Ryan Day Makes Calculated Risk to Take Justin Fields vs. Matthew Baldwin Competition into Preseason

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I too hoped they would name a starter, but in all honesty, it's probably best that they wait. Fields showed his natural ability but it appears he's still very much learning the offense.

Baldwin just doesn't look ready, neither guy was all that crisp in anything they were doing. I think they both just need more time.

Fields would have to be the overwhelming favorite if all things were equal when you consider the talent he has with his legs. 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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JMeadows's picture

Same here on all your points Eddie.

I don't understand this 'calculated risk' that sportswriters seem to worry about.  Something about building rapport with receivers. I think that's overblown.  Receivers are going to like the guy who throws to them and they'll do everything they can to get passes and to catch them, especially when the number one targets are all gone to the draft.

I also think what we're hearing from Day is that he doesn't know what kind of offense he's going to employ this year and who he picks as QB1 will depend on that choice.  I doubt if his focus is on anything more complicated than winning the most games right now and he'll pick his QB when he has picked his plan. 

Never place a bet on anything that can talk.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I agree, and to add to it, I think he's still figuring out exactly what he has from player to player on offense. 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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IGotAWoody's picture

Agree across the board. And I think the Oline is just as much a question mark as 'who's going to be the starting QB'.

Fall camp will be spent figuring out who the starters will be along the line (as quickly as possible, I might add) and then giving them time to start to gel as a unit. Then Day will have some idea of what his line is best at and which QB maximizes that strength.

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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AnaheimBuck's picture

I have no idea how Coach Day is taking any kind of "risk" not naming a starter.  To do so at this point would be completely stupid.

Based on the performances of both QB(s) in the Spring game, neither QB is anywhere near-ready to be proclaimed the starter.  Each had a few good throws but mostly not-so-good.  I am not near ready to buy into all the hype associated with Fields until he proves it on the field.  He should eventually be a great QB, but he sure as hell isn't at this point in time.  I think everyone need to take another look at his completion % in the Spring game - - - not exactly great #(s) - - - no matter how you look at it.

I am hoping that Baldwin makes it absolutely painfully difficult for Day and his staff to make a clear cut decision until 2 weeks before the 1st game.  That my friends is THE BEST SCENARIO for the Buckeyes football team, as well as the for future for both QB(s).

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

It makes no sense to name a starter this early. Let both QBs grind through the rest of Spring and Summer working out and improving. We are only one snap away from possibly needing our backup play important snaps so both need to develop to their fullest extent. As stated in the article, it is really Fields position to lose at this point. 

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BuckNutChicago's picture

Simply said, whoever improves the most between now and August 31 will be the starter.  Keep working boys!

Go Buckeyes!!!

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Knarcisi's picture

I don’t think it’s much of a risk at all. It’s earned and not given here. You can’t just hand Fields the job. These kids on the team are resilient. They will rally behind whomever is named the starter. And Cincinnati is playing well and IU has played us tough, but no reason to think we can’t work out any remaining kinks in the first 4 games before going to Nebraska. Name the starter a week to two out from the first game. 

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Hovenaut's picture

Totally agree.

Trust the process, let things play out in due time.

Do we need a starter named now, with over four months to go yet?

As far as offseason uncertainties go, with regard to what we as Ohio State fans have endured in recent years, having to wait and see how this plays out is nothing.

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NorthBerg's picture

Mr. Hove,

I want very much to trust process. I want very much to believe that playing time will be determined by merit. So why am I of the opinion that a quid pro quo was involved in the recruitment of Mr. Fields via the transfer portal?

I will show my cynical old ass to the door.

Too much time spent at the North Heidelberg rather than the classroom. SSD 68-72

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Hovenaut's picture

Not sure what begat what (Fields leaving UGA, Martell leaving Columbus, etc)...

Everyone wants what's best, an opportunity, a shot at the title...soemtimes it's worth the wait.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

So why am I of the opinion that a quid pro quo was involved in the recruitment of Mr. Fields via the transfer portal?

I think the only assurance Fields sought when he entered the transfer portal was whether or not Haskins was going pro.  Beyond that, I think he welcomes the competition, because if the number 2 ranked player in America can't win a QB battle, then he has bigger problems.

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Bukirob's picture

...and you came to this conclusion exactly how?  I mean i have NO idea how you come up with that bit of craziness because a qb battle going into fall camp means neither guy is getting #1 reps!  You sure have an odd way of seeing  "quid-pro-quo."  Is Fields being given every chance to win the job?  YEP but is Day giving both guys a chance?  Yep...

So again show me where the Quid-pro-quo is at here?

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Dillon G's picture

Spend your spare time at the Woody, fellas.

I don’t care who starts. The best should play. From my perspective, if they are equal in passing (if) because they have not mastered his offense, Fields should play because he can run if it fails.

