Ryan Day: No Frontrunner in Ohio State Quarterback Competition Yet As Staff Begins to Analyze Statistics of Justin Fields, Matthew Baldwin

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The Buck Guy's picture

If he doesn't see any real difference in the skills of the two QBs so far, I'd think that should put Baldwin in the lead with his experience and knowledge of the offense.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

However, if you read the portion about Fields and how he earned the right to have his black stripe removed, in 8 or 9 practices he's already "sort of" (to whatever degree that means) picked up the offense and is running it.

I just really hope they name the guy before fall camp starts, I don't know if that's a residual effect from me with the history of QB-Geddon in 2015, but I feel like it will truly help whoever the #1 guy is to know that he's the guy and can get in a groove.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Fields early enrolled at UGA. He's been in a college football program for over a year, played in 12 games at UGA. I would’ve been disappointed if he hadn’t had his stripe removed by now.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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buckeye1964's picture

agreed. the stripe would have been a bigger deal had he been a true freshman.

danny

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Buckeye_bob's picture

Fields may be doing fine, but this might be an indication of just how good Matthew Baldwin is? From the film that I saw and Day has confirmed he has an arm comparable to Haskins but is way more athletic. I think that it is terrific that we have 2 guys capable of leading the team and I don't expect to have a starter named until fall camp. Why would you name the starter in the spring?

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BrutusB's picture

I suppose things could be different with Day, but the black stripe thing was always a crapshoot as to whether a guy was actually going to get meaningful playing time. I wouldn’t read too much jnto that. 

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

 the black stripe thing was always a crapshoot

Thats no lie! Today’s “nail on the head” comment. 

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Coaches rarely state who the starter is early on in the process (unless a QB is a returning starter). It would be a huge shock if Fields isn't the starter on "Day One" (pun intended). 

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huffdaddy's picture

If he doesn't see any real difference in the skills of the QB, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

We don't know whether Day is a great program CEO or head coach yet. But we do know that he has mastered the art of totally absurd and not credible coach speak. 

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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CincyBuck's picture

Bingo.  This is exactly what one would expect Coach Day to say at this point, regardless of whether it's true.  There's nothing to see here. 

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buckeye1964's picture

apparently kirby smart didn't see it.

danny

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Buckeye_bob's picture

Baldwin is a player! Fields might have the chrome, but Matthew Baldwin can throw the ball and is more athletic than Haskins, this is great for Buckeye fans.

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

I think if both QBs are more or less equal, you want to give the starting job to the QB who's most likely to transfer if they have to sit (probably Fields) 

That sounds awful, but with QB depth as thin as it is, you can't risk us only having two scholarship QBs. 

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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Palm beach Ohio's picture

A few thoughts.

Is there an upside to Fields keeping his black stripe. Don’t you want him to have his leadership qualities observed sooner than later? Point is it was coming off regardless in this particular instance.

Since when do coaches have to make playing time decisions based on whether an athlete “might” transfer if not given what he views as enough playing time?

Wait, I forgot about the new NCAA free agency program! S

West Palm Buckeye

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Silver_Bullet's picture

Well, he could have a very good idea who will start, but won't announce to allow the competition to continue into fall camp.  Gotta keep them all hungry so they continue to make improvement.

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Kevdaddy8's picture

Hmmm...don't see it that way.  How about the fact that after over a year in this specific system Baldwin can't separate himself from a guy that has fewer than 20 practices under his belt while learning a brand new system.  When framed this way looks like Fields has already closed any gap and given more time will easily surpass Baldwin.  Now, this may be because Baldwin is recovering from an injury but from the neck up Fields seems to be EASILY catching and equaling Baldwin.  Bigger upside therefore looks like it goes to Fields.

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Kevdaddy8's picture

Oops. Double post.  My bad.

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BuckeyeDevil's picture

The last paragraph kind of says it all for me. He’s been able to run the offense with very few reps already. Add to that losing his black stripe so quickly. Fields wasn’t brought in to ride the pine.

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

I don't think they are going to wait too long to call this.  Sometime between the Spring Game and the beginning of fall camp Fields is going to be named.  

