How Jaedon LeDee's Impending Transfer Impacts Ohio State

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Sanitarian2's picture

AW can provide minutes at PF and Jallow at SF.

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bsk33's picture

It's weird to me that Jallow is listed as a SG considering the fact he did not play one minute at SG last season. He primarily played SF and actually played some mins at PF due to the Kyle Young injury and Kaleb's suspension.

I know Musa mainly played SG as a Freshmen, but the Buckeyes only had 3 other scholarship guards: CJ Jackson, Andrew Dakich, and Kam Williams (who was suspended for 3 games).

Just my humble opinion, but I think Musa would only play mins at SG next year if Muhammad or Washington is injured.

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NHBuckeye's picture

Any idea when Diallo is planning to announce?  I’ve read it’s down to us and Pittsburgh.   Would love to see this big fella come on board.  

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AC's picture

He originally stated it would be this month and he plays in the big baller all american game tonight so that’s a possibility. However someone reported he might hold off on announcing a decision until early April. First day to sign is April 17th. Like you, I hope we get him!

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BuckeyeBen7.7's picture

Regardless of whether we seek out a grad transfer at center or not, I think we need to get Diallo. Dude has size and is athletic, two things you can’t teach. Develop him and he could be a monster.

I also think that getting a grad transfer at center for the upcoming season would be preferable. Diallo would be a raw backup his first year, and just the general idea of having 3 viable options at center is very attractive. A grad transfer keeps the scholarship open for the class of 2020 if we want it, and could really help us.

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The Cynic's picture

Impact of Ledee’s transfer: it opens up a scholarship. 

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Bigfry's picture

Get the Brunk kid from Butler. Get Diallo too if we can. Then get the 7’ kid from Eastern Ohio who went across the river to play this past year. Loveday, or Lovelady. Name slips this old man. I saw film of him and he is good.can rebound run the floor and shoot the three.

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AC's picture

Zach Loveday, Lovelady is a better name though

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Buctor's picture

Adding some real height would be great!  Even a project type could back fill a few minutes here and there.

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Buck68's picture

...really?  IF one does not start with a real height... how can one 'get' 'real height' by 'adding' another 'average whatever' height?

So... i am forced to agree:  "adding would be great"; but...

people migrating from honesty into addication by open transfers portals boarders.... 

don't 'add'.  They just take... whatever you feel is yours.  Mean-while, what do you 'do'?  You 'drug' yourself with addications that never add up.

[remnant truncated for 'being too probative']

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brutus360's picture

Need to start recruiting centers after this. I understand throwing a forward in at times, but we’ve relied on forwards to play center for way too long. Guys that are forwards don’t want to be out of position playing center. Ledee is the second forward to transfer after Potter because of this and I don’t blame them. Young gets thrown in there too. Get backup Centers!!!

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Sanitarian2's picture

Many college offenses are trending towards three guard and two larger, athletic forwards with no true center. You see a couple 6'8"/6'9" athletes with a true PG and a couple or larger off guards. Not sure if OSU is going to follow that trend or not but like you, I like the big center that can rebound and control the paint. The problem with a four out, one in offense is that when you lose your center to fouls or injury you have to completely adjust the offense. 

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brutus360's picture

Exactly! I realize the trend, or the way some teams want to play with the smaller lineup. But, some players don’t want to be that odd man in the paint playing against legit big centers. Either get center depth or recruit forwards willing to play center. 

"Age wrinkles the body, quitting wrinkles the soul" Woody Hayes

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bsk33's picture

In Holtmann's defense, he did not recruit Potter. I do think Holtmann is a big believer in versatile players and positionless basketball.

But maybe with Ledee transferring (I am guessing Holtmann knew that was coming), he realized some of these guys aren't willing to bang with bigger players. And now that he has been in the Big 10 a couple of years and dealt with some tall, physical frontcourts like Purdue, he is changing up his philosophy a little bit.

I did not expect Holtmann to try to add to an already loaded recruiting class with only one senior (Andre Wesson) next year. And the fact that Diallo is so raw, seems to indicate that he might be changing his philosophy for more size and less versatility.

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brutus360's picture

That’s my thought too.

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Buck68's picture

Brutus360...

great food for thought.

Perhaps we keep "relying" on the wrong 'search engine' - our feelings?

Perhaps we should be looking for... uh... start with... 'attributes that last and do not change' with our ever shifting 'want' 'positions'?