#walkaway

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Dstacify's picture

To all those back when Martell was still here telling me reps aren't important (when it comes to Baldwin) well I won't say I told you so. I don't regret losing Martell at all (especially given how horrible he's looked so far at the U) but I expected Baldwin would have struggles like this since he hasn't seen any live action reps in almost two years now (Fields I was a little more surprised by since he did play some at Georgia last year but he's also still learning Day's offense). I think Baldwin will be a great player for us eventually but reps are extremely important for him. Even if Fields wins the starting job in 2019 I hope Baldwin sees extensive mop-up duty time so he can get his feet wet.

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

It's easy to second guess now that the 2018 season is in the books and we know Haskins came through it without an injury, but Martell was the #2 all last year, and he had to be ready to play. Reps for the #3 are just not a luxury many teams can afford.

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Dstacify's picture

Well it's a big reason why I thought the idea of Baldwin starting this season was beyond ridiculous (regardless of what changes the QB room might've gone through). Baldwin hasn't played in a live-action game in almost two years and atm that's a problem. You don't want that kind of rust in your starting QB going into the season if you can avoid it (people will use JT in 2014 as an argument that reps don't matter but JT was also really bad in his first two games in 2014 before he finally started to settle down and play with more laser-focus).

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MDBuckeye2002's picture

Fields ran more than he passed the ball at UGA last season, probably mostly by design but I digress.  The offense will look more like it did under Urbs before Haskins than last season by a long shot.  It opens things up and takes pressure off of the QB to just have that ability to go if things are breaking down or we need 3yds on 3rd & 3.

With the schedule this season, I can see both getting time every game and I believe no matter who starts the other will get more time than Martell got last season.

"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."

Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987

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BrutusB's picture

They both showed plenty of room for improvement.  I think it would have been weird to look at either one and proclaim him the starter.

On the flipside, Day might be lucky that one of them didn't go 18/20 with 4 TDs, as then there would have been a ton of pressure to name him the starter regardless of how the rest of Spring went.

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IGotAWoody's picture

Altho last year, Burrows put up better numbers in the Spring Game. But afterward, Haskins was determined to have the better upside.

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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NHBuckeye's picture

I actually like it.  Let them split reps and work with the first team.  Whoever wins the job, God-forbid if he were to get injured during the season, we'd want the second guy to be fully ready.  

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andretolstoy's picture

This right here. Let them split time and call starter the week before the game. 

Again, our worries should be about LBs and DBs. We're fine with either QB. 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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JJBuckeye's picture

Offensive line is of great concern for whom ever is taking the snaps as starter. 

Has anyone thought that coach Day might have already talked to the QB’s and told them who’s number one and number two but are keeping the media and other teams in the dark. Go Bucks

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Buckbuster's picture

Well they both looked like rookies. To be honest I'm missing Dewayne. The whole offense didn't look right. The game left me with more doubt and questions then anything else. Good thing we got a lot of time, because after that performance I'm a little worried.

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ibuck's picture

 The whole offense didn't look right. The game left me with more doubt and questions then anything else. Good thing we got a lot of time, because after that performance I'm a little worried.

Metaphorically:  When mama isn't happy, nobody is happy.

When the offensive line is not good, no one is good . . .

    . . . or happy.

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BuckeyeBoiler's picture

I think JT Barrett was named starter in August of 2014. That worked out okay, so I'm good with this. Yeah, yeah, I know Cardale was named starter in September 2015 and that didn't work out as well...glass half full.

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BuckeyeBen7.7's picture

I heard the other day that nobody, including the players, knew who was starting in 2015 until minutes before the first drive. That’s a horrible mismanagement, not even considering the mismanagement of the situation the rest of the year. Regardless of when we know, as long as the coaches and team know a week or two before the first game, they’ll be alright.

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PhillyNut's picture

But that was after Miller went down with his injury and it was clear they did not have time to adjust the offense for a qb that was primarily a thrower.  Yes, it worked out later in the year but that was after they knew that Jones was their backup and not the 3rd string qb and so I am sure they made adjustments throughout the season in practices in the event Cardale had to become the primary qb.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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JimmyVanP's picture

not that year but the following year when we already knew what jt and cardale could do

"I feel ready for whatever awaits me on the other side. I don’t fear adversity. I don’t fear the spotlight. I don’t fear success. And I don’t fear failure." - Braxton Miller

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45has2's picture

Going with the flow, both need improvement. However, Justin showed more ability to extend a play while Baldwin stared down his receivers. Hence, 2 INTs. There is going to be a big drop off from Haskins either way.

Censores irrumasti.

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buckeye_in_WI's picture

Someone can verify this, but I don't remember Urban officially naming Haskins the starter this time last year either. That worked out OK.

