I think dolphins trade up to get haskins. Giants trade to get rosen.
I like Haskins to the Dolphins as well. I think it's a good spot for him.
I still have a suspicion that the Raiders might just take him at #4 though. Haskins is a highly intelligent QB and it must be making Gruden drool.
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QBs on rookie contracts are the key to building a contender quickly. I dont know anything about Carr’s contract and what guaranteed money is left, but the raiders have 5 1st round picks over the next 2 years I believe. That’s a lot of potentially cheap difference makers to add to its roster...take Carr’s salary out and spend it at other positions of need and you could have a really good roster.
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Someone posted the info on Carr's contract in one of the other threads. I forget the exact details but it sounds like the cap hit / dead-money carry is not that much at all. Tell you what, if Al Davis was still alive there would be no doubt that he'd want Haskins as his new 'The Mad Bomber" at QB.
I've never understood the economics and/or the structure of pro athletes contracts, but how do you sign five 1st round picks in two years and still stay within the salary cap?
I don’t think it’s as big of an issue now with the rookie pay scale. Before that, it would be impossible.
how do you sign five 1st round picks in two years and still stay within the salary cap?
Even with rookie minimums, that seems like a heap O' cash.
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I think the Raiders QB interest is to just simply get a QB needy team thinking they might take one at 4. If someone like the Dolphins or Giants move up to 3 with the Jets to leap over the Raiders then the Raiders have their choice of whoever doesn't go from Bosa, Allen, Q. Williams. However unlikely it may seem a SF could fall in love with Allen or Q. Williams and take him 2. If Murray goes 1, Williams/Allen goes 2, and a team trades up for Haskins. The Raiders could wind up with Bosa... unlikely? Sure, but not impossible. I don't see the Raiders moving off of Carr who despite the low TD's wasn't that bad last year in a new system. He went from leading the NFL with 8 picks through 5 weeks to the third longest streak of passes without an interception (only 2 picks through the final 11 games). Not to mention the lack of weapons he had last year at WR (Nelson, S. Roberts, Cooper (6 games).
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I’m a Browns, Raiders fan. Fiancé and family are Texans. Raiders are lined up nicely. Didn’t think Carr was that bad when healthy. Would love for them to take Haskins though. But, I get the need for a pass rusher. Will be interesting draft for sure.
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For the first time in decades, the Browns are not in the market for a QB, so Cincy has a shot to pick up a QB. I'd love to see Haskins in Cincy, but dear God that OLine needs help. But my even bigger concern is the Bengals front office. They have no interest in winning, just interested in collecting money. So you know, even if they do manage to get Haskins, they won't be spending the big bucks to protect him...........sigh, frustrated fan...
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As a Giants fan, I would love to see Haskins as their QB of the future. He clearly needs a year to mature and the Giants seem committed to Eli for one more year. But, I am afraid the Giants won’t pull the trigger. As a longtime Patriots hater, I find it hard to say this but Haskins would be a premier backup to Brady until Brady retires. I could see The Pats moving up to take him. But I also could see the Dolphins doing the same thing.
Agree! But I have serious questions why the Giants seem committed to a QB who hasn’t been “elite” since the G-men’s last SB win. He has been a statue... in reality. And he gets paid sufficient $$$ to overcome any embarrassment to his sensitive nature. The Giants need a new QB sooner than later.
I'd love it of Haskins wound up in DC, but he deserves better and they have needs (TE, both lines, cover safety) that have to be addressed.
They'll need a franchise QB (Alex Smith is not coming back), but it'd be a mistake to put those eggs in one basket again (RGIII), at least for this year.
Said it once and l’ll say it again. I’ll be pissed if the Bengals take Haskins in the first round. Dalton is a good Qb when he has protection and we have wayyyy bigger needs (like OL and LB).
As was stated in the article...Regular-season Andy is only going to take the Bengals so far. He can get the team to the playoffs but cannot elevate the team any further. OL needs can usually be addressed in the 3rd-4th rounds of the draft but passing on a franchise QB would be a typical Mike Brown move.
Besides that, if the Cardinals pass on Murray in the 1st round and take Bosa, they always have a good shot at Murray in the 2nd or 3rd rounds...
If Haskins fell to 11 and the Bengals got him AND were able to get a tackle and solid LB in the subsequent two rounds, I wouldn’t hate it. Totally agree that LB and OL are the bigger needs. I’m guessing Devin White goes top 8ish and the Bengals end up with Bush.
If Dwayne is there at 11 the Bengals would be foolish not to at least consider him. We have no clue how well Dalton is going to do under the new regime. I honestly think he'll do fine (maybe even better than he did under Marvin who constantly hired mediocre OCs outside of Hue and Gruden) but there is a chance he and Taylor may not be a fit for each other in which case having a promising future in place at QB in Haskins will help tremendously and give the team an easy out from Dalton. No question OT and LB are bigger needs but Dwayne has potential as a quality NFL franchise QB. Those don't come around often.
Dalton and Taylor not meshing is possible (although I agree with you that they will) and would be about the only reason I would be happy with them drafting Haskins. But I feel like you’re not going to know whether or not they’ve meshed well until the season at least begins.
The Bengals need to address their depth at QB in this draft no matter what (but at the same time Haskins is not a guy you draft to sit on the bench forever). I saw enough of Driskel last season to know I don't want him backing up Dalton again this year (he was Nathan Peterman bad at times). Even if Dalton performs well in his first season under Taylor and it triggers the FO to start talking extension with him he's going to be 32 years old by the time the season starts. Investing in him long-term wouldn't be wise at this point and they have to start thinking about life after him sooner rather than later.
