According to Coach K, the NCAA is Not Ready for a Change to the One and Done Rule

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G.'s picture

TL;DR Coach K is a douche

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O H Y O's picture

You just sound like a bitter and jealous hater. How is he a douche? As someone who has read his book, I can tell you the man is extremely intelligent, I mean, he is a West Point Grad. He also genuinely cares about the players he coaches, even after they are long gone. NCAA basketball and even USA Basketball would be worse off without Mike. When have you ever heard of Mike caught up in a scandal in the billion years he's been coaching? None. Just because Duke always wins and everyone loves to hate them you think Coach K is a douche? Ok hater.

Edit: He is literally advocating that players should make money off of their own likeness, who the hell disagrees with that? If some restaurant offered Zion $1000 to go sign autographs for a few hours why not? 

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G.'s picture

TL;DR = O H Y O disagrees

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G.'s picture

What about if Nike bribed Zion to go to Duke? Of course, there's no way Coach K would have any knowledge that it happened. He's only the coach of the team. Coaches don't have anything to do with recruiting and they never know anything about these kids or their families. Coach K probably only knew Zion because of his film, and probably didn't meet him until the day he showed up to practice for the first time.... Of course I could be wrong, and he could have known everything and be a total douche.... But probably not. I mean, he's a West Point grad, and his book doesn't contain anything about him being a douche.

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MN Buckeye's picture

Also getting rid of the one and done rule would mean parody returns to college basketball,

It’s about time.

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PRO8's picture

NCAA BB can be funny at times, like when ttun screws up...

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O H Y O's picture

Parody? Is this sarcasm? What is he even saying? Ya'll say this as if the One and Done's are dominating college basketball. The only thing they are dominating are the media headlines. Look at the final four, none of them are "freshman" teams like Duke. Look at the last few champions, aside from Duke in 2015, and Kentucky in 2012, all of them have been veteran teams. Its almost as if, get ready for this, the one and one scheme doesn't get you championships, but rather recruiting "B" level players out of high school that stay together and develop over four years is the formula for success. 

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

After what I witnessed in that Virginia-Purdue game with the officiating, it's all corrupt as far as I'm concerned. The NCAA should launch an investigation and vacate that Virginia "win". I'd also look at imposing heavy fines and suspension on that particular crew. There seems to be no question that they appeared to be in the tank for the ACC. 

I feel exceptionally bad for those Purdue kids and their fan base. Carson Edwards was on fire.....and to have that game taken away from them was a basketball atrocity. 

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johnblairgobucks's picture

Wasn't able to watch the game, was at a Wrestling booster reverse raffle, last night. So Purdue got screwed, Eh?

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Dstacify's picture

The ACC is to college basketball what the SEC is to football. It's their flagship division.

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tajikey's picture

I watched the end of the game, and it seemed to be called fair to me. Both sides had calls go for and against them. Edwards caved to the pressure at the end with that errant pass. They had plenty of chances to close it out before the end of regulation, but Virginia wanted it more.

Now, if anyone got a break, it was that tall dude for Texas Tech that was out of bounds when he jumped up and swatted the ball back to one of his guys.

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

There was a 4-point swing late in regulation when the UVA player ran over Purdue's kid in the most obvious charge I've ever seen. It was a clear foul and a harder hit than a football play. Purdue had two shots coming and the points scored by UVA should have been negated.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Even the commentators couldn't believe that wasn't called - two hands into the defenders chest and literally shoved him to the ground. They said one of the refs even put his whistle in his mouth and looked like he was going to call the foul before changing his mind.

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

Glad someone else noticed as well. I was in disbelief when that was NOT called as a foul......

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bobsegersilverbulletband's picture

I think the rule should go as quickly as possible. Let the one & doners go to the pros and quit screwing up college bb. Let's see if K & Calipari et al remember how to build a program and develop kids rather than loading up on the best of the best and coasting to conference titles and #1 seeds.

I'll be rooting for Sparty to knock off the Dookies today. Izzo will flourish in the post-one and done era. Not that he has done poorly with the rule in effect.

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stxbuck's picture

Agree-it's good for the game that fans get to see the top freshmen, and the NBA gets to evaluate the development of prospects against higher competition. 3 years ago no one thought Ja Morant, Jarrett Culver, or Zaire Smith would be early 1st round picks, but they blossomed. Other top prospects show that they aren't all that, or clearly need a few years of seasoning in college.

