ESPN Shuns OSU... Again

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bucknut1994's picture

Wow eSECpin at it again folks can you believe that? Good thing all this shit doesn't matter. 

#94Ways

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OhioAgainstTheWorld34's picture

"So you're telling me there's a chance...."

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BuckWylde's picture

This is exactly what we need--a chip on our collective shoulder, and a point to prove to the nation and the committee. excellent prediction!

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

*Que Cincy*

Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!

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G.'s picture

Ha! Maybe he's taking a break.

G.

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Jumar's picture

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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OSU56's picture

Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.

 

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keith7456's picture

1st problem.. Looking at something ESecPN did

2nd problem.... caring about something ESecPN did

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PhillyNut's picture

3rd problem - repeating problems 1 and 2.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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Hovenaut's picture

Got M...igan gossip? Bang it here

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AtlBuc's picture

Don't get too worked up over it.

The preseason FPI uses 2 key metrics that we are short on this year - Returning Head Coach and returning QB. 

This was released weeks ago and argued about then.  But anticipate dozens of articles over the off-season that are based on the index.  It won't change until there are games in the books.

ESPN did have a couple of positive articles over the past couple of days that were complementary to Day and to the offense in general.  One of their fall story lines will be the 'new' Buckeye team, so I expect them to cover them significantly early next season.

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gobucks96's picture

Screen something, please. I haven't clicked on that website in sometime.

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Earle's picture

Axe leukemia!
#Poppystrong

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stuckupnorth's picture

Lol. The ESPN theories. What they think doesn’t matter. OSU in 2002 was a preseason number 12 or something. Don’t get spanked again by an unranked opponent by 30. It’s that easy. When OSU fans accept that, and put accountability on the teams performance instead of ESPN life will be easier.Why even give ESPN time of day if you think they are anti OSU. You are setting your self up for disappointment. I don’t watch cable news from either side. I already know their agenda and motives. Why watch it? Just to say I told you so.

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Sav45age's picture

Started at 13, and went all the way up!

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Jumar's picture

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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Jumar's picture

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

DV just because you followed a Natalie Dormer GIF with a Cersei Lannister one.  BOOOOOOOOO.

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Jumar's picture

Margery Tyrell barely cracks the top 5.

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Elks' comb over's picture

Quad wins. His post has much more... substance to it

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Defiance's picture

One might even say twice the substance...

"Defiance in Silence" 

Shhhh

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

She scoffs at gravity. No jiggle. Ever.

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FieldsofJreams's picture

You MODS are biased towards smaller breasts.  There is a slight jiggle and if that were Kate Upton, it would have been gone.

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Jumar's picture

Quad was smart for not using a Missandei gif.

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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RoyMunson's picture

Who cares? Win them all next year.

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PRO8's picture

For some reason ESPIN always munson's us...

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BuckeyeDropout's picture

They literally say in the article that the FPI is likely too low on Ohio State. An indicator like that is going to look at (mostly) returning production and Ohio State is losing a QB that tossed 50 TD's last year. 

What we have currently available is what we have available.

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CincyOSU's picture

Don't you understand faux outrage trumps actually reading and comprehending?

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

I knew you wouldn’t be to far behind this wagon. 

Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Exactly.  Even the agnostic S&P+ has the Buckeyes at #7 behind LSU, Oklahoma and Florida.  When you lose your NFL QB, half of your rushing production (Weber had 954 yards, Dobbins had 1053), and three receivers who accounted for 1063/669/701 yards respectively and 12/8/11 TDs, your "returning offensive production" is paltry.  There are no real college stats to go on for either Fields or Baldwin. And Day is a brand new HC with all of three games under his belt under the watchful eye of Urban F Meyer during the week before each game.

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Brandon26841's picture

Not to mention the teams biggest weakness last season (the defense) basically did nothing but lose a few top 3 round draft picks (Bosa / Jones) and return everyone else.

Of course the projections are going to be conservative with this team. 

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I'm Ron Burgundy's picture

And when you put it that way, (holy shit we lost a lot), one has to reasonably lower expectations, and a preseason ranking in the 8-12 range is not unreasonable.  

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FieldsofJreams's picture

Irregardless of tOSU's ranking, the FPI is a crappy metric that needs heavy revising.  S&P+ is so much better and in the pre-season I think the recruiting rankings are factored into it, hence why tOSU is higher.  

