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ohiowhitesnake's picture

I’ll take lofty expectations that sometimes go unfulfilled over a September Heisman.

Michigan is a basketball school

Feed the trolls

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DurhamBuckeye's picture

Michigan is a basketball school

And a darn good one, also.  One of the top two in their state.

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Buckinnati's picture

Chris Weber's timeout. One of my favorite memories.

"Our kind of families win a few more football games than others." Coach Hayes

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OSU56's picture

’ll take lofty expectations that sometimes go unfulfilled over a September Heisman.

The boys up north lead in September Heismans- they even have two time winners too......

Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.

 

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Hockey Buck's picture

This is so true and hilarious. However, if that is Shoelace, then he is the only SCum qb to beat the Buckeyes after 2003. Yes, they barely pulled out the victory at home against that 7 loss OSU team was the worst in over 100 years and sure he has less victories then John Cooper in the series, but even without a Heisman, he cancelled a lot of Gold Pants.

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CatfishBibs11's picture

Sparty lost in the first game in 2011 to Wisconsin. So they are 2-1 in Indy.

The question isn’t who is going to let me; it’s who is going to stop me. –Ayn Rand

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Forget about it...he's on a roll...

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DataBuck's picture

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

The truth is in the details...

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Ramzy Nasrallah's picture

The therapy that erased every tragic detail from the 2011 season was money well spent.

Crumb's picture

It's true. There was only one game that year and that was when Braxton Miller made Russell Wilson forever 0-1 against Ohio State. 

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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MaineStrength's picture

I hope to say that one day soon about the last 12 years :/

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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MercyTex's picture

Looking hard for disappointing performances.  I hate the offseason. Interesting data. 

Our people are everywhere, Esto Dignus.

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UrbanCulture's picture

The years we have been ineligible, we have lost the *only* game on our schedule we could not afford to lose. 

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BuckeyeGuy1973's picture

Due to an absurd decision by the administration to play a Gator Bowl game with a 6-6 record in 2011, Ohio State had to face the music in 2012 for "tatgate" ... If only Gene Smith would have had any foresight, and benched that 2011 team with self-imposed sanctions, we would have been spared the 2012 Alabama 42-14 blow out of Notre Dame ... Imagine what could have been, winning a National Title against Notre Dame!

Technically (and obviously), OSU should have been to 4 of the eight games ... the 2013 game still hurts, with that 4th and 2 stop ... but that loss paved the way for a new DB coach (Ash) that celebrated press coverage with reckless abandon ... Would you trade the 2013 loss for a 2014 win and CFP national championship? Absolutely ...

That 2015 MSU game ... in the rain ... Zeke carrying the ball 12 total times ... that stings even more ... MSU got blanked by Alabama ... that OSU team would have given Alabama one heck of a game ...

And yes, Michigan is a basketball school ... and at 12:34 pm Central time, still sucks ...

O ... H ... '96

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DurhamBuckeye's picture

I feel like the NCAA would have taken their "pound of flesh" even if the the Buckeyes self imposed a bowl ban instead of accepting a Gator Bowl bid.  

If they didn't, then the poll voters would have.  I just don't think there is any way the Buckeyes would have played ND in that championship game.  

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BrutusB's picture

I can't blame Gene for not accurately predicting what the NCAA would do. The NCAA doesn't even know what it's going to do most of the time.  UNC fake classes, Cam Newton's dad, Manziel literally photohraphed taking money, Baylor sex abuse = not a single bowl ban.  Hell, even if we self-imposed one there's no reason the NCAA wouldn't just add a second year on top of it anyway (USC and Penn State both got 2-year bans).

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Buckloving's picture

Doesn't matter what the NCAA would or wouldn't do. He should have done it because it was the right thing to do

bobbyd

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IGotAWoody's picture

Right. If he self-imposed in 2011, and then the NCAA gave us a bowl ban in 2012 (a very real possibility), then people would've bitched and moaned about self-imposing a ban.

It was a no-win situation, and he made the best choice given the circumstances.

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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Buckloving's picture

There's a bunch of cry babies on here and I could give a shit less what they think. I know what the right thing to do is because my mommy and daddy taught me

bobbyd

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hetuck's picture

Gene relied on the high-priced advice of Chuck Smrt that they were in the "sweet spot." It turned out he was more than an "a" from being smart. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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gr8bucks's picture

They didn't get 2 years for tats and trinkets. I don't know which psu transgression you refer, but if it was Thee transgression, well...and if you are talking reggie bush, usc fought the ncaa tooth and nail and probably got an extra year for that alone. Osu cooperated famously and self imposed, which neither of the other two did. One year would have sufficed. 

