No it doesn’t
Lol whoever downvoted you needs to get a life. Upvote for your opinion!
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I didn’t DV but whomever worries about UV/DV needs to get a life.
Agree. Day needs to do it his way. Take elements of what Meyer did, what other successful coaches have done, and bring some of his thoughts and creativity to the program. All great coaches build on others shoulders but they never become a duplicate.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
Sorry, but that was one of the worst headlines ever. It still feels like Urban is our coach? Come on man! Would Urban almost totally turn over the defensive coaches? I doubt it.
Just wait until the first QB run on 3rd and 4.
With Fields likely starting, the reality of that play call is higher than what many may think at this time.
Not a designed run. He could tuck and run but day hasnt shown to be a conservative playcaller when hes in charge
Just wait until the first QB run on 3rd and 4 gets stopped.
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The 2012 roster wasn't weak. It was filled with eventual CFB national champion & NFL talent.
Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0
When I say “weak” i mean top to bottom talent. There were some good players but not the amount we are seeing today on our roster.
As an exercise, maybe somebody could count the number of future NFL players on the 2012 roster then do the same for the 2016 roster, for example. I bet those numbers would surprise some peeps.
I would be interested in seeing that as well! One thing I do wonder is about team speed. Did we really get faster or is it just a myth?
Eyes report both yes & no.
Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.
The 2012 roster had 22 players that would get selected in the NFL Draft. 16 of the players were recruited/signed by Jim Tressel, 6 of the players were signed by Urban Meyer.
5 of the 22 drafted players were starters in 2012: Braxton Miller and Mewhort on offense, Johnathan Hankins, Bradley Roby and Christian Bryant on defense.
Another player who was on the 2012 roster and selected in the NFL Draft was Noah Spence. The Meyer recruit transferred to Eastern Kentucky, but did have his name called in the draft.
The 2016 roster has 14 players selected in the NFL Draft...to date: Marshon Lattimore, Malik Hooker, Gareon Conley, Curtis Samuel, Raekwon McMillan, Pat Elfein (on both 2012 and 2012 teams), Noah Brown, Denzel Ward, Billy Price, Tyquan Lewis, Jerome Baker, Sam Hubbard, Jayln Holmes and Jamarco Jones.
The 2012 roster had three 1st Round Draft picks: Ryan Shazier (15), Bradley Roby (31) and Taylor Decker (16). However, Decker was a Meyer recruit.
The 2016 roster had five 1st Round Draft picks...to date: Marshon Lattimore (11), Malik Hooker (15), Gareon Conley (24), Denzel Ward (4) and Billy Price (21).
Players from the 2016 roster who have a decent chance of getting selected in this year's draft: Nick Bosa, Dwayne Haskins, Mike Weber, Parris Campbell, Michael Jordan, Isaiah Prince, Terry McLaurin and Dre'Mont Jones.
If all nine players above get selected, that will put the 2016 roster at 23 drafted Buckeyes. With more guys from that 2016 roster to get drafted in 2020.
In all, I give the edge to the 2016 roster. They have more 1st round picks and will have more overall selections when it is over.
A fullback started at middle linebacker.
Just because guys grew into something down the road doesn't mean they were all that in 2012. That roster had glaring deficiencies.
JT had an entire, highly touted LB class go kaput on him, from 09. The kid from Maryland almost lost his foot due to a severe ankle injury, the kid from L'vlle transferred, and so did a LB from PA who wound up having a helluva career at Pitt.
Yeah but you have to take into account how good players were at the time.
Adolphus Washington, Michael Bennett, Doran Grant, Joshua Perry, Jeff Heuerman, and Michael Thomas would be a few examples of guys who definitely weren't the same player in 2012 as the players we saw win it all in 2014.
It's not something that can necessarily be assessed without going back and watching the games (besides through stats which don't always tell the full story), but you have to try to think of the starters/major contributors on the 2012 team and how good they were at that time. Not a weak group of guys by any means at all, but I definitely think that was the weakest roster Meyer had at OSU
Fair point, but seriously, compare 2012 to 2016 (FR Mike Weber, SOs Hubbard, Lattimore, Ward, Campbell, Hooker) & apply that standard. The 2012 squad was stacked.
@3M admittedly that team had some problems w/ LB quality & depth. That plagued Urban's tenure here.
Yeah, some players on the 2016 squad who weren't quite yet the players they were during their last season at OSU would definitely be guys like Parris Campbell, Dre'Mont Jones, Denzel Ward, Nick Bosa, etc.
That 2016 team did have three 1st-rd picks, two 2nd-rd picks, and a 3rd-rd pick in the draft following the season though. They also had literally no weaknesses defensively. I'd pick them in a hypothetical matchup against the 2012 squad if I had to choose
It also parrelled the horrible schedule, one of the worst schedules ever imo
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It feels like Ryan Day is the coach. Already through spring ball and not one mention of "he's one of the best I've ever been around."
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Naw. It doesn’t. But cool manifesto.
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Don't get this, TBH. It feels very much like Ryan Day is coach. I'm nervous and excited about the season, because for the first time in six years, I am not sure what I am going to get.
