Filing the Giddens mention into the early April Fools bin...
"If the Buckeyes are able to land 7'0 big man Ibrahima Diallo, then the chances of them taking a center as a grad transfer would be less, especially if they feel Diallo would be able to contribute immediately, at least off the bench."
Wasn't he deciding between Ohio State and Pitt this past week?
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Holtmann just visited him in California a few days ago. I thought that he was going to decide last Wednesday but that evidently changed.
And shortly thereafter, LeDee transfers...
I think Jaedon has been set on transferring for months. Pretty sure Holtmann recruiting another big had nothing to do with it.
I think Ledee (and definitely his Dad) does not see himself as a 5. This transfer is very similar to the Micah Potter transfer, in my humble opinion.
I play, coach stays. He goes, I go.
I think that LeDee and his Dad see him as a wing player in an up-tempo kind of offense. Not exactly simpatico with Big Ten BB. Hopefully the young man will find a school that is able to play him in a position and way that he wishes to play.
Sounds a lot like the philosophy that Daniel Giddens and his family had. I can see how well that worked for him.
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Giddens had no real offensive skills. He was considered a defender around the rim who might develop some offense.
He plays in the big baller brand all american game tomorrow. He has maintained he will commit somewhere this month, so I’m guessing (no concrete info) he commits during or before the all star game tomorrow.
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The only thing I can figure is the staff already knows Brunk ain't happening.
We are in a position where we need a back-up big who can contribute right away in some fashion and you are going to have an extremely tough time convincing a good grad transfer big to come here and watch Kaleb play 25-30 mpg every game. So if we're out of it for Brunk, the staff decided to kick the tires on Giddens since he is long and athletic and has high-major/B1G/OSU (lol) experience. Apparently there is mutual interest so now a visit is happening.
I don't think this really says anything about Diallo because I think Diallo should RS, anyways, because he is THAT raw and for class balance purposes. Be kind of hilarious if we did end up with two seniors next season, both of which started their careers at OSU but one of which took a three-year detour to Bama and the SEC.
the empire never ended
Respect to Diallo, but given the choice I think I'd prefer to have Brunk on the roster next season (and the next, if that comes to pass). Brunk is an experienced, plug and play guy. And with Wesson's penchant for getting in foul trouble a guy who can give you a solid 15 minutes a game would be big, IMO.
My money is on Diallo, Holtman wants him, he traveled to Cali to recruit him after his visit here. Of course now it is up to Diallo to select the Buckeyes which may not come to pass but it is plain to see that Holtman does not have the reservations you have.
It would not surprise me if he took two bigs in this situation, they don't seem to grow on trees and one would only tie up a scholly for two years. I would add that nobody has talked about it but if K Wesson improves upon this year next year he could be gone.
No knock on Brunk, but at this time, he's just not that good of a player. If he comes to Ohio State though, I'll give him my 100% support. And I'll hope the staff can develop him into a solid backup player. Remember though he is likely to be a 2 year commitment.
I'd rather be a minute early than an hour early, 'cause I like to procrastinate.
Brunk is what Micah Potter would’ve been in his fourth year in the program if he’d stuck around. What you see is what you get as his game isn’t going to get any better than it is right now. Diallo is raw but he could become UCF’s Tacko Fall in four years—a shot blocking defensive game changer in the post. But honestly, with two spots available, I’d love to have both of them—Brunk to spell Kaleb and Diallo to bring along more slowly.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
I am shocked at how bad Giddens has been? Was he just an overrated recruit by Thad or does he have major issues off the court?
Also, being that Mitchell, Grandstaff, Lyle (injury) are not relative at all in college basketball, makes me think Thad was reaching for all of these guys.
I did see AJ ( can’t remember his last name) missed a FT in the tourney against Auburn I believe.
Glad we have Holtmann!
No offcourt issues.