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niblick's picture

'10 and '12 were certainly very frustrating and had the "omg we got robbed" feeling.  '15, '16, '17 and '18 were 100% on the coaching staff and Urban getting soft.  His staff was never the same after '14 and his willingness to make the tough decisions, both on the field and on his staff, were gone.  The under-performing coaches were allowed to linger around on the staff FAR too long.  FAR too much rope was given to players on the field that should have been replaced long ago for reasons I still cant fathom somehow trumped winning.  Dabo and Nick both showed the stones to make those very decisions in the past 2 years and both have a trophy to show for it.

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BrutusB's picture

Can't disagree with you there.  Hopefully Day has the same killer instinct (ie, If Miller looks better in practice in 2020 he should steal Fields' job). 

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BuckInNashville's picture

Niblick - amen brother.  Whenever I hint at this I am scolded on this site for being spoiled.  That's not spoiled - that's disgust with the facts.  You brought the players here.  Why the hell did you leave them in the hands of incompetence ? 

And then why did you keep running the QB when everyone in the stadium and on TV knew it was coming ?  That's why I say shame on JT haters.  Everyone knew what was coming and he still beat 'em.  

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

F it.  Receiving Disagree Votes after making a legit but unpopular opinion are fun to collect.

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gr8bucks's picture

lol It's funny you laud one for doing the same as the one you criticize. The Only thing it comes down to is execution and as the saying goes, I'm all for yours. 

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BuckInNashville's picture

 Not sure I follow - are you saying that I am lauding JT for the same reason I am criticizing Urban ?

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BrutusB's picture

It's fair to say we've underachieved with regards to conference titles (even if we would have won 2012).  Alas, not much we can do about it now - except win the next five in a row to help average things out.

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Lighteyes's picture

Tress got six in a row. Sure, he shared some of them. You want to imagine JT in the unified title era? 

In fairness, Tressel wouldn't have made the unified conference title game in at least two of those years - 2005 and 2008, Ohio State is finishing second in the B1G Leaders/East, thanks to having the same record as Penn State and a head-to-head loss. And in 2010, depending on the divisional alignment, Ohio State might not have made it either - Ohio State had the worst record in the shared head-to-head triumverate (OSU: 0-1, Wisconsin 1-1, Sparty 1-0). So if they used the same "Leaders" division setup they had originally, Ohio State finished second to Wisconsin, if they use the current B1G East setup, who knows.

It's interesting how much the B1G title games has changed legacies - if Tress was 4 of 10 with a national title (missing 2005/2008/2010), he'd still be justifiably revered but it wouldn't sound quite as impressive as 7 titles in 10 years. And on the flip side, if the season ended after TTUN and shared titles still existed, Meyer would be a perfect 7 for 7 in 'conference titles' thanks to 2012's undefeated season, 2013 and 2015 shares with Sparty and 2016 share with Penn State.

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BrutusB's picture

Yea but by the same token, Tressel would have made the playoffs in 2002, 2005, 2006, and 2007 (granted, he might not have been top-4 if we had to play a CCG).  Meanwhile, Meyer wouldn't have made a single BCS title game in his OSU tenure (unless you make us eligible in 2012). 

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BuckeyeSaab's picture

We don't actually know who would have been in the BCS title games if the playoffs never happened because the methodology is completely different.  Any year we had 1 loss or less and there was less than 2 undefeated Power5 teams you can make an argument that Ohio State would have squeaked into the title game had the BCS not been replaced.

You can't even extrapolate from the BCS formula last used in the 2012 season because they were always tweaking it.  What would the BCS formula have looked like in 2017 or 2018?  No one knows.

Who is blue, fast and likes rangs?  The Dankey Kang.

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The Rill Dill's picture

Tressel was a better coach. There’s that.

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Hockeybuck's picture

There’s also head-to-head matchup. Meyer won.

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The Rill Dill's picture

So, Purdue must be better than Ohio State.

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gr8bucks's picture

Yours is the apples to apples I was looking for, I knew myer would have won a lot of bigs, but I didn't realize he'd have won a title every year under the old system. That's more than impressive. Yet someone on here said tress was the better coach. lol 

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The Rill Dill's picture

Woula coulda shoulda. Didn’t.

