Myles Martin Suffers Shocking Upset As Three Buckeyes Advance to the Finals of the NCAA Wrestling Championships

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NH-IO's picture

How the Buckeyes continue to fail to be able to wrestle from the tops is Ryan;s biggest failure.

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LoufromOSU's picture

They aren't necessarily stellar from the bottom either.

"Great moments are born from great opportunities."  - Herb Brooks

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Waterbeagle's picture

Martin ...very disappointing.  Mystifying 

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ISURVIVEDCOOPER's picture

Heartbroken for Miles... I hope he doesn't let this one haunt him

"I don't apologize for anything.  When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes

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German Buckeye's picture

Sorry but Martin simply choked.  He looked unaware, disinterested and unagressive. Didn’t set up shots and had no time awareness.  4 in finals could have gotten us a team victory if PSU slipped up but 3 in finals (although great for McKenna, Jordan and Moore) won’t do it.  Bad time for Martin to wrestle his worst against inferior opponent.  Everything lined up for him seed wise and he didn’t perform to his ability. Here’s hoping Moore can upset Nickal, would love to see that.  

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NorthPoleBuckeye's picture

He looked unaware, disinterested and unagressive.

If this is true, what was the coach doing to help him?

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fishleehooker's picture

Once you step on the mat, non one can help you. That is why you practice for all the situations.  All coach can do is yell, but that doesn't help very much honestly.  Myles had a twilight zone moment.  I am stunned, but it has happened to even better wrestlers than Martin. 

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LoufromOSU's picture

Well you summed up a big difference in the programs. The Penn State top dogs don't go into a semi final match disinterested. Even if they stall to death after getting a lead, they win. If 1 buckeye wins a title, I will be surprised. McKenna has the best shot now.

"Great moments are born from great opportunities."  - Herb Brooks

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CasualObserver's picture

McKenna beating Lee was the first time Penn State has lost a semifinal match since I think 2017.

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Desymond's picture

Great interview AV. Any thoughts on the reffing in the Hidley-Nolf match? What were other reporters/coaches/athletes saying about it?

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Andy Vance's picture

I’ll remain objective, but just say I heard, “Penn State gets all the calls,” more than once tonight.

HeritageBuck's picture

Dude, we we're all screaming that same thing at the TV last night. Makes it worse that it's in PA, and everyone is making a huge deal about so many PA wrestlers.

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CasualObserver's picture

I don't think the PA kids numbers are any different than usual. FLO will put out a "by the numbers" article after the tournament, though. Placement by class, by seed, etc. Lots of good nuggets usually.

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HENRYJONESJR's picture

My opinion - it was a close call.  It appeared that control or lack there of was not established until Nolf's knees was off the mat and that was likely caused it to be overturned.  Very close though - but what do I know only thousands of hours spent on the resilite.

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CasualObserver's picture

This is third-hand knowledge (from an official at NCAAs, not that match). Control didn't happen until after the clock expired.

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BuckeyeDropout's picture

Thanks AV. 

Feeling for MyMar, but love the composure out of Moore.

Tomorrow’s a new day. 

What we have currently available is what we have available.

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The Cynic's picture

Ordinarily I’m pretty tough on Ryan’s coaching. But aside from Miles, the tournament has gone well thus far. I’m surprised that Campbell and Smith won the matches they did, and am happy Pletcher made the semis. MyMar was less aggressive than usual and should’ve made a better effort to hold Dean down. I know his game is catch and release, but if you can’t catch him very well, you better not release. It’s hard for me to understand how both NaTo and MyMar can win as freshmen, and never win again. We absolutely need to improve our mat wrestling. We’re far behind PSU there.

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Knarcisi's picture

I’ve been taking about mat wrestling for 2 years. And I’m an untrained eye. But it’s easy to see when you watch PSU vs us. And we are continuing to see it. 

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LoufromOSU's picture

You have been on this a while. And while he had a great career, I was not in favor of hiring BoJo on the staff since he is of the same mold.

"Great moments are born from great opportunities."  - Herb Brooks

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Knarcisi's picture

Wasn’t able to watch it being in the middle of the night here, but I thought last time vs Dean that Myles was way too passive. Wrestled with a 2 point end like it was 6. And looked to me here that he made a mistake with the last turn at 15 seconds in the scramble to give up the takedown. Just hold on for dear life for 15 seconds. 