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Day is going to name Fields the starter after the spring game and before fall camp starts? Sometime during a period when schools can’t work out their own players? I predict that if he doesn’t name the starter within a week after the spring game, he won’t name one until after fall camp begins.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

Yep, I think it will happen.  Day is smart enough to see what taking a QB battle into fall camp can do.  Cardale has brought a lot to light about what it did to them and how they played to not make mistakes instead of playing to win.  The only way the battle goes into fall camp is if Baldwin is doing that well that there truly isn't a difference.  But I think this is another small tweak that Day will make to build his own program.  He is going to say having a guy going into the season with a full fall camp under his belt and full confidence will lead to a lot better start to the year.  He isn't going to drag the battle until game 1 like Meyer did just to try and psychologically get both guys competing harder.  It's pretty obvious it didn't work before.

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buckeye1964's picture

meyer didn't "drag the battle" last year. joe burrow transfered after he was told the situation. and why would you not name baldwin the starter at the end of spring if he's the guy doing the best overall? sounds like you're wanting to do the same with fields that meyer did with barrett - give him the job and don't let anyone have a chance to compete.i want the guy who is playing better to be the starter - and if it's baldwin, he should be the guy.

danny

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

You are talking a year behind.  I'm talking about Meyer dragging the Jones/Barrett situation until game 1.  The QB's literally didn't know who was taking the first snap as they were warming up for the game.  I'm not talking about last year.  Meyer liked to use psychology to raise competition.  It worked a lot, but with the most important position on the field, the guy that touches the ball every snap, you have to give a guy fall camp to run with the 1's and get the majority of the snaps.  Confidence to go make plays at the QB position is how you win.  Worrying about throwing one incompletion on a 3 yard out that will cost you your job is just not effective.  You are handicapping your production.  I don't care if Chugnov wins the job, just let someone have a full fall camp to know the offense.  We have two very recent examples of how this has worked out:

Jones/Barrett:  A team that seemed like they would walk to a NC underperformed, both QB's had terrible showings, and have said that they played so tight knowing that one play could cost them their job.

Haskins last year on the other end of the spectrum, he was given the job and went through fall camp knowing he was starting, we know what he did.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Jones/Barrett was a totally different situation than this one. Barrett was coming off a broken ankle and Jones just led the team on an astounding three game run to the National Championship the year before.

Baldwin has never taken a snap in a college game while Fields has already done so at Georgia. 

I don't think that Haskins was officially named the starter until during Fall camp. Burrow transferred because Meyer wouldn't officially name him the starter and Martell's name was being mentioned as a possible starter throughout Fall camp. 

I am sure that the coaches know the pecking order already and I think that the starting QB job is Fields' to lose. 

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

That's kind of my point.  Baldwin I believe is a great QB from everything I have read, but right now he hasn't played a real snap since like early in his senior year of high school.  Fields at least has college game experience.  Baldwin's situation is unfortunate.  Had he come into OSU healthy things might be different.  By now he would have played some garbage time and had game experience.  

And I agree, the coaches know the pecking order.  And I don't think Day would be playing favorites by announcing Fields as the starter early.  Baldwin is Day's guy...if anything it would show that Day is going to play the best option.

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buckeye1964's picture

" Fields at least has college game experience" - coming into games up 20+ points against cupcakes??? you really think that means anything?

danny

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

I mean it's better game experience than the alternative being a guy who hasn't taken a live snap since fall of 2017.

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TXBuckeye53's picture

"Early in his senior year?" Dude played up until December 22nd in the State Championship game when he fell on the first play. I'd say he played most of his senior year, playing Class 6A, Division 1 ball in Texas.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

He isn't going to drag the battle until game 1 like Meyer did just to try and psychologically get both guys competing harder.  It's pretty obvious it didn't work before.

What's happened most recently is what's most relevant and that's Haskins v. Burrow, who announced within a couple weeks of last year's spring game he was transferring (on May 9, to be exact). He was also immediately eligible to play somewhere else; Baldwin is not and I cannot see the NCAA giving a player immediate eligibility simply because he lost a position battle in spring practice. There has to be some sort of cutoff. And while Joe likely learned a lesson from JT/Cardale getting hamstrung, there's absolutely no evidence Meyer was going to do that again simply because he left before Meyer had a chance to do that.