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andretolstoy's picture

Is it crazy that I still don’t understand what was bad about Tattoos for autographs especially since I see player signed jerseys on EBay every week? 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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MaineStrength's picture

Are the players profiting from those jerseys on EBay?  The players got extra benefits from the autographs for tatoos exchange.  They can give their autographs all they want, they just can't profit from it.  The NCAA is silly, I know.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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BuckeyeBen7.7's picture

The link about Christian Bryant not supposed to be in the field leads fo an article that just makes me bad. 2013 Hyde carried us wherever we needed, yet whenever the game got close for we needed yards on 3rd down, Braxton always got the call. We lost a Natty that year because of it.

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BrutusB's picture

Lol that teams defense couldn’t stop the “just pass to Sammy Watkins” playbook. Jameis would have thrown for 800 yards on us. 

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BuckeyeBen7.7's picture

And if we let Hyde simply ground them into a paste I like our chances.

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2morrow's picture

Hyde was averaging 7+ yards per carry - he was gashing them -and we got cute and ran BM. Exactly right Ben!

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infantrybuck's picture

People always bring this up, but I was at that game, and MSU started stuffing him in the 4th quarter and we wore down

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bucksfan92's picture

It's a bit misleading.  We all know what was going on here with the suspensions etc, and OSU still beat the team that won the title.  In 2012, OSU beat BOTH teams that played in the "championship" game and was the true champion being undefeated. 2013 was a shocking upset. Then when the realigned divisions Wisconsin was aligned to the weak division and still doesn't win it every year, and of course has never beaten OSU in Indy. 

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aabucks1996's picture

Exactly the points I wanted to make when I saw the headline.  UW is now 0-4 in CCG since re-alignment in 2014 and the BIG West is 0-5. 2012 is an asterisk.

You win with people

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stpetebuck's picture

Wisconsin was aligned to the weak division and still doesn't win it every year, and of course has never beaten OSU in Indy. 

This ^^

and 59-0 is the worst cobference title loss in all the infinite universes..... X2

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MaineStrength's picture

Cool article.  Most is very well said.  OSU does have all the riches of the conference and has for a while.  This really sums it up:

Maybe we're back at the beginning of conference title sustainability. Maybe we're staring at the first real drought since the Earle-Coop transition. Maybe three out of every eight is beyond a reasonable expectation for those of us buying bananas for $10 apiece. 

But, I can't agree here

Michigan's best shot at playing a game in Indianapolis is in March.

IMO OSU remains the favorite on paper because they still have more team talent than UM.  However, odds makers think UM is the favorite at home in 2019.  With a new coach at OSU, new QB, UM's first recruiting class ranking ahead of OSU in some time, and UM's first time expecting to have a returning starting QB (and some depth behind him) I think the game could go either way.  I doubt many will agree, but IMO UM appears poised to narrow the recruiting gap enough, and have enough depth to deal with injuries, to make this a more competitive series, even if OSU remains the favorite most years.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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IGotAWoody's picture

UM's first recruiting class ranking ahead of OSU in some time

This based on quantity only, which isn't the only way your logic is flawed, but it's the most glaring. OSU's recruiting class was smaller, which means we lost fewer players to the NFL and/or graduation. Which means more experience returning for the Buckeyes than TTUN.

Also, the quality of OSU's recruiting class was better, as the per player average was higher. So we have fewer freshmen joining the team, and the freshmen we do have will come in with higher recruiting rankings.

The only thing that's accurate is that TTUN has home field in 2019.

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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MaineStrength's picture

This based on quantity only, which isn't the only way your logic is flawed, but it's the most glaring.

That is how they rank the classes, right?  Ultimately, if you pick quantity as the tool to assess the best class it favors the larger class.  If you chose average star rating it favors the smaller class.  The compromise is to pick a specific number of each class to get a better apples to apples comparison.  If you were to only pick the top 5 from each class OSU has the advantage.  If you were to pick the top 10-15 from each class UM then takes the advantage.

OSU's recruiting class was smaller, which means we lost fewer players to the NFL and/or graduation. Which means more experience returning for the Buckeyes than TTUN.

UM loses 3 players on offense (Gentry, Higdon, & Bushell-Beatty) and 5 on defense (Winovich, Gary, Bush, Long, & Kinnel) for a total of 8 starters exiting.  OSU looses 6 players on offense (Haskins, Weber, Mclaurin, Campbell, Prince, and Jordan) and 3 players on defense (Bosa, Jones, & Sheffield) for a total of 9 lost starters from 2018 if my math is correct.