The predictions that ESPin uses the FPI to make are awful.  I have no idea how they reached this conclusion but they had tOSU as I think like a 70% favorite to get the 4th playoff spot, when we all knew it was either OU or UGA.  I wish Vegas had the Buckeyes at 100-1 to win, right now they have 9-1.  The FPI is a joke.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I'd take the FPI over a preseason coaches or AP poll any day of the week. At least it's got some academic rigor behind it and some metrics to back it up. 35% of the teams in the first AP poll will finish outside of the Top 25, and 15-20% will end up 6-6 at the end of the season. Talk about a joke.

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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NoVAsmitty's picture

Absolutely agree.  The AP and USA Today polls should be banned.  And I think these preseason polls do more to drive a narrative of SEC dominance that is driven through a good bit of the college football season and can't help influence some of the thinking by Committee members.  How much of an influence, I don't know.  But the Committee members are human and I presume they read newspapers and watch/listen to broadcast media talking heads.

I don't believe there is a negative bias at ESPN opposed to Ohio State or the Big Ten.  Of course, we would be stupid to think the four letter doesn't promote the brands that it owns.  In addition, probably 90%, if not more, of ESPN's college football employees work exclusively or predominantly for the SEC Network or ACC Network and will reflect affirmative bias for those teams just because they know more about them.  But, that doesn't mean that ESPN is negatively biased against Ohio State.  

Nonetheless, that ESPN is the exclusive broadcast partner of the CFP is a major issue of a potential conflict of interest and gives the appearance of undue influence. 

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Ohiostate1957's picture

Plus losing 4 starting O-linemen

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Arsenal7's picture

how do y'all love being mad so much

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Brandon26841's picture

It's amazing that fans of such a great, consistently winning / dominant program can be so insecure about everything. There's a constant chip on the shoulder and while I generally find that to be a good thing in most situations I've never quite understood why it's so large with this fanbase. 

I wonder if other fan bases are the same? Honestly. 

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CALPOPPY's picture

I wonder if other fan bases are the same? Honestly. 

Yes. Yes they are.

Everyone sees bias.

Memento mori

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MaineStrength's picture

I'm a rival fan, so take it with a grain of salt, but I don't think other fan bases feel as shafted as OSU's does.  UM fans surely get upset about some stuff, but I would have never imagined how many articles and threads would be on here about UM or about how much ESPN hates them.  I can assure you the writers at Mgoblog don't write many stories about OSU.  OSU is like the dorky little girl who never had a friends and guys never gave her attention, then she all a sudden got really hot, but is still upset at the world because they didn't give her attention when she was younger.  Personally I think it all stems from UM's history and getting annoyed when people praise UM for being the all time winningest program, etc. when OSU has been the better program in the modern era, but I could be wrong.

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FieldsofJreams's picture

You guys over there are too busy complaining about Izzo and worrying about the basketball team.  Mgo thinks it's Duke now, when really TTUN just lucked into the easiest path of all time to the title game.

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FieldsofJreams's picture

OSU is like the dorky little girl who never had a friends and guys never gave her attention, then she all a sudden got really hot

Only the Buckeyes have graced the covers of Playboy for at least the last 80 years.

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MaineStrength's picture

Dude, it's not an argument, lighten up.  He asked if it happens with other fan bases and my take is OSU fans get annoyed at UM's old success.  You got your panties in a bunch so quickly you missed the compliment I was giving OSU for being the better program of the modern era.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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Zonabuck's picture

my take is OSU fans get annoyed at UM's old success.

Whether it’s OSU fans or not, this what every other fan base thinks of when TTUN comes up.  “My Great-Great-Great Grandpappy built the first paddle wheel steamship, and now all the other ocean freight companies are jealous of me.”

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MaineStrength's picture

Lol case and point...yes OSU fans feel chronically shafted.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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Zakb911's picture

Hilarious dog.  No salt needed here.  Most college aged folks' can only recall the modern era.  I think UM has had a few good seasons over the last quarter century, however the ugliness you've witnessed I've never experienced.  Losing to a 3 win mac program at home etc...  ..  I feel like your fans are now celebrating the fact they are out of the dumpster fire decade but still can't beat a team worth a whatever .. it's funny how every time UM is torched in a big game (every time they play one) the dumpster fire gets re-lit at MGO (didn't realize there was still football talk there) and everyone remembers what it really is up north.. not much.  Congrats on winning some games I didn't know.

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MaineStrength's picture

Most college aged folks' can only recall the modern era.

