"“I like the fact that they’re going after it,” Day said"
I do too, coach.
Defense wins spring practices, among other things.
Keep the updates coming...go Buckeyes.
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Great post Hove! I love Days approach and ecceptance to occasional emotional outbursts. First thought was some might look down on it...in this day. It’s football and testosterone! Go win jobs!! Competing.
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they have mentioned a difference in the pace of the practices twice now. More energetic and quicker,but were quick to throw in the "thats not to say that practices were slow" and boring under Meyer but that Day is trying ti make a culture adjustment. Get back to more emphasis on A-B 100% intensity. Basics of competitiveness. He's trying to create a atmosphere of 'a sense of urgency' on every snap and drill.You play how you practice, i know it's corny like 'it all begins upfront' but very true. All champions have that competitive edge.
Craig Krenzel is a perfect example of a champion imo.So were a lot of guys from that 02 team.Cie Grant,Wilhelm, Petersen etc etc. I think Krenzel would have ran this offense very well,he was a pretty good college QB.Doesnt get the recognition he should have as a passer.Is he better because he had a WR with over 1k in yards?Tressel didn't smarten up about offense till his last few years. It sells recruiting. Very important for recruiting enthusiasm. I really hope Fields is the real deal.
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If that’s the case I’m all for it. And you can take me back to that championship year any time you want! Great team!!
Doss and Jenkins too
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I like the fact that they're going after it also, but their is a difference between pushing and shoving types of scuffles and throwing punches!!! To me that shows lack of control and usually winds up costing the team at some point in the season. Discipline people, Discipline. Play hard and tough A to B and 4-6 but also use your brain.
Yeah I would be kinda cautious abut the punch throwing also. That can turn out to be more than a one time thing easily. That and Damon Arnette was the cause of a lot of 15 yrd pens last year. Cant have that this year.
Discipline people, Discipline. Play hard and tough A to B and 4-6 but also use your brain.
Totally agree. You don't have to throw punches or do other dumb stuff. It's football after all, not boxing. Be an Orlando Pace. Dominate in your role.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
Hopefully Arnette can leverage this emotional energy toward taking a step forward on pass coverage this season.
Exciting times!!!!! What a bright future!
Goodness Harrison is a monster.
Definitely like what I'm hearing about Myers. And Harrison seems like he's coming along nicely too
Just wait for the Kraken to be unleashed, Harrison is going to kill someone, lol. Dude is a monster. Can you imagine had we not got it done with him and had to play against him the next 3 years? Gives me nightmares just thinking about it.Been awhile since we had a "must get" recruit like TP became late in the recruiting process. Harrison was a "must get" the whole time, moreso once Meyer retired.
Great write up! Lots of info!
Baron feels like an outside backer to me, but what do I know. Just reminds me of Cie Grant and/or Sabino. Anyone else?
"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody
I feel like browning should be Mike when it's the bullet and two LBs, and he should be OLB when its base 4-3. That's just me tho
Yeah but didn’t he even comment himself he was comfortable outside? I thought I read that a few weeks back...
Yeah. When the bullet is in, the Mike basically becomes an OLB tho
I'm sure Harris was beating Arnette like a drum. Most WRs do.
I have a friend whose son was a preferred walk-on O-lineman at Toledo. His personal trainer told him that a walk on HAD to get noticed in practice and the best way to do that was to get into fights in practice. He was on scholarship by the time he was a Soph, and a starter his Junior and Senior years.
This is such a dumb comment. Arnette is just a talkative emotional player, so was Roby, so is Shaun wade. Unnecessary cheap shot at Arnette (who is still running with the ones)
Right - arenette is such a scrub that he has essentially been a starter or has seen significant playing time at #DBU for what will be 3 years, and unless he takes a step back this year will most likely be playing on Sundays next year.
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There is a difference between that and being dirty. Slamming a dude to the ground because you got beat is BS. Hes a redshirt senior ffs. He should be better than that
Arnette holds the Ohio State record for most pass interference penalties by a mile. He should be playing safety of in a defense that plays mostly zone coverages.
Actually Reports were arnette was shutting Harris down and has looked great at practice
I cannot get enough of this. There are some really great things going on this Spring. I love to hear how well Myers is doing at Center. I have a feeling our rushing offense is going to take a big step forward this season.