Also, the quality of OSU's recruiting class was better, as the per player average was higher. So we have fewer freshmen joining the team, and the freshmen we do have will come in with higher recruiting rankings.

See above, but again if you look at quantity as the rankings do, it favors the team with more signees in the class, which favors UM.  If you look at average star rating per player it favors the smaller class, which is OSU.  If you compare the same number of players within each class OSU's is better at the top, such as just looking at the top 5 or the single highest rated player.  But, if you look at say the top 10, the top 12, or the top 15 and average the same number of players in each class, then it still favors UM.  

The only thing that's accurate is that TTUN has home field in 2019.

I guess I'll take what I can get :)

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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stpetebuck's picture

Osu added higher ranked players to a roster that already had the highest average composite ranking average in the nation. So ttun probably lost ground ,again. 

But Woody is right , the new qb and home-field advantage are real. But Day isn’t a new coach and UFM is still part of the guidance system. Both teams have new defensive staff. But osu’s has a signicantly better odds of improving based on its worse-ever-in-history year.  ttun would be amazing if their defense repeats last year’s stats without its best 2 players. 

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MaineStrength's picture

Osu added higher ranked players to a roster that already had the highest average composite ranking average in the nation. So ttun probably lost ground ,again. 

Are you speaking to the 2019 recruiting class or to overall roster talent?  I think we've covered the '19 class already, but to recap, OSU's 2019 recruiting class is smaller and has a higher average rating.  UM's class is larger, but has a lower average rating.  If you take the same number of guys from each class to compare OSU's average is better if you only look at the top 5, UM's is better if you only look at the top 10-15.  Both classes are similarly good, just in different ways, but UM maintains the better ranking. 

If we look at total roster talent, last year according to 247 OSU had the #1 overall team talent.  UM had the #8 overall team talent.  My hunch is OSU drops down a spot or two due to the early departures and a higher ranked class exiting (#7) than coming in (#14), which will average in total reduced team talent.  I'd predict UM moves up a spot or two due to fewer departures and a higher ranked class coming in (#8) than going out (#37), but that's a projection.  Both teams added highly ranked transfers.  Either way OSU maintains the more talented roster overall, but the gap between the two schools will be reduced in 2019 (#3ish to #6ish) from 2018 (#1 to #8).

But osu’s has a signicantly better odds of improving based on its worse-ever-in-history year

I'm not sure what you mean here.  How was 2018 OSU's worst year in history?  But, UM is currently the odds on favorite to win the game according to Vegas spreads.  I personally disagree with that, but that's where the odds are now.  That will almost guaranteed change up or down in some way before the game, but OSU currently does not have better odds of winning the game.

ttun would be amazing if their defense repeats last year’s stats without its best 2 players.

Last year UM was #2 overall for team defense, so they probably aren't quite that high in 2019, but Brown has averaged a top 10 defense in his tenure at UM, so I doubt they drop back too much.  I'd guess they're in the 5-10 range.  They lose Gary, Winovich, Bush, Long, & Kinnel on defense.  They replace Gary with 4-star sophomore Hutchinson or junior Paye.  They replace Winovich with 4-star Villain or Paye.  Paye will split snaps at one of those spots.  They replace Bush with 4-star junior Ross (4-star junior Thomas & 4 star sophomore McGrone are also competing for that spot).  They replace Long with 4-star junior Thomas.  They replace Kinnel with either 4-star senior Hawkins or 5-star freshman Dax Hill.  Everyone but Hill has experience and got snaps last year, but Hill was the #1 safety in the '19 class.  I think their defense will remain a strength.  I think the DEs production will drop slightly, but not much.  The interior of the d-line will probably improve.  Ross probably wont' be as good as Bush, but with the other LBs returning (Hudson & Uche) and Ross good in his own right, I doubt the LB position is hurting.  The DBs I'd expect an improvement as Thomas and Long are comparable and I think Hill will be better than any UM safety in quite some time with Matellus a senior beside him, but he's a true freshman so you never know.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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stpetebuck's picture

1. Referring to last years overall composite player ranking. https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/

2. Referring to worst defense in yards surrendered in osu history. 

3. And yes they will not repeat as #2 defense as you pointed out. 

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Buckinnati's picture

We also added the #2 overall 2018 recruit in Justin Fields this year. He is the best of Haskins and JT combined. He stays healthy, we march on to victory all the way to a Natty.

