Wolverines Picking Up Pace Under New OC Gattis

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Zonabuck's picture

How are all those TEs going to keep pace with an up tempo offense?  I’m skeptical. 

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blu.fan's picture

I'll believe Harbaugh has "handed over the keys" when I see it on the field. And especially when I see it on the field against top talent (i.e., OSU.) In other words, right now, it is just hot air. More promises. Smh.

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mmp15f's picture

This is the way I've looked at the Gattis hire from the start. 

It seems like a good move to bring in a guy who has been coaching variations of the spread offense over the last few years--first at Penn State, and then at Bama this past season when they converted to the spread. The problem is that Harbaugh just seems like too much of a control freak to actually let Gattis install and run his offense

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blu.fan's picture

Personally, I think there obviously will be some collaboration. After all, every head coach is where the buck ultimately stops, and they have the power and authority to take over either the defense or offense at any time. The other thing is that Harbaugh has been around the block a few times and seen a reasonable amount of success at different levels. But in game planning and on Saturday afternoons, I hope that Gattis really is able to set the direction for the team. (Not that it will matter against OSU.)

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mmp15f's picture

 Personally, I think there obviously will be some collaboration.

Yeah, without a doubt.

The key is to find the right balance and create synergy. Ryan Day and Kevin Wilson, for example, have demonstrated an incredible ability to work together over these past two seasons which has been huge for us. 

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

I agree Blu, I would hope Harbaugh would realize the strength of this offense is the passing game. Harbaugh's offense didn't feature the best position group on the team. The slot guys were non existent. Nico Collins was considered 3rd best WR on the team yet he was consistently making plays against the Buckeyes last year. Would love to see a 3 or 4 wide receiver spead type attack and Patterson(preferably Mccaffrey IMO) throw the ball more than 20 times a game.

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MaineStrength's picture

 I think there obviously will be some collaboration.

Yes, I don't think JH is going to move completely away from any offensive involvement.  When he said he's handing the keys to Gattis IMO that means Gattis will install the offense he thinks will work and will call plays.  It doesn't mean they will start from scratch and get rid of everything UM did the past few years.  But, JH has said he (nor Warriner) won't be involved in the play calling, but likely will be involved in how the merge from their previous system to whatever Gattis wants to use is completed.  That was a terrible sentence, but I think you get it.

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

You're right to be skeptical. Ohio State fans were sold the same story when Kevin Wilson first showed up, but it wasn't until 2018 when Ryan Day (and Wilson and Hartline too) finally transformed the Ohio State offense into a juggernaut. 

I think it will take more than one season for Michigan to transform its offense, though it will probably improve from last year

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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Chargerbuck's picture

...and Urban decided to relinquish control—- don’t think it didn’t happen here.  To Urban’s credit, look what happened when he “let go of some of the control”...

I will believe it when I actually see it in Ann Arbor...  call me skeptical...

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Steel City Buckeye's picture

The only way Harbaugh would hand over the keys is if he is being forced to due to their lack of success.

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SC Wolverine's picture

That is a reasonable comment.  But Harbaugh is a hyper-competetive guy and his old way was just not working.  All the info coming from inside the program says that Harbaugh has turned over the keys.  We'll have to see how Gattis handles the increased responsibility and how his play-calling is.  But for Michigan fans, it is nice to see us no longer yielding a schematic advantage to the other team.  Tempo is a huge part of today's arsenal and we need to get the ball to our best play-makers.

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blu.fan's picture

Yeah, after the open practices, aka "Spring Game," and interviews with QB's, etc., it looks like things have changed. However, things have to happen to really tell. First, we need our 1st string receivers back. Second, we need to have the RB situation resolved. Third, we need to play in real competition. And fourth, finally, we need to see what happens vs. OSU, not just tin cans and cupcakes.

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allinosu's picture

This will put their defense in bad situations at times when they go three and out.

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huffdaddy's picture

Think the strength of the team will be Patterson + the first string WRs, so it makes sense to go at least a bit more uptempo. I don't see the RBs doing much damage unless teams are convinced Patterson might throw on first - then the RPO and zone read will open up.

As with Urban, though, I don't think Harbaugh changes the DNA that easily. 

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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blu.fan's picture

You're probably right (strength is Patterson and WR's.) If the WR's stay healthy, I see 3 - 4 guys out wide, and a couple solid guys in the slot, so this "could" be a huge strength.