Moreover, Day wasn't even around in 2015 so you're way of base trying to hang the JT/Cardale laundry on him. That's entirely on Meyer, Warinner and Beck. 

I'm not suggesting Day should play games but if he names Fields the starter and Baldwin transfers, we're left with a 5th year grad transfer and a walk-on for depth. It's in the team's best interest that they're both still battling to be the starter when fall camp opens.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

Where in the world did I even hint at, let alone say that the JT/Cardale situation was on Day?  I'm saying Day will learn from Meyer making that mistake and not do it to his starting QB.  

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Yuman's picture

No way a starter is named while the  team is not practicing. The team will not practice between the spring game and start of fall camp. 

Rlc

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Trebor40's picture

My issue is did the staff only quote what Day had to say about Fields - while Baldwin is simply a backdrop to Fields or is Day only talking about Fields and Baldwin has not generated any real interest or significant impression! 

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Hovenaut's picture

Not unexpected, as I'd think Baldwin still has a leg up on Fields when it comes to a fuller understanding of the offense and acclimation with the system.

We'll get a better idea live in the spring game, and then some clarity by fall camp for sure.

Offseason QB battles are so passé...

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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NOBLUE's picture

looks like another transfer coming next year ...a la joe burrow..

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CincyBucksFan's picture

I doubt it, burrow had to transfer or he was gonna run out of eligibility.  Baldwin is coming off an ACL tear and redshirted last year, so if Fields stays for two years before going pro, Baldwin can start as a redshirt junior.  After seeing how Dwayne’s draft stock exploded in just a year of starting, I doubt he wants to jump ship even if he doesn’t win the job as a RS freshman

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buckeye1964's picture

what about fields. if he fails to win the job at a second school - does he throw a fit and transfer.....AGAIN? maybe he can join tate down in miami - wouldn't that be ironic?

danny

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OSU069's picture

What was the point of this comment? 

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Turfgrad's picture

Don't make me come down there!

"I think Alabama would beat Ohio State if they played next weekend!" Clay Travis Fox Sports Post Championship Show 1.12.2015.  Needs no explanation.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Burrow had two years of eligibility left when he transferred, meaning he could have played one year as the possible starter had he stayed behind Haskins. Fields will be here at least two years, maybe three, meaning Baldwin will be in the same position as Burrow was.

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buckeyepastor's picture

I think the “tie breaker” in all of this is who they see having the higher ceiling as a player.  Last year, it seemed that Burrow and Haskins were very close talent wise and Burrow had edge in experience but Haskins had higher ceiling.  And Haskins was named the starter and shattered records. 

Also, whoever is named starter needs to have the confidence and faith to handle Buckeye nation calling for the next guy if he has a couple bad games. 

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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buckeye1964's picture

i don't see how that would be possible - it seems "buckeye nation" is brainwashed into thinking fields is it, regardless of how he performs in spriing/fall camp. AND, this is the same group of armchair experts that were on this very site saying joe burrow has to be the starter over haskins - and we know how that turned out. 

btw - after watching both qbs last year - do you REALLY think haskins and burrow are "very close, talent-wise"? i never saw that then and don't think it now.

danny

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CincyBuck's picture

it seems "buckeye nation" is brainwashed into thinking fields is it

I don't think one needs to be brainwashed into thinking Fields will have the job.  He has extraordinarily rare talent.  This has been the case long before he donned a Buckeye uniform.  Nothing's 100% certain until it happens.  But it's a pretty darn good bet that Fields will win the starting role.

this is the same group of armchair experts that were on this very site saying joe burrow has to be the starter over haskins

I remember it being the exact opposite.  Several people gushed over the raw talent of Haskins, while a vocal minority expressed hope that the versatile, Ohio-born Burrow, winning the competition.  Though I do agree that there was a bigger talent gap between Haskins and Burrow than the coaching staff led on last spring.  (Hint: they could be doing the same thing, here).