"Our kind of families win a few more football games than others." Coach Hayes

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MaineStrength's picture

We also added the #2 overall 2018 recruit in Justin Fields this year. He is the best of Haskins and JT combined

He's a highly rated recruit, but that's about it so far.  That's lofty praise for a guy with very little experience and zero starts in his career.  I doubt many experts think he is a better thrower than Haskins.

He stays healthy, we march on to victory all the way to a Natty.

I do agree that his performance is a primary key to OSU's season.  If he lives up to his recruiting profile, I think you're right that OSU will be in the mix for the NC.  If he does not, and the defense doesn't show significant improvement, OSU could take a step back from it's perennial spot atop the conference.  Only time will tell, but it should be an exciting season for all fans.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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infantrybuck's picture

On paper at least, Shea in year two, with Collins, Black and DPJ seems like a potential very formidable passing attack with a competent play caller.

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BuckeyeGuy1973's picture

Only reason *ichigan's recruiting class was ranked ahead of OSU's is by QUANTITY, not QUALITY ... OSU was top 3 in star rating ...

It's 10:03 am in Chicago, and *ichigan STILL sucks ... 

O ... H ... '96

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MaineStrength's picture

Only reason *ichigan's recruiting class was ranked ahead of OSU's is by QUANTITY, not QUALITY

There's two ways to look at the quality vs quantity argument.  The quantity rankings obviously favor the larger class and the quality rankings obviously favor the smaller class.  Neither are true comparisons of different sized classes.  If you want a true apples to apples comparison you have to decide an equal number to compare from each class.  Let's say for arguments sake you only think the top 15 guys in each class will mostly likely make an impact, so you only compare the top 15 in each class.  UM's top 15 have a higher average rating than OSU's top 15.  The same holds true for the average of the top 10 guys in each class.  OSU's main advantage in the average per player ranking if you compare an equal number of guys is really only at the very top.  The top 5 guys from OSU are higher than the top 5 guys from UM. 

Both classes are strong, but different.  Ultimately you have to decide if only the top 5 matter or more like the top 10-15 guys matter.  But, saying OSU's class is better based on quality over quantity is just as misleading as the other way around.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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villain612's picture

Eh, counting 2011 and 2012 amongst the 8 is a little unfair. All the suspensions and coaching changes for 2011. Obviously the post season ban in 2012. 2013 was a disappointment for sure but that Michigan State team might have been the best team Dantonio has had there.

2015 is the big underachievement season. (note: we are spoiled but it is what it is)

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Dillon G's picture

Wisconsin and Sparty have not raised the Crystal football or the new Playoff trophy.

#walkaway

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Nutinpa's picture

While a sure-fire HOF coach, Meyer's legacy will be debated for quite a while.  He was arguably the best, national recruiter that Ohio State has ever had.  He elevated the coaching in the conference - no doubt.  When he arrived, the Big Ten was a joke.  With his retirement, the Big Ten East is considered the best division in football - unless you ask someone living in the south.  His wins (2014) were epic and his losses were too.  His program has dominated the first night of the NFL draft for 4 years and will this year as well. On the other side of the coin, historians will shrug with a 'meh' that he only achieved one NC in his tenure for all the talent that he recruited.  Like I said, it's fodder for debate that will last a long time. 

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CowCat's picture

Some confusing logic.

Of course Wisconsin is going to make the B1G championship practically every year, because the West division sucks. If they had to play Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State and Penn State every year it would be a different story.

Ohio State does have a ton of great talent, but they play in the toughest division in all of college football. Beating PSU, MSU and housing UM is no joke.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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Nutinpa's picture

Yeah, well that sucky Western Division has fielded teams that have handed us our asses two years in a row. 

And while we don't have to give a damn what they think (we don't).... people living along the southeastern Gulf coast are laughing like hell at the claim that we are in the "toughest division in all of college football", 

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CowCat's picture

Yes, there is no doubt that we've laid a turd on the field the past two seasons. But that doesn't mean that the B1G East isn't the strongest division in the country. Let Alabama come up north and play OSU, UM, PSU and MSU every year. It's not even close.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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gr8bucks's picture

I'm not sure using al is showing div. strength, it's 1 team. Recent years they'd run roughshod over listed teams, doesn't matter where they played. Their best is better than ours save for 1 year. The Only team that's been consistently good for over 20 years is osu. You could say the east is best now, but it's unknowable and what matters is, what the best team out of the league does in the playoff. 

