Colin Cowherd Interview with Urban

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TkeBuck's picture

i bet urban knew how this was going to play out.

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stuckupnorth's picture

I wish he would have put him in a year earlier. Could have won a title

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BrewstersMillions's picture

Or he was rushed and really benefited from an extra year behind JT. He could have been great. He could have sucked. What we know is what we know.

Poor Barrett man, the guy won almost every game he played in and he's still catching arrows from OSU fans.

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stuckupnorth's picture

Will continue to point to any teams with a pulse. Look up USC,Michigan, Oklahoma second time especially in first half when it was still a game, Clemson, Wisconsin. Dude is not the reason they won. They won in spite.Any QB could have won the same games. OSU can beat 90% of teams with any QB. They are far and away more talented than most teams. We can debate till we are blue in the face. JT was an average QB. The records are over inflated in an offense driven time period. He also benefited from out talenting  at ever position. Don’t believe look at all of Urbans QBs. Look at all of their seasons. JTs will be the same if not a little worse than any average year of any of them. There is a reason Haskins is a first rounder and JT is at best practice squad. The whole youth thing is an excuse. Saban with two different freshman or red shirt freshman have dominated as has Clemson and Georgia.People eat up the He wasn’t ready. Against Michigan with his back against the wall Haskins proved he was better. JT had about 100 yards of offense through 2.5 quarters. Haskins did that in two drives. The offense looked way better as well.  Opposing Coaches laughed at JT, they knew he couldn’t beat them. The playoff committee had no faith in a JT led offense either. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

OSU can beat 90% of teams with any QB.

Like when Haskins set the single game passing record against Purdue in 2018?

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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stuckupnorth's picture

I’m talking about beating teams. The passing record has zero to do with the conversation. If we do want to look at stats. Haskins proves he was no one game one hit wonder. Again the point about setting record against Purdue has zero to do with the conversation. Not sure why you even brought that up. If stats are the basis of your statement please post JT stats against the big boys. Then look up Haskins. Look at Haskins worse game and look at JT last year best game. That will be a starting point

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McGrind's picture

Stuck up north stuck on the truth. Starting a one legged JT over SIMBA in the BIg Championship not a GOAT coaching move. Like the dude on jeopardy got to know when to wager a little to win a lot. 

Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

We couldve beaten Wisconsin with Haskins 59-0 again and the CFPC wouldve still kept us out for the Iowa game. Stuckupnorths expectations not being met are his fucking problem

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stuckupnorth's picture

Calm down. Internet tough guy. I don’t get so worked up over somebody else different take that I start cussing. You got issues. I find it fascinating when people act tough on the Internet. Many commentators said that they had no confidence in a JT led offense. They saw what happened last time a benefit of the doubt was given. Clemson blanked them. Dabo laughed at them before the game said basically JT couldn’t beat them. Indiana said the aroundd the same thing . While OSU won Indiana was not scared of JT. So stop acting bigger than what you actually are and calm down

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stuckupnorth's picture

Man these guys idolize jT so much that they will never accept truth. It’s like saying Peyton Manning led the broncos to the super bowl win. He didn’t. No matter what you say JT was better than Haskins. No matter showing them that defenses had their best games of the season against OSU, it doesn’t matter. When you have an idol you defend it at all cost

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The Rill Dill's picture

Urban telling everyone how great Haskins is....now. If he would’ve tooted that horn during the season, Haskins would’ve won the Heisman.  Urban did him wrong. I can’t stand him for reasons like this. Glad he’s gone.

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

And yet here we are still stuck with you.

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The Rill Dill's picture

Some people don’t like the truth.

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ScarletnGreyTexan's picture

I'll concede that JT didn't have an arm you drool over nor was he the best marksmen...What JT had/has are intangibles you CANNOT teach and it is because of those leadership qualities and being the voice of the team that we won. You can't say we would have won with any QB, you have no idea the effect that persons personality would have had on the team. You need ONE voice in a huddle and JT was that.  I kind of get tired of people knocking JT because he wasn't sexy. the man was a Gawd damn leader and knew how to get the team ready, calm and firing on all cylinders.  

"it matters not how strait the gate, How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul.
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Extramedium's picture

Except when we had to play a team with equal or slight better talent than ours.  Then we were definitely NOT ready, and usually embarrassed.

I love JT and think he's a great guy and team leader.  But Haskins was a much better QB and the team suffered because he wasn't on the field until last season.

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awlinBrutus's picture

I'm with ya SUN,

I still shake my head thinking "how in the world (after leading osu from behind on the road in a2 no less) did Meyer start a injured JT over a healthy Dwayne Haskin's "?