There are a lot of unknowns at RB. However, that's one of the positions where a freshman has the opportunity to make a huge difference. Right now, the position looks disastrous. However . . . if Turner and Charbonnet are healthy, and Evans resolves his academic failings, that would change things incredibly.

However, the big unspoken is the OL. It has been terrible since Rich Rod. There have been scattered guys who are good, but not a team, not a unit of 5. I am ecstatic about Ed Warinner. The team improved last year, and reportedly is better this year. After wandering in the wilderness for year after year after year, it appears that Michigan is finally developing depth. No longer do Freshmen or undersized sophomores need to play. With two years to develop, one year to backup, and two years to play, the OL is becoming a strength. Warinner is the key for recruiting. They finally are able to focus on guys who have a high ceiling, but are raw and won't see the field for 3 years. I am all for bringing in 4 - 5 guys on the OL every year, getting to the point where you can roll the dice on kids who have the right frame and temperament, but need lots of time to develop.

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spiBuckeye's picture

Gotcha. My bad, thanks for the catch.

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Hovenaut's picture

Yep, no problem.

To the topic (thanks for quotes), I'm not sold Harbaugh totally evolves offensively under Gattis...but he's fortunate to have him aboard.

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GallowayGambleGinnWAR7's picture

Charbonnet may be it’s best RB since Anthony Thomas

I don’t see it.

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

Zach Charbonnet, considered by some to be closer to a 5-star RB. Michigan hasn't had great luck with their recent high profile RBs. He's missing the spring already getting his knee scoped.

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Ohbucksclan20's picture

Will never be worried about TTUN under Harbaugh

Go Bucks!

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NHBuckeye's picture

Let's slow the roll on thinking they are taking things to another level.  I don't believe Harbaugh will just let go of the play-calling / strategy.  And Gattis still has to prove he can handle calling plays full time.  I think they'll be better on Offense for sure though.  But we've heard that each year since ole Jimbo arrived.  

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mmp15f's picture

Completely agree with everything you've said here

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OSU56's picture

They have to continue with the Hype Mirage in some manner..............

Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.

 

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MaineStrength's picture

I think they'll be better on Offense for sure though.  But we've heard that each year since ole Jimbo arrived.  

Just to clarify, you've heard the offense will be better every year?  In all fairness they did improve quite a bit last year from the year before.  2015 and 2018 were decent years for the offense, albeit nothing fantastic.  Last year they were #25 in S&P overall offense.  2017 was going to be a difficult year no matter what due to the QB situation.  Jedd Fisch did a decent job with the offense in 2015, but he was missed the next few years when he left for UCLA.  The offensive line was also a problem under Drevno and has improved quite a bit with Warinner.  It's hard to pinpoint the play calling issue.  Was it Pep's fault?  JH's fault?  Was there too many cooks in the kitchen?  I'm not sure, but I would expect a) the offensive line to continue to improve, b) they are returning an experienced QB, c) there are lots of quality WRs around them, and d) the play calling and offensive philosophy should be more on one person which I think will simplify the system.  So, I'd expect another improvement.  Are they going to be in the top 5?...unlikely.  But, I'd expect them to be in the 15-20 range, which should be good enough to keep them in every game on the schedule.

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mmp15f's picture

d) the play calling and offensive philosophy should be more on one person which I think will simplify the system.  

How confident are you that this will be the case? It's just tough for me to see Harbaugh giving Gattis the proper amount of freedom & power.

I think a huge reason our offense became so great in 2018 was because Meyer backed away from the play-calling and gave Day and Wilson freedom, so I think the amount of freedom Gattis has is a big factor in how much your offense changes/improves

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MaineStrength's picture

I think a huge reason our offense became so great in 2018 was because Meyer backed away from the play-calling and gave Day and Wilson freedom, so I think the amount of freedom Gattis has is a big factor in how much your offense changes/improves

That's the plan.  JH has said multiple times the offense is Gattis and he's praised him so far in spring practice.

How confident are you that this will be the case?

Time will tell.  I was skeptical JH would get rid of Drevno and Pep, but he did.  So far he's showing a willingness to learn from his mistakes.

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mmp15f's picture

Good points.

I think converting to a spread is the best way to go for you guys. Based on watching OSU make the switch in 2012, I can promise you there will be some growing pains; Harbaugh will need to be patient. I wouldn't set your expectations too high for the offense this season--at least not for the first 4-5 games--but I think this will be beneficial in the long-run.