People like Jay Bilas and the talking heads on ESPN want to burn everything down for an extremely small pool of individuals-like 10 or 15 one and done 1st rounders a year, out of 4,000 plus D-1 scholarship players.

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johnblairgobucks's picture

Jay Bilas is a blow hard, and instant sign for me to find my TV remote to change the channel. Something about that dude grates on my brain.

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Kangarooman's picture

Burn everything down? College basketball will go on, just like before the rule.

You think these freshman (who likely have stopped going to class because they dont need to be eligible) should have to give up a year's salary so NBA execs get a year to evaluate talent? Pretty ass backwards.

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stxbuck's picture

Worrying about a year's NBA salary for for roughly .003% of all scholarship hoops players in D-1 is ass-backwards? The .003% should drive everything-b/c that's the amount of hoops players who get drafted in the first round as one and done frosh?

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PRO8's picture

Then why not a two or three and done, it would be good for college BB. It would help the players learn a little, maybe even make something out of their college stays,  we know many will fall flat on their face in life even drafted after one year and then the Pro's can get a real evaluation of talent before paying the big dollars. Or do it the way college BB does .

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allinosu's picture

I think it would be better for the NBA in the long run. I think their viewership would rise as college fans would bond more with players who are around longer. That said, if a kid is good enough out of HS then they have the right to make a living.

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thebraxtonmillershow's picture

Am shocked that you care more about yourself then the players. It doesn't matter if its 1 or 100 players. If they can't make any money off themselves then they shouldn't be forced to play a game for free when they could be making millions. 

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Sanitarian2's picture

I'd favor the three and done rule or age limitation like the NFL has adopted. I believe it's foolish for the NBA to turn down another minor league option that adds strength, weight, maturity and skill to their next crop of employees. Why pay big bucks to have the kids sit the bench for two or three years, mature and have a breakout year just so you get hammered with  a huge second contract. 

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johnblairgobucks's picture

Yeah, a year of hype and marketing for these one and done type players, by basketball media and broadcasts is better for the NBA, financially, than having players ride the NBA pine a year, as they transition into NBA athletes.

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BuckeyeBen7.7's picture

I say let them go straight to the NBA, but if you go to college, you must go for three years. Let guys like Lebron and Kobe who were clearly ready go straight to the NBA, but it also gets rid of the one and done culture.

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rightfield's picture

College basketball reeks of corruption and Coach K , North Carolina ( fake classes) and Calipari are the poster childs of this era of absolute wild, wild west lawlessness. With a NCAA that has no teeth, the rats are playing and “winning”. 

  The players need protected from themselves ( maybe one or two players a year are ready to play against men in the NBA and I doubt it is even that many) but “shelving “ them for a year of Maturity in the college ranks has helped ruin college basketball. 

  It is high time to let the players get paid for their likeness and also encourage the ones that can not handle college to go to the European leagues or G League.

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johnblairgobucks's picture

Calipari, North Carolina, Coach K, Kelvin Sampson, Bruce Pearl, LSU all in the Sweet 16....yeah, I lol thinking about how this happens.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

LSU, in particular, is a problem. They are the team that will leave others weighing the benefits of cheating against what we're seeing as very little risk. How long did Will Wade stick around? 

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allinosu's picture

Letting them get paid for their likeness would further corrupt college sports. Highest bidders would get their talents.

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

Also getting rid of the one and done rule would mean parody returns to college basketball, 

One and done is indeed a parody, but it's not parity.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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macdaddybuckeyesupreme's picture

Ok grammar nazi

Successful people do what they have to, whether they feel like it or not

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

I think you missed his real point. I interpreted his comment as using the inadvertent typo to illustrate how the rule is a joke and does nothing to contribute to the competitive balance of college basketball. 

That's just how I read it. 

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

That's just how I read it.

Correct, 3M. Mac served up an inadvertent pun over the fat part of the plate. Easy Texas League single.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

Ok grammar nazi

As a retired English teacher, I come by that honestly, Mac.

You can thank me later.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

In other words, "I benefit greatly from this rule, and I will not stand for change." 

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NHBuckeye's picture

3M for the win!

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

Coach K benefits from being Coach K. If you think his recruiting and development would fall off a cliff with the one and done rule gone, I think you're being a bit naive.

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logamaniac's picture

just wondering but who was the last player he developed?  

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bucknut1994's picture

Zion.He gave him a duffle bag with $200k in it and developed him into the player he is today #TheBrotherhood 

#94Ways

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

Actually I'm betting all of these guys would argue Coach K has developed them.

https://basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/conferences/Ivy-League/14/Duke/31/nba...

