if we were a fringe top 25 team this past year, i at the very least see us in the top 20 this year.
we would have ended the year higher if we had wesson
Although they amount to no more than click bait, way to early polls are interesting and serve to set expectations.
As to Ohio State, the infusion of new talent will be intriguing but games are not won or loss on paper. Bookmark this thread for review a year from now.
Too much time spent at the North Heidelberg rather than the classroom. SSD 68-72
Preseason polls are worthless but I think 15-20 range is fair. Know what we have already is a solid nucleus but need to see if Carton and Walker take this team up a notch from last year. If they do, I think this team has all the pieces to be more of top 12 team. Only thing I really see missing, assuming we get another big, is a go to scorer on the wing who can slash and create his own bucket. Otherwise, this team was already an elite team defensively and should only improve upon that and the offense for next year.
Side note: surprised Iowa isn't highly ranked let alone ranked in some of these polls. They were for most of the year and return everyone from their rotation except one guy. Got a lot of size and a really good pg in Bohannon.
Iowa is ranked in quite a few of these early lists. And Lunardi has Iowa as a 3 seed.
I play, coach stays. He goes, I go.
LMAO Fran is more likely to have a stroke on the beech than Iowa is to get a 3 seed.
I mean over half of them they aren't. Duaster, SI, athletic and Espn don't have them ranked. So a majority don't have them ranked which is my point. They are rated so low when they were a top 25 team for a majority of the year and return basically everyone was what i was saying. Think that would be a sign for a guaranteed top 15 ranking at least.
They are especially worthless until you know for certain who is declaring for the draft. Anybody putting Purdue in the top 25 now that Carson Edwards has declared is taking a real leap. Remains to be seen who from ttun will declare.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
No consensus opinion is right at this stage.
My random guess is Ohio State is top 20, possibly in the mix for more, but I'll take that game by game.
Hindsight is, and in, 2020
Ohio State is top 20, possibly in the mix for more, but I'll take that game by game.
Watching Virginia and TT last night, I realized that OSU did not have even a single guy like some of the reserves in that game. Not in Hoop Smarts, confidence, poise, shooting, ball handling, or will to win, IMO. If next year plays out like Holtmann's first two, they will get an NCAA invite, but . . .
The Buckeye players have to get a heckuva lot better to get to the Sweet 16. Holtmann is a good coach, who got Butler to the Sweet 16, but OSU players have to "want to" in order to get to the second weekend. And that means a lot of work this off-season.
Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !
I do have to agree. When I was watching the Final Four and even Elite Eight games it felt like I was watching a completely different level of basketball from what we saw from OSU for most of the year (I had to keep reminding myself that MSU lost twice to IU, who we beat twice, lol). I don't know if one off-season and one recruiting class with non-T25 recruits is going to be enough to overcome that disparity, but maybe by 2020-2021 we will see Buckeye team that is at that level if we don't have too much attrition.
the empire never ended
If you toss out the high and low scores - it looks like 15ish is where most people peg them and that sounds about right to me. Solid upper half B1G finish and S16/E8 tourney run depending on matchups of course. With so many new pieces coming in, they could actually do a little worse in the early season OOC (I mean it's hard to top 10-1) but I expect the B1G season to go much better.
I think the guys who have us in the top 10 are being a little generous, but I'd be pretty happy if we were around #15-20 and secured a 4-5 seed.
Makes sense that this will be a ranked team. Carton and Walker are upgrades over CJ at the point, plus another year of Washington. Muhammad in his sophomore year is an upgrade over Keyshawn Woods. A Wesson going into his senior year is another upgrade especially adding Alonzo Gaffney at the 3. Kyle Young into his junior year is an upgrade as well as adding EJ Liddell at the 4. K Wesson heading into his junior year is another upgrade and it remains to be seen who is brought in as his backup. You're looking at playmaking and improved depth at all positions.
This year's squad got ranked way too high way too early. Next year I agree w/ the fringe Top 25 prediction as a floor, w/ Carton and Gaffney as the X factors for the team having a really good year-2nd weekend of the tournament.
Yeah, it's funny after the CBS Classic I predicted we could be the highest ranked team coming out of it - and we were! I think that's when we got to 14. UK and UNC both trailed us, and of course there was the trainwreck that was UCLA.
Losing CJ and Woods might be bigger losses than most people anticipate.
That being said, we are replacing them with CJ and DJ. Every other contributed is returning with a year of experience. Top recruiting class coming in that can make an immediate impact. More quality depth.
I think 15-ish is about right. Fringe top 25 is the floor and as for the ceiling? Well, that’s top 10 and higher. This team could be a good one.
Yeah, next to Kaleb, those 2 guys were probably the most consistent/reliable guys on offense the last half of the season. Thats not to say they were great or super consistent either, but in relation to the other players on the team, they were second and third.
There is reason to be optimistic about Walker and Carton, but until you actually see it on the floor, its difficult to quantify what level of improvement there will be at the lead guard position. Kinda the same thing for the returnees. I don't expect much change in Andre's game and if Young doesn't figure out his shot, his game won't be much different either. The guards/wings are the ones we need to see improvement from as we need to see some consistent outside shooting and improved ability to put the ball on the floor from that group.
We were a borderline top 45-50 team this past year (42, 44, 55 in BPI, KenPom and NET rankings) and in a normal year would not have been NCAA tourney worthy. We don't lose a ton, but as mentioned, probably our 2nd and 3rd best players off that team. We only had 1 guy make honorable mention (1 out of top 25) and none of our frosh on the all freshman team. We add a good recruiting class and transfer who should at least be on par with what we lost and some added depth/athleticism. Yes, the returnees should improve, but so should those guys on other teams, so no reason to act like our returnees are going to improve more than those from other teams. I think a borderline top 25 teams is a pretty reasonable expectation given those factors. Thats not to say a higher ranking is a pipe dream, but I think the top 10-15 talk is more like a ceiling than what should be expected.
I'm thinking we win a Natty next year regardless of the preseason rankings, so yeah, there's that.
Westgate Superbook released the odds to win the tourney, and OSU came in at 80-1. I think there’s some crazy value there potentially. Adding the 3 freshman and Walker could add some much needed depth to the team. Hopefully a couple of them are ready to contribute right away.
20-25 is about right.
Our basketball IQ has to improve though.
The one consistent item that stands out from the last two years is that Holtmann exceeds expectations. If you apply the Holtmann Factor to the current predictions, then it seems very possible he gets at least one, maybe two, rounds further in the tournament.
we are adding two point guards who can actually dribble a basketball and make their teammates better (CJ was very bad, let’s just be honest about it... he was at best a backup SG on a good team)
we are also also adding two wings who can get their own shot and are aggressive
hopefully we add a backup C via the transfer or Diallo route if he hasn’t committed somewhere else yet
plus an offseason of growth for Kaleb, Duane, Musa, and Luther.
this is very much a top 15-20 ranked and sweet sixteen type team
Things are heading in the right direction which is more important than any too early preseason poll.
I think we are a 18-25 team for next year....but if the stars align and guys progress, maybe a top 15 team at the end of the year. I see us making the sweet sixteen....but after Tech this year, you never know in March!!!
The media predictions seem to jive with what I said in another thread in that there are many variables at play for next years team. Player development and PG play are going to be the keys, but just no way know where we will be 7 months from now. My guess would be borderline top 25 team.
Jeff Borzello of ESPN is almost equally high on the Buckeyes, ranking them No. 10
But ESecPN hates The OSU... /s
Can we agree on Sweet 16 or bust? Maybe Round of 32. Carton is awesome.