Most college football fans are not college aged kids.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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allinosu's picture

First of all the anointed themselves the most winningest program as others know that those numbers are questionable at best because they counted practices well as high school wins and clubs. Secondly their history is best known for failure and losing to Appalachian St. UM reminds me of an ugly old woman that tries to convince others she was a prom queen when in fact she was too busy popping pimples on her face and ass.

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blu.fan's picture

Stupid ESPN. I will never fall for that crap again. Especially after last year. Michigan can beat up on the rest of the Big 10, and you know, it doesn't mean jack when they play OSU. I'm in shell shock, and won't believe Michigan will win until after they've actually done it. Frankly, I don't care about the National Championship at this point. It all is meaningless until Michigan beats you, and the way you shredded Brown's defense was obscene. How in the world can Michigan be up above OSU? SMH. Just shut up and beat OSU first. Any championship aspirations for the Wolvereines go through the Buckeyes.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Beginning to think your username applies more to your mood than your team, Blu.

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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blu.fan's picture

HA!! No, I am a Wolverine fan through and through. However, you're right that my mood is blue . . . disgusted and disappointed and frustrated and embarassed are all words to describe how I feel about Michigan football. And yes, OSU is in my head. The last year was the worst. My only hope is that Gattis and the offense really turn things around. I actually have hope that this will be the case. But I won't believe it until I actually see it. And even if I see it against multiple teams, I really won't believe it until Michigan plays OSU. A whole lot hinges on the offensive line. If Warinner really whips them into shape, and the 4 starters from last year actually improve, this could move to being a strength. And OL play has such a huge influence on everything else. Here is what has to happen:

  1. OL has to be good, with BOTH run and pass protection.
  2. At least 2 of the good WR's need to be healthy. DPJ, Black, Collins, and Martin or Bell.
  3. At least 1 more solid RB. Charbonnet, Turner, Evans. At least one. Two would be better. Three? Awesome.
  4. Defense has to hold serve, maybe take a step back. We are concerned about DT depth, and also CB play. There are two good CB's. But OSU burned UM on slants with the 3rd CB All. Day. Long.

Like I said in my post above, I need to see all these things happen against good teams like OSU before I'll believe it. And I can't predict Michigan will beat OSU until they do it. I'll never forget last year where even you guys at 11W thought Michigan had a chance . . . . until they played the game.

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MaineStrength's picture

disgusted and disappointed and frustrated and embarassed are all words to describe how I feel about Michigan football

Eh, they got blown out in one game.  Same thing happened against PSU in '17.  The previous two games were close.  This stuff is cyclical, it will come back around...it's just sports.

1. OL has to be good, with BOTH run and pass protection.

The interior OL will be good, the tackles will still be average and struggle against OSU, but hopefully getting the ball out quicker and getting the running game going will help, but make not mistake OSU's d-line will be a difficult matchup on the edges as they often are.

A2. t least 2 of the good WR's need to be healthy. DPJ, Black, Collins, and Martin or Bell.

Of course, you're best players on offense need to stay healthy.  IMO it's really just DPJ & Black..if they're healthy UM is good to go.

3. At least 1 more solid RB. Charbonnet, Turner, Evans. At least one. Two would be better. Three? Awesome.

The RBs could be great if the Turner hype is real, Evans is allowed back, & Charbonnet is as good as advertised...or none could happen.

4. Defense has to hold serve, maybe take a step back. We are concerned about DT depth, and also CB play. There are two good CB's. But OSU burned UM on slants with the 3rd CB All. Day. Long.

Defense will be good, but not great, but Fields won't do what Haskins did and the offense will be better.  Plus UM's offense will be running the same offensive plays so they'll get more practice against it.  And, Brown even used some zone in the "scrimmage"!  They'll find another CB out of Gray, JKP, or Sims, all of whom are 4-stars and none of whom are freshman.

It will be a close game that could go either way.  I agree that OSU is still the favorite on paper despite what odds makers and RPI are saying because they have the more talented roster and more depth.  But, you can only lose so many close games before one goes your way.  Since OSU has been on their historic run since 2001 they have been 16-2 against UM.  However, 7 of those wins came by less than a TD.  I don't think that can happen without a little luck, eventually it will turn around.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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blu.fan's picture

Eh, they got blown out in one game.