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I'm Ron Burgundy's picture

He did not officially name it, but shortly thereafter Burrow transferred and made it a formality.

It worked out OK because Haskins played a phenomenal injury-free season, and will now be a 1st round pick.  Drawing the same correlation from the current QB situation is not the same.

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buckeye_in_WI's picture

Thanks! Now that you mention it I do remember Burrow transferred not too long after the spring game. Was it in May?

And to clarify I wasn't drawing a correlation that not naming a starter right after the spring game means your QB will have a Haskins type year. That would be ridiculous. I was simply saying it wasn't a problem last year so there's no reason to think it will be a problem this year. You took it a few steps farther than I intended!

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Burrow transferred after he graduated in May. If he had transferred before then, he probably would have had to sit out a year. Coach Meyer probably told him that Haskins, at the very least, was ahead in the starting QB battle and rather than continue to battle Haskins...Burrow chose to go to LSU. 

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letsgobucks's picture

I've been on here screaming since Fields got here that the job should and would have to be earned and not gift wrapped. This isn't xbox and college football at a big time program just doesn't work that way.. at least not at ones that last. Fans/writers laughed when Day said it was a competition and all I could think was what else would it be?? My only hope is one of these competitors (I don't even care which one) improves greatly and takes the job! Go Bucks!

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Bigmarty's picture

Splitting reps with the first team...I remember when Bauserman was getting the vast majority of the snaps when he didn't have the ability that the second team QB had....all those wasted reps haunted us that year.  Here if we keep the QB run and the read option in we have only one choice so this is a strategy decision as well.  When is the right time to make that decision.  The earlier the better IMHO.  Short yardage, for example, will have to be developed separately for each of those 2 QBs and practiced early. 

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Wasn't Bauserman a Senior and Braxton a true Frosh? That could explain why he was given the majority of the first team reps and the opportunity to start. 

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stuckupnorth's picture

Coach speak coach speak coach speak. Saban and Dabo both play super young QBs.Its a washed up phrase so and so ain’t ready. I don’t buy it. He was just saving face.These kids have been playing QB year round since they were eighth grade. The days of playing 3 sports is over.If Day wants a national title better play the best chance to win not the over played youth excuse. Saban took Two freeman/rs freshmen QB to title game Dabo done the same. He will continue to say the same thing all year. It’s fields job and everyone knows it

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BuxLax's picture

Will Fields or Baldwin be better than JT (2014/first year starter)?

I think that's the best bar for expectations. Rely on the defense (gotta believe the talent is there), retooled offensive line, JK steps up (not Zeke but 1,000 plus yards),   

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BuckNutChicago's picture

In this scenario, we need the slobs to perform like SLOBS.  The O-Line in 2014 was pretty robust.

Go Buckeyes!!!

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BuxLax's picture

Sounds like this year - returning only one starter with talented individuals (FR Billy Price !!) but lacking experience

https://www.landgrantholyland.com/2014/4/21/5577978/2014-ohio-state-dept...

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BuckNutChicago's picture

I like that O-Line.  Hopefully I like this year's O-Line just as much! : )

Go Buckeyes!!!

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Tulsinator's picture

If you have watched modern college football you would probably have the same opinion as I that as long as you have the right coach pulling the strings like a Tom Herman, Lincoln Riley, Ryan Day, etc. that really takes the pressure off of the QB to be considtetly great.

Haskins was a special passer, and one we will greatly miss. But if the offensive line and defense step up this year all of our goals can be accomplished even if Fields (or Baldwin) are not quite as productive in the passing game.

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AZbucks77's picture

This is a smart move in my opinion. You make a decision and name a starter now, you run a higher risk of a guy possibly transferring.  If you let the guys compete into fall camp you at least most likely retain a capable backup for a season that may have otherwise transferred, and with our QB depth right now losing the backup whoever it may be would be a huge blow. 

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

Our QB's should be throwing 300.balls per day to our WR group. 33% or 55% are not good enough. Is this on the coaches ? Far too soon to worry but it's clear how great things were this past season.
Blocking the issue ? Fix it immediately.

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hetuck's picture

Better to "repaint the bridge" than "burn the bridge" and lose a needed back up to the transfer portal. I expect Fields to start, but I'd get Baldwin plenty of playing time early because QB injuries happen often. Remember when Clemson lost their star and had a walk on save their bacon because the back up transferred?

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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ibuck's picture

Better to "repaint the bridge" than "burn the bridge"

Nice turn of phrase.