Kinda like an inanimate ruler measures... without sticking our ruling foot in our mouth.

===>as long as we "don't want to be out of position"... are we not de facto 'allowing' our 'wants' to be our guide?  One minor problem with that caring 'n sharing approach is that my wants are right, and yours... not so much.  And...that NEVER changes!   ;-{)}

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AC's picture

I’m not the expert so I’ll defer to Colin.

That being said, I have a hard time seeing Diallo coming here if it means sitting behind both Wesson and a senior grad transfer. He would likely see significant minutes at Pitt next year (they lack any inside presence). Coming and sitting behind two guys seems hard to imagine when he could play on an ACC team as a freshman (playing will only aid his development). I also find it interesting that the transfers we have supposedly reached out to are larger guards/forwards (6’7” range). We haven’t even heard that Holtmann and his staff have reached out to Brunk (all though I assume they probably have), and you’d think he’d be near the top of the pecking order for a grad transfer big. Side note, IU and Ole Miss have already visited with Brunk.

Colins the expert, I just hope he’s wrong (but he’s probably not)... Give me Diallo and I’ll be happy!

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The Rill Dill's picture

So, writers are now experts at the sport they write about? 

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AC's picture

Fair point. I obviously disagree with him or I wouldn’t have written it. Just trying to disagree respectfully 

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Buck68's picture

i suspect we say 'respect'... when we used to mean 'be courteous' or 'civil' - especially when someone is not behaving that way toward you.

be cause

that's a precious way to 'break the cycle' of our 'humanity' foibles... and available to all.

"Respect" OTOH now has a Diversity of conflicted, impositional meanings...

...aka 'been weaponized'...

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rosenbuck's picture

Wow, if he views himself as a small forward I don’t know what that’s based on.  And honestly, power forward in college really isn’t that big of a difference from center.  His offensive game isn’t something that plays well alongside a true center, especially on a team with suspect shooting from its guards.  So, bye I guess.

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NorthBerg's picture

The transfer portal giveth and taketh. Is free agency and outright pay for play just around the corner?

Too much time spent at the North Heidelberg rather than the classroom. SSD 68-72

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Fuzzbuck's picture

I will take Diallo if he comes....but would rather have grad transfer that is ready to play/contribite on BOTH ends of the court NOW and only takes a roster spot for one or two years. Also gets Holt back in the market for top 50 HS recruits sooner. If he can land a couple top 50's for 2020 this team may be playing this weekend in two years!!

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Sanitarian2's picture

I don't think you look a gift 7 footer in the mouth either but since we run the offense through Wesson and Mr. Diallo apparently has no offensive skill set at this point, it's going to force the team to completely change their sets when he's in the game. That's not all that bad I suppose as it makes the defense adjust.

Sani

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brutus360's picture

Hope all are watching these elite eight games. They are great matchups with big men. That’s men not man. Give me depth at true center taller than 6’7”! 

"Age wrinkles the body, quitting wrinkles the soul" Woody Hayes

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bsk33's picture

I am. Michigan State has no one in their rotation taller than 6'8." Auburn has one player in their rotation taller than 6'8." He averaged 13 mins a game for the season. Villanova won the title without a player listed over 6'9" in their rotation.

You can win different ways.

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brutus360's picture

I know. You just have to have players that understand that when they are recruited. They also should have the necessary bulk to play that spot. Or be a jumping jack. Or a player like Zion who has both at 6’7”. 

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Toilrt Paper's picture

AH...but Ohio State has neither. Their shooters and drivers to the basket are terrible in comparison to the teams mentioned. Ohio 

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brutus360's picture

Not yet...

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Toilrt Paper's picture

AH...but Ohio State has neither. Their shooters and drivers to the basket are terrible in comparison to the teams mentioned. Ohio 

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Buxki84's picture

You can win with forward sized players. But your guys have to compete and win the battle of the boards. The teams you refer to do it with being relentless. In the words of Urban Meyer "it's non-negotiable."

But having a big man helps erase defensive mistakes. Guards don't have to body up and foul as much when they know they have a shot blocker behind them.

I'd rather be a minute early than an hour early, 'cause I like to procrastinate.

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bsk33's picture

Well that one inch just kills my argument.

And ESPN has Ward listed at 6'8."