Imhe, Saying Michigan vs. OSU is "one game" is about like saying "some people did something." Yes, winning every other game is important. But at this point, it all boils down to this one game for me. We could convincing beat every other team on the schedule, and if we get destroyed by OSU again, what would it matter? We still wouldn't play for a Big 10 Championship, and we still wouldn't be in the playoffs. Michigan has got to begin to beat OSU some of the time.

This stuff is cyclical

Well, I hope to agree. But we are on an awfully long cycle. 16 losses to OSU since 2002 is a long time, and it hasn't been good. OSU has beat Michigan 7 games in a row TWICE in the last 20 years. (Yeah, I know one game was vacated, but OSU beat UM, regardless of what the pinheads in the NCAA say.) The last time Michigan had that kind of streak? 1909!!!! Look at the period from 1969 through 2000. Michigan won 19 times, OSU 11 times, and there were 2 ties. There was some competitive balance there. Even if you pull off the Cooper Era, it still is Michigan won 12 times, OSU 9 times, and a tie. That's roughly competitive balance. We have not had competitive balance for a long time. As much as I hate to lose, I would gladly, gladly, gladly welcome a period like the 10 year war, Bo. vs. Woody, Michigan with 5 wins, OSU with 4 wins, and 1 tie. In fact, even though this is complete heresy, I would almost rather have that instead of Michigan being 16 wins, 2 losses, vs. OSU. That's how it should be vs. MSU. Against OSU? Not so much.

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Earthoid.'s picture

Don't worry, this is your year, blu.  It's gonna be a down year for us.  Not quite 2011 levels, but enough that UM actually has a chance this year.  A pretty good chance at that...

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buckeyedownunder's picture

I like the fact that they have the Buckeyes at #12 with almost a zero chance of winning the playoffs.  That it was ESPN doing these rankings makes it even better.  I would much rather have a team and coaching staff with a chip on their shoulders rather than an entitled group that becomes convinced that they will win by just showing up.  This will help fuel the offseason and preseason effort levels. Has ESPN forgotten that the guys stepping in are a part of two of the best recruiting classes we ever had?  These players are already itching to make a mark on the program.  I hope they get a chip on their shoulder as well.

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BuckeyeBulldog's picture

Imagine that, Michigan getting preseason love....
Check back in November

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BucksHave7's picture

ESPN is literally tabloid journalism and nothing more, not the news.

I understand the whole thing about returning production. But you would have thought ESPN learned from Dwayne Haskins had no returning prod year before (Bucks finished #3).

Its interesting ESPN picks TTUN as the best team from Big 10, given: 

-TTUN plays ND (a 28% chance team to make playoff  says ESPN, LOL, yeah right)

-TTUN plays Iowa and Wisky from the B10 West, those are 2 tough ones.

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CincyOSU's picture

ITS A COMPUTER.

And they even admitted, in the article, that we were ranked way too low due to the formula used. This is NOTHING to cry about.

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FieldsofJreams's picture

And a computer algorithm can't have bias built into it?  You haven't seen the formula, so of course the guy w/ a heavy bias himself in the opposite direction thinks there is no bias.

It is highly likely that the FEI, one of the more prominent metrics in use, has a built-in bias towards P12 teams.  Why or how, I don't know.  

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CincyOSU's picture

I’m sorry, when did bias become a part of this discussion? The OP, and several others were crying how this is a clear shot at OSU, which is utterly absurd seeing as how the HUMAN BEING(who works for ESPN) said that they computer was wrong. Yet, here we are focusing on what the computer says, while ignoring what the human said, so some of us have something to belly ache about. 

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FieldsofJreams's picture

The FPI ranking upset the OP, not the writer.  It is not absurd to feel #12 is too low, when compared to a metric like S&P+.  If he wants to question ESPN's motives too, oh well.  Why do you even waste your time defending ESPN?  A sizable minority on this site believe ESecPN has it out for them, and that is never going to change.  

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BucksHave7's picture

I always go by Vegas.  People who put their money where their mouth is!

1. Clemson = 7/4

2. Bama = 9/4

3. GA = 7/1

4. tOSU = 9/1

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-football/odds/futures/

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CincyOSU's picture

And the OP linked an article about the FPI saying it’s an example of ESPN “shunning” OSU all the while ignoring what was said in th article, written by a human being, that said OSU was clearly ranked too low. So if ESPN’s goal was to “shun” OSU, why would the human being go out of his way to say the computer was wrong? The is a clear example of cherry picking facts and looking for something to be mad about.  