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Five-star running back prospect Kendall Milton watched the entire practice as part of his visit to Ohio State. He spent some time talking with Dobbins, Tony Alford and Day.
Once again, I really think Day has preserved if not strengthened the Culture at tOSU. It shows w recruits like Milton. Dobbins talking to him after practice is likens to the stories of how the Big 3 WRs that just left, would “take in” kid’s like Olave on their visits. Go Bucks!
With Borland out, Baron Browning took most of the first-team reps at middle linebacker on Friday. Malik Harrison also took some reps at middle linebacker with Browning at weakside linebacker; co-defensive coordinator Greg Mattison said Friday that those two positions have to be interchangeable. Pete Werner also lined up with the first-team defense at linebacker; on the second-team defense, Dallas Gant and Teradja Mitchell played weakside and middle linebacker positions, and K’Vaughan Pope was strongside linebacker.
So there's been a lot about this "Bullet" position. I was under the assumption we'd only see 2 LBs, 2 Safeties, and the Bullet...but now we're back to 3 LBs with Middle, Weak and Strongside. I think it was Day or Mattison who said they're going to adjust their personnel to what type of offense they are facing, and this paragraph would suggest that. Against a pro-style offense like Wisky, I'd expect 3 traditional LBs. Against the Nebraskas and Purdues, I'd expect 2 LBs and the Bullet. With the prevalence of the spread though, I think it's fair to assume the "Base" defense will be the 4 2 5 look with the Bullet being the extra DB in the box.
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I think we're going to be running like a 4-2.5 to a 4-3 at times.
I just see this defense as being multiple. Sometimes we'll see a traditional 4-3 set with 3 linebackers, and others it will be heavier with DBs and that bullet position will be the swiss army knife in the back end that has to be ready to move up and stuff the run, blitz, or drop into coverage.
I think it's setting up to present a fast defense with a ton of personnel packages and guys fluidly moving from one spot to another.
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Agree completely. I think this is the exact opposite of last year, when the base personnel was what we were going to see no matter what the opponent was doing and why it also seemed so easy for opponents to gameplan accordingly and have success. To Schianos credit, he’d usually adjust at halftime, but no reason it should take that long to figure it out.
I think this is correct. Greg Mattison said as much today: "We can go a whole game in Bullet, and at the same time we can go a whole game in regular."
They want to have options on defense, whether it be a normal 4-3, a 4-2-5 with a Bullet or a 4-2-5 with a nickel.
I don't know if it was intentional, but 4-2.5 is a good way to refer to the Bullet - half LB, half DB.
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Yeah, that's what I was going for. It's not quite a 4-3, and it's not a straight up 4-2-5, it's like a 4-2.5-4.5 with the "bullet" being that extra .5 for both ends of the defense. Whoever mans that spot is going to have to be versatile, and have quick reactions to play development.
I think they're experimenting with a lot of different looks this spring, but for what it's worth, they've had three traditional linebackers on the field – sometimes also with a Bullet and just one deep safety – more often than not in the practices we've seen this spring. I think there will definitely be some 4-2-5 looks with two linebackers, the Bullet and two safeties, but I think the notion that the Bullet is replacing the Sam linebacker – which, honestly, was what I thought was happening at first, too – is not accurate. I think we'll still see a good amount of traditional three-linebacker looks this season, most likely with Pete Werner at Sam linebacker (and Brendon White at safety). As you suggested, how many they use three traditional linebackers vs. two linebackers could vary greatly based on opponents' schemes.
Thanks Dan. I think, hope this lets us, the linebacks play faster. Might really help a guy like Werner.
Almost seems like Baldwin is being completely written off. Not one word on how he looked, or if he made good or bad throws. I would like to read more about him, and not just Fields.
Baldwin is probably a better passer than Fields. Maybe not the "live arm" but my gut tells me he's a more instinctual thrower. I don't think Fields has the anticipation and gift of reading defenses that elite QB's possess. I could be wrong but this is my feeling as of now.
I believe many are in for disappointment if they expect Justin Fields to keep the passing game at the level Dwayne Haskins had it. Dwayne is truly gifted at reading defenses, leading WR's and having a feel for the timing of the passing game.
Forecasting Justin Fields to be a combination of Haskins' arm, paired with Braxton's legs is irresponsible and reckless.