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BigBuckeye1976's picture

I'm NOT trying to be a hater but I wasn't impressed at all with either QB. Luckily this was only a spring game. If they played that bad in the fall then I might be concerned. There's plenty of time to get it fixed

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Steelydan54's picture

Not much separation at QB so far on tape. Coaches don't pick starter by "reading 'stars' or press speculation, but by watching practice and tape. Ryan Day needs to take his time and get this right, because you never get a second chance to make a first impression. It's likely that the job is Fields to lose, but the competition continues, since neither QB separated themselves. Take your time, Coach Day and announce when you are comfortable; we will always find something to be anxious about, so it may as well be the QB 'controversy'. We should win 9 games with either QB; who will get us to 12 is the real question that hasn't been answered to Days satisfaction. 

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

August 31 is still a long way off. The schedule this season is beneficial to the to be named starter getting experience without a high level marquee opponent. Like I said yesterday, Day and the staff have hit numerous home runs, so I definitely have trust in their process.

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Trebor40's picture

They BOTH looked shaky yet I am hopeful that the defense will support this in the beginning and the offense will allow growth for both players because of productivity 

I keep reading how badly our O-Line got beat by the first team line yet isn't the second team D-Line deeper than ever before and if the first team O-Line is that troubled what about the second team!? They seemed to get to Baldwin pretty quickly! 

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McGrind's picture

Great that settles it...Fields it is. Let’s Roll.

Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP

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nickel beer's picture

So, a few minutes later, a reporter followed up ...

The difference between Day and Knight right there, in a nutshell.

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Silver_Bullet's picture

As I've wrote before, gotta keep them hungry.  They have the remainder of spring and summer to get with the WRs and work the playbook.   Granted, they can't be coached, but this extra work will help determine who wins the battle during the fall camp.  Not sure if Day requires the minimum 8 hour monitored workouts per week, but it seems to me they would have the time to meet that minimum requirement, if not more.  Hopefully they spend their time wisely until fall camp starts.

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GV9's picture

I could not be any less worried about the question posed in this article.  

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SpaceCoast's picture

Hopefully the uncertainty is being used as a tool to make them both try harder and get better faster.  Fear (or hopefulness) can be great motivators.

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Cruiser72's picture

I thought Mr. Baldwin looked great, but uncomfortable, the same with Mr. Fields, but to me only one play stood out  98 yards to da house, cool, calm, and collected in the end zone..........  and BOOM !

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AnaheimBuck's picture

You do know that the DB defending on Victor on that play was a "walk-on," right????????????????????????  A very good, experienced DB could have just as easily intercepted that pass and ran it back for a TD, as it was floated high into the air, but on target.

AnaheimBuck

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raiders91sc's picture

Fields didn't come here to run the ball.  This kid wants to be a NFL QB and has been working hard to be that for the last 4 years.  The QB guru he has been working with during the summer isn't teaching him how to rush for 100 yards.

Will tOSU run the QB more this year than last year?  Yes, Haskins couldn't run to save his life.  JT averaged 800 yards a year.  I would expect Field's highest to be maybe 600 yards his 1st year and will continue to fall each year.  

A good poll question would be Fields over/under 500 yards on the ground next year.  If I didn't see the spring game I would say under but after watching that I would say over.  

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tGW's picture

No hugs for Chugs? He's the elder statesman, dammit. Oh well. 

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Kernfan's picture

Yes, the only QB on the roster to start a game (actually 2 when Will Grier was hurt).

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buckeyepastor's picture

If neither has shown enough yet to win the job, then don’t declare either. I expect and hope that one week of fall camp and Day sees that what he needed to see has happened for one of them.  Here’s hoping the QBs make the decision and not the OL.  Day saw them as biggest concern after spring game, and if they are struggling it stands to reason you go with the guy who can do more with his legs when protection breaks down 

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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Buck68's picture

IF the development and the competition are 'continual' while here as a 'student'...

The hope is that each person keeps choosing to continue these ...for life. 

We can 'rest'... when we are 'finished'....for who, running a race... 'finishes', let alone 'wins'... in the middle?

[gotta run... my 'protection' is... 'breaking down'...  LOL   ;-{)}    ]

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Buck68's picture

"Ryan Day...

doesn't go "out of his way"?

From that comparison, literally, means...

we can infer that our Head Coach is, at that snapshot in time, 

'walking his talk'.

IMO that substantively describes the very character trait we say we 'so admire', but...

[always the butt to cover]... don't exactly always recognize... let alone follow.

===>speaking of walk his talk, ... elsewhere here recently someone posted we have entered into some sort of "dead period", probably in reference to 'recruiting'.

This is not what our coaches say about their recruiting.  Therefore, on that death sentence, the sentencer has sentenced himself, not our coaches or players.  And... who is this 'we' the sentencer speaks of?  Must 'we'... 'be me too'?

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Buck68's picture

interesting word choice:  "make a risk" compared to the usual "take a risk".   ;-{)}

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