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Kevdaddy8's picture

Dude.  There is literally no objective football basis for Baldwin over Fields at this point.  Baldwin has 0 college game experience and no serious analysis equivocates high school playoffs with even mop up D1 game reps.  If you intend to stand on high school acumen then Justin blows Baldwin out of the freaking water there too seeing that not one recruiting service or individual expert would be willing to put the two in the same category and just the difference in their rankings tells the tale by itself.  For all the time he's had learning the system Baldwin's above the neck knowledge is not moving him significantly (if at all) ahead of the kid that just walked in the door.  As a dual threat, Fields is easily the more dangerous of the two.  Coach Day has clearly indicated that Fields has proven himself capable of leading the team in the short time he's been in the program.  Baldwin's injury at the very least tacitly suggests that he could be dealing with durability issues that to this point Justin hasn't had.  I could go on.  Just get over your Baldwin Boy Bias, this is a done deal.

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buckeye1964's picture

"higher ceiling" doesn't win games.

danny

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CincyBuck's picture

After watching Braxton and Pryor single-handedly bail our collective asses out on numerous occasions, solely as a product of their phenomenal athleticism, I disagree. 

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NOBLUE's picture

looks like another transfer coming next year ...a la joe burrow..

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Buck298's picture

I spot a bot. 

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937Buck's picture

Having not seen Justin Fields play, I’m curious who he compares to as a runner and as a passer. I keep hearing how he’s such an athletic and dynamic runner, but I have a hard time seeing him as fast and athletic as Braxton... So what QB specifically does he compare to as runner, and what QB does he specifically compare to as a passer? 

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Cooper's picture

He’s definitely not Braxton as a runner in terms of finesse and agility, but I would compare him to a quicker and faster straight-line speed version of J.T. Both are stocky guys that can run QB power, but Fields has more potential for breaking the big play.

The thing that separates Fields and J.T. is that combined with his running ability, Fields has been compared to Cam Newton and DeShaun Watson as a passer. The guy can sling it.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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buckeye1964's picture

if fields is so dynamic, why didn't he beat out Fromm at georgia ? he runs slower than haskins.

danny

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

When Fields arrived at UGA Fromm had already played an entire year and took UGA to the playoff and won a game and lost in the NC and they won the SEC East.  You really think Kirby was going to yank him and throw in a true freshman?  Come on.

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WVBuckeye's picture

Why couldn’t Tua beat out a QB (Jalen Hurts) he was clearly better than until he got yanked in the last game of the season? Because you’re not benching an incumbent QB that you’ve had tremendous success with. It just doesn’t happen.

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CincyBuck's picture

Why couldn’t Tua beat out a QB (Jalen Hurts) he was clearly better than until he got yanked in the last game of the season? Because you’re not benching an incumbent QB that you’ve had tremendous success with. It just doesn’t happen.

Nope.  Clearly means Tua is a garbage player.  Alabama should probably cut him.

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BrutusB's picture

I mean, TL stole Kelly Bryants job in like a month. And he had just taken them to the playoffs. And Tua ultimately did take Hurts spot for good. 

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

Both situations were different.  Both were results of the QB in front of them not getting it done.  I watched the first two Clemson games, and Bryant just wasn't moving the offense like he had the year prior.  His stats weren't bad, but the offense wasn't moving.  That's why Lawrence got more and more time, when he was on the field the offense moved.  Tua is the same situation just way later in the year, Hurts was stalling, Saban dropped his balls on the table and said, hey get that Tua kid in the game now.  

Georgia didn't have that happen.  The beginning of the season, 2 out of the first 3 were warmups...blowouts.  Then the games that counted were being won convincingly.  Fromm was getting it done (I don't think Fromm is some amazing QB, I think he benefits greatly out of what has been one of the best running attacks in college football) and they were winning.  Also keeping in mind that Georgia is used to losing 2-3 games per year, so when they dropped one the coach didn't shake the locker room up.

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Feels like JT with a better arm, essentially...runs similarly...has a better arm (though not sure if his arm compares to Haskins' just yet).

Class of 2010.

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Jelligrim's picture

Is it just me or does Baldwin remind anyone of Johnny Walker from "Johnny Be Good"?

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Hovenaut's picture

You mean Gary Wallace from "Weird Science"?