Gattis's system is better-suited for Patterson, IMO, and you guys definitely have some good receivers. If your O-line is able to adapt to both going up-tempo and to executing some new blocking schemes that will be introduced, your offense could be really productive. The lack of depth at RB could be a problem though

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

I am skeptical Michigan will do what OSU was doing with Haskins last year. You're not going to see Patterson throwing the ball 40-50 times in any game. I feel like they should do that as that's the obvious strength. But there's no way in hell Harbaugh abandons the run that much.

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mmp15f's picture

I wasn't implying that you guys should have the same philosophy as we had this year, I was just saying that our offense was more smooth than it's ever been because Meyer allowed Wilson and Day to operate without stepping on their toes too often.

You're not going to see Patterson throwing the ball 40-50 times in any game. I feel like they should do that as that's the obvious strength.

That's a bold statement. It's easy to think this is the way to go after watching Ohio State this season. You've gotta remember a couple things though:

1) Haskins had the quickest release of any QB in the country

2) Haskins is a better passer than Patterson, and his accuracy is honestly underestimated. People claim he only threw "short passes", yet they ignored the numerous passes he completed from one hashmark all the way to the opposite sideline. Even if some of those passes were only 10yds downfield, they were still long throws that most college QBs can't consistently complete the way he did

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MaineStrength's picture

Yeah, Haskins is a better thrower than Patterson, but he's also better pre-snap at reading defenses.  I think UM will use a lot more RPO than OSU did.  They aren't going to be as worried about keeping Patterson injury free this season.  Last year they were a little gun shy, but I think they are comfortable with Dylan McCaffrey as his backup and will let him run a bit more to keep defenses honest.  I also think this will be good for the o-line as pass protection, particularly from the tackles was a hurdle in longer developing passing plays.

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SC Wolverine's picture

He definitely won't abandon the run.  But, then, neither did Bama last year.  If we go from 60/40 run to 55/45 pass, it will make a big difference, especially if we typically throw on first down.  And adding tempo brings a big weapon, as Buckeye fans should well know.

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Buck68's picture

BGO:

our coaches and players have plenty to do developing themselves, our units, our schemes.

there are 11 opponents before bleu where we can observe their 'evolving', rather than hopscotch through their chatter.

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BuckeyeSouth's picture

So they're going to run the spread but with athletes they recruited for a pro style offense.  What could go wrong?

Champions.  Undisputed.  

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Browns88's picture

Just like Lloyd Carr to Rodriguez offense.  Pro to spread.  Good point.   I can see the talent similarities.  What to do with the fullback now.

Browns88

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spiBuckeye's picture

According to MGo blog, their fullback is going to linebacker or DE.

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BELLEFONTAINEBUCKEYE's picture

SpiBuckeye......Should be SpyBuckeyes. Amiright? Lol

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southernstatesbuckeye's picture

Ya know, I’m on here nearly every day, but rarely comment.  But as I rolled on the floor laughing, I figured you deserved my upvote!

well done!

I like cookies.

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MaineStrength's picture

I think they have a bunch of offensive players that would work well.  DPJ, Tarik Black, Nick Eubanks, Oliver Martin, Ronnie Bell, & Shea Patterson are suited quite well for a spread.  I would have put Chris Evans in there too, but he may or may actually be on the team next year.  But, Charbonet & Turner should be equally suited for either.  Nico Collins is the one bigger, taller, not as fast, type of outside WR that doesn't seem spready-y and OG Mike Onwenu may not either, but he's already getting pushed from behind.  The rest of the o-line should be just fine.

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

The kid from California(forgot his name) should bring more of the "speed in space" from the slot. Believe his name is Jackson don't feel like looking it up. Anyways, I feel like from top to bottom this is one of Michigan's most talented group of recievers ever. They've usually had 1 great reciever and then a bunch of role/possession type guys. Right now they have 3 legit guys that can make big plays.

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MaineStrength's picture

The kid from California(forgot his name) should bring more of the "speed in space" from the slot. Believe his name is Jackson don't feel like looking it up

Yes, both freshman Giles Jackson and Mike Sainristill are slot types that were in the 2019 recruiting class, so I think this has been the plan for a bit.

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NutBuckz's picture

Exactly this, If i could only give you more than 1 UV

It's 2019 and TTUN still sucks!!!