ScarletGrey, its nothing personnel against JT. He just couldn't pull the trigger quick enough, which is why a lot of great college QB's wash out in the NFL. Haskins should have started the Big 10 championship game in 2017, imo.

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DroneBuck's picture

“Barrett won almost every game”?

you mean except for the 6 he lost? LOL! 

Urban era OSU went 85-9.... JTB lost two thirds of those games.

Braxton, Guiton, Cardale & Haskins went a combined 51-3... while Barrett went 34-6... but hey, ignore the facts and keep the distortion alive about JTB being the ultimate winner for tOSU!!!

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Barrett also beat PSU twice, MSU, USC, UM, etc. 

Barrett didn’t lose 6 games on his own. Anyone who thinks so has never played a team sport. He doesn’t play defense. He doesn’t catch his own passes. He doesn’t block for himself. He didn’t get his kick blocked at Penn State. 

You're the one who’s distorting facts. 

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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stuckupnorth's picture

The Oklahoma team he beat was sorry and got ran like a bus stop. The next year when they were better he did nothing( look up quarter by quarter before you post his stats any numbers he put up was when the game was in hand. The same with Michigan they were so sorry when he ran the ball against them. The next year he had about 100 yards through 2.5 quarters. Haskins came in and led team. Look up USC, Wisconsin, MSU, Clemson,MSU. Dude didnt do anything. Dabo Swinney laughed when they found out OSU was gonna play them. He essentially said JT can’t throw. The playoff committee and analysts said repeatedly that they had no confidence in that offense. As I said I. Another post. Present JTs stats against bigger schools. No one ever does.Instead they live of big ten records which are inflated. He had a couple good games in his career. A couple but hardly the reason for success. Post his numbers please. I get tired of typing them out.Ive done the research. I’ve xompared common opponents. I’ve look at what he did against USC then I looked at what every school did against USC that year. JT was at the bottom. Same as Clemson same as Oklahoma same as Iowa’s same as Michigan. So please validate your reasoning 

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Beantown_Buckeye's picture

The 2016 Oklahoma team went undefeated after the OSU game with Baker Mayfield finishing 3rd in the Heisman voting. They went on to beat 5 ranked teams and didn't let up more than 28 points in a game in their final 6 games, 4 of which were against ranked teams. They finished 3rd in the coaches poll and 5th in the AP poll. That was a really good football team. JT wasn't perfect but he won a lot of games and certainly wasn't the only culprit in some of the games they did lose. 

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Extramedium's picture

The point isn't that JT personally lost the games we lost.  The point is we most likely could have overcome the shortfalls that caused us to lose if we had a guy like Haskins running the offense instead.

Of course it's a team sport and there are uncountable millions of variables that affect every game.  But when  our offense is constantly struggling to move the ball because the entire planet knows what play we're calling, and we're scraping for every point we can squeeze out of every empty backfield QB draw, we're not going to beat anyone with any kind of talent.

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WorthyBuck's picture

JT Barrett was very average and was the biggest reason his teams fell flat against elite teams.  You cannot be a nationally elite team if you have a QB that cannot throw.  He was a terrible passer and everyone knew it.  

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JCam061588's picture

“Very average” QBs don’t accomplish what JT accomplished....

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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Extramedium's picture

They do on teams filled with future NFL talent and excellent coordinators.  

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allinosu's picture

McElroy from Alabama is a good example of that.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

For an “average” QB, he still holds three of the top 10 passing season at Ohio State. All three of them are better then Troy Smith’s Heisman winning season and two are better than Pryor in 2010. 

What does that say about Smith and Pryor?

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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buckeyenut74's picture

Maybe I’m nuts, I appreciate everything several of the quarterbacks Ohio State has had over the years. They all bring something different to the table, but they were successful. Some more than others, but we have had some very good Buckeye players over the years. 

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Extramedium's picture

I think most anyone who's watched at least SOME football in their lifetime would realize it says much more about the offensive philosophy and style of game that Tressel called vs Meyer.  It's been pretty widely claimed that if Pryor played for Urban, he'd have a Heisman of his own.  That's pure speculation of course, but it just shows how ridiculous it is to compare what Smith and Pryor accomplished to JT.  and that's not even mentioning the rest of the team's talent level.

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stxbuck's picture

Do you, personally, think a RS-frosh Haskins would have given tOSU a better-and more potent offense in 17' than JT Barrett? It's a yes or no question. Many of us on here think yes. the ones who think no are reluctant to state that unequivocably.