Point still remains, Coach K benefits from any system because he's the best in the biz.

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Danify's picture

Get rid of the one and done rule. Switch it to the MLB / CBB rules of allowing the players to choose between going into the draft out of HS or waiting 3 years to reenter the draft. With it allows them, if not, drafted to sign with a college and wait those 3 years too. Also, as others have said before allowing student-athletes to sell their likeness during the time in college if they choose that route. 

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Also, as others have said before allowing student-athletes to sell their likeness during the time in college if they choose that route. 

I had a conversation about this yesterday. I do not oppose someone benefiting from their likeness, but to what end? What's to stop a rich booster from telling a recruit, "if you come to X, I will pay you $15,000 a month for an autographed picture."? 

I don't know that anyone could keep the lid on the box at that point. 

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Danify's picture

Yeah, it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

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logamaniac's picture

works great in theory when you don't account for human nature.

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NHBuckeye's picture

Personally, I think kids should have to stay in college for two seasons, but I get all the arguments being discussed.  It's just the fan in me talking.   

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Kangarooman's picture

If a legal adult has enough talent for an NBA GM to offer him millions he should be able to take that opportunity for himself and his family.

Keep the NCAA for amateurs, and keep the market free for players who have the talent to get paid. It's fair for everyone.

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Sanitarian2's picture

A legal adult cannot drink a malted beverage in this country and if our current Gov has his way, smoke a cigg either. There are plenty of examples of where we give all the responsibilities to young adults but fail to provide them the same benefits. In both of my examples it's also for their own good though I'm sure one can argue, "Who are we to make that decision"

I simply think it's a bad business model for the NBA but if they want to sign 16 year olds, with parents permission, so be it. 

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Danify's picture

I'm surprised the NBA and US Basketball system hasn't adapted to the EU way of signing players (13 to 16-year-olds) into a farm club system. However, with the NCAA being a glorified farming system for free, I am not surprised, to be honest, once you think about it.

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Kangarooman's picture

Drinking. Smoking. Same thing as accepting a highly lucrative job offer. Right.

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Sanitarian2's picture

"If a legal adult has enough talent for an NBA GM to offer him millions he should be able to take that opportunity for himself and his family."

"The same thing" is rather or not one has the full rights associated with ones chronological age or not. It's the principle instead of deciding upon individual rights based upon whatever the person or persons in authority decide at the time. In fact it's multitudes worse when a government does so rather than a private industry.

You don't have a "right" to play in the NBA or any professional league.

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Kangarooman's picture

You think the NBA should be allowed to force an adult into a year unpaid labor whenever their capable to play in the league because it better suits their business model.

Judging by your post history, this take is not surprising.

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Sanitarian2's picture

I'm sorry, I don't understand the words coming out of your mouth here. Nobody is forcing high school students to attend college or play in the NBA for free. Again, nobody has the right to play in any of the leagues and if they believe that it's in their best interest to use an age or experience level in order to hire someone, that's their right. 

We don't force industry to take high school applicants when they demand or desire college degrees. In fact MANY jobs require college degrees in order to get said job so I suppose a lawyer to be is being forced into six or so years of unpaid labor. My employment requires a BS with 25 semester hours of biology and to pass boards which also includes internships that may or not be paid. I would imagine that most posters on this forum have similar requirements.

Personally I don't care if the leagues decide to take high school students or have an age requirement, that's their business.

Sani

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Shadow's picture

Yes. It’s absolutely their right to collectively bargain with the players union to set the criteria for being drafted into their business.  

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GunnerBuck's picture

It's also the NBA's right to say you need to be over XX age to be draft eligible. Which is exactly what they did. If the NBA changes their own rule then so be in but these players under XX age DO NOT have the right to bargain with the players union since they are not eligible to be in the league or union. 

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soldierdad's picture

You’re hot today Sani.  

There is a political party wanting 16 year olds to weigh in on who gets elected.  Kids under 16 are given life and death responsibility behind the wheel. (Yes I know not by themselves). I can’t believe they have any age limitation for playing a game.  If someone wants to fill a kid’s bank account and it’s legal let them do it. I can’t stand these rules owners put on the books to protect themselves from themselves.

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Sanitarian2's picture

I agree and as I always try to let principle guide my decisions, I disagree with children being tried as adults as you note. Remember, this is not the government deciding that they cannot play, it's the leagues deciding for themselves as what's best for their industry. Though I would guess that the team would have to supply tutors for any 15 year olds that they employ, like the movie industry. 