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Nutinpa's picture

Maybe. 

But IMHO, I'd rather play Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, and Rutgers every year than Alabama, LSU, Mississipi State and Texas A &M. 

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Hovenaut's picture

The expectations don't always match the reality.

But they do enough of the time for Ohio State, and I think that continues on under Day.

I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...

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Nutinpa's picture

It definitely continues under Day, Hove.  Lincoln Riley set the bar as a new, young coach, who replaced a highly successful coach and had instant success, including two consecutive Heisman winners and two trips to the cf playoffs. Riley and Day are cut from similar cloth, so yes, the expectations are high for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the full cupboard Meyer left behind.  

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Hovenaut's picture

Woody Hayes was also a new, young coach once upon a time (the same age as Day...38).

It's good to be a Buckeye.

I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...

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gr8bucks's picture

The chances that two qb's transfer to a school and win a heisman in back to back years has to be astronomical. To have a transfer win a heisman for a 3rd year in a row has to be .ooooo1,  so yes, I'm saying there's a chance. 

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MaineStrength's picture

I'd be surprised if there weren't any growing pains going from Meyer to Day, however OSU has shown that just about anyone they hire will be successful.  They have the most in state talent in the mid-west and no other P5 team in their state to compete for them.  And, Meyer has built quite a national recruiting record that Day should at the least be able to take some advantage of.  Day has already shown he can run the offense.  The only question is can they fix the defense and will Day be as good at beating UM as Meyer was.  Only time will tell, but he has all the resources to do so and walked into a perfect situation.

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BuckeyeinExile's picture

My son was in fact conceived that special night in 2014 which was also my birthday. Arguably the best day in my life!

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Hockey Buck's picture

Perfect article, yet again Mr. Nasrallah.

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BuckeyeDevil's picture

I have to confess that I thought that Urban would have added two more National Championships to Ohio State's illustrious record book before he left. But we really shouldn't complain about 3 B1G titles and 1 Natty in his 7 years of which in only 6 were the Buckeyes really eligible for the post-season. How many other teams in the league can claim that? 

The only thing that really leaves a bad taste in my mouth is the 2015 season. IF the committee did the right thing, Ohio State would have been the second B1G team in the playoff and would have destroyed anything in its path. That was probably the best team in Meyer's tenure and was badly mishandled. 

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EnonBuck79's picture

Those Rutgers 2011 and 2012 classes......
Has anyone done a "Where are they now?"

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Sonof'47alum's picture

We could look at this from another angle: in national recruiting, Alabama has had the number one class I think every single year but one in the past six or seven seasons.  Yet, during the six years Urban’s teams were eligible to compete for the natty, Alabama won it all “only” twice, Clemson won the natty twice, Ohio State and Florida State each won one.

Surprises happen on the field regardless of recruiting rankings—always have and always will.

Unless you turn have Big Ten football emulate the Premier League—that is, schedule it so that all teams play one another home and away, and let the best overall record determine the champion—the  truly “best” team is less likely to prevail.

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gr8bucks's picture

Convoluted thinking like that is mind boggling. It's impossible to compare one sports' champion with another's. The best team is, and always will be, the one that is on top, through their format. 

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Sonof'47alum's picture

Gr, I guess I didn’t express myself clearly enough.  All I’m trying to say is that, given the format of conference play in the Big Ten (and the number of quality teams in the Buckeyes’ division), it’s more conducive to upsets happening.  I’m not disputing the fact that whoever emerges as champion in the existing format deserves to be recognized as champion.  

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Crumb's picture

One way or another, this fall, hold on to your butts. 

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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My Dad Is A Wolverine But I'm A Buckeye's picture

I hope so...I think the biggest struggle will be mitigating our expectations this fall. We may not be the best for the first time in a long time, but the pieces are all still there. Just beat TTUN. Do that and the rest will come into focus.

Number 1 rule in life: always beat That Team Up North. 

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GunnerBuck's picture

Lets be real. Wisc is and was a fake champion during their "run". 2011, we beat them despite not having a HC and losing 90% of our starting offense. 2012 we also beat them (and everyone else) but were unable to participate in post season (which is bullshit given todays climate but I digress). So that leaves 2010. Congrats to them I guess? I'd still take our success over what they've done. 

"Come on, you sons of b!tches! Do you want to live forever?" -- Dan Daly, WWI

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