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awlinBrutus's picture

Yes he showed everyone in a2 hiw much better our offense would have been had Meyer taken the perfect opportunity to platoon Haskin's with JT to preparing him to be the starter by the end of the year. Can't say JT needed reps or platooning would screw up the snap count(OSU's center calls the cadence). Which are the two main issues switching QB's you hear from coaches. Our offense looked better with Haskin's immediately. The worst part is a torn meniscus wasn't even enough for Haskin's to start against Wisconsin. Simply unbelievable. Sorry Urbs, you blew it again. Warinner as an OC was The other blunder that cost us a national championship.

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yankeescum's picture

I was looking at that list of QB's, and it reminded me of some funny shit last season.  

I was catching a couple of minutes of Joey Burrow playing for LSU, and my nine year old daughter walked in.  She noticed it wasn't Ohio State, which led to a pretty hysterical conversation. 

"Hey, that isn't the Buckeyes."

I say:  "I know, but this kid played quarterback for them, and transferred, and I just wanted to see how he's holding up."

She asks "Which one?"  

So I tell her what his number is, and she is squinting at the screen, like she can't find him, so I get off the couch and point him out, and she's looking at me funny, so I ask: "What's up?"  

"I just didn't know white guys could play quarterback."  

Kids are the shit.  

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Guts's picture

“Boys, these guys are in trouble,” Swinney said. "I'm going through the whole league, both sides. These guys are in trouble. And that's exactly what happened."

Dabo summing up an OSU JT Barrett led offense. If you watched that game along with Oklahoma, Iowa, Purdue, 3/4 vs 2017 UM, and against any team with a pulse, and you still believe that JT was the best option we had, you're an absolute homer and on some level it must hurt you to criticize Ohio State players based on their gameplay. Plain and simple. You wear Scarlet and Grey blinders if you think JT Barrett was anything more than a mediocre QB that benefited greatly from playing  in an Urban Meyer offense.

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awlinBrutus's picture

StuckUp, you are brave man publicly stating an opinion that as ignorant as it is to brand you as just another JT hater. Which is unfair. I'll be forever grateful for Urban Meyer laying the groundwork @ OSU for it's sustainable success. Having said that, Coach Meyer's 7 years @ OSU wasn't without questionable decisions.

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kmp10's picture

I am so sick and tired of people who are supposed to know what they're talking about saying that Meyer "turned around" Ohio State. It's simply not true. Tressel's decade was elite. Fickell had the interim tag for eight months and 2011 was a throw away season. Meyer's great, and there is no doubt there, but he did not build Ohio State. It was built about eight decades prior to Meyer arriving. He did his part and kept the train rolling, but Urban Meyer did not put Ohio State back on the map, because it was never off the map. 

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LCT's picture

Ohio State did as much for Urban as he did for Ohio State, to your point. It was a good partnership.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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High St Heismans's picture

LCT 1

Ohio State did as much for Urban as he did for Ohio State, to your point. It was a good partnership.

Lambastes

Coaching

Tales

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The Rill Dill's picture

Tressel did more, was a better man and a better coach. 

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DefendYoungstown's picture

Tressel #1, #madeosugreatagain

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

The 2006 BCS National Championship Game begs to differ. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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yankeescum's picture

Yo, I am not an Urban hater, and I really appreciate the things that he has done for these young men on and off the field, but in ten years, Tressel won a national championship while playing for three, while in seven years, Meyer won one and played for two, in a format that was easier to get into.  If Meyer was in the BCS, under the same rules as Tressel, he would not have played for any.  

Tressel is the most underrated coach at a big time program in the history of the sport.  Underneath the vest and the "Aw shucks" veneer is a straight up badass sexual tyrannosaurus of an american winning machine.  The idea that Ohio State was some regional backwater program when Urban arrived is absurd.  Tressel averaged the highest end of season poll position in the nation in the ten years that he coached.  It could be argued that he was the best coach in the country during his tenure, and I don't know if you can make that argument for Meyer.  

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SilverState's picture

Underneath the vest and the "Aw shucks" veneer is a straight up badass sexual tyrannosaurus of an american winning machine. 

Might be my favorite comment ever

"Year for what?"

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LCT's picture

It was a good/terrible one.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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crusher's picture

That quote should be on a statue of JT outside of The Shoe.

Don't listen to Freddy P. Soft

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CALPOPPY's picture

while in seven years, Meyer won one and played for two, in a format that was easier to get into.

Look, I loved Tressel, but you make a lot of leaps in your reasoning. I also think that it’s reasonable to argue that Tressel was a better OSU coach (although I personally would take Meyer).

How is it easier to make it to the title game now?