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Kangarooman's picture

15 year olds. What? Lol

And right, dude. NBA executives getting an extra free year to evaluate talent because it's 'best for their business model' is you 'standing on principle.' Ill have what youre having.

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MaineStrength's picture

I don't understand the fundamental differing philosophies of the big 3.  In football you have to be 3 years removed from HS.  In basketball you have to be 1 year removed from HS.  In baseball you can go straight from HS, but if you decide to attend a 4-yr college you must finish your junior year.  These are all so arbitrary.  Shouldn't there be some universal rule for all professional sports?  I'm all for making everyone adopt the baseball model, but I doubt basketball would go for that.  Maybe make everyone finish 2 years of college and/or be two years removed from HS in all sports?  Or would that be too big of a problem for college football?

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

The Big Three all have differing demands and requirements for the prospective professional athlete:

1) Baseball is primarily a game of hand-eye coordination (catch, hit, throw) predicated on skills that don't require brute strength.

2) Basketball is much the same as baseball in terms of skills with the added requirement of being tall. You can't coach height.

3) American Football is a controlled physical violence contest played by adult men who are- generally speaking- physical freaks of nature. A younger lad thrown into this mix without the strength and toughness of physical maturity and conditioning would get chewed up and spit out like a squeaky toy.

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MaineStrength's picture

Thanks for the reply GTH :)

1) Baseball is primarily a game of hand-eye coordination (catch, hit, throw) predicated on skills that don't require brute strength.

While I agree more so than football, added size, strength, & power remain beneficial adaptations to all athletes, even in baseball.  There aren't many starting pitchers or middle of the order hitters under 6'1" and/or 190 lbs.  While there are certainly positions that hand-to-eye coordination and speed are probably more important than size like SS, 2B, & CF, most other positions expect larger athletes that can hit for power unless they are exceptional batting average hitters.

2) Basketball is much the same as baseball in terms of skills with the added requirement of being tall. You can't coach height.

For me the same logic applies.  While less so than football, strength, size, and power are still beneficial.  A thinner, less powerful Lebron or Shaq are just not as effective.

3) American Football is a controlled physical violence contest played by adult men who are- generally speaking- physical freaks of nature.

While I agree, this is more so than the other two, I don't believe one year will make a difference.  Going straight from HS, maybe not a good idea.  Changing the requirement to be 2 vs 3 years removed from HS won't make a difference.  Is there any reason Nick Bosa, Rashan Gary, Jonathan Taylor, Jerry Jeudy, Ed Oliver, Devin Bush, etc. couldn't have been highly effective in the NFL last season?

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

My argument is a deliberate oversimplification, Maine, and I expected a more nuanced elaboration as a result.

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

One genuine issue with basketball is that it's a sport that's played worldwide, with numerous international leagues. In the rest of the world, 18-year-olds who aspire to a career in professional sports are playing that sport as their fulltime job. There would be no way to prevent Americans from playing in those international leagues, which would have much more appeal if the NCAA went to a 2 or 3-and-done model.

As to why baseball has the system it does, the key difference between it and both football and basketball is that professional baseball, including what would become the minor leagues, was well established before intercollegiate sports became a big deal. But both football and basketball were adopted in colleges (football was literally invented in college) before anyone had the idea they could become a business. The NFL and NBA had to adapt to a world where their college counterparts were a big deal.

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MaineStrength's picture

One genuine issue with basketball is that it's a sport that's played worldwide, with numerous international leagues

Yup, that also happens in some other sports too like hockey and soccer.  A friend of mine had played soccer professionally in Scotland, got injured, then decided to come attend college (D2) in CT and play college soccer, technically against NCAA rules, but no one knew or probably cared because although he was an All American D2 player, he wasn't going to Man U or anything. 

Personally, I'm OK with going to other professional leagues in other countries so long as they don't do so in the US.  The fundamental reality is the best athletes in the big 3 want to play in the US.  If a kid wants to go overseas for a while and make money right out of HS or if they are already from overseas and do so in their home country, that's their prerogative IMO.  I think most would prefer to put in their time in the NCAA and then go pro here in the states as it's more lucrative.

As to why baseball has the system it does, the key difference between it and football and basketball is that professional baseball was well established before intercollegiate sports became a big deal.

Good point.  Do you think that prevents all professional sports from adopting the same set of rules?  I doubt they ever will, but that's just my simplified brain.