AJ Harris. He blew the game by kicking a ball out to a 3 shooter, when he had an uncontested layup for the win. They didn’t need 3, ONE would’ve won it. It was about a s big of a brain fart as Chris Webber’s timeout.
Two would had tied it.....if I remember correctly. Didn’t the 3pt shooter get fouled and he made 1 of three. Could be wrong, have been watching a lot of basketball lately.
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Yes. 3 shot foul. Made 1. Oy
You’re right, it was 2 for the tie. It wasn’t that dumb of a play if they were going for the win (risky, yes, but not dumb), although I don’t think that’s what was what AJ was thinking. I don’t remember how many of the free throws the guy made though.
Lil - it was a dumb play. Put the ball in the rack and go to OT!
Giddens athletic abilities just have not transferred to the game of basketball, I don't recall any off the court issues with him.
Also, being that Mitchell, Grandstaff, Lyle (injury) are not relative at all in college basketball, makes me think Thad was reaching for all of these guys.
This 2015 class could be a college class in what can go wrong. Hard to say with Grandstaff, save for too much parental involvement and lack of patience, paired with lack of work ethic. That's a lot. Lyle could be great, but was erratic and immature. Mitchell seemed to shrink and get slower as he got to Columbus. Clever player, but not skilled enough in any one area to make a difference. AJ has turned out to be pretty solid and Giddens just never develped an offensive game.
For some strange reason Thad and his assistants really missed the mark BIG TIME in evaluating this class both in performance and to some degree character . . . strongly agree with your comment about having Holtmann.
Looks like Tarzan , plays like Jane... it may have been the case that when he finally had to go up against someone his size area he just doesn't have the skill to compete.
Why not Brunk and Diallo? Seems like we could use Kaleb and Brunk next year then Brunk and Diallo the following.
Both Brunk and Kaleb have two years of eligibility remaining.
Good point, but I could see him leaving early, though.
Kaleb isn't leaving early, not unless he wants to play in Spain or Israel
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Damn a downvote for that! It’s not outside the realm of possibility.
Kaleb is a local kid-I really doubt he leaves early just to leave b/c he is sick of school/Columbus. He's a very effective college player, but he isn't going pro in the Western Hemisphere......
Kaleb leaving early??????
Exactly! I see the need for both if we can get them both. We have absolutely no depth at center. The most glaring needs are to have a quality ball handler and options when Wesson needs rest or is in foul trouble. Watching the tournament, everybody seems to have at least two or three options when it comes to big men. For some reason, we do not.
'For some reason, we do not.'
Answer: Micah Potter, Wisconsin Badgers
I want both too. I think the big downside is that if we take both, we'll only have one scholarship for 2020? Somebody correct me if I'm wrong or if there's more to consider.
If Potter had stayed he would have had one year left. He averaged 4 points and 2 rebounds a game for us. Would you rather have him or Brunk? Brunk averaged 7.8 points and 3.6 rebounds last year and is 2 inches taller that Potter.
Another vote for Brunk and Diallo. The best coaches are 1. great at evaluating talent 2. developing that talent 3. motivating players to buy into their system. Holtmann is in the right direction.
If we get brunk and Diallo, then Zach Loveday is out for the class of 2020....I would think Diallo and Loveday, or Brunk and Loveday, but not all 3...
I look at Brunk like Chugonov. Both have realized they will have to focus on life after athletics. Why not get a graduate degree while enjoying life on a top-flight team?
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.
Need to find us a kid like Tacko Fall from UCF. If you’re 7’6 in the college game you really dont need that much skill. Just stand in the paint and disrupt everything the other team is trying to do.
So many 7'6" players to choose from, though, how can one decide? Maybe take two.
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Yesssssssss. Let’s get two 7’6” players. Don’t Dick around with one.
Yeah, just remember to duck when your own team is shooting
Sooner or later it all gets real.
Well, Diallo is a 7 footer from West Africa-that's about as close as you are going to get to Tacko.........................