Meyer only had 6 seasons to try to get to the title game, as he couldn’t participate his first year, which was beyond his control [And he would have likely been in the game that year over Alabama and playing Notre Dame.]

So, while I like Tressel, I dont think that it’s cut and dry that he’s a better coach, and it’s almost impossible to compare the two because the league changed so much. For instance, Meyer gets slammed for not winning the B1G title as much, but Tressel was credited for tying for winning the conference in years where he lost to the co-champ. And that would now not be considered as winning the conference. You really can not compare them equally.

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yankeescum's picture

I don't know if Tressel is a better coach, and that wasn't what I was trying to imply (although I would much rather have a beer with him).  I just think he gets shit on as though he was some kindly old geezer that just happened to step into winning some games, while Meyer has the reputation as having significantly improved Ohio State football from where Tressel had it.  

There were teams that were more dominant for a year or two while Tressel coached, but during his tenure, Ohio State was the most consistently dominant program in the nation, with an average end of season ranking higher than Miami, USC, Texas, Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma, Florida, Georgia, or any other name that you can throw out there.  The guy was the coach of the decade, and people act like he was Larry Coker.  

They allow four teams to play for the championship now, when Tressel did it, they only allowed two, and in the two times that Meyer went to the playoffs, we were never seeded in the top two.  The conference championship thing is totally apples to oranges, I agree that you can't compare them, and I don't.  

I was born in '80, and the first twenty years of my life had some pretty miserable November days.  I remember when it seemed like michigan could have said "Who has it better than us?" and it might have made sense.  Every fucking disaster against michigan is a memory from my childhood.  Tressel changed that, with the most dominant run that we have ever enjoyed.  The guy is my hero.  My kids get to grow up and enjoy these Novembers, and they have Jim Tressel to thank for it.  Meyer is a hell of a coach, an absolute hall of famer, but he continued what Tressel started, and I don't think that gets acknowledged enough.  

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High St Heismans's picture

CALPOPPY MOD 

Look, I loved Tressel, but you make a lot of leaps in your reasoning. I also think that it’s reasonable to argue that Tressel was a better OSU coach (although I personally would take Meyer).

I'm kind of split.IMO The Vest was a better Xs & Os/technique/mechanics/fundamentals guy.Urbs delegated those and could motivate & recruit like a MOFO

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cmented36's picture

Tress was easily the better "Coach" while Meyer was easily the better "Recruiter"...typically when Meyer lost he had more talent than the competition and was out coached. When Tress lost they were typically over matched. Obviously there are some outliers for both. Either way both lost at extremely low rates compared to 99% of the other programs in the country. Not to mention Tress put Michigan football in a grave and Meyer held it there. 

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gumtape's picture

Tress would have been the best ever if he dumped bollman.

High and tight boo boo

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crusher's picture

Tressel is the destroyer of programs. Because of JT Miami and Michigan have been irrelevant for almost 15 years. 

Don't listen to Freddy P. Soft

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Yo, I am not an Urban hater, and I really appreciate the things that he has done for these young men on and off the field, but in ten years, Tressel won a national championship while playing for three, while in seven years, Meyer won one and played for two, in a format that was easier to get into.  If Meyer was in the BCS, under the same rules as Tressel, he would not have played for any.  

Meyer played in and won two BCS National Championships during the same era as Tressell and won both of them. And one of them was head to head.

It could be argued that he was the best coach in the country during his tenure, and I don't know if you can make that argument for Meyer.  

Meyer had the highest winning percentage of active coaches during his tenure. And he's the only coach to win NCs in two different conferences. You can definitely make the argument that he was the best coach in the country during his tenure.

They are both outstanding coaches; two of the best in the game. But, putting them head to head, I have to go with Meyer. More NC's and the head-to-head win in the NCG.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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yankeescum's picture

We are comparing Ohio State resumes.  I am with you that Meyer is a hall of famer, but what did he do at Ohio State that Tressel didn't?  The guy  recruited nationally better, and is a great game day motivator, but he didn't perform any better with the keys to the best program in the damn land.

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Evannati's picture

Tressel beat an invincible Miami team.  Urban destroyed the myth of SEC superiority.  Why are we arguing??

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PRO8's picture

When did Meyer play for a 2nd NC while at tOSU? He got to the CFP but only played in one NC game. 

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The Rill Dill's picture

How many did he fail to get to with loaded NFL rosters?

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I specified in the same era as Tressel. Meyer played for and won two at UF. Played for and won one at OSU. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Guts's picture

You should have capitalized the S in Scum in your username.

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Evannati's picture

Greatest job interview of all-time!