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

Alternative take: Coach K and Calipari are both really good coaches and will be just fine regardless of what system the NCAA goes to.

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MaineStrength's picture

Probably, one would have to assume at one point earlier in their careers they were at the very least less corrupt and yet still successful.  But, it's also hard to imagine the extra benefits aren't helping.  it would be nice to see someone other than Duke, Kentucky, or Arizona in the top 3 classes year in and year out.

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O H Y O's picture

Corrupt? Extra benefits? Are we just making assumptions because we are jealous of success? Because I haven't heard a damn thing about Calipari or K. Unlike so many other coaches. Funny, no one hates on Bruce Pearl like they do Calipari or K, and that dude got caught red handed, lost his job at Tennessee because of it. But no, Calipari and K are the evil ones. 

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stxbuck's picture

Calipari has had FF appearances with 2 different programs-UMass and Memphis stricken from the record books due to program corruption. In Memphis he got nialed for having someone else take Derek Rose's ACT for him. He's an excellent coach, but crookeder than the sidewinder w/ scoliosis. He hasn't needed to engage in massive corruption to attract recruits to UK due to his current coaching reputation, but I have no doubt he turns what blind eye is necessary. As for Coach K, there are numerous allegations of shoe company shenanigans and payola schemes for various top recruits, including Chris Duhon and Zion Williamson.

No one hates on Pearl for his corruption b/c he isn't lionized by ESPN 24/7 like the sainted Coach K. No one defends him in the least, it's more of a "You k now what you are getting when you hire him" type of vibe-and Auburn is the type of place where NCAA niceties are the least of the AD concerns.

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

He's an excellent coach, but crookeder than the sidewinder w/ scoliosis.

LOL! Haven't seen that one before, Stx. It's a keeper.

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MaineStrength's picture

Are we just making assumptions because we are jealous of success? Because I haven't heard a damn thing about Calipari or K.

Personally, I don't care too much about it one way or the other.  The original post was about Coach K and I think Calipari is coming up because of his regularity on being one of the top recruiting classes year in and year out plus Calipari's programs had violations at UMass & Memphis.  I think folks tend to focus on the more successful coaches.  I've questioned Coach K before, not because of any violation I'm aware of, but because he's been so good for so long, yet maintains a squeaky clean reputation.  When you're at the top you're likely to get more criticism.  That's human nature.  Is it jealousy or just competition, idk?  But, most people like to see the underdog win unless the favorite is your home town team.

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silverbullet71's picture

Im a fan of kids not even having to go to college... If theyre good enough, theyll make it. If they arent, theyll figure life out

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Shadow's picture

Really doesn’t matter what coach K or the NCAA want it’s an NBA rule. Neither of them get to like it they have to live with it. Kids can go to Europe if they don’t want to go the college route but very few have ever done it because the college game still gets them significantly more exposure. And likely just as mich money under the table 

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c11058's picture

Now Coach K has a bit more time to work towards a solution to this issue.

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silverbullet71's picture

Texas Tech
Michigan St
Virginia
Auburn

How many 1 and dones on those rosters?

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Sanitarian2's picture

None on TT, none on MichS, not a sniff on Virginia nor Auburn so I imagine a bunch of transfer portals for those teams.

Sani

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O H Y O's picture

EXACTLY! Everyone bashing the one and done rule and Duke and Kentucky blah blah blah, are just mad that Ohio State can't recruit and get one and done's. If Zion had come to Ohio State everyone on here would be defending the one and done. We did one year with Conley, Cook, and Oden, but in the grand scheme of things, aside from 2012 Kentucky and 2015 Duke, there hasn't been a Freshman team that has won a championship. So it definitely hasn't been "won and done" that's for sure. 

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oztintacius's picture

Not too mention every OSU fan on the planet is lying if they tell you they wouldn't have loved to have the one and done rule in place around 2003... guaranteed 'ship if there ever was one.

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buckeyedownunder's picture

selfishly, I would like to see them keep the one and done rule for a few more years.  Chris Livingston will likely be the best recruit in 3 years.  I believe there is a very good chance he would end up playing for the Buckeyes for a year before heading to the NBA. It would be fun watching him play for our Buckeyes as a local talent.

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oztintacius's picture

He has won titles in the 90s, 2000s, and 2010s... I'm fairly certain he will continue to win no matter what the high-school NBA entry rules are.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

I wish they would go to the baseball format personally, allow players to go straight to the NBA out of high school if they choose, but if they elect to go to college, they have to stay three years 

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