Yea. Seems sorta narrow way of seeing the available personnel. Obviuosly Holtmann offered Diallo. After lots of deliberation. He is looking long term. 3-4 years. If not Diallo, and even with LeDee transferring, Brunk might be the only guy he seriously considers(or has the chance to land). The grad transfer market is a rabbit hole. Hell, Pierce had some 10 offers before the newsprint was even dry.
I’ll take Diallo. We probably make room for Brunk too, in my uninformed opinion.
Brunk would be ideal to pair with Wesson, especially considering he's from Butler. Diallo(if we get him), may need a developmental year before he's ready to be a full time guy.
Give me Brunk and let’s move on to identifying better players that aren’t developmental projects. Brunk fills our biggest need... quality backup to Kaleb for 15 - 20 mpg.
I like this year’s freshman and the incoming group. Let them play and develop. Grad transfer wings only stop that development. Unless you’ve got a true scorer (against quality competition) ... 15ppg avg. or more, I’d rather roll with our guys.
You win with people.
And so forth...
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I think this Diallo kid could be a diamond in the rough; especially if Greg Oden stays on the staff to work with him. Brunk would also be a good addition; I don't think we really need another wing; Luther Muhammad will develop this off season and be just fine.
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I don't disagree with your thought process but Muhammad is a 2G at about 6'3" and not a true wing. An experienced wing that can score would be a great benefit for next season but it would likely delay the development of a frosh or two. With transfers and injuries, suspensions it's difficult to really project two or three years down the road, take the wins each year that are available.
especially if Greg Oden stays on the staff to work with him
This sounds great. But then . . .
Both Potter & LeDee must have worked with Oden, but both left.
However, neither apparently want to play center.
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Muhammad, Ahrens and Jallow all have some size. All 3 need to work on their ball handling, offensive moves and get stronger. If they can develop ball-handling skills it would give the Buckeyes some size on the perimeter to penetrate the defense and create offense, beyond what the point guards provide. Defensively 2 of 3 are acknowledged to be good defenders, and hopefully Ahrens can improve his defense.
Brunk seems to be a very logical direction, for him and the Buckeyes. Holtmann and his staff have a huge decision to make. I believe they will choose wisely.
Does anyone proof read these articles? What happen to Diallo's decision which was supposed to occur before the end of this month? I read he was offered. Did Holtmann put him on hold? I didn't see that he committed to Pitt and it was supposedly between us and them. Any intell on that??!!
A reason wasn't given, but d. was moving his decision into april, and it said he could sign starting ap. 17. There's only two reasons he would decide later, he's torn between the 2 schools, and another team has gotten in late because they like him too.
Don’t be surprised if Ahrens transfers. I personally like the kid. He can handle the ball and rebound, tremendous if he can square up(like Diebler), but weak defensively, but so is Washington. Holt an needs to get Luther and Washington under control, too many stupid and ill advised shots. But you guys are right we don’t need a grad trasfer wing . We need a post player. I would go after Brunk big time, get the Roderick kid from Olentangy(?). Then hold the one for 2020 for the 7 footer who went to WVA to play his senior year. Brunk is big and won’t be pushed around in the post. Go get him coach!
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I would be shocked if Ahrens leaves. His comments suggest he has a mature perspective on playing time. He is from Ohio and his brother stuck it out for 4 years at MSU despite minimal playing time.
You never know what kids are thinking for sure, but there are no signs that point towards a transfer. If he gets minimal playing time next year, my opinion might change.
But I am pretty confident he will return. You ever watch Ahrens on the bench? If he plays 0 mins or 25 mins, he is 100% engaged in the game. Only player on the roster that cheers as enthusiastically as Ahrens is Joey Lane, with Muhammad and Washington not far behind those two.
Ahrens transferring would be a big loss. We need his shooting.
Walker, Washington and Ahrens can all shoot the ball. And as we have seen in the tournament you need multiple shooters from distance. Ahrens has an advantage over the other 2 players because he's taller and can get his shot off easier. Getting stronger and developing a cross over dribble would help because he wouldn't have to rely on screens as much.