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stxbuck's picture

The fact that Tressel even GOT the 06' team into the NC game is amazing. Very, very average OL and DL, and a secondary held together by Malcolm Jenkins and duct tape. Troy Smith could sling the ball around like nobody's business, to one of the best WR corps in tOSU history, but the rest of that team had serious deficiencies that pretty much everyone-including myself-kinda just didn't talk about while we were enjoying the ride.

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seyekcuB's picture

You must enjoy listening to politicians speak. That guy could hold an hour long presser and say alot but youd learn very little and so forth.

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stxbuck's picture

Tressel was like that with the post-game media. If you hear him speak in person-either individually or to an audience, he is one of the smartest and most insightful people you will ever have the pleasure of encountering.

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buckeyenut74's picture

Loved Tressel, but he didn’t go undefeated in The Game. Pretty big deal to think of Meyer winning every game. 

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stxbuck's picture

18DVs for supporting Tressel-doesn't say much about the readership of this site!

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Buckabroad's picture

I do think that Coach Meyer saved Ohio State from a longer building phase. Instead of going through transition pains under another Coach for several years, Ohio State was winning a national Championship with a third string QB under Meyer. For my part at least, my reverence of Coach Meyer remains undiminished. 

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

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2morrow's picture

Think UFM is a great coach (but I do think OSU got UFM 2.0) - but we won a NC in 2014 in spite of him. JT gets hurt late and there was no time to muck it up - had to go with CJ and his strengths and not try to impose the JT offense on him. You will never convince me otherwise. CJ added another dimension to the offense and as a result, Zeke became a monster and WI, AL, and OR could not defend both.

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Buckabroad's picture

I cannot disagree with you on this point, 2. Had JT been healthy, Meyer would have ridden him into the B1G CG and perhaps won, but not by the margin needed to make the playoff. If JT plays against Bama, in my opinion at least, we have no chance of winning that game. I personally also think the Clemson blowout and delay in installing Haskins in part also were coaching flaws on Meyer's part. Still, Meyer's coaching acumen to me is outstanding and the culture he installed still resonates with prospective recruits. 

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

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High St Heismans's picture

Buckabroad 19 APR 2019, 4:32 PM 

Ohio State was winning a national Championship with a third string QB under Meyer.

That the Vest recruited ;-b

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Bravo. I didn’t go there last night but...[tips hat]. 

“For me, this is who we are. We have a culture. We work at it very hard. And we’re efficient at it.” - Coach Day

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Knarcisi's picture

You know no would have loved JT Barrett even more than Urban Meyer?  Jim Tressel. I just blew your fucking minds. Continue argument. 

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AKBuck15's picture

Dude you’re right...holy hell could you imagine Tressel ball with JT leading the way. He would’ve run it 30 times a game after we went up by 10 in the second quarter. 

I am a Michigan booster bud....just spent $182 bucks at Wal-Mart this morning.

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Atl_Buckeye72's picture

Completely agree!!  He definitely raised the bar and took recruiting to a new level but I don't think we were in the toilet when he arrived.

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Beaver's picture

What do you call 6 and 7? That is the toilet to most OSU fans.

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BuckeyeBulldog's picture

Because we had a first time head coach thrown in to a job he knew would never be truly his. Ineptitude all across the board with assistant coaches, and several starting players lost for half to 3/4 of the season.
Had Meyer or Tressel been the coach in 2011 we are 10-2 easily.

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AKBuck15's picture

To most Michigan fans that is a nice lil winnable bowl game

I am a Michigan booster bud....just spent $182 bucks at Wal-Mart this morning.

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Kentuckeye51's picture

While you are correct, I cannot upvote because you are using foul language You can use the alternatives TTUN, Meat Chicken, Xichigan, or even Bitchigan, but the m-word shall not be tolerated. Thank you for your understanding. (/s but only partially)

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AKBuck15's picture

Lol true I used the M word with winnable and bowl game in the same context...point taken lol

I am a Michigan booster bud....just spent $182 bucks at Wal-Mart this morning.

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The Rill Dill's picture

If we’re going to recruiting, one could easily argue that John Cooper was the best.

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AKBuck15's picture

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I am a Michigan booster bud....just spent $182 bucks at Wal-Mart this morning.

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stuckupnorth's picture

Right on KMp. Tressel has the train rolling. Dude owned Michigan and played in three national titles. Dominated bowl games. I did not appreciate Tressel and loved the swag of Urban. In retrospect Tressel was a monster who was a great game day coach. He could not recruit like Urban but still held his own.Once Saturday came Tressel was a destroyer.