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Sanitarian2's picture

Yep, Purdue road their 7'3" center all the way to the final four

Sani

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bsk33's picture

Pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

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Toilrt Paper's picture

Ohio State has a long way to go in recruiting, as far as a BIG(man) Ten roster. Ohio State has one player at 6-9. All over Big Ten teams have between 3 and 5 players at 6-9 or taller. The only exception is MSU, they have 2. Another short coming. There are 10 international players on Big Ten rosters, Ohio State has none.

BTW, if you took all Ohio high school players on other Big Ten rosters, they'd be a better team than Ohio State this year. 

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bsk33's picture

Ohio State had two players at 6'9": Kaleb and Ledee. They would have had 3 if Potter did not transfer 4 days before the season opener. They will likely have 3 players next year: Kaleb, Alonzo Gaffney, and Diallo and/or a grad transfer. They will also be adding a 6'7" player with a 6'10.5" wingspan and shotblocking abilities in EJ Liddell. Also, let's hope 6'8" and sneaky athletic (required to say that for all white players that can jump) Kyle Young has two healthy legs next year as well.

As far as the Big 10, Rutgers had the tallest team in the league and was top ten in the country in height. They had a nice season but still nowhere near an NIT team. And Sparty had two players over 6'9", but neither got any regular mins. The two tallest players in their rotation are Nick Ward and Xavier Tillman, both 6'8." They won the Big 10, won the Big 10 tourney, and just beat Duke to go to the Final 4.

And why does osu need an international player? I have nothing against them, but did Thad have any that made a major impact on his multiple Big 10 title teams? Maybe he did, but I cannot recall who they were.

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The Rill Dill's picture

Radinovich was pretty good, so yes.

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bsk33's picture

I hope this is a joke. We should recruit international players because Velimir Radinovich was an ok center for Jim O'Brien 15 years ago?

The Buckeyes were 8th and 9th place in the Big 10 in Velimir's final 2 years as a Buckeye. Even if they weren't mediocre/bad, not sure how a guy that played 2 coaching regimes ago is relevant to the program right now.

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buckeyeinWI's picture

If LeDee was 6'9," I'm 6' 3"...

I'm not 6'3"...

GO BUCKEYES!

16-2 is SWEET!

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bsk33's picture

Ledee's height may be inaccurate, but I am sure osu is not the only school that has a player or two (or more) with listed heights not matching up with the actual heights.

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Homey1970's picture
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brutus360's picture

Damn Homey! I really enjoyed that clip. 

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Homey1970's picture

Of course, the lyrics don’t really contain “LeDee” but every time I see his name, I think back to the classic ‘90s dance hit from Eiffel 65.

Somebody cue Chris Kattan.

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brutus360's picture

Chris was a funny dude. Just stopped being in the limelight. Too bad

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

Perhaps Holtmann will take a look at Zach Loveday out of Gallipolis. Kid is a 7-footer who knows how to shoot and dribble the ball for that 2020 class.  Reminds me of Cody Zeller from the Hoosiers a few years ago....

Saban on a cart eating cold pizza

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Buckeye46's picture

I agree with Rosenbeck, Ledee was a step slow guarding centers. Just not athletic enough for power forward.

Buckeye46

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Delamobob's picture

Why hasn't there been anything about getting Nate Sestina from Bucknell as a grad transfer? He's big and can rebound and shoot well, and he could start at the 4 alongside Kaleb. And he almost beat us this year.

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Buxki84's picture

After knocking out Andre's front teeth, that's probably a no.

I'd rather be a minute early than an hour early, 'cause I like to procrastinate.

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Blackcoffee's picture

I doubt anyone can guess what Holtmann is thinking he "needs" to get them where they need to go, beyond what we already know, which is Diallo. Would not even surprise to see an offer to Roderick. Desperation recruiting is a losers game.

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Sanitarian2's picture

Do you consider Roderick to be a desperation move?

Sani

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Blackcoffee's picture

No. If he offers him. But he won't offer anyone out of sheer desperation. So, if he does offer, it follows that he sees a fit for him. In the big pic, as it were.

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AC's picture

I doubt anyone can guess what Holtmann is thinking he "needs" to get them where they need to go, beyond what we already know, which is Diallo.

This is spot on.

We know he wants Diallo (offered him, Diallo came for an official visit, Holtmann flew out and visited Diallo in California), outside of that there are a lot of directions Holtmann could decide to go.

