Brutal! Let’s pray for an injury free season. No heavy doses of QB draws.
For real. Welcome to the post-Urban era.
Buckshots... always there for you if you missed the news last month
To be real. It started IN the urban era.
This is not a good look for both the coaching staff and the immediate future of OSU. Idk what's going on behind closed doors or what's being said to who in the QB room but coach Day needs to adjust and adjust quickly..
well, if were me, i would have left. i'd get sick of hearing the media say that it's fields job to lose. and, i think baldwin figured out Day saying there was a competition was just lip service and he had no chance at starting - i don't like that type of situation. i think competition for the starting spot is better than giving the job to someone. well, Day, the media, and many of the fans got what they wanted - we'll see if fields works out.
I honestly think it's just a signal of what the future will look like for elite programs. If it's an open market every year, schools like Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, Georgia and Oklahoma are going to have no problem getting the best available player. But they're also going to have a hell of a time trying to keep the players on their roster who end up behind that best available player.
I think the timing can work out in some cases (for example, Jack Miller probably isn't coming in with the expectation of beating out Justin Fields), but I think in general, you can expect the elite programs to always have an absolutely elite quarterback with essentially nobody behind him.
i think the jury is still out on fields being "elite". a five star rating doesn't beat michigan in november. as a fan, i hope he works out and the bucks have a great season - but he has to produce.
Basing your opinion off a meaningless spring game wont make you step off the ledge either, 64.
"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine
you must not have read my comment correctly -where in my comment did mention the spring game? that means nothing to me - it's just a fun thing for the fans. my opinion of fields is based on the stories out of georgia about fields trouble learning the offense and reading defenses.
Do you honestly expect the Georgia faithful to have anything good to say about Fields? Fromm is a game manager and from watching Georgia several times last year, that's the best description I can think of for Georgia's style of offense. I agree with STAFF, it's the way it is in the era of free-agency. Every quarterback wants to be a starter for an elite team up till, but no later than they're first eligible for the draft. I'm not sure why Baldwin is bolting, but after reading his statement it sounds like it was more personal than anything else.
Never place a bet on anything that can talk.
jmeadows, the stories that i'm referring to were being written LONG BEFORE fields decided to transfer.
That's fair, but I guess I just meant sought-after, the same way the top quarterback is out of high school. He was pretty much unanimously considered the best available quarterback on the transfer market, and he was obviously going to go to an elite school (like Ohio State). That's all I really meant.
If you're right (and I think you are), then high school QB evaluations are going to be ultra-critical because picking the wrong QB is going to wreck at least one full year, if not two.
I mean, let's imagine Fields doesn't match what we're all hoping - I don't think this'll happen, but let's just play the scenario out: If Fields is average or can't stay healthy or whatever, that obviously means 2019 is a shaky year because we're relying on Fields AND it likely also puts 2020 on shaky footing unless Jack Miller gets ready quickly as a true freshman.
In this wide-open scenario, I would think Ohio State would add the best available transfer quarterback after this season if Fields turned out to be bad, in which case Miller then might transfer (depending on said incoming transfer's eligibility).
after how this has turned out, i'd be shocked if Day did that and risked losing miller.
College football 2019: Where if you are a really good starter you leave early for the draft, and if you are a decent backup then you leave early to go to a different school. Lots of moves being made
New generation: start me or I'm leaving. I know I'm old, but it will take some time for me to get used to this.
You're not alone, friend.
Not bashing these kids for following their desire to change, but it's hard not to wonder where is the team-first ideal anymore?
I know in my heart Ohio State will be ok - like there haven't been offseason QB issues before - but this will take some time getting used to.
I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...
It looks like the new elite landscape is, recruit the best QB that fits your system every year and run a two QB system where the offense doesn't change much if at all and get the guys to realize it's better to not take all the hits and save the body for the NFL. We see it in other football positions and other sports why not football why not QB?
Can't blame a kid for wanting to play, but this is the new normal and it sucks.
this transfer thing is a precarious bargain - bring in a 5 star kid sounds great ......till both of the qbs that have been with your program for a year leave because of it. fields is talented and it could work out - but i do see why someone would leave when their coach brings in a guy who everyone was saying will start for team he hasn't practiced with once.
And who would think if we didn't bring in Fields that both the QBs would stay around. In that case we are at one QB on the team and I will take Fields over Martel and Baldwin as the only QB on the team.
The coaching staff will add another QB, most likely from the transfer portal. All will work out. Keep the faith! Go Bucks!
Weird: I keep reading that all these transfers are Ryan Day's fault, but there's no mention of that in the article.
Just an oversight I guess.
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
You can decide whose fault it is. I'm not assigning fault to anyone. I'm just giving you a timeline of what happened.
i don't know about fault - but baldwin seems like a good kid with a strong arm. starting with the fields transfer, i feel bad how this has all worked out. i don't think it's a good look for Day and the program either.