What do you even have to base this off of? If Baldwin was a better thrower, we would have been hearing about his throws and hearing about him taking more first team reps, but he hasn't. I think you're severely underestimating Fields arm.
I'm not underestimating Fields arm, his arm is great. I'm just not sold on his eyes. I'm not sure he's fluent in reading coverages and comfortable analyzing the finer complexities of the passing game in split seconds. His arm is great.
We are just curious as to why you think Baldwin is any better at any of what you brought up.. At least we have some college footage of Fields to base some semblance of an opinion on. As far as it being just a gut feeling, it kind of says a lot about what the reason probably is.
As for him being “written off” I’m sure that’s not the case, but I’m also sure Fields will be the starter unless he royally screws things up either on or off the field in some way.
Dronebuck, wtf? Lol
There is absolutely nothing that we have seen to suggest that Fields doesn't have 'good eyes.' In fact, with little actual footage to analyze, Fields has been given more positive reviews about his ability to see the field than Baldwin - and by a super bowl winning QB. Go look up what Trent Dilfer had to say about Fields after the elite 11 competition. The PROFESSIONAL QB analyst essentially equated Fields' recruitment to a sweepstakes for a national championship.
You can go off 'gut feel' all you'd like, but there are professional opinions that disagree strongly with your gut.
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From the practices we've seen, I think they've been fairly close as passers with Fields slightly ahead, but I don't think either of them is at Haskins' level right now. Doesn't mean they can't get there, but I think anyone expecting either quarterback to pass the ball at the same level as Haskins is setting themselves up for disappointment. Haskins is a special talent who had the best passing season statistically in Ohio State history, and it's going to be tough for anyone – no matter how talented – to perform at that level, especially right away.
I'd also agree that Fields shouldn't be compared to Braxton Miller as a runner, because Braxton was a special playmaker in that regard, but he does offer a lot more as a runner than Haskins did.
Damn! Now that’s good insight, observations from you guys! I’m liking this info!!
Maybe not the "live arm" but my gut tells me he's a more instinctual thrower. I don't think Fields has the anticipation and gift of reading defenses that elite QB's possess. I could be wrong but this is my feeling as of now
You probably should get your gut checked. Gut health and all
Probiotics and so forth.
I have no clue who is better, I was just wanting closer to equal coverage on both Qb's.
I want more info on Baldwin as well, but it sounds like practice is only open for a portion of the full period, and if Fields is running with the 1s, then most of that time will be with him under center.
that's at least my understanding based on the articles (not just this one but the others posted over the last 10 days as well)
I get that. Unless I read it wrong though, the media got to watch the full practice. This article goes on to say they alternated reps with the first team. We get info on how Fields performed but not Baldwin.
Your not gonna get equal coverage if Fields plays more than Baldwin in practice.
That's fair, but it would be nice if they could at least give us a sentence about his performance. About the most I've read on Baldwin lately is Dan Hope's comment about Fields being slightly ahead as a passer. I'm dont need an essay on each quarterback but it would be nice to read something from the people who were there about each. All we get is that Matt participated.
That's fine and all, definitely respectful of you. But there's a reason that a walk-on WR is getting more article space then Baldwin. I'm all for complete coverage, but if Baldwin were performing noticeably as good as Fields - we would be reading about it.
Sometimes it's more about what isn't being said then what is. Including Baldwin in the write up is mandatory, the writers here at 11w are very good and have always had a sense for what should be included in articles. Read between the lines, Fields is the starter - period.
What isn't being said is usually speculation. I try not to dabble in such things. I have little doubt Fields will start, but we get lots of coverage repeatedly on players we know wont start.
That was probably the most indepth report we've had on either guy throwing. Probably going to be growing pains with Fields first half of the year. Yet knowing Day won't run his QB 20 times a game does make me feel better. The coaches have to get these guys ready to play thats all.
How do you think there is going to be equal coverage? Every practice report has essentially said that Fields is taking only first team reps. Obviously if he's out there with the first team more he will be talked about more in the practice reports.
Gut feeling? You mean like an implicit feeling that....say gives you this sense of bias toward one player and against another not based on anything objective or performance whatsoever that you’re expressing? That kind of gut feeling?
check out "lettermans row" -they give fair coverage of the qbs. said baldwin had a couple early incompletions today but threw some great deep balls for some long tds. there was more; but, i can't accurately remember it all.