Brunk and Roderick OR Diallo and Pierce?
I'm thinking Brunk and Diallo. This gives someone to help out Kaleb and gives Diallo a year to develop instead of thrusting him into the spotlight as a frosh when he may not be ready.
Diallo is choosing between OSU and Pitt. If he goes to Pitts he will play major minutes (they lack any inside presence). IMO if he comes here, he’s going to play. Today’s players don’t go somewhere to redshirt when they can go to an ACC school and play. From a fans perspective it’s great and it would be ideal for our program. It’s just probably not realistic to expect it. I hope we get Diallo, I think he can come off the bench and make an impact next year. Just my 2 cents
I don't see Holtmann taking both Diallo (4 years) and Brunk (2 years) and then going after Loveday in 2020...that would give OSU 3 6'11/7' and that just doesn't seem like Holtmann's MO. I think he gets Diallo and a grad transfer shooter (wing) or goes for brunk and another grad transfer..
Roderick is not coming to Ohio State! Why would this program take a chance on a guy with so many questions? When we need big men?
Bob - Roderick can BALL. We just don’t need another 6-5 6-5 guy.
Forget Giddens. . . he walked away from the buckeyes and his team once and has never lived up to his expectations. Time to move on.
Diallo is a project, not ready for the B1G at this point in time, the key with him is if he is able to develop into a basketball player at this level. He has height but his basketball skills are raw, very raw. Adding him to the roster would bring help in the second season and beyond if he is able to develop.
I don't know anything about Brunk but I am sure that he could help immediately. He is already familiar with Coach Holtmann and has shown that he can play at Butler, which is a top notch program at the mid-major level. My gut says that he would fit in and make the team stronger, especially with having two years of eligibility remaining.
Both guys could fit in well. If I had to choose one or the other, it would be Brunk because of the immediate need for help.
Oh, one more thing. Micah Potter is shortsighted. So was I at that age, though, so not casting stones.
In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...
Butler's in the Big East. You’re no longer mid major when your conference foes are Villanova, St. John’s, Providence, Seton Hall, Xavier, Creighton, DePaul, Marquette, and Georgetown. Conversely, Gonzaga is big time but its conference is definitely not.
David Wertheim, thanks for the good post. Keep writing.
Does Brunk have one year left? How do we back up Wesson in 2020? Get Diallo. Maybe then we can get out of this funk playing forwards at the center position. Brunk, at 6'11", had seven blocks the entire season. That is not a rim protector. Diallo could become that guy.
Brunk has 2 years left
makes more sense. thanks.
I noticed that same stat about Brunk. Don't get me wrong, I think he could probably help the team, but how does somebody who is 6-11 not block more shots than that without even trying? Kyle Young, who is several inches shorter than Brunk and played a similar number of minutes in 2018-19, blocked more than twice as many shots.
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Please take Brunk if he wants to be a Buckeye.Have never seen him play but we need immediate help in the lane.The last thing we need is another unskilled large body that will collect quicker fouls than Wesson,if that is possible.I see a taller version of Giddons.He will get totally pushed around in the Big 10.I would not be surprised to see Wesson bolt after year 3.Overseas is his only future and I believe he knows he is at his ceiling and why not go for some money.I would start Brunk and let Wesson come off the bench.He may be more effective that way.Watching these teams advance in the tourney is amazing to see that some schools have waves of quality big men to bring in and we are hard pressed to have more than 1 or 2 guys taller than 6'8 total.Kyle Young at his 6'8 listing is more than generous.Closer to 6'6 is more realistic.
I'm sorry but I had to downvote you simply on principle, start a second string transfer center from Butler over Wesson.
Just my opinion,good or bad.I would seriously hope that he is put on a tough conditioning and weight control program this off season.Some extra quicks would pay huge dividends in terms of less fouls and more time playing instead of sitting.