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SC Wolverine's picture

We have some players who don't fit a spread well, but our receivers are not among them.  Putting Peoples-Jones in the slot, with Black and Collins as WRs will work just fine in a spread attack.  Shea will function better in a spread, too.

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OSU56's picture

Looking good- ttun continued to have struggles keeping the pace in most of "the games" to this point-should be interesting to see if they last until the 2nd quarter now with the up tempo instead of the 3rd quarter when they usually are up to a half a dozen players out due to injury and the gas tank is on empty.

Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.

 

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tcm1968's picture

It's still Shae Patterson handing off to guys like Tru Wilson...... if they play uptempo they'll set a record for 3 and outs and have a defense out of gas by halftime..

Go Bucks!

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MaineStrength's picture

I think the plan is to get the ball into DPJ, Tarik Black, & Nico Collins' hands more.

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Triv's picture

That seems to be a pretty good plan, but if they haven't figured out how to do that in 3 years I'm not too worried they'll get it down in one offseason. I expect the Michigan offense to certainly look more like a 2019 offense, but I don't think it's smart to expect them to come out and be one of the better spread offenses in the nation. Gattis has never called plays, and Harbaugh is notorious for being a control freak. The first time they have back to back 3 and outs I'm half expecting Harbaugh to take play calling back and revert to his ol' reliable 21/22 packages 

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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MaineStrength's picture

if they haven't figured out how to do that in 3 years I'm not too worried they'll get it down in one offseason. 

This will be the first time the focus will be to get ball outside more in the WRs hands and let Patterson make more plays.  It was not a priority the past 3 years.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Heard this for years....Yawn

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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MaineStrength's picture

Heard this for years

Really?  You must not listen to UM press conferences much.  The last 2 years it was all about ball control, getting the running game going, and not turning the ball over.  It was literally the opposite approach.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

You tell me chief. Every year the BS coming out of AA is how the offense is going to be dynamic and fast. Then we see the 1980's man ball. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

Stanley is right, until we actually see the difference on the field, i'll remain skeptical.

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MaineStrength's picture

I thought they did a lot of dynamic things in 2015 and 2016 when they had the personnel to do so.  2017 was just blah because of the QB situation and last year I think they tried to focus on the run and minimize TOs.  I don't blame you for taking a wait and see approach, but I also think you're looking at it a bit all or nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6jDnrxMJV0

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Keyser Soze's picture

Why would we listen to xichigan pressers unless it’s after another big loss to watch jimmy squirm?

That's how winners play. We convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.

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tcm1968's picture

For sure.. but it's still Patterson at QB... there's 3 years of film on this dude now. People get too caught up in the stats.. He feasts against bad teams and then basically no shows against the better teams.

in 2017 he played against 3 real teams.. Auburn, LSU and Bama.... 2 TDS 5 INTs.. 58 for 93 passing..... that's just awful...

In 2018 you saw pretty much the same thing... feasted on Rutgers, SMU, WMU etc but then in the 3 biggest games vs the Buckeyes, Gators and ND 4TDs and 4 INTs.. Had 21 carries for 3 yards in those games as well..

He's just not a big game QB... I would have bet the farm no matter what the record was at Michigan that Harbaugh would have had legit QBs every year...  5 years in and he's still looking for one.. 

Want to spread the ball around and playing uptempo is fine.. but it still starts with your QB.. if he does the same things we've seen on tape for 3 years and does them at a faster tempo the defense up north is just going to be gassed by all the quick 3 and outs..

Go Bucks!

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

In fairness to Patterson, last season was his first full season as a starter. He only played like 10 games at Ole Miss and they were terrible. Patterson certainly has not matched the hype, but he can improve going into his 2nd full season as a starter. I still like Mccaffrey over him even at this point.

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saintstephen11's picture

From what little I saw, your 4th string QB is the best of the bunch (Joe Milton).

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

Patterson needs to work on his vision and standing in the pocket instead of always taking off. This is why I want to see Mccaffrey start but I highly doubt it will happen. He throws a nicer deep ball and is taller/stands in the pocket better IMO.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Michigan doesn’t have the speed on offense to play uptempo. 

And does anyone really think Harbaugh is giving up the play calling?

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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FitzBuck's picture

So they’re going to play fast and aggressive on both sides of the ball....With a D line that is 1 deep at best?  This should be interesting.  