Almost every outlet but 11W talked about Baldwin today. He had 2 deep TD passes. I have honestly started to follow lettermen row more than 11W
I like the insight I get from LR, I just wish they had a similar community.
I agree 100%
I too follow/read LR. I got sucked in by the podcasts of Beanie and Boom. Overall I consider it a good solid source.
Yeah, they are just missing the banter we get here. For the most part, I enjoy the people here. No one has much to say over there.
Agree. 11W has been madly in love since January. Too bad because they haven't been able to give complete coverage. I think LR has done a better job of that on the QB stuff.
I wish Arnette would have left.That is my only regret about this team heading into the new season. The starting corners should be Okudah & Wade with our young crop of DB's getting some reps also, instead Shaun Wade is now floating aimlessly all over the Defense with no clear home carved out in the secondary. This means he is not sharpening his cover corner skills all day everyday like he should be.
Arnette is a punk thug swaggy gangsta wannabe. He's a liability that's constantly targeted on 3rd and long because the opposing coaches and quarterbacks know he'll panic and grab, draw flags & move the chains. Rant over... Sigh.
"Arnette is a punk thug swaggy gangsta wannabe."
Where did you get this from?? You dont even know the kid.
I've got my reasons.
I'm guessing your not sharing those reasons because there is no validity to them.
It must be another one of those gut feelings
I'm thinking DroneBuck is a Drone.
Not a fan of arnette as a player and the slamming of Saunders was bs, but dronebuck went too damn far.
I don't agree with this take. I think he is aggressive in the run game and has potential. He had a new DB coach last year and maybe Hafley can help this kid. I don't think it was a surprise that our corner play regressed after Coombs left.
I mean, I was frustrated with Arnette a lot last year, he was good against the run, but too many flags for PI and contact downfield.
However, that doesn't mean I'm in a position to critique his character, and unless you're his mama, you're probably not either.
I think you should rethink the way you conceptualize these young men. If he were that kind of person I don't think the staff would've wanted to keep him.
Hell my takeaway was Woidke. Kid’s a walk-on right? Nothing wrong w a little fire....
“We have to play with emotion, we can’t let emotion play with us. Otherwise, it’s going to cost us 15 in a game,” Day said. “So while we’re trying to create energy and create that environment, I think it’s a good thing. If it starts to get over-the-top and get reckless, then we’ll put a stop to it. But as we get closer to the preseason, that stuff will start to calm down a little bit.”
Furthermore I’ll add this quote is another example of Day’s poise and overall readiness to lead this team. Shows he’s got a grip on what’s going on around him.
Please ditch the fucking "thug" term. It's bad enough alone, but when you pair it with "gangsta wannabe", it's straight-up racist.
It was a stupid comment by him, but let’s go easy on the raaacism accusations, please. There are other sites where you can virtue signal.
When you say a young black man is a thug and a gangster-wanabee and you don't know him personally at all, it is racist. It isn't "virtue signaling."
Poor logic. It could be racism or it could something else. Don’t assume things you don’t know.
Okay to you, too, pal. Given how much you know, I’m surprised that I’ve never read an insightful comment from you. Maybe next time.
I see the point you're trying to make. I'm not saying the OP is racist; the comment was. There's no way to read a "punk swaggy thug gangsta wannabe" comment (or however it read) about a black male any other way.
Well, one obvious exception is that countless African Americans have made snap judgments about other black guys using language similar to what you are objecting to, based on appearance, body language, etc. Again, stupid and reckless, but not in such cases examples of a racist person and/or racist words.
I can think of other exceptions, too, but I really just think this site should be a safe space from woke people intuiting racism from stupid sports takes. If there is overt racism, the mods should certainly crack down mercilessly. But let’s leave the calling out of microagressions to other sites much better suited for such projects.
It will all get worked out on the field, just like it does on the streets.
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The comment made in this context is clearly racist. Whether the commenter is or not may be up for debate. But what we know is that one way to tell if a person is racist is if they say racist things. Another way is when a person defends or dismisses racist comments. Not the only ways to tell but certainly good evidence.