Dalton is an ok QB as long as field conditions are dry, wind is below 3 mph, humidity is low and the temperature during the game is between 65-75 degrees. And no pass rush.
I think Haskins would be better off in a place where he gets to hold the clipboard for a minute before getting throw to the wolves.
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That’s why NYG makes so much sense. Eli is still going to start week 1.
No one is talking about the Lions...their GM said they weren’t ruling anyone out in the 1st round. Stafford is not Patricia’s or Quinn’s QB, and with their desire to pound the ball, they are taking Staffords big arm away from him. Haskins would be a much cheaper version of Stafford. Just me as a lions fan speculating here. No idea about the money still owed to Stafford. They just spent a ton on FAs which I didn’t think they had to spend.
I thought the Lions would make sense too. At a certain point you need to ask yourself if you can see yourself winning a super with a certain QB. I dont see it happening with Stafford.
Just makes sense with my post above in regards to rookie contract QBs. That’s proving to be the quickest path to being a contender. I like Stafford and what he’s done for the team, but I think we’ve seen the ceiling which is 9-10 wins with a loss in he WC round. Team was set back 10+ years by Millen/Mayhew, and were absolutely devasted by having so many top 3 picks and their monstrous contracts before the rookie pay scale took effect.
Patricia is also a defensive-minded HC and that Lions defense was BAD last season. I think someone like Quinnen Williams, Rashan Gary, or Ed Oliver are the primary guys in play for DET. That being said Jim Bob Cooter is also gone and he had perhaps the strongest connection to Stafford among anyone on staff last season. So Stafford may not be on very firm footing in DET right now. However, he is far from the source of the team's problems.
Agreed about the other problems. Just speculating. Also DL is very deep in the draft. There will be some available in the 2nd as well. Williams and Oliver are sure to be gone by the time the lions pick. I don’t think Gary is worth a top 10 pick if Haskins is there.
I keep hearing Oliver might fall into the teens. Gary I think is highly overrated and plays with questionable effort at times but he will be a top 10 pick IMO.
I think the Bucs should be looking at Haskins. I doubt Winston will ever stop being a bonehead.
Agree completely here. Not to mention he’s not even a good QB.
It’s funny that you say that about Winston because I’ve seen several evaluators compare Haskins to him.
If you look at his stats last year, they actually were pretty decent. The major knock on him is he makes bonehead plays in critical situations. I dont see that from Dwayne.
Most mocks have the Bucs taking Devin White. If they take Haskins I'd be okay with it considering it raises the likelihood of White falling to the Bengals at 11. Bruce Arians has said he's committed to Jameis though (which if he truly is that's probably not too smart on his part since Jameis is a turnover-machine who can't stay out of trouble off the field).
I'm amazed how dumb some NFL people are. It is really amazing. They do football for a living and don't see things right in front of them. Take the factory of sadness for all those years. It isn't just Ohio State that didn't have passer like that in my lifetime. He is a great decision maker, and it isn't brought up enough.
And that is the thing with Fields and Baldwin. I wan't them both to be great decision makers, but none of us know yet.
Mike Brown has done amazingly well financially by doing dumb things
As a Browns fan, I would hate to see Haskins in Cincinnati, because I would have to root against him. Hope he goes to the NFC.
It sickens me to think that even a Bengals fan is scared of the idea of us drafting Haskins. Bengals fan myself, but I'm so tired of ownership I dont know how much more I can take. We are happy with being mediocre. Mike Brown views winning as an added bonus as long as he's making money he could care less. Here's to hoping Dwayne lands in a position where he is supported and surrounded with talent.
I hope Haskins ends up in a situation where the organization is committed to winning and making moves to better personnel around him.
Whichever team has a decent offensive line. A team's WRs don't matter as much, as Haskins can throw it on the numbers to anyone, even in tight coverage.
My guess: The Raiders. Nick Bosa will likely be off the board and Jon Gruden likes quarterbacks. If not the Raiders, it's up to the Giants to stop talking stupidly and take Haskins.
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Around here you can’t see one negative thing about a Buckeye player unless it’s EXTREMELY obvious like Dwayne Haskins isn’t a burner. But I still believe despite his vision, arm and intellect in college, he lacks a few things which make him a sure fire pick. And as a Giants fan I wouldn’t take the risk at pick 6. Maybe 17, but not 6.
Now I know you brahs have to hit the down arrow because you struggle with someone’s opinion, but this is my belief.
i think DH has very bad footwork for a pocket passer and if he plays in Year one he may get killed. I still maintain Murray is far superior despite the size and I even like Jones. Dwayne has tremendous upside but he needed another year at OSU.
hopwfully I’m wrong.
thought I'd start the replies taking the high road.
Thanks for sharing your opinion. no need to DV for that.
Plus the Murry/ Haskins debate is apples and oranges to me. Ones a square peg and ones a round peg. You can't force them to do what the other can do. Murray isn't going to throw the kind of dimes Haskins is and Haskins isn't going to shake and bake like Murray will. And who ever drafts them will know that.
I actually do think Murray throws dimes.
hes Russell Wilson imo but more talented
We'll see how he translates the the NFL, definitely not going to hate on the dude, gotta wish luck to someone without the prototype QB physic proving the haters wrong.