So if you were coach you wouldve declined Fields' transfer to keep a seemingly mediocre QB who just turned his tail and ran to save face? You wouldnt be OSU coach long with lame rationale like that.
Huh? What wasn’t a good look? OSU taking one of the highest recruits ever? An open competition through spring? What exactly about this isn’t a good luck?
"Because I couldn't go for three"
None of your comments on this thread make any sense. Any school would have taken Justin Fields in a heartbeat if he said he wanted to go there. It’s not Day’s fault Martell didn’t want to compete. As for Baldwin who knows what happened, but Day went out and got who he and many other people feel is one of the more talented QB prospects in a while, which is exactly what we should be doing at a program like OSU.
A big part in the majority of Ohio State's players' calculus in deciding to play at here is to help to be prepared to play at the next level. If you can compete and succeed at a place like Ohio State that improves your chances to play in the NFL. If Ohio State wants to continue to be the type of program that plays at the level of the Alabama's, Clemson's, Oklahoma's and Georgia's of the college football world then it has to be open to going after guys like Justin Fields. It might not be fair to guys like Baldwin but, it's the reality of college football at the highest level currently. Additionally, getting back to my original point, making an NFL squad is highly competitive and if your goal is to play there schools like OSU and the others I mentioned before are where you best experience what it's going to be like.
reading comprehension is a real problem
It is, but let’s not act like that’s the root of the problem here. Your comments have made little to no sense & you got called on it.
I blame Urban and I explained why on the other article in depth. Unfortunately, I’m not the best at copy and paste, I guess!! Haha.
It's Drake's fault. That weasly spineless wuss refused to defend Urban and all of that crap together combined to force Urban's health issues back to the surface in a big way. Without Drake's stabbing Urban in the chest (metaphorically), we still have Urban for another year probably.
I have absolutely nothing against Day and am excited to see "Ruthless Ryan" pound the B1G into submission, but in my view this all falls under the category of "consequences" of Drake's piss poor leadership.
"Be a first rate version of yourself, not a second rate version of someone else." - Judy Garland
Give the man cigar, he's gonna go far. Not only did Drake not defend UFM, he wanted Urb's head on a pike. Expect more of the same when importing Calicentric administrators.
Regardless of what word you use, the buck stops in Day's office now. So, yeah, our QB situation is his fault in as much as it's his job (has been for a couple years) to keep the QB pipeline intact, trained up and deep...he didn't and failed to prevent the transfers.
More opportunity for another future Buckeye.
Remember when Brax's arm fell off and we all panicked? This isn't good, but I'm calmly optomistic because I know the master has no possesions....Particularly in April.
Day had to know that by bringing in Fields he would also be pushing Martell and Baldwin out. Fields isn’t being brought in to compete for the job, he’s the presumptive starter. Martell saw the writing on the wall and evidentially Baldwin saw it too after spring ball. For me, I would have preferred we take our chances with Martell and Baldwin and not bring in a hired gun.
"In America, anyone can become president. That's the problem." George Carlin
i think what sent baldwin out was all of the media saying it was fields job - and they aren't saying that unless they believe Day is saying that. - and as i said above, i would have left too if i didn't think i was getting a fair shot to win the job.
edit - i do agree with you about keeping martell and baldwin. we recruited those guys and the only reason fields isn't in georgia now is he didn't win the starting job there.
Not if you were a shitty QB.
so, now we're allowed to use profanity on the site?
To be clear, we've always allowed profanity on the site. Hell, we publish a lot of articles with profanity. The red banner when Ohio State won the 2014 National Title said "HOLY SHIT: Urban Meyer just won the national championship with a 3rd string quarterback."
By your logic the only reason Baldwin and Martell are not at OSU is because they couldn't win the starting job. At an elite program they are going to recruit over you EVERY year. There is always gonna be some hotshot freshman coming in. Should the upper-class receivers leave because the media is saying Wilson is special? Should Ryan Day not have recruited him for fear of hurting someone's feelings? At least one QB a year is coming thru that door. He essentially recruited the best one available. Get over it
I think Day will be successful and I like the coaching hires he made on the defensive side of the ball, but I did not like the recruitment of Fields for several reasons: 1) It would disrupt the QB room and damage whatever chemistry there was among the team's QB's; 2) It's a show of disloyalty to QB's already on the roster; and 3) It would harm recruitment of future QB's because it would rightly be perceived that the coaching staff wasn't loyal to the QB's they recruited.
Despite all of the coach-speak from Day that the competition for the starting QB would go in to the summer, Fields wasn't brought in here to compete, he was brought in here to be the starter. That's a different situation than bringing in a hotshot freshman recruit who, as good as he may be, would still have to compete to win the starting job. The reason Baldwin and Martell aren't at Ohio State anymore is because a winner for the starting QB position was declared before the competition even began.
so, now we're reduced to taking the "best qb available" that was NOT able to win the job at another school?