"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.
I think we're gonna get a throat-cuttin' sonofabitch who is reviled by all of the Big Ten at a level previously unseen.
If he doesn't get starhanderouter hype like Urban, he is going to be reviled by 15% of the 11W community just as much those B10 coaches whose butts he is kicking...................
I guess I’m the only one but it still feels weird to me seeing Ryan Day on the sidelines and on the podium after the game. I think he will be awesome but part of me still feels like this is Urban’s team.
My wife asked me why Louis Littt from the TV show Suits was on Ohio State's sideline. At first I was like WTF but then I can sort of see the resemblance. Clearly Day isn't a schlub like Louis is but I can see why she may have confused them.
You didn’t get what you thought you would get with Urban, either......especially in 2015.
See I get what the OPs saying. The team doesn't feel at all different then the last few years and short of name and certain tweaks, the team definitely feels like it hasn't changed. That was not the case when Tressel came around and when Urban came around as well. I think the aura of the HC is still hanging over the program, not in a bad way at all either. I just don't think Day has had a chance to make a LOUD impact on the team in terms of making it his own. Of course, he's been HBC for what.. 4 months? Once the season starts is when you'll truly feel it. Hell, you'll probably feel it during training camp.
We are used to a certain team and that team has continued to feel the same IMO, especially as someone who doesn't watch every new conference or read every story.
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The Spring Game certainly felt like Urban was still around (unfortunately).
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Urban didn’t inherit a weak roster. Nor did he he inherit a bad team or one that was sliding. Had a real coach been there instead of Luke learning on the job that is a 10-2 11-1 squad. People acting like urban resurrected the Phoenix. That squad had plenty of talent. Look at the past five years before he took over and tell me it was a program about to fall of the cliff
Is Bollman still OC in this scenario?
Fickell was fine as HC. The Administration undermined him by not allowing him to pick his own staff.
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They shouldn’t have. He was not the full time coach. He was a temp. He did an admirable job with what he was dealt with. That said you don’t let a temporary coach replace his coaching staff when you know you are not gonna higher him. Let alone a first time head coach at a top 3 school in America. I will admit that the assistant coaches did him no favors.However he was head coach and could have over rided them.If Luke was not big enough to override them on play calling he was not big enough to hire a staff for one season. Luke is doing a fantastic at Cincinnati. OSU was too big for him at the time.
Overridden a play call, or a decision on players seeing the field, but he was not himself an offensive coach, and he had no coach on that side of the ball to develop (or cover up deficiencies of) a QB, or put together an offensive game plan. Tressell had been, in reality, both the QB coach and the OC, and so Fickell in effect wasn't allowed to have either - while having the choice between a (basically uncoached) true freshman and a minor league pitcher at QB to run that non-offense ( not to mention the loss of other key starters for stretches if the season).
Braxton was here for the Spring Game having been an early enrollee. If he had not been relegated to non-starter at the beginning of fall camp, AND received the number of snaps with the first team instead of bow wow, that offense would have been far, far better by the TTUN game at the very least. ! can't remember such a discrepancy in talent between the two for any position at OSU in my lifetime It was unjust, IMHO, and not just a poor evaluation of talent. Having Brax as the starter from the get go would have given the necessary practice time for the offense to develop a strategy to exploit Braxton's talent and not that of a stiff. Still angry about that goof up because it was so obvious.
I agree. That is on the head coach. Everyone and their brother could see it. People want to like Luke Fickell because he was a Ohio raised buckeye. He will get a free pass for life. That said if he was compentant enough to switch qb why would he be able to pick a new staff.
Urban didn't resurrect Ohio State, but he made us into a legitimate contender on a yearly basis. Looking at OSU from 2005-2010 before Fickell, there's something that stands out.
1-2 vs Texas
0-2 vs USC (one of the losses was a blowout)
Blowout loss to UF
2 TD loss to LSU
We hit a point under Tressel where we couldn't beat other top programs--and I mean truly at the top during that time--nationwide. We beat Oregon, which was a statement win for Tress/OSU, but it was Chip Kelly's 1st season and Oregon hadn't yet become the team they were between 2010-2014. We beat Arkansas after that but, even if they had a solid team that year, Arkansas wasn't a consistent top program.
Meyer took our recruiting to another level, won a National Championship in a playoff where we beat 2 teams who had been consistently at/near the top of college football for quite a few seasons prior to that, and he beat a top-10 team in our bowl game every year we missed the playoff.
To be fair Meyer got blanked by Clemson. Lost to Clemson. Destroyed against Oklahoma(the second game wasn’t close regardless of score) Lost by 30 twice to unranked teams, and beat some crappy bowl teams. The USC bowl game was a joke. USC was USC in name only. Last year Washington was not great either.
I was only talking about Tressel's seasons from 2005-2010. Before then he also had a 5-loss season, a 4-loss season, a 26pt loss to Iowa, and a loss to a 5-7 Purdue team. I'd say Tressel's 2nd loss to USC was against a team who was only USC in name only also.