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Hmmm, we shall see. I kind of have Fields in my mind as the starter, but that is just thinking he wasn't brought in as a high profile transfer to signal in plays.

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buckeyeinWI's picture

+1...

Day knows...

GO BUCKEYES!

16-2 is SWEET!

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TXBuckeye53's picture

Fields is the starter. Has been since the day he committed. This game by Day of calling it a "QB battle" is just that. A game. Keeps everyone interested, talking about it. Gives the press a story line. My bet is Baldwin understands that. Good news is Fields is gonna be a great QB for the Buckeyes and Baldwin has shown himself to be a damn good QB as well. Question is what will Baldwin do after Spring ball.

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Trebor40's picture

My issue with this is many on here are mentioning how different Day is regarding concise wording yet when it seems like we are discussing his major decision of QB he (Day) is merely playing games like all the rest! 

I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Fields is the starter. Has been since the day he committed

I’d agree w this. You don’t bring in the highest rated recruit tOSU has ever had and then name him the backup. I’m a Baldwin fan as much as anyone but I’d have to assume Day was/is concerned about his maturity level. He may have the tools in practice but in front of 100k+ fans....according all accounts Fields arm is for real and then you add in his mobility. By not naming a starter [at this point anyway] all QBs are still engaged and competing.  

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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BrutusB's picture

Huh? Fields is the one who transferred teams after a year, claimed he handed the ball off “good as fuck” but it’s BALDWIN that has maturity issues? The guy who hasn’t said a peep in years?

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Relax. Maturity as in real playing time. Not like he’s sitting in a crib sucking his thumb....

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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TXBuckeye53's picture

Yeah, I'd have to disagree with the maturity comment too. Fields is talented, but the "good as fuck" comment wasn't too impressive. Baldwin has shown nothing but maturity throughout this entire process. He's a smart, talented kid. He'll be a starter somewhere, I'm sure. 

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Either way. I’m not saying he’s immature intellectually. Just saying Fields has had real PT and Baldwin hasn’t. 

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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BrutusB's picture

Fields' most extensive playing time so far was when he completed 5 passes and rushed 7 times against UMass, a game UGA won 66-27.  I suppose that's better than nothing, but that's not exactly "real PT".

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CincyBuck's picture

I’m a Baldwin fan as much as anyone but I’d have to assume Day was/is concerned about his maturity level.

I disagree.  I don't think it's inconsistent to think (1) Baldwin has potential to be a good/very good QB sometime in the future, yet (2) bring in Fields because he's one of the most talented high school QBs ever. 

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Trebor40's picture

To put it another way, it appears as if the media coverage is purely questions related to Fields (which makes some sense as stated he is the player taking the vast majority of the snaps when outlets watch) Yet what is the true impression of Baldwin other then as a caricature - white pro style QB who will be back up to uber athlete Fields who throws just like a pro style! 

Now let me emphasize that in my personal best case scenario Fields wins the job and starts the next two years making Baldwin a red-shirt Junior who then starts the next two years which in turn has Miller starting the NEXT TWO YEARS AFTER THAT!!! 

6 years of NFL arm talent with hopefully Ryan Day orchestrating!!! 

I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk

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BrutusB's picture

I don’t really want anyone to wait their turn. Would much rather have the Saban/Dabo approach. If miller comes in next year and looks better than either Baldwin or Fields then give him the job. Earn it everyday. 

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Trebor40's picture

Fair enough, yet that was turned on its head when Saban did not put Hurts in second half of title game!

I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk

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buckeye1964's picture

thanks brutus, someone else on here DOES get it.

danny

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Dabo did that but Saban did not. Saban changed from an ineffective QB at halftime of the NC game, not at the beginning of a season. I am not impressed at this point with either coach now that steroid use at both schools has been exposed. 

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BrutusB's picture

Choo. 

Choo. 

Chugunov. 

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BuckeyeGrove's picture

Not surprising, and I don't think anyone can read much into it this "battle". Baldwin had been said to have impressed a lot of the players last year, but reading between the lines tells me that after Fields gets more practice, he's the definite starter. This is typical spring talk to push a really talented player and keep everyone engaged on offense, while also acknowledging Baldwin's ability and potential.