Heck Holtmann could decide that he does not even “need” to add a player with the final scholarship and instead could reward a senior walk on like Danny Hummer (probably unlikely). If he believes the young guys will develop to where adding a grad transfer is a marginal addition at best, he may decide to hold off on adding one so that it doesn’t impede the development of those currently on the team. Again that may not be likely (and I’m not necessarily advocating it), but it speaks to your point. Holtmann has a lot of directions he can go. 

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SpaceCoast's picture

Hard to believe a savvy guard couldn't get a 7-footer with wings like Diallo 3 or 4 easy dunks a game.

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OldColumbusTown's picture

Exactly.  And OSU should have a few of those on the roster the next two years at least.

I think people get caught up in the fact the offense only looked good when Kaleb Wesson was in the game as the team's sole post presence.  I've said it before and I'll say it again - this year's OSU roster had basically ZERO guys who could consistently create their own shot.  Without Kaleb, defenses could play OSU straight up and were not scared of anyone being able to hurt them alone, or creating shots for others.

Whether or not OSU gets a backup big who has a solid post game, next year's team has some new blood that can hopefully help create more open shots for teammates.  Walker and Carton alone can break down their men off the bounce, force defensive rotations, and hopefully find open shooters or guys cutting to the rim.  We don't know for sure, but Liddell could be a good enough offensive player as a freshmen to force the defense to account for him with more than one man.

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

Diallo had previously said that it was down to Pittsburgh and us. Said he hopes to decide by the end of the month...... It's the end of the month.
Young man, come make us a rebounding powerhouse. We could use a big BB boom. Please make us happy.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Blackcoffee's picture

OMG! Is is art imitating life, or you cannot. make. this. shit. up. ? Whatever, this could be filed under news of the weird. Gotta trust in the process. Man, that dude can clog up some lanes.

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Buck61's picture

The entire Brunk situation is very interesting to me, he has two years of eligibility available but how many coaches want to offer him and tie up a scholarship for two years ( I am aware that is technically a one year with renewals).  I doubt Holtmann wants a cycle with only one scholarship available, and Holtmann would not have a good look by pushing Brunk out after just one year. Brunk is in a great situation by getting two years of grad school paid while playing basketball.

If the Bucks sign Diallo, hopefully Oden sticks around helps mentor him. Diallo would benefit from having another seven footer to work with

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wigmon's picture

Not sure of the best route to go.  I personally don't think Diallo is ready for any kind of role at a major D1 university (Young will be a better option as a backup).  For the next year or two, it would be more beneficial to have a grad transfer with experience.  However, then that leaves you in a predicament in a couple of years when both Kaleb and the grad transfer are gone and you have no experience at the position. 

With the Ledee transfer, the best case scenario would be to get a 1 year grad transfer and either a center in the '19 class (redshirt him) or one in the '20 class who is a little more ready to go.  I am guessing that we are giving Diallo serious consideration because the '20 prospects don't look all that great.

My preference.  Look for another strong, athletic PF type.  Good centers are nearly impossible to find, but you can't play 6'8, 210 pound guys at the center.  MSU just beat the beat team in the land playing mostly with a 6'7" PF (Goins) and 6'8" center (Tillman) and essentially a 6 man rotation.  Why, because those guys were athletic enough to help on ball screens and strong enough to keep post guys form getting good position.  I'd rather go that route than the 7' project.

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zeketolliver's picture

I'm not so sure adding a grad transfer will be an option. Who would want to transfer in and be a back-up as a senior? It seems they're more likely to find a walk-on to back-up Wesson than they are to get a grad transfer.

It seems like young centers/big men are the only real option with this roster.

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bsk33's picture

Giddens averaged 13 mins a game as a soph and 8 mins a game as a junior. I think he has been humbled enough that 5-15 mins a game off the bench might not bother him too much, or at all.

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461buckeye's picture

Just imagine that we would have had Cassius Winston running the show and MSU had our guards.MSU certainly would not still be playing and we would have had a really good shot at the elite 8 if not more.With a penetrating guard who can also create points at any time it can change the whole dynamics of a team and watching a good guard dumping off to Wesson or whoever in the paint would be a thing of beauty.When is the last time Big 10 coaches had to gameplan against the buckeyes with that ability.Izzo is a very good coach but Winston is making him look like a genius.It would be tremendous if the Carton kid can develop like that and also decide to stick around more than 1-2 years.

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