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Well Tressel’s approach was different, definitely. He believed in putting a wall around Ohio and Urban was “national”. That said I believe Tressel did more w less. A well documented Tressel guy I am, so sure - you can call bias. But I think there’s something to be said for the Ohio kids in recent years, that went to say Iowa and Purdue because tOSU didn’t offer them [clears throat]. Tressel came here to beat *ichigan and bring another title - to which he did. He also welcomed OSU alumni players back w open arms, while Urban was pretty much the opposite. 

“For me, this is who we are. We have a culture. We work at it very hard. And we’re efficient at it.” - Coach Day

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stuckupnorth's picture

I like Urbans approach to recruiting. However I think your right Tressel did more with less. That said Tressel brought in some ball players as well.I’m not a recruit Ohio type of guy. I think you go get the best u can Ohio  or China. Urban relied on out talenting people and Tressel Komodo dragon slow kill you while watching. Now that I reflect back Tressel was the man. It is also a shame OSU didn’t get the cold blooded Meyer from Florida but a toned down version. Both were great for the program. That said Urban did not save the titanic 

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AKBuck15's picture

I definitely loved Tressel, and Urban when he arrived as well sort of kick started the recruiting to a more national perspective. 

At the time of both of their hiring they were the perfect fit for the program. Hence I feel Day at this time is perfect style wise, I see him as a bit of Tressel on game planning and the state of Ohio and Urban as well with recruiting nationally as well. The spring game bringing the NFL players in and making it an event I feel Day was what we needed at this time. He reminds me a bit of Urban in his Florida years, with the drive and ability to make the tough decisions without being blinded by loyalty. I’m excited for the new errands. 

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Stuck - All fair and all good points. Bottom line 2 great coaches, both great for the program...and more importantly just what the program needed when they each came in. To me, Tressel is the man. And yet urban established a culture here like never before.

“For me, this is who we are. We have a culture. We work at it very hard. And we’re efficient at it.” - Coach Day

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The Rill Dill's picture

Biggest myth in history: Urban was cold blooded at Florida. 

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btalbert25's picture

Mostly agree, though I don't think another coach leads the 2012 team to a 12-0 record. 

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ISURVIVEDCOOPER's picture

Interesting thought... what if Urban came on and took over after Cooper and Tressel took over after Urban? Can't say I agree with your statement based on that unanswerable question. That said, I prefer Urban's style of football any day and all day over what we had with Tressel despite the records, because it was freakin' frustrating as HELL to watch Tresselball.

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JCam061588's picture

It doesn’t have to be one or the other. Both are true, OSU was blue blood long before Urban. It’s also undeniable that Tattgate had left the program in shambles & in an single season Urban completely turned the program around & dominated the conference on a level Tress never did as much as we all love the man.

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

Too bad Cowherd don't have the nuts to drop one of his hot takes with everyone in the room. Be nice to see him get Jim Romed.

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My Dad Is A Wolverine But I'm A Buckeye's picture

I actually really enjoyed this. Always loved "When I needed you the most, you gave me your very best."

Number 1 rule in life: always beat That Team Up North. 

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Atl_Buckeye72's picture

His worse bowl loss was in 2007??????  Whaaaat? Some one seems to have forgotten about getting our heads pounded in 2016!

This was not a interview, it was a commercial for the new Fox team. We all know that Cowherd has some more pointed questions that he would love to ask Meyer over these softballs.

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buckeyeEddie27's picture

He still says we and us and our.

Damn right. (I know he's an employee of the university still, but most casual observers might not know or care to know)

I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.

I Believe In Ohio State.

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Knarcisi's picture

Hot take. I think Urban coaches here again after Day. 

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buckeyeEddie27's picture

I gotta say, the unprecedented move, the knight in shining armor, the call to the bullpen, the return of the King (and on and on and on) might just appeal to the guy. Urban is a confident (maybe egotistical?) man and this would be hard to for that side of him to say no to.

I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.

I Believe In Ohio State.

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Knarcisi's picture

Sure, it seems natural that he stays employed by the university but he could have done the Fox gig and a ton of other things. He likes developing young people.  And I think he knows Day is a short timer. If he can get his stress levels and his cyst in check, there might be a chance. If there is any chance at all, it’s at Ohio St. 

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Unfortunately, the cyst is permanent.  Its located in area of the brain that precludes surgery.  He's not coaching again.

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lamplighter's picture

I have learned to never say never. 

Cue Barry Alvarez

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AKBuck15's picture

I’ve heard people say this before as well, in my mind I cannot see it. If it does how do you see it playing out? For me I could see if Day does really well and heads to the NFL. As I don’t see Urban wanting to come in a rebuild situation at all. 