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Ca114fire's picture

Fields will start. You don't take a 5 star on a transfer and then not start him. It would set a bad precedent that would come back to bite you.

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buckeye1964's picture

wouldn't it set just as bad a precedent to bring in a transfer with a guarantee he starts? what does that tell the players who have been in the system working hard? what sets the RIGHT precedent is "you have to earn the job - nothing is given". anything else and we'll keep being the #5 team in a 4 team playoff system.

danny

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TXBuckeye53's picture

Completely agree, but I think Day gambled and went for Fields. Fields will be great, but the gamble lost him Martell, Matthis and, I believe, ultimately Baldwin. Day has shown that he will have absolutely no loyalty to anyone. That's fine. It may win championships, but kids are NOT going to stick around and wait their turn. There's no such thing in today's transfer happy world.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

We will have to see with Baldwin. He waited until his Senior year at the HS level to start when he could have easily transferred and played sooner at another school. Baldwin will have two years of eligibility left (presumably) when Fields leaves so, if Baldwin is as patient as he was in high school, he could be a two year starter at OSU (or one year and off to the NFL). 

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Steelydan54's picture

Not at all convinced that the #2 QB at tOSU is simply "waiting his turn".  QB's get injured, drive drunk, steal crab legs, all kinds of crazy things....  We will always need a QB1 and 1b and Baldwin (supposedly) will be that guy and not simply twiddling his thumbs and "waiting his turn" or transferring as soon as he can. 

I think a better comparison is Fields to Pryor. Size and speed, but with a Haskins-ish arm. JT did outrun the entire Minnesota team though....

Steelybuck54

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CowCat's picture

TXBuck, what was Ryan Day supposed to do? Recruit a bench-warming QB just to keep Martell and Mathis happy?

There will always be multiple quarterbacks and only one gets to start. 

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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TXBuckeye53's picture

Absolutely not. I'm not saying it was wrong or right, but that was the gamble Day took. And, by the way, recruiting over QBs with a transfer is different than grabbing the best high school QB every year. Again, not saying it is wrong or right. Day surely examined all of the pros and cons with this transfer. In the end, he felt it was worth it and it'll probably be a good one for OSU. But this gamble included likely losing three pretty decent QBs.

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CowCat's picture

I agree with you that transfers are not the same as recruits, but don't think Day made a gamble. Far from it.

We only had Martell, Baldwin, Mathis and Chugunov. Martell hadn't impressed at the CFB level, apart from one nifty pass. Baldwin has potential, but he hadn't played a down, neither had Mathis. Chugunov is a good guy, but he'll likely never start.

In that situation you must shore things up, especially at Ohio State, where the expectations are sky-high. Getting Fields was a no-brainer.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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BUCKfutter's picture

literally no reason to name a starter at this point. he knows very well who it's going to be

the kids are playing their tail off, and the coaches are screwing it up! - JLS

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

I don't believe that Fields would have transferred here if he didn't have some kind of indication that he would be the starter.  This is why I can't buy into this talk of there being an actual competition that Baldwin might win.  Unless Baldwin is really outperforming Fields...of course, you want the best guy to start...but I'm not getting that out of anything I've heard so far.  Sounds like it's just a matter of how quickly and fully Fields picks up the offense.  

Class of 2010.

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Lighteyes's picture

That's always been my belief too. The only way this is an actual competition for Baldwin is if Baldwin is clearly and unquestionably the best man for the job - not "both guys are good", not "well, both guys have good and bad days", but a flat out "yeah, Baldwin is outplaying Fields and no sane person could argue otherwise". Anything short of that and Fields is starting against FAU.

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letsgobucks's picture

I've been very pleased with what I've heard from coach Day regarding this battle. All I've asked for from the beginning was a competition to see who would start and not a position gifted. When I hear coach Day talk about reviewing the completion percentages, that tells me Baldwin is being given a fair chance. I don't believe this is coach speak at all. Please just go with the qb who gives us the best chance to win right now whoever that may be. Your stars are irrelevant when you walk through that door. May the best man win!