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MaineStrength's picture

My hunch is they will be a little thin at DT since Solomon left.  Likely one of the freshman (Mazi Smith or Chris Hinton) will need to be in the 2-deep.  But, both are high recruits and have college size already.  DE they should be fine and may even play more as rumor has it Ojabo is ready to contribute as a freshman.

SDE: Paye, Hutchinson, Ojabo

DT: Dwumfor, Hinton, Pea

DT: Kemp, Jeter, Smith

WDE: Villain/Uche, Ojabo

I'd guess this is one of the better units in the conference.

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MaineStrength's picture

I forgot to add in there Mike Danna the transfer from CMU will probably be on the 2 deep at one of the DE spots.

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OSU56's picture

Lose faster.

and more convincingly- I like it.

Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.

 

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rkylet83's picture

This is a double edged sword.  It’s not all we go faster and open it up, we’ll score more and no side effects.  There will be more turnovers and you’ll be forcing players to adapt to a system they weren’t trained in the year previously and weren’t recruited to play in.  They don’t have the personnel in the backfield or the slot either.  

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Buck-n-A's picture

And can the defense hold up playing so many more minutes.

Bears...Buckeyes... Battlestar Galactica.

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MaineStrength's picture

They don’t have the personnel in the backfield or the slot either.

Patterson was made the spread.  He has a quick release and is accurate.  This is what he did in HS and at Ole Miss.  Evans, if still on the team is taylor made for a spread system as he's very agile and a good pass catcher.  DPJ has all the characteristics of a great slot WR, athletic, fast, great in the open field.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Is this what you tell yourself to make yourself believe your team is still elite?

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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MaineStrength's picture

Is this what you tell yourself to make yourself believe your team is still elite?

I'd be curious to know why you don't think DPJ, Patterson, or Evans have the skills needed for an effective spread.

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Hovenaut's picture

I'll look past the over-the-top homerism for Ohio State...DPJ could have a breakthrough season this fall. It'll be a mistake for any Buckeye fan to dismiss him.

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Independence Village 22's picture

Going from a sluggish power-I that huddles every snap to a full uptempo spread team isnt going to happen year 1. If anything you will have to regress before you see major progress. And recruit to the scheme. They were able to over power and out man the bottom feeders while keeping the starting 11 on D rested and healthy. This could backfire without a lot of depth. They may give the Indiana's and Maryland's of the world a chance to steal one here or there.

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MaineStrength's picture

Going from a sluggish power-I that huddles every snap to a full uptempo spread team isnt going to happen year 1

Although they huddled, they ran a lot of spread concepts last year and I never saw a power I.

If anything you will have to regress before you see major progress.

It's possible as it depends on how quickly the guys can assimilate to Gattis.  But, it's a veteran offense full of Jrs & Srs.

And recruit to the scheme

If you look at the 2019 class you will see that already happening.  They have a few shorter, quicker WRs such as Mike Sainrastil & Giles Jackson and an athletic, thinner TE in Erick All.

This could backfire without a lot of depth. 

There is quite a bit depth on offense.  The least depth is at RB, but I'm sure they'll be fine with Turner, Charbonnet, & Wilson (and Evans if he's back).  Hassan Haskins is also getting a lot of praise.  The QB, WRs, TEs, and o-line is all veteran and there is lots of depth behind them.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Great. So they only lose 3 games not 4. Congratulations. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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MaineStrength's picture

The hate is strong in this one.

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OSU56's picture

This really isn't hard for anyone to understand- we hear the same "wait until next year" and were changing this team hype stuff year in and year out.....ttun will be ttun and the beating they will take again with hairball in command will be once again-glorious.

Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.

 

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shawn kemps kids's picture

Considering your upvote:downvote ratio isn't even at 1:2, you must know a lot about hate. 

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Bucky Buck's picture

At first glance I though TTUN was picking up Orlando Pace as their new O Line coach. This change of tempo I can live with. 

Born a Badger, Raised a Buckeye

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

Gattis looks like a good hire on paper, and Harbaugh is saying all the right things.......but now they have to show it on the field against OSU and their bowl opponent. They have a good QB and above average WR's----I'm still a little skeptical about their OL being able to perform against great DL's.

But that's why we play The Game!

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ToTheHouse's picture

Sounds like what's her name...ms. creepette hairball has found another: Europee'n sleepover smoke-n-mirror mirage to keep all ttun's skunk weasels baffled with more bull$_ _ _.