Based on Martell stinking out the joint in his Spring game, we didn't miss out on anything - the fans were yelling, "overrated" during his time in the game.
On the other hand, I really did like Baldwin and am very disappointed he decided to leave - but he did, so we move forward and don't look back ....
Geez, I just saw this about Baldwin. I have long felt that QB is such a tough position to play because, unlike other positions, there is typically no chance of getting playing time in meaningful parts of the game in significant games if you are not the starting QB.
i played another varsity sport in college—soccer—and one of the pluses was that, even if you were not a starter, you could still be making a major game contribution (except for the goalie position which was pretty much the equivalent of a starting quarterback in terms of the absence of subbing).
So, there is a part of me that understands where Baldwin is coming from. Athletes in general want to get out on the field in a real game when it matters—not simply in mopup duty.
Having said that, I guess this must mean that Baldwin feels the starting job is clearly going to Fields.
Some weird takes on here so far...
Kind of looks like one qb will be left standing a lot while the others or one will transfer out. At least until kids start realizing there's not that much difference if they do transfer to other football power schools . And we can get back to normal again. Also kind of shoots down the whole we need four quarterbacks theory. Hell, we are gonna be lucky to have 2 at this point.
"Age wrinkles the body, quitting wrinkles the soul" Woody Hayes
You'd think that some of these kids, at any position, would have realized by being around the game of football for any length of time, that a back up is only one play away from being a starter .....
fields must not have thought that way or he wouldn't have left georgia.
Shit happens!!! Go Bucks!!!
no one wants to be #2 anymore.... being #2 doesn't make you a bad qb - but it should make you a ready qb.... be ready to step in... be ready to help... be ready to advance your team....
national championship in 2014? 3 qbs - braxton, Jt, cardale...
the NCAA has created this 'portal' nonsense and NCAA has no backbone...
simple solution - if you commit to a school, program, you are in... if you leave, you need to re-pay the school - they invested in you - you need to re-pay that investment ... it's really not a hard concept
NCAA has let this slip out of their hands - no control... everyone can just jump around.... terrible... not only for OSU, but all schools
it is spring
fans are itchy
players now have “The Portal”
’looking out for you and your family’ is the meme
slowly, and with sad puppy eyes, I watch my college football change into something run by people who have no understanding of “delayed gratification”
“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”
and another thing— leave these young dudes alone, they are doing the best they can with what they’ve taught by their parents and mentors
Probably just shortened the play book by a few pages. No way they let fields run now.
Noon games suck
So, anyone want to talk about ESPN's preseason FPI rankings?
"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott
i think the FPI is not a concern now. the question for me now is how many games can we win with (reaistically) 1 qb - and that guy has never started a game in college nor has he faced any big moments with the game on the line. i don't think we need to worry about FPI or playoffs right now - we just have to wait and see how fields does in our big games.
Trust me, that comment was made fully tongue in cheek.
why is it anybody's fault?? Baldwin made this decision no one else ...Day is getting paid the big bucks he will figure this out...all will be well in Buckeye Nation ..don't get your panties in a knot all you extreme worry warts..this is OSU not some mediocre team with mediocre coaches
Baldwin was personally recruited by Day. Perhaps he feels betrayed, but he should know that, as in life, there are no guarantees in football. He should also look at Tate's situation and realize the grass may not be greener on the other side of the fence. Either way, good luck to him. Meanwhile, CHUG keeps moving up the depth chart. We're only a turf toe away from The Shoe being filled with CHUG, CHUG, CHUG chants.
fields was apparently given a guarantee to start here - so, there are guarantees.
Wonder if all this happens if Urban had stayed?
It's a tad troubling to me that Baldwin was a Day recruit. Martell was always a better fit for Urban's offense, and he was an Urban recruit, so while I think he'll be an exciting player and would have been very successful at Ohio State, his leaving makes a lot of sense.
And, as someone up the chain noted, Fields coming as a transfer is different than a new recruit - which, everyone seems to understand, is going to be part of life at elite programs. But you can't blame Day for wanting to reel in a guy who became the highest rated recruit ever at Ohio State (btw, am I the only one surprised by that? I know ratings like today's haven't been around forever, still...). Any coach would love to get a QB like Fields.
The "this is the current landscape" argument gains some credence, I think, when you look at Hurts, Bryant - even Murray was a transfer from A&M. And we should absolutely count Joe Burrow in that - last time I saw him play, he threw 4 TDs and LSU won the Fiesta Bowl. Not too shabby.
So, the important thing, IMO, is that recruits don't think Ohio State and/or Day is a place that will screw them over. I think given Fields' spectacular recruiting hype, it's something of a special case. So long as the coaches can convince a player they won't go hunting for *transfers* vs. new recruits for competition, I think Ohio State and the handful of schools with the Buckeyes' history and accomplishments will be just fine.