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Crumb's picture

All about the money. If they had as much control over the B1G as they do the SEC and ACC they'd be sticking their noses in the B1G's butt crack too. Their hate and bias are validation. 

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rkylet83's picture

Yep.  They were licking their chops with delight when they thought Michigan was coming in to Columbus to beat us last season.  They looked like fools in the process.  They want Harbaugh to be great so bad it hurts.  Let them keep building him up, it only makes the inevitable fall even sweeter.  At least they’ll always have Saban!  

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CincyOSU's picture

They aren't building them up, it's a COMPUTER. And, the HUMAN that wrote the article even said it had OSU way too low due to the formula used.

It's becoming more and more evident that some people are just looking for things to complain about because this is certainly not one of them.

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rkylet83's picture

I take it you didn’t watch college game day 

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MaineStrength's picture

You do realize that Speilman, Galloway, Smith, and Herbstreit all work for ESPN, right? ESPN has a bunch of controversial journalists...that's kinda like the point. Put Herby and Desmond on the set together, May and Holtz, etc. Some will sing OSU's praises, others will dig at them any chance they get.

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rkylet83's picture

Actually Spielman and Smith work for Fox Sports.  Herbstreit goes over the top on being objective...Howard couldn’t be more biased if he tried. I could list more examples, but why bother.  

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MaineStrength's picture

Herbstreit goes over the top on being objective...Howard couldn’t be more biased if he tried. I could list more examples, but why bother

Do you feel like this is based on those individual's decisions or ESPNs?  How they decide to portray their opinions on ESPN is their choice IMO.  I don't believe ESPN is telling them what to say.  So, if Herby is overly objective that's on him.  Based on the difference in how Herby acts on Gameday for example vs his radio show I think he's just not being transparent.  I think he tries to be overtly objective on ESPN to appease other fan bases.  When he's on the radio his real opinion comes out.  Desmond on the other hand is more transparent and represents his true intentions, but in a good natured way, whatever media platform he is on.  He doesn't sugar coat it, but he also is not disrespectful.  Long story short, IMO how these guys decide to portray themselves is on them, not ESPN.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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JimmyVanP's picture

these fpi results came out a while ago idk why they're just posting them now

i distinctly remember looking at it, having a good chuckle, and moving on with my day

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OSU56's picture

I don't give a damn for the whole state of *ichigan…….."AND".....  I don't give a damn about the whole ESECPN site.....

Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.

 

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typeOHpositive's picture

Embrace the Hate, Love it, Feed off it, Persevere because of it, Fuel your fire with it....then Win!

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analyticalguy's picture

Although I expect the Buckeyes to do better than that, there are legitimate reasons for procrastinators to drop them significantly from their #3 finish last season's. Last year's defense was pretty bad. The offense a LOT - not just it's QB, but also 4 of 5 starting OL, one of the 2 top RBs, the 3 starting WRs. A future HOF HC is being replaced by someone who has never (really) been a HC before. The coaching staff turnover (particularly on the defensive side of the ball) is probably a good thing, but it's untested. There will be an untested player at the most important position (QB). The only clear positive is the innate talent of the players on the roster, however untested they are,, or how much their performance did or did not live up to expectations in the past.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

So let's unpack this.

You are upset about fake, magical percentage points put out there to discuss the likely outcome of the up and coming college football season in April?

You seem ok about Clemson and Bama's standing but are upset OSU doesn't come in somewhere right after that? They have new head coach and a new QB, both largely unproven in their current roles. That's it. that's all. Anything said to shade OSU this year will always boil back down to those two facts. And nothing else.

Stop the insanity.

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Beantown_Buckeye's picture

What happened here is clear. ESPN obviously created a computer with feelings. They crafted those feelings to do one thing - hate The Ohio State University. Then that computer, filled with all its Buckeye hate, created an algorithm based off of that and spit out these dastardly rankings. In 2015 and 2017 ESPN FPI ranked the Buckeyes #1 which was an obvious ploy to jinx the Buckeyes and watch them fail to make the playoff. The computer is indeed calculated in its OSU hate.

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BrutusB's picture

1. They released a computer ranking that has us ranked low.

2. A human at ESPN then disregarded the computer ranking, and put us at #5.

3. OP gets upset anyway.

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CincyOSU's picture

Faux outrage knows no bounds...

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CharlieBuckeye's picture

The puppet master has already begun to pull a fan base strings - cut the strings and don’t worry about things we cannot control.