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BuckDigger's picture

So does this mean Gattis wins the March Heisman this year? Been wondering who gets it.

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KBonay's picture

Handing over the keys is fine, but regardless, it’s still a fucking Pinto. 

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GunnerBuck's picture

Gattis has the potential to be a good hire. however his only real job offer was from Maryland when he left Bama. He was essentially 3rd in line when it came to the offense (not including Saban) so they essentially hired a first time OC who is their new savior... Not sure if I am quiet sold or not. 

If he's as good as they think he is, they'll be good. Their OL will still be garbage though and that will limit their offensive game anyways. 

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gobucks96's picture

Their punter is going to be an All-American this year!

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allinosu's picture

Much more pressure on their defense. Those stats will decline when they are back on the field in 3 mins.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I'm sorry but without a stud RB and a good OL that's conditioned and able to keep up, you can't just "install" a spread offense (or a no-huddle offense if that's your pleasure). Better hope those  boys up front are in shape and ready.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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MaineStrength's picture

without a stud RB and a good OL

Have you seen any of Zach Charbonnet's film?  UM returns 3 all conference o-lineman on the interior and returns their left tackle.  I'm guessing the RT will be an upgrade next year.  The offensive line will be fine.  

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Question...why are you here? I mean every post from you is some sort of PR speak trying to convince us Michigan will be good. Take it to M Go Blog. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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MaineStrength's picture

I'm sorry that you take every discussion about UM as a personal threat to you and/or OSU.  My intention is to have a discussion.  There are folks that enjoy hearing the perspective of rival fans...as do I.  Most of us have more in common than not.  We're not enemies incapable of having a discussion just because we root for different teams.  When you think about it, we'd probably be fans of different teams if we happened to be born in or lived in a different state.  When you think about this way you realize that our allegiances to our favorite teams are kinda arbitrary.  It's just sports man.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I'm going to tell you right now, Ohio State is going to beat the ever loving shit out of Michigan. Period.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Yep. Only the names will change

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Also Charbonnet is a fine recruit, but he's an incoming freshman... You expect him to come in and be the bellcow for this squad? That's pinning some high hopes on a young kid, may want to slow your role there. Being the man in the backfield for Oaks Christian is much different when you're the RB for Michigan and Chase Young, Robert Landers, Jonathan Cooper, and Haskell Garrett are staring down the barrel ready to rip you up.

The offensive line is going to be a shit-show as it's been, the Buckeye defensive line is going to rip through the starting five, assuming they are all still upright by the time the Game happens. Anytime you take 5 big dudes that are used to huddling between plays and not having to go play to play to play without a break there are bound to be some growing pains in the manner of tweaked hammies and back strains.

Get ready, if Michigan's recourse is to switch to a no-huddle, congrats to them for modernizing their approach, but it will take a decent piece of time for them to get back on the level they need to be to compete.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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abpsq3051's picture

Charbonnet is also hurt right now. Their O-Line is far from settled and they have as many as 3 positions (RT, LT, RG) up for grabs. The O-Line is what is preventing them from opening up their offense and throw the ball more because they can't protect the QB against elite D's. 

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MaineStrength's picture

Charbonnet is also hurt right now.

He had a planned procedure that was considered minor and is expected to be 100% for fall camp.

The O-Line is what is preventing them from opening up their offense and throw the ball more because they can't protect the QB against elite D's. 

I'd agree against the better defensive lines they played last year (particularly on the ends).  However, I disagree that the spread will make it harder on the o-line as you seem to be suggesting.  Getting the ball out quickly is the essence of the spread which should help out poor pass blocking.

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MaineStrength's picture

You expect him to come in and be the bellcow for this squad? That's pinning some high hopes on a young kid, may want to slow your role there.

I get that, and that's a good point.  I would typically agree.  Charbonnet is the first back I've said that about in quite some time.  I don't expect him to be the bellcow per se.  But, I do think he'll be UM's most dynamic RB and he has the size to be an every down around back.  I'd guess he gets similar snaps to what Dobbins got his freshman year.