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CasualObserver's picture

I think Ohio State has 2nd locked up. Oklahoma State can mathematically catch them, but I don't see it being feasible.

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MDBuckeye2002's picture

I am heart broken for MyMar but this program is in the best hands possible with Ryan at the helm. Could some portions of what this team does on the mat improve? Sure, but you never can say these guys aren't all class acts.

Today is a new day. Go hard Buckeyes!

"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."

Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987

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The Cynic's picture

Ryan is Urban 2.0. An elite recruiter who needs to address the areas of his team that are weak. I’ve yet to see that. Next year will be more of the same with PSU on top. Cassar and Rasheed are both likely to get a 6th year, and they would be favored even without them. The following year, when all PSU’s current stars are gone is when we can make another good run. We bring in several studs like Kharchla, Kerkvliet, and Decatur, and hopefully Amos next year who will all be contenders out of the gate. Sasso, Hoffman, Kinner and maybe Mattox should all be very good as well. 

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Knarcisi's picture

Hopefully some guys that bring some may wrestling to them. Note our 2 best guys in top - McKenna and Campbell - are transfers.

It cost Jordan a win last time vs Ashnault. Other than the mistake he made at the end, he chooses neutral in the 2nd  rather than getting the escape point and he also gave up a lot of easy releases. 

Big difference in these top matches when you have 2 takedowns between going to the 2nd period 4-2 and going 4-1 with over a minute of riding time. Huge difference. 

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The Cynic's picture

It’s frustrating watching our guys in top position. They seem to have no idea how to hold guys down, much less work tilts. Logan was elite at it, but we haven’t been very good at it since. And of course watching them try to get up from bottom is painful. It’s like we are a FS team.

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Knarcisi's picture

That’s what we are. At least what I’ve seen that we are. Catch release, catch release. All our guys do it. Martin, Moore, Jordan.

i didn’t see the Martin match but he had, what 2 takedowns and a top position from one of the periods and had no riding time point? 

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The Cynic's picture

It is what we are, and that needs to change. We won’t beat PSU like this. 

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BuckeyeRy4's picture

Congrats to Joey, Micah, and Kollin. Good luck this morning to Luke and Myles. Still feeling a bit stunned after Martin's loss, but I think the familiarity helped Dean more than it did Myles last night.

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HeritageBuck's picture

We've got to be more aggressive on top. PSU guys maul their opponents relentlessly. McKenna and Moore are more aggressive than most which is why I think they made the finals. But if the team mentality were to be the abuser on top, it's simple math that we'll win more matches. Good luck to all our Buckeye finalists!

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Keyser Soze's picture

Did any of you complaining about martin actually watch the matches? Dean should have been called for stalling at least 5 times and he Never got a simgle warning call. Martin was trying his heart out but when a D1 stud wrestler is backing up and playing defense all match and keeping a huge distance between you and him it is nearly impossible for anyone even hall nolf or nickel to get the takedown. That’s why there are rules against it and the stalling calls that are supposed to award points in efforts to make the other wrestler more aggressive and on the offensive.

MyMar is awesome and should have never had to deal with shitty officiating that he did.  If anyone wants to retort please go to espn and rewatch the match yourself. 

That's how winners play. We convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.

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LoufromOSU's picture

Blaming the officials is low hanging fruit. He has no one to blame but himself for that loss.

"Great moments are born from great opportunities."  - Herb Brooks

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Knarcisi's picture

What the actual fuck?  Martin in his 3rd place match is up 5-2 (no riding time, of course)  had just gotten a takedown and goes out of bounds. Back to the center with over a minute and he goes option start!  Cuts it to 5-3 and damn near got taken down in a scramble again. What the actual fuck are he and Tom Ryan doing?

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HENRYJONESJR's picture

This is not on the coach.  This is all on the wrestler at this point and time.  He is not calling plays like a football or basketball coach.   Do not tell me that Tom Ryan failed pump him up or something lame like that.  Yes - you can say what the fuck is Martin doing.   