We could be ranked 15th and all I would say is -

GO BUCKEYES!!!!!

Don’t let the media schmucks play you!!!!!

Have a great summer - GO BUCKEYES!!!!!

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cricejr's picture

I consider this fantastic!  This not only provides the team with something to prove, it takes pressure off of them and puts it on the Michigan chokers.  and most importantly, the odds to win the national championship has already changed from 7-1 to 9-1.  I'll be in Vegas for a wedding and I hope its even better so I can drop a bill on it.

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

When you're #1, everybody is out to knock you off that pedestal, and the only way to go is down.

Go Bucks. Bushwhack 'em in '19.

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Homey1970's picture

Stephen A. Smith is going with Hunter Henry as his Super Bowl LIII MVP and Dwayne Haskins as the 2019 NFL QB rushing yardage champion.

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Zonabuck's picture

People can roll their eyes all they want, but the schmucks who sit on the ESPN Holiday Invitational Tournament Selection Committee are more influenced by these made up “computer” predictors than they are by their own eyes. It’s just easier for them to go with the flow and match their rankings with stuff like this than it is to actually watch games critically and fight for your own opinion. ESPN dictates everything about the rankings. 

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CincyOSU's picture

You're leaving out facts to support your desire to be mad. A computer put out a meaningless poll. A HUMAN then said the computer was wrong based on the algorithm used. Yet, here we are STILL getting mad. Over what? I guess some people just aren't happy unless they have something to complain about.

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Zonabuck's picture

Not sure where the “desire to be mad” issue comes from. I’m on record here, there and everywhere for the last year and a half saying we should just play football and not pay any attention to the ESPN H.I.T.  Focus on the Big Ten, winning an elite matchup in the preseason and dominate the bowl game. Focus on the Buckeyes. Forget about ESPN. Some can let it go and some can’t help but vehemently defend. 

If you respond again, would you please address my original point?  TIA. 

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CALPOPPY's picture

People can roll their eyes all they want, but the schmucks who sit on the ESPN Holiday Invitational Tournament Selection Committee are more influenced by these made up “computer” predictors than they are by their own eyes.

Not sure what the ESPN H.I.T. is.

But the FPI makes a lot more sense after games are played during the season, although these stats in football are admittedly less predictable due to the fewer number of games played.

So, reading into preseason ranking based upon last season make much less sense than taking them into consideration after 12 to 13 games actual games against other teams.

Memento mori

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Zonabuck's picture

It’s ESPN’s Holiday Invitational Tournament. Many will make the argument that, at least on paper, the CFP committee is totally independent yadda yadda yadda, but ESPN controls all of it. While “the committee” doesn’t release anything until mid October, ESPN starts pumping the “Who’s In?” nonsense before the games even begin. Then when they don’t agree with any aspect of the CFP rankings, they berate it.

 That influences everything, including the voters. The “they watch every minute of every game and start with a new slate each week” is nonsense. They watch highlights like most people, and aren’t hardcore nerds. This is like a board appointment - show up to a handful of meetings and don’t screw it up. If they were serious about “the committee”, you wouldn’t see it filled with a bunch of people who used to be active in football, they’d fill it - at least partially - with computer nerds and data analysts. How many of those guys are on “the committee”?

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McGrind's picture

Has anybody in college football ever completely retooled their offense and had a markedly better team..let alone a Top 4 ranking? Fullbacks moving to DT, safeties moving to RB. If Harbaugh pulls this off I will change my COY vote from Ferentz to Jim the ‘Evolver’. 

ttun 2019 offense...same pig, different lipstick.

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Iwannagobacktoohiostate's picture

Ohio against the World...  

“Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances.” Tarkin..

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11UrbzAndSpices's picture

I believe Holtman will coach up our boys to be better than that

If you laugh, you think, and you cry, that's a full day. That's a heck of a day. You do that seven days a week, you're going to have something special.

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GunnerBuck's picture

New staff, new QB, historically horrible defense last year. losing a great QB, 3 WR's, 2nd leading rusher and the best player in college football to the Draft... from an outside perspective it makes sense.

"Come on, you sons of b!tches! Do you want to live forever?" -- Dan Daly, WWI

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BucksHave7's picture

Your Buckeye knocks are funny. For you to consider this qb and staff as 'new' is flawed. 

This years Buckeye offense w Fields legs and spreading out the ball to Hill, Mack, Victor, Olave and Wilson beat last years Buckeye defense with no problem. 