The offensive line is going to be a shit-show as it's been

I wouldn't call them a shit show.  Last year they were around #50 in most o-line S&P categories.  That was fairly similar to most of OSU's o-line S&P o-line rankings.  I'd expect them to be in the 30's with 4 starters returning.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

The Blueprint to beat Michigan is real, and the Buckeyes have it. The Wolverines just won't have enough dynamic playmakers in enough positions when that time of year comes.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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MaineStrength's picture

The Wolverines just won't have enough dynamic playmakers in enough positions when that time of year comes.

I don't think the thread had anything to do with who will win that game.  We're just talking about how UM will utilize the spread and up tempo offense.

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SC Wolverine's picture

No, I don't think we will lean on Charbonnet this year, although he may emerge during the season.  I think Christian Turner will be pretty good.  But in 19 it is all going to lean on our passing game.  Good thing, too.  Obviously, we have questions going into next year.  It's just nice not to be having the same old answers.

SC Wolverine

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tcm1968's picture

People said the same thing about Kareem Walker. You're not a stud RB till you actually play games and prove you can do it against the best competition. Until then it's dudes like Tru Wilson who won't scare anyone.. Stack the box and make happy feet Patterson panic.. 

Go Bucks!

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MaineStrength's picture

And, how do you feel about Fields?  Does he get a free pass or does he have to prove it first?

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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Belliott's picture

You literally think every position is better this year than last. That’s not discussion, that’s delusion. 

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MaineStrength's picture

I think you meant to reply to me, so I'll respond.  I think UM has a lot of production to replace on defense from Gary, Winovich, Bush, & Long, so I'd expect a step back on defense.  I think they'll be better with Kinnel's replacement.  They do have good, young recruits to replace these guys, but there are two top 10 draft picks to replace, so they won't get that level of production out of their replacements.  I'd guess all those positions take a step back.  Everyone else on defense is back so I'd expect some improvement from the other defensive positions.  On offense they lose production at RB from Higdon and they lost their RT in Bushel-Beatty.  The RT was not very good so I'd expect an upgrade there.  The RB will probably take a slight step back, but Charbonnet coming in is the best RB recruit I've seen at UM in a while.  The rest of the offense is back and there are a lot of guys either entering their second year of starting experience and/or going into their junior years.  So, I'd expect all of them to improve (Patterson, DPJ, Collins, Black, Ruiz, Onwenu, Runyan).  I'd expect improvement on offense at almost every position.  Overall I'd expect a 1-3 loss regular season, which should be a little better than last year.  The tough games are OSU, @PSU, & ND.  But, they are currently favored in every game.  So, generally I think they will be a better team than last year.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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Belliott's picture

It was. That’s why it’s threaded that way. 

You can’t just assume because someone is bad the next guy will be better. And losing 4 1st/2nd rd prospects doesn’t usually lend itself to reloading unless you have that talent behind them. UM hasn’t recruited quite to that level especially because the ‘18 class should be the big impact contributors this season. The DL was lackluster if not overhyped last year and it lost the best 2 players. They lost the captain in the middle. Oh and the DC can’t scheme to stop a crossing route  

I have numerous concerns about Ohio state this year but you seem to think a team that hasn’t won the BIG in almost a decade is going to the NC because they’re going tempo  

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MaineStrength's picture

It was. That’s why it’s threaded that way. 

Sorry pal, it wasn't indented so it didn't look like it.  But, thanks for the reply.  I'm interested in a good discussion.  I'm not just a homer and do see plenty of weaknesses on UM's team.

And losing 4 1st/2nd rd prospects doesn’t usually lend itself to reloading unless you have that talent behind them

I believe only Gary & Bush are day one projections, so that's only two.  Long, Winovich and anyone else that's gets drafted won't be in the first two rounds.  And, I said I expected them to take a step back at the positions where they lose Gary, Winovich, Bush, & Long.  But, they do have higher level recruits behind them for everyone but Gary.  You cant put a higher level recruit than a consensus #1, but they have 2 top 150 DEs already on the roster and a 5-star coming in.

UM hasn’t recruited quite to that level especially because the ‘18 class should be the big impact contributors this season.

You can't do better than a consensus #1 (Gary), but Hutchinson is a top 150 guy and on the other end Vilain is a top 100 guy.  They also have Kwity Paye, the transfer Mike Danna and 5-star Chris Hinton coming in this class at DE.  At LB they have Josh Ross and Jordan competing to replace Bush both who are 4-star and higher ranked than Bush and at CB they have Ambry Thomas who is a top 100 guy to replace Long.  Again, I expect a bit of a dropoff, but they are replacing them with 4 and 5 star guys.  Last year UM was #8 overall according to 247 in total team talent.  They haven't come out with the numbers for 2019, but I'd expect them to move up a bit and put them in the top 6ish.