I didn’t down vote you, but I do have a question...
Why would you personally want to start Brunk over Wesson when you haven’t seen Brunk play (your own words)? How did you come to that conclusion?
Brunk averages 7.6 points, 3.6 rebounds, in 18.6 minutes a game
Wesson (against better competition) averages 14.6 points, 6.9 rebounds, in 25.9 minutes a game
More importantly, I think if you were able to watch both play you’d take Wesson over Brunk. Respectfully I’m just going to ignore your take on Diallo...
I am with you, AC. Bring Brunk in to spell Wesson or even play the two together at times and bring in Diallo also. You can't teach height...you either have it or you don't.
Honestly my preference is to just bring in Diallo, I got to watch him play and I’m sold. No knock on Brunk, he’d be a fine rotational player, but IMO Holtmann isn’t going to consistently play more than 2 bigs. His 4 is always going to be an undersized PF or SF type.
We have 11 players currently on scholarship and all of them have a path to playing time. Now realistically we aren’t going to play that many guys, but what it says to me is that our young guys need to develop and see the court. However we definitely need a back up big so if Diallo isn’t in, Brunk or another grad transfer is a must.
David talks about lumu hardly inspiring on the offensive end, yet his numbers were much better than pierce fr. to fr. 3pt. 20%, 3.7 ppg, 10.7 mpg. I'd say lumu has some potential in that case. Pierce jr. #'s outside of what david listed, 3pt. a cool .324%, an even cooler ftp, .59%. He did shoot 56% from 2 pt. It's hard to know what load he was carrying, but total numbers matter. But being a cog is different than being a hub, i.e. he could improve drastically on a good team.
As we've seen, things work themselves out. If we get them both, Diallo either gets good enough to play, is okay with just being a role guy, or he leaves. Therefore, I think having both would be great. If the Butler kid comes, hes perfect. No threat to KW and his role, but also not a black hole when foul trouble inevitably comes... boy were we a bad team when KW wasnt on the floor
I would definitely take Pierce. Watch his highlight video on Youtube. He can play. He's more than a shooter, he has a terrific all around game.
Edit: And, we've had some really good players from llinois.
But none via William & Mary, which are probably not his parents’ names.
“Brunk, a redshirt junior-to-be, announced earlier this week that he would be transferring to Butler”
Yeah, I saw that too. I don't think any of the writers proof-read their articles.
Quality bigs are rare anymore. Most teams don't have a dominant big. TOSU didn't fail because they didn't have a quality big to back up Wesson they failed because they couldn't score when he was out due to the fact We didn't have anyone on the roster who could create their own shot. tOSU needs length not necessarily a true center and someone who can score without a play being run for them besides Wesson.
The reason Kaleb Wesson is so valuable is because the Buckeyes were so limited offensively. With Walker and Carton having the ability to blow by defenders and Liddell and Gaffney able to create some offense, the need for a center isn't as important. Therefore I don't think we take Diallo and Brunk.
I agree with this. The new blood could make a huge impact for the old blood by creating better shots for themselves and others. That is why K. Wesson is so valuable - he affects the defense like no one else on OSU's team could, and his absence completely took away any need for defenders to help off shooters.
What about Nate Sestina from Bucknell? He almost beat us this year, he's big, rebounds well, and can shoot. We could probably even start him along with Kaleb -- then our lineup could be something like Walker/Carton, Luther, Andre, Sestina, Kaleb would be solid on both offense and defense.
I would buy an extra season ticket if Daniel Giddens comes back. I'd do so to support the coach and the kid for their sense of humor.
How about the kid from Bucknell (Sestina). Probably looking for a more preeminent role, but he could maybe play both front court positions with his outside shooting. He got in foul trouble against us, but scored 10 points in 13 minutes.
Sestina is visiting UK...doubt he would come to TOSU to be a backup to Kaleb when he might get more PT from UK..I would love the kid though. He can play both inside and out..