As KMP said we weren’t off the map when he took over, was the perfect storm for him and us. But I guess just want to know what/why you’d see Urban back again.

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Knarcisi's picture

Like I said, hot take and I think it’s a 10% chance or less. Biggest thing to me is the fire that burns within him. He couldn’t stay away once. And frankly, he’s not that old. 

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AKBuck15's picture

Definitely agree with you on the fire with in he has, anything is possible and as you say his age. Still fairly young, since the end of the season and this interview he looks like it took five years back off. He looks much healthier than 4 months ago. 

I think the situation would have to be near perfect I’d say but definitely agree with your points. 

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SilverState's picture

I think there's a higher chance than most people believe. 

"Year for what?"

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Been theorizing that since the transition.  Day’s here for 5 and then goes to the NFL. Urban comes back.

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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George Hennen's picture

Urban will be coaching the USC Trojans in 2020. Him and chip Kelly will bring college football back to LA. 

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NHBuckeye's picture

Respectfully disagree.  I think it’s OSU or nothing at all as far as coaching goes.  He’s got grandkids now that he adores, I just can’t see him moving to CA.  

Fields of Dreams

 

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George Hennen's picture

I think the only programs Urban would even consider leaving Ohio for would be USC and Notre Dame. I could see it happening because it would be another chance to revive a former powerhouse. He would be insane on the recruiting trail out there. It would be another thing to cross off his bucket list IMO. An all star coach like him would fit in well in LA.  If he could bring USC back and win a championship I think he could be in discussion for all time best coach because he won with 3 different programs that are completely different. Or I could just be over speculating haha. 

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Atl_Buckeye72's picture

Completely agree with this. The Pac-12 is a dumpster fire right now with a lot of talent in the region. Even worse than the state of the B1G when he came here. He should be able to go there and run train on that conference with his ability to recruit. The other place I've thought about is Florida St. (assuming Tagart can't get thing corrected in a big hurry). I think this would be a more difficult journey considering that he would share the same side of the ACC with Clemson (he would assume the Harbaugh role in this scenario) as well as a lot more competition for the local recruiting talent.

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Swaggy's picture

I don’t think that Urban would ever return to Ohio State and I personally wouldn’t be too excited if that were to happen. Ryan Day is a stud and is going to elevate Ohio State to the next level especially on the offensive side of the ball. 

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Guts's picture

I too share this belief. But I think he only coaches again if Ohio State is in a position where Day leaves unexpectedly (it's possible) and cannot find a suitable alternative (also, very possible).

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High St Heismans's picture

Knarcisi  

Hot take. I think Urban coaches here again after Day. 

Put that thing out you'll burn your fingers!

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Knarcisi's picture

Burns like hell when you’re holding one in each hand. I’ve got people up in arms in another thread where I stated that I think Pete Werner will be a good player here.

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High St Heismans's picture

That's just crazy talk but here's hoping you're right

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

@ Knar...[chuckle]. I’m inclined to lay a lot of blame at Billy’s feet but by default Urban’s too. Meyer gloated and waxed on about Werner like nobody’s biz. I certainly don’t want the kid to fail. I’m just hoping we’ll see a change w the coaching....and by extension mucho improvement. 

“For me, this is who we are. We have a culture. We work at it very hard. And we’re efficient at it.” - Coach Day

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napbuck's picture

I’m right there with you knarcisi, I think Day is gonna move on to the NFL in a few years and Urban will be right back in the head coach seat at OSU.

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DefendYoungstown's picture

Urban will NEVER be back at tOSU again, the university made him look really bad with the suspension.  He will do everything in his power when at USC to make tOSU his b#tch on the gridiron.  Mark my words...

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Well I’d supplant “Drake” for your “university”. Drake cowered to Abigail Wexner specifically, and issued the suspension as a motion to pacify her. If Drake is gone in a couple years....never know. 

Funny and unrelated, I walk into Colla’s on Market St the other day for a haircut and Bo Pelini is getting his ear’s lowered...and holding court. Meh. I told a friend later “if that was Tressel, I’d been as giddy as a 12 year girl at a Taylor Swift concert.”

“For me, this is who we are. We have a culture. We work at it very hard. And we’re efficient at it.” - Coach Day

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Byaaaahhh's picture

Urban loves OSU more than you do. 

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DefendYoungstown's picture

I'll accept double digit dvs for my post.  I called urban being done at tOSU back in September, I am calling him to usc and doing everything in his power to give back to tOSU for what the university did to stain his reputation (suspension).  

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

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buckeyenut74's picture

Urban looking good there. Looks healthy

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Earthoid.'s picture

That's a good lookin crew...