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Knarcisi's picture

No, no, no. He comes back from out of bounds and looks at the corner before resting at center. You fucking make him go on top and ride. 

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HENRYJONESJR's picture

That would depend on the match.  He is obviously much more comfortable on his feet.  A four-time all-American and might know what he is doing.  Easy to make the call watching on TV.

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HENRYJONESJR's picture

yes - it is not whether or not if you agree with what he did.  There was a reason.  I will defer to you if you have as much experience coaching Martin as the OSU coaches.

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HENRYJONESJR's picture

Also - I am not an untrained eye as you state you are.  Thousands of hours spent in this sport.  

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SilverState's picture

Myles himself said he went in overconfident and lost focused.

"Year for what?"

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HENRYJONESJR's picture

so how is this the coaches fault.   If responding to the thread

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SilverState's picture

I'm saying it's less Ryan's fault...

"Year for what?"

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Knarcisi's picture

He put himself in a dangerous position. And your argument was that Ryan had noting to do with it and now you’re say he did. Which he did. So I don’t give a shit how many hours you spent on the sport. It was a risky decision that almost bit him. 

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HENRYJONESJR's picture

Ryan had nothing to do with the way Martin failed to wrestle as well as he should have.  Do you even know what Martin's wrestling style is?  If you did you would know it is similar to Kyle Snyder's - they like to cut their opponents.  If Martin would have taken his opponent down - would you have disagreed or said, "I guess he knows what he is doing."  Martin - if wrestling well likely does take his opponent down 85% or more of the time in the situation like that.  So you do what got you there and not change the script.  I am not the one asking everyone, why did he do this - and then when someone tells you get mad at the explanation.  In this situation - he obviously was not wrestling well so you go to you what you do best.  No need to get mad - but this is 100% on Martin not the coach.  If the coach makes the right call in football and the WR drops it or the RB fumbles - do you blame the coach.  I guess you can.  If you do not want to listen to someone who has the knowledge and experience totally up to you.  Have a great day.

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Knarcisi's picture

Didn’t have to do with how he was wrestling. I never said that, so don’t make it more than that. It had to do with the singular decision of going optional start and giving the easy release. He looked to the corner and got the go ahead to do that. That’s a fact. And it’s also a fact that he put his opponent within a takedown of a tie match. So what if he gets a takedown 85% of the time?  He doesn’t need a takedown at that point. What are his opponents chances of tying the match from 5-3 on his feet from 5-2 and being on the bottom. Drastically higher. So if you want to throw probability into it, Martin increased his chances of getting the match extended. I’ll take any explanation that you have, but don’t throw style and the fact that you’ve spent thousands of hours doing this and asking if I know more than the coaching staff. And I know what his style is ... but keep condescending from your high horse. 

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HENRYJONESJR's picture

For the love of GOD.  He is the best on his feet in the entire weight class.  If he gets caught rolling around from being on top - which he has a tendency to ride high and thus putting him a potential position to get caught for a reversal and maybe back points too and there is the match.  If he cuts him loose and it takes the position away.  Now if he gets taken down it is tied but unlikely he get ridden out for the rest of the match and gets an escape and wins.   He did not cut him loose when up by only a point that would be a different position.  At the end of the day he won the decision was made you may not agree with it and that is fine.  

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Knarcisi's picture

There you go. Much, much better explanation than “if you know better than the coaching staff” and “I’ve spent thousands of hours doing this.”  I buy this. And I get it. I know what his style his. He’s not great on the mat, and part of my frustration is that he’s not, and we cannot ride out opponents like others seem to able to do. I guess I want Ryan to get them better on the mat. Teaching that lesson was way past, though, and not the time to do it in the last match of his collegiate career. 

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HENRYJONESJR's picture

Wrestling is exceptionally frustrating - and I agree you see many kids that are great on top and toss the legs in and ride for the entire period.  And I do not know better than the coaching staff - but did spend the time on the mat.  

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HENRYJONESJR's picture

I would think someone from the Ohio Valley would know.  Did you ever go to the OVACs in Wheeling when you were in school?  

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HENRYJONESJR's picture

I remember it always being cold and miserable that time of year.  A little bragging but here is a photo from the Times Leader of one of my finals matches there.

 
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