I have numerous concerns about Ohio state this year but you seem to think a team that hasn’t won the BIG in almost a decade is going to the NC because they’re going tempo

I have a lot of concerns about UM when it comes to stacking them up against other elite teams like OSU, Clemson, or Bama.  But, not so much against most of the B1G.  JH is really good at beating teams less talented than him . ND and @PSU will be difficult games.  MSU always plays them tough.  But, it's hard to imagine more than 2-3 losses.  I think the hope is that going up tempo will help with the better teams on teh schedule.  I am still cautiously optimistic.  I'm just expecting small gradual improvement.  I think they've a shot to win the B1G, but OSU still has more talent on paper IMO and are the favorite.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

So they'll got 3 and out faster? 

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Nothing says playing faster with 2 TE's and a fullback....

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Jimmy is getting desperate up there.

Watching them try to move away from their Ball Control Offense is going to be really fun, the downside is their Defensive Ranking won't be so inflated when we torch them in November anymore.

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CreekBuck's picture

Good more plays to be made for the tOSU offense after the quick 3 and out by scUM.

You win with people.

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abpsq3051's picture

Gattis has never done anything as an OC. That is just a fact. He is a career position coach who has never made a play call in his life. 

Does that mean this is a bad hire? No, it doesn't, time will tell. But the fact that this is being widely regarded as a "home run hire" is absurd. And Michigan fans saying he needs total control of the offense is also comical.

What is Gattis' offense? How do you know what his offense will look like? He has literally never run an offense. Is this offense going to look like Moorhead's? Locksley's? Michigan fans don't even know what his offense is yet they are demanding that he takes total control of the offense.

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MaineStrength's picture

Gattis has never done anything as an OC. That is just a fact. He is a career position coach who has never made a play call in his life. Does that mean this is a bad hire? No, it doesn't, time will tell. But the fact that this is being widely regarded as a "home run hire" is absurd. 

This is a fair assessment.  However, OSU fans should also be able to recognize the same holds true for Day as a HC.  Both coaches have proven successful with less responsibility, but both lack experience in their current role.  While both programs are optimistic, there also is much to be seen before we get a verdict on either's ability at the new roles.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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OSU56's picture

Desperate Jimmy and desperate fans-

Fact is, with those that have left and those coming up to fill in for those that did- there is a down grade on both sides of the ball. Hype and hope(year in and year out that has proven unable to compete with top level teams) won't replace that, and with Gattis having -zero- experience play calling, the offense will be "lacking". This is all good news.

Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.

 

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GunnerBuck's picture

Been doing a bit of "light reading" and I've seen multiple UM fans talk about relying on Dax Hill on starting and "being a difference" on their defense and it got me wondering, who was the last true freshman we counted on before even seeing him play in the spring game of his freshman year? 

As far as Gattis goes, I've seen quotes of him saying he won't do "dink and dunks or jet sweeps" frequently, he plans to take the top off defenses and run a "pro spread" with a "disciplined power run game". I can't help but wonder, 1. Who will the QB be that can take the top off decent defenses? Because it sure as hell won't be Patterson. 2. who is going to be the work horse? Chris Evans? The RB that's not on the ream right now? or the true freshman from California? Seems like he's promising the world already. 

"Come on, you sons of b!tches! Do you want to live forever?" -- Dan Daly, WWI

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OSU56's picture

This is Hilarious...…

Michigan’s spring football game on Saturday included some advice from the sky.

Someone — apparently a Michigan fan — decided it was a good idea to pay for an airplane to fly a banner over Michigan Stadium as the Wolverines played. It called out Michigan’s offensive play calling with a message that read “Hey Jim, this is God. It’s OK to pass on first down. Let’s try it.”

Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.

 

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blu.fan's picture

Hilarious and true. As long as the offense is totally predictable, it isn't going to do anything. More than that, until Michigan has the horses on both offense and defense to run with OSU, schemes and game plans don't really matter.

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huffdaddy's picture

Think you guys have the line, QB and WRs to make some plays happen (and Warriner is a great O-Line coach; pro tip, though - don't let him call plays). The biggest talent disadvantage on offense is just depth - your first string guys are strong. 

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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