A gentle reminder to BE NICE. Plays guitar and makes iced tea in the winter.

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Sims_tOSU's picture

Love urban. But if I’m being honest I think urban was elite in coaching with motivation, recruiting. But I think his offenses, though they put numbers up, kind of sucked. We should’ve been much better than we even were and that’s craxy bc we were so good. 

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btalbert25's picture

I think there are a couple of things at play with the offense.  First, the dude has 3 national titles.  It's kind of hard to convince a guy with that much hardware that his way isn't working.  Second, I think he's loyal to players to a fault.  Nick Saban ripped a player out of the national title game for a true freshman.  He wasn't worried about the relationship with Hurts, what it would do in the locker room, or anything else for that matter.  Urban would never do that.  

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Urban 2.0   Tressel was elated if he won by a FG. It was his style. However, [younger] Urban seemingly would want to beat down opponents, winning 70-0 and leaving no doubt. We didn’t get that version. No question his recruiting and motivation of players was unparalleled - but did he still have that killer instinct?

“For me, this is who we are. We have a culture. We work at it very hard. And we’re efficient at it.” - Coach Day

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lamplighter's picture

could have gone for 70 last November - would have been great

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Funny Denver....urban also laid an egg v Clemson, so....there’s that. 

“For me, this is who we are. We have a culture. We work at it very hard. And we’re efficient at it.” - Coach Day

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

I still don't like Stephen A but if you missed it Dwayne appeared on 1st take this morning. Stephen A apologized to Dwayne for" being an ignorant fool".

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colo_buckeye's picture

Nice post thanks Ben.  I still love Urban and think he was one of my favorite coaches.   Of course, I grew up in BG while he was there.

God > Family > Buckeyes football

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OSU56's picture

Agree on Urban. Hope he enjoys life going forward and takes it easy. I know that will be hard for him to do.

Enjoying daily the back to back ttun beatdowns.

 

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tampatom's picture

You have to take the good with the bad with Urban. He built great teams and recruited well, but he played his favorites over talent and 2015 was a failure with the talent we had. The two losses to Iowa and Purdue by blowouts would not happen with Tres or Woody, so overall time will tell how he is compared to other greats at OSU.

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RoyWalley's picture

You must be young, Iowa in 2004 beat OSU under Tressel 33-7, he also got beat badly in 2 national championship games!  2008 Tressel got beat badly by USC 38-3.  Woody was only 6-6 in bowl games, how do you think that would go over in today’s world 

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soldierdad's picture

“how do you think that would go over in today’s world”

Check MGO blog.

The soldier is my son.  The school I gone to didn’t teach much grammar.  

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Wishbone5's picture

I like Urban's take on the "immeasurables" of football players: In rvalry games what is he like against our rival; what is he like on 4th down?

BTW look at that massive championship ring on his right hand!!

Looking forward to seeing Urban as commentator on TV this upcoming season.

wb5

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mizzer's picture

The king is dead semi-retired.  Long live the king!

Don’t know about y’all but man have I enjoyed tOSU football under Tressel and Meyer!

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btalbert25's picture

I think Urban will coach again and I also think the medical problems stuff is a little over blown.  I truly believe that once he received the suspension, he decided he was gone.  He was totally disengaged after that.  Then the "health issues" started up.  He'll coach again, he'll be "balanced" again, he'll win another title, then some shit will hit the fan, and that cyst is going to flare up again. 

I really like Urban Meyer and believe the guy is a great coach.  I also think he's a drama queen. 

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cledaybuck's picture

Were you watching this past season? Because Meyer looked anything but disengaged.

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Bigmarty's picture

The unjust suspension did a lot of damage to Urban physically and emotionally.  And to the team as well as it was in catch up stage all year long.  Sometimes the mental is to the physical as 10 is to one.  Had that bullshit not occurred IMHO UFM is still the head coach.  Because of that I for one can't be certain Urban won't coach again but IMHO, it won't be at OSU if he does.

We were so fortunate to have both of them and if Teddy Ginn doesn't go down on the opening kick off who knows.

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ZeroDimension's picture

I’m sure it was just coach speak when he said it, or At least I hope it was.  But after last spring he said he was agonizing over which qb to play.  Haskins or Martel.  

Spin it how you want.  Urban had some blind spots.  Just like everyone else.  He just has less imho.  

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countrybuckeye's picture

I think I’ll flag this thread for review and use when things ain’t so ‘perfect’ for this year’s QB. 

some on here are miserable for a reason 

“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”

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stitch's picture

Urban will be coaching the USC Trojans in 2020. Sounds cool!... looking like its gonna be on the top list

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