This years Buckeye defense playing simple schemes with 9 returning starters stops last years 1 dimensional passing offense. 

YEAH!!!  This team this year is going to be better than the team that finished last season #3 in the country with only 1 loss. 

BucksHave7

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GunnerBuck's picture

Just as you did in the last post, you completely missed the point so I'll spell it out to you. 

While this team and coaching staff is obviously extremely talented and arguably top 2 as far as team talent, the large majority of the team together is unproven. 90% of the other teams have proven players returning and added additions to help progress. You can't say that about this Ohio St team.  We literally lost 100% of our passing yards and TDs. 55% of our rushing yards and 48% of our rushing TD's, 50% of our receiving yards and 67% of our receiving TD's. On top of all that, we have a new HC, OC, DC, LB and DB coach. So we lost 70% of our offensive play makers and 80% of our starting OL. 50% of our "starting DL" (I say that with an asterik since we rotate so many players) and replaced 50% of the coaching staff and replaced one of the best head college football coaches of all time. Does that break it down enough for you to understand that I'm not shitting on the team but I can understand how from an outside point of view there would be lots of question marks?

"Come on, you sons of b!tches! Do you want to live forever?" -- Dan Daly, WWI

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Hovenaut's picture

I appreciate your pragmatism here, GB...makes sense to me.

Plus it's still just too damn early to be getting all up in arms over these polls/rankings/prognostications.

Ohio State will be fine.

Got M...igan gossip? Bang it here

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AZBuck LHC's picture

Well, we all know that Clemson and Bama will be very good, but everybody else is a "Wait and see" proposition. I think the Buckeyes have a chance to be a better overall team then last years unit, but they are likely to struggle early in the season till they hit their stride. However, many things can alter the course of a college football season(Key injuries, suspensions, etc), and being able to build team chemistry is often the key ingredient to a successful team(2014 Buckeyes). We'll have to see what happens!

Buckeye B

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OSU56's picture

It's a COMPUTER

But some Human Dumb Ass who knew that at ESECPN still put it out there...……......

Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.

 

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CincyOSU's picture

Exhibit 87 of distorting/cherry picking stats. I see you are conveniently ignoring that the human being, who works for ESPN, went out of his way to state in the article attached to the poll that OSU was ranked too low. But please, keep looking for things to be mad about.

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OSU56's picture

No cherry picking- it is what it is- you would think if they had half a mind the article would be more of the fact the information is incorrect and the headlines indicate that. Instead we have "College Football Playoff Predictor: " for 2019.

Cincy you have your opinion and I have mine-they have their own agenda for their own purpose, and that agenda does nothing for OSU except to get the clicks they want with their headlines. It is---what it is.

Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.

 

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BuckShotGinn's picture

Having uncertainty about the Buckeyes is one thing, but putting TTUN as 3rd best probability of making the playoffs is a total head-scratcher.  

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/26539077/college-football-playoff-predictor-michigan-makes-top-four

They lose 3 of their best players by far on defense and return an offense with no proven ability to crack the top 20 in scoring.  What am I missing?   Part of me thinks this is a conspiracy by ESPN to raise expectations in order to get Harbaugh fired quicker. (they know they'll rarely (if ever) beat the Bucks with him at the helm)

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OSU56's picture

IF that is the case( I'm not giving them the benefit of the click to verify it), their even more clueless...... SMH

Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.

 

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Ps it&#039;s's picture

Huh I guess this FPI is based largely on returning offensive production and returning coach.  Logic says that would rate Ohio State lower since most of the offensive production graduated and the head coach left.  Experience and talent level on the roster say that likely Ohio State is better than this ranking.  The author then says Ohio State is likely better than this ranking due to other returning and incoming talent.  Also this isn't a poll and all of the polls including ESPN will have Ohio State in their top 5 at the beginning of the season not to mention Ohio State is in the top 4 in Vegas odds so there is no disrespect going on.

Maybe we should have an ESPN FPI FOL (faux outrage level) with a formula:

ESPNFPIFOL = 1 / IQ

you don't got to be Stonewall Jackson to know you don't want to fight in a basement

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Buckeye_bob's picture

OK we prove them wrong! Why do you worry about what ESPN says? Games are played in Sept, Oct, Nov and Dec on the field not the computer or ESPN college football wanna be shows. Quit whining like a little kid, you read that stuff you deserve to get butt hurt!

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