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buckeyedownunder's picture

 I expect Fields to eventually win the competition to start. If Day cannot figure out how to get a guy who had the second highest ratings ever as a recruit coached up to run his offense, it will not reflect well and could hurt his reputation as a coach. That in turn hurts his chances of recruiting the next Fields. The one obvious advantage Day has over Urban as a coach is his ability and reputation to coach up and utilize QB talent. Urban never landed the top QBs in the country.  Day can.

That being said, we need to get game experience for Baldwin.  We need a backup who can step in and run the offense without a huge dropoff. Our defense was so horrible last year that our backup QB got very little game action.  I am hopeful that this year's defense allows us to maintain big leads and play more second line players, especially the QB.  You need to have a second QB ready and confident enough to step in and run the offense as we saw in 2014 and a couple times since.

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cpewster's picture

I'm glad there's no leader yet. I know all the hype around Fields, but Baldwin became a 4* qb in just 1 year of starting. That is a major statement in his abilities. It would also scare the hell out of me if Fields came in and in 9 practices was ahead of a guy that has a year under his belt. Not only that but a backup is only one play away from being the starter so you want them both to be good if not great.

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PRO8's picture

IMO Fields wins the job because of what he can do with his feet, all else being equal that will put him on top and it will not be known/announced sometime during fall camp.

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teddyballgame's picture

Baldwin hasn't even played 1 full season of HS ball.  I'd be awfully impressed if he could beat out Fields this year.  I think it's Fields this year (with Baldwin coming in for relief and getting experience) and then Baldwin runs the show next year.

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Turfgrad's picture

Ditto.

"I think Alabama would beat Ohio State if they played next weekend!" Clay Travis Fox Sports Post Championship Show 1.12.2015.  Needs no explanation.

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TXBuckeye53's picture

You people with all the facts about Baldwin's high school career are funny.  I'm a Texas high school football fan and have followed these LT guys. Baldwin played 16 games his senior year. Texas state championships take as long as an NFL season. He played until the first play of the state championship game. As a junior, he played the second half of about every single game of the 16 game path to the state championship, because the LT team that year was crazy amazing.

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Ryan.Honeycutt's picture

Please explain your reasoning... so you are saying fields is going to start as a true sophmore, then sit the bench as a true junior while baldwin plays next year? HUH?!?!

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TXBuckeye53's picture

I'm thinking he believes Fields will go pro after one year, which he cannot do. Baldwin would be expected to sit for two. Not happening.

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Ryan.Honeycutt's picture

I know that’s why I asked why he would think that... are you saying not happening to Baldwin playing next year or sticking around For two years as a back up because of the transfer option

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TXBuckeye53's picture

I honestly don't know, but I think Baldwin might grow tired of being patient, especially after watching other guys who waited around for their turn get recruited over. Not saying it wasn't the right thing for the Buckeyes to do, but it has to be something Baldwin thinks about. Is it worth it to wait? Hopefully, he decides it is. 

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Ryan.Honeycutt's picture

People have to start thinking this is fields job to lose if the one thing Baldwin had to hang his hat on was the knowledge of the playbook, and the head coach himself is saying Justin is a quick learner and picking up the offense and moving the offense (9 practices vs a year in the system) hopefully we will know something by fall camp so Justin, or Mathew can start gel-ing with the 1s and getting as many reps to prepare for FAU... haven’t seen either of them throw but from what the press and players are saying about the new guy, he can spin the rock with the best of them and he is like Braxton, Pryor, JT, and Dwayne mixed into 1... yeah I’ll take that guy under center

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AllAboutBuckeyes's picture

It is going to be interesting to see how this plays out.  Some I have spoken with feel Baldwin should get the start due to having been with Ohio State longer.  Others wonder why, if Fields is so great, why didn’t he start at Georgia.  And if Fields starts and does so again next year, will Baldwin leave.  The transfer portal is becoming the in thing and the NCAA loosening up restricting players from transferring.

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CowCat's picture

IMO it's too early to call, because there are so many variables: Leadership, accuracy, knowing the playbook, arm strength, getting the offense in the right call, responding to pressure, footwork, scanning the progressions, etc.

I don't think we'll know who the starter is until halfway into fall camp.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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