It’s racist even tho I’m calling for Shaun Wade to take the reps? Lol. If I were racist wouldn’t I hate Wade (assuming I’m white?)
It’s not like calling for Aaron Craft to play instead of Arnette... The race police would be all over that, since all they see is color.
I’m not going to agree with the character assessment but everything else you said is completely true. Arnette isn’t going to make it in the league if he can’t go 5 minutes without getting flagged for PI in college and he isn’t helping the team by holding Wade back and making him float and then punching a kid three years younger than him. Maybe try being a leader or work on your cover skills rather than punching a kid because you’re getting punked every play in practice Dame.
Even if Bowen doesn't win a starting job, his versatility makes him he so valuable on the OL.
Yep. He's one of the most important players on the team imo, even if he doesn't start.
Does anyone know if he's graduating, and therefore eligible to grad transfer? (Not that I've heard so much as a whisper that he would be inclined to do so.) I'm kind of glad that Jackson doesn't arrive until summer, so that even if Bowen is behind NFP (or Alabi) at RT after spring practice, he can't also be trailing Jackson at G.
All the tention and frustration boiling over. See even the Buckeyes can't wait for GoT April 14!
Wait I meant the spring game April 13;)
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Wow, no comment yet on 'Lloyd McFarquhar'? Really?
Lol, I had to watch that twice to see if it was a “real” playa! Good stuff!
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Hope all the positive comments on the oline carry over. I think it is a real plus that the newer players are not getting destroyed by the defensive line every time and like hearing that NPF is doing well enough that they are able to move Bowen around more including back into the guard position for some plays. Hopefully the oline will be the surprise of the team. Whether it is Fields or Baldwin it is going to help them tremendously if the line is solid and deep.
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That’s a great take Philly. This unit is getting stronger every day.
How does Harrison simultaneously look bigger than the other DEs but also skinny? I can't wait to watch him destroy offenses in 3 years.
Wonder if he's on the Bowen diet.
Or be in on 2nd or 3rd and long with Young. They are both quicker than any OL they will face. It will take a great linemen with good hands and feet, likeJoe Thomas, to stop them. Or slow them.
Arnette had a great practice from what I understand.
Hes a redshirt senior. He should know how to look good in practice by now
Nothing like a defensive tackle that runs the hundred faster than Zeke.
Kind of concerned I haven’t read anything on the defense working on leverage and proper angles and tackling technique... esp with Pryor practicing at deep safety and Whint at Bullet. Poor angles and tackling, poor gap discipline, and leverage killed this team at times last year.... just look at What Ash did by emphasizing it... terrible defense cost us a shot at the Natty year before... and then boom we’re holding the trophy. I hope there is a massive focus on this... otherwise I see major disappointment on that side of the ball despite all the talent.
I agree with your sentiment, but keep in mind that Eleven Warriors only sees a small portion of practices. I would say it’s no coincidence that the entire defensive staff save Larry Johnson was fired. Long way of saying that the staff likely only shows us the interesting part of practices. We won’t know until kickoff, but I have a hard time believing that Coach Hafley for example is not teaching stance, looking for the ball, playing the ball in the air, hand fighting, etc.
Great write up and really gets the blood pumping with all the potential this group has.
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They’ve got a lot of athletic guys in the front 7 of that defense. No reason we can’t have a top 10 defense this year. Good to hear Jean-Baptiste is coming on. He’s a great athlete, just needed to add some weight and get coached up a bit. After Malik Harrison I’m excited to see who emerges as the other starters. Guys like Gant, Mitchell, Browning, Werner, etc. Again, we’re really deep there. No excuses if we don’t have an elite defense
Absolutely love this!! I hope Harris humbled Arnette, personally I don't think he’s that good. Decent at best.
“SWING!....... SWING!!........ SWING!!!!!!!”
"...but that will change with Fields behind center." QB that is a double threat is hard to guard!
Not sure if anyone can confirm or deny this, but starting to hear on different outlets that fields is actually starting to pull away from Baldwin.... that Justin is finally starting to show why there is so much hype surrounding him... which, if is true, I think is a good thing... it seems like ever since spring break, he came back and really started to show that “elite” talent that everyone talked about... good confidence builder as well as settling down a little bit... good things to have heading into summer workouts... not taking anything away from Baldwin, I hope he is still out there battling as if he has a chance to win the job