I don't have anything against Tressel; I think he was a better game manager than Meyer. I'm just saying we weren't gonna be able to consistently compete at the top with him--and I mean really at the top. This showed during the 3-year bowl-loss streak to UF, LSU, and Texas.
The way we recruited under Meyer has changed everything
As far as getting someone with prior/more head coaching chops, I do think OSU could have done a lot better. But I think where Day will prove his worth will be at the QB position and on the offensive side of the ball. I also have to applaud his move to hire away two quality defensive coaches from Michigan and cut ties with last year's defensive brain trust--I think that earned him a lot of respect and proved that he will not be Urban's lap dog. I think Day will do just fine.
"In America, anyone can become president. That's the problem." George Carlin
Why have Day go "prove" he's ready at another school and try to get him back when he confirms he's solid if they already know he's ready to step into the role? You get to keep continuity in the program where you want it and make changes where needed. Much less of a disruption to the players too - current and recruits. The players already love Coach Day, and you never know how the reaction will be for a whole new staff.
Same thing happens in the regular workplace. Companies say "Oh you havent been in the role above yours yet so we'll give a wildcard outsider a shot who will have to learn a new team and company". Then the guy/gal who wanted the promotion leaves and isn't available when the company realizes that they were the best candidate in the first place, or the company has to wait for the right timing down the line and hire them back for way more than if they just promoted them in the first place.
I've certainly seen that same situation play out at my place of work too, so I get where you're coming from. I'm not down on Day at all, I think he will do well at Ohio State.
..we had 2 fantastic coaches back to back. I'm hoping its a hat trick with 3 in a row.
Most importantly, he at least a top 2 coach in the illustrious history of ohio state football.
I just know Urban better keep his hand out of the cookie jar. Ryan Day is going to elevate this team’s ability on the field. It remains to be seen if he can maintain the recruiting, but as long as he wins games this year and next, recruiting will be fine.
This is definitely where I parked my car.
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I honestly wish I shared your alls faith.
It will all be ok, Lamp. Come on in, the water’s fine!
Even if it were not ok, well, we don’t really have a say in what happens. So let’s just enjoy our time with the Buckeyes!
But I still think it’s going to go well.
So, um, Ryan Day's biggest recruiting win probably happened because Meyer stepped down....but that's none of my business.
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Ryan Day's biggest recruiting win probably happened because Meyer stepped down
Agreed to disagree BM, Day had to get him to sign on the dotted line either way without UFM in the equation but just for kicks
You thinking this one here Zach Harrison
or this one here Jack Sawyer because both are huge signings but one is in the past and one is in the future.
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The one that is on campus and set to make plays this fall.
There are some parallels here between OSU and OU. Bob Stoops didn't quite have the success Urban did the past few years but he is a HOF coach who took on a young OC for the 2015 and 2016 seasons in Lincoln Riley. Riley transformed their offense and those final Stoops teams had 11-1 and 10-2 regular seasons, 2 conference titles, and top 5 national finishes. Riley then builds on what Stoops put in place and leads OU to the playoff in back to back seasons.
Urban brings on a young OC in Day who transforms the offense while the D doesn't play to the level of past Buckeye teams. Day takes over and seemingly keeps recruiting at a high level and it remains to be seen what happens next. Hopefully similar results with a much more stout defense.
Of course, as we are well aware, there is probably a lot more to the reason why Urban stepped down, but the point still remains that he was able to do so in a way that protected his legendary status as one of college football’s greatest coaches of all-time.
You and McMurphy working on something?
I actually felt like 2018 was more Ryan Day’s team than Urban Meyer. It felt uncomfortable and uncertain all year and Day lead us through it.
Regardless of how Day does as the head coach, I'll always believe that giving him the job was the best choice at the time. The two names I saw mentioned the most by fans as guys they thought should've been interviewed were Matt Campbell and Luke Fickell.
Campbell has never coached--even as an assistant--at a big-time program. He was an assistant at Toledo before getting promoted to head coach, and then he eventually took the Iowa State job. That means he hasn't been on the recruiting trail at the top level at any point in his career, because Iowa State isn't the type of school that's competing against Bama, Clemson, UGA, etc. for the best talent nationwide. It also means that he's never been in a program with an environment even close to OSU's--he may have not handled it well.
When it comes to Fickell, it's important to remember that we can offer him at any time and he'll accept. If over the next 3 years, Day doesn't well while Fickell is winning 9+ games per year, we'd be able to hire Fickell with one phone call. I think it was worth taking the risk on Day and hoping he becomes the next big-time head coach, because he very likely could've left OSU and done exactly that; then we'd all be pissed we didn't keep him.
Day's inheriting a great situation, and the changes he's made so far seem to be smart and strategic. He didn't try to fix anything that wasn't broken, and he's addressed everything that needed to be addressed.
I think it was worth taking the risk on Day and hoping he becomes the next big-time head coach, because he very likely could've left OSU and done exactly that; then we'd all be pissed we didn't keep him.
I think that's exactly why Gene Smith hired Day.
The Ohio State University is steeped in tradition. Urban understood that, even though most of the fanbase distrusted him at first after he coached at Florida. I think Ryan Day is understanding this.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer