Nine Strong: Grading Ohio State's Nine Units With Spring Practices Underway

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BucksHave7's picture

This season cant get here soon enough. 

Were running the table!!!!

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

The OL remains the area of concern for me. Just have to find the right combo of five dudes and hope they gel quickly 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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hetuck's picture

And stay healthy.

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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Hovenaut's picture

Agree...establish the five, find that chemistry, and healthy. 

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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Canukbuck's picture

Hmmm, might want to check that "B" grade for the O-Line to start the season.  Yes, the graduate transfer will certainly be a big help, but a couple of the penciled-in starters are either coming in after healing from injuries, or are still on the limp and I'm not convinced that our line will be at anywhere near the same level as last year's version finished the season.

Last year, the line rated a "C-" during most of the season, pulling up to a "B+" for the final 2 games.  But, 4 starters are gone and I'm not sure this unit will be as good - certainly starting out of the gate.  I'd be looking more of "C-" to start the season, with the hope that they gel much quicker than the line we had last season, otherwise our depth at QB is really going to be tested ......

The potential is there, it just boils down to coaching ....

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Big Horn Buckeye's picture

Agreed! An online that struggled for most of the year to open up holes for two proven and very capable backs, and these guys didn’t beat them out of their jobs. Ceilings are higher with this bunch? Why?

Tough to give anything higher than average at this point. C at best.

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BuzzardBlaster's picture

I agree with C at best. Lack of depth and overall experience is a major concern. A key injury to one of the starters and things could get dicey real quick.

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MercyTex's picture

Part of the OL effectiveness was diminished by calling RPO plays with a QB who would not run for most of last year, and a solid guard being uncomfortable playing center.  If healthy, this line should be better in both run and pass blocking than last year.  Agree that if we lose a starter it could unravel rapidly.

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Big Horn Buckeye's picture

That has nothing to do with knocking the other team off the ball on predetermined run plays. We didn’t do that.

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stpetebuck's picture

A big plus this year will be 4-5* guys playing in position. Last year not so much. (Although pass blocking in 2018 aided the best single season ever at tOSU, Haskins wasn’t running for his life)

I believe the 2019 oline room will be the highest composite ranking since UFM/ Day.  So there’s that.  

But development seems slow under Coach Stud. Hopefully this will be a strength this year. 

Go Bucks 

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Sanitarian2's picture

Curious, who rated the O-Line a C for most of the year? They were an A in pass blocking as noted by the time Haskins had to throw though the running game was clearly not on the same level.  Just wondering what curve they are being graded on and by whom. Had Jordan stayed for his senior year and moved back to guard I would have been much more comfortable. 

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Big Horn Buckeye's picture

How about having 2 backs that had gone over 1,000 yards and not be able to run the ball? 

The Rsoe Bowl has a different ending if the OLine could move guys to run the ball after the 28-7 lead. So, how good can a line truly be if a team is one dimensional because of it.

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CowCat's picture

The running game issues were not all because of the OL. It was also the scheme.

Urban's offense used dual-threat quarterbacks to even out the offense vs. defense numbers. With Haskins not running very much, opposing defenses had a numerical advantage in the box. 6 blocking 7. The read option removes that advantage.

Also, many teams were cheating a safety up, leaving 1 deep. In Urban's playbook you pass in those situations (at least the Utah edition).

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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Big Horn Buckeye's picture

The running game numbers to consider is nit 6 on 7....

It would’ve 3 on 3 or 3 on 4, as you split the field in half. The farther a defender is from the ball horizontally, they eliminate themselves to running plays to the other side. 

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Noahkat's picture

Ur analysis makes sense, but also note that Fields can move better than Haskins and is more likely to run, which should keep d-backs guessing and take some pressure off the line. Even though the line may techincally be graded less they could very well look better than they are based on this years scheme

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Andrew Ellis's picture

I thought about going B- but didn't really consider going lower than that. I also think C- last year is a bit harsh. I thought the pass protection was pretty solid most of the time while the run blocking definitely had its struggles. I know four starters are gone and losing Jordan is especially big. Was never that high on Knox or Pridgeon though and I'm of the belief that the line will be better with Davis and Jackson manning the guard spots (or Myers if Jackson is at center). Prince had his moments but I think most would agree his career didn't take off like we expected it would.

If someone were to say C or C- to start the season then I wouldn't fight them over it considering the line definitely does need to gel (as you said) and that usually takes some time; especially when one of the likely surefire starters won't even be here until the summer.

Also agree on the coaching. Don't fully trust Stud yet by any means.

ibuck's picture

The potential is there, it just boils down to coaching ....

 . . . AND the players learning . . . technique and toughness.

(Go Slobs!)

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VaBuck1's picture

Reading between the lines, sounds like someone is expecting TE Jake Haussmann to transfer.  Interesting.

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Noticed that too.  

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Yeah, that wasn’t too ominous.

We're expecting the tight end room to take a bit of a hit before the season kicks off

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Major H's picture

To put it in the words of our fine feathered friend Foghorn Leghorn, that was as subtle as, "a hand grenade in a bowl of oatmeal!"

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SaltyD0gg's picture

If Ruckert can’t be an impact TE here then I’m not sure we’ll ever see one.

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Pain of Regret

Take Your Pick

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Buckeyefan20's picture

OL, LB, and especially QB. If those positions/groups play well, this will be a special season.

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Buckfrombirth's picture

I noticed the line about "expecting the TE room to take a bit of a hit before the season but Cormontae Hamilton will bring some depth". I probably missed it before, but is this in reference to a likely transfer of one of the current TEs or are you betting on injury?

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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Andrew Ellis's picture

I think a transfer is coming. 

BGSUBucksFan's picture

Beaten out by Farrell and now likely Ruckert as well. Guess I can't blame the guy.

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Buckfrombirth's picture

Thanks, Andrew. I suspected as much, but I appreciate your clarification.

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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Buck68's picture

Andrew, disagree with your use of the word "reshuffled".

Shuffle means to re-order the same cards.  Cards, meaning people or things [factors].

Day 'let go' 4 defensive coaches, and hired 4 new ones.

A world of differences.

Yet, agree that comparing and contrasting between what the 'old ones' said and did, and what the 'new ones' say and do... is the essence of reasoning to understand and learn.

Buck68

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iowabuckeyes's picture

I have no earthly idea what you just said. Sometimes, your posts make my head hurt.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Buck68's picture

Thanks for your post, Iowa!  It's a very useful illustration of how we can 'not understand' the meaning of simple vocabulary words in a context as simple as a few sentences

Consider:  "re" means 'over again', and infers the same object[s] are acted on again.

Day didn't do that.  He let go the old cards [4 defensive coaches]... and hired new ones.

When you shuffle new for the first time... it's named shuffling... not RE-shuffling.

In team, group, educational context... when you 'start new' with a new group... the old group is... gone.  Isn't this very significant in terms of how the leaders... lead this new group?

Buck68

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Moo Strength's picture

Hey, at least Andrew didn’t use the word pre-heat or pre-boarding process. LOL!

If I must choose between peace and righteousness, I choose righteousness! -Theodore Roosevelt.

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Buck68's picture

now THAT'S funny!   ;-{)}  Especially be cause it's one of those 'everybody's done it'....

Buck68

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MercyTex's picture

In other words, staying with the card game analogy, Day did not shuffle the deck.  He chose to draw 4 in a hand of 5 card stud.

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Bucks19's picture

Iowa - agree. 68 posts gives me a brain cramp. 

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Andrew Ellis's picture

You’re right. Could have worded that better. Michigan State reshuffled their offensive staff by moving guys from OL to RB or whatever. Ohio State basically went through a total defensive overhaul. 

Buck68's picture

Andrew - it took me a whole day of mental nagging to start to realize this comparison led toward something of basic significance.

E.G. how many 'leaders' have walked into the 'next shuffle' with solutions from the last... reshuffle?

Almost like the ref who sees and calls the second personal foul, not the first.

And the leader who 'makes a first impression'... by treating the newest people... for the mistakes of the last dealt hand....

These are the very kinds of the massive simple mistakes we make that we already 'know better' - when we act on our "preferences" rather than start at each beginning [problem, cycle, situation].

Arguably, Urban Meyer went with his preferences after The Shining Crowning in 2014... 3 times in a row... of preferences and 'narratives'....   Enuf, evidently, to drive among the greatest of us... nuts.

It's not that we err in a word choice - for every word we use, we use imperfectly, and reveal things we ourselves at best see only through our fog in front of our mirror...dimly.

It's searching for the known and unknown meanings in what comes out of our mouths [even what goes on in our thoughts]... that yield significance... and the challenge of 'walking' that talk of character & principle, rather than leading 'my' parade....

So Andrew... i hope i have shown you a little bit, why i think your post, and this exchange... is ..can continue to give... to all of us.

Buck68

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Buctor's picture

B 68, I usually have to read each word of your posts and usually more slowly than the usual malarkey posted here.  Sometimes I even have to reread it (sorry, couldn't help myself).  But rather than hurting my head, it generally brings a smile to my face.  And importantly I mostly agree with your well thought out assessments.  

Equally important, you rarely, maybe never, make negative comments about others.  I like that!  If I disagree with some post, its easiest to move to the next one.  Why wate my time denigrating another human, and likely a Buckeye fan. On the occasion it's a troll, I don't give the satisfaction of a reaction, rather allow them to dangle, it's better that way!

Happy St Patty's Day to each and everyone!!!

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Buck68's picture

hey Buctor... I often do what you do too!  Just about every time i start writing a post, i wind up going over it several times and revising again...and again.   When i am unwilling to 'recover'...  i wind up deleting it....usually.

The really funny part comes the first time i re-read it AFTER i post...and rewrite it again, or ...i'm too late and have to stifle my reaction...

Call me... the Dangling Modifier....?  Trying not to become... "The Dangling Conversation"... of the "borders of our lives" [Simon & Garfunkel]   ;-{)}

Buck68

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WPB-Buckeye's picture

Is this after the curve?  LB seems a bit high if Tuf is still starting and the guys behind him haven’t passed him up.

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Buckeye_bob's picture

Please stop, your not a talent evaluator. Tuf was an All American in waiting before his injury, anyone remember the Army or Navy game we struggled to stop the Triple Option Tuf played a little over half the game and had 16 tackles? Remarks like this are stupid and counter productive. Shows lack of knowledge.

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Buck68's picture

bob, bob...   ;-{)}

who is NOT "a talent evaluator"?

...by whatever name we choose to call it... or deny it?  ;-{)}

And thanks for your illustration of 'talent evaluation' in the rest of your post...  ;-{)}

Buck68

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iowabuckeyes's picture

So Tuf performs admirably against an offense built in the 1930s that only four teams ran in 2017 (the year we played Army; Tuf has never played against Navy) but struggled mightily against everyone else and he’s an All American? Man, you’re just killing it today, Bob. I’m actually a Tuf fan and don’t believe he was 100% healthy last year but, come on, man, get real. He’s not cut out to be a LB in the defense Michigan ran last year, which is what Mattison and Washington are bringing to Columbus. I’d argue Pete Werner’s actually better suited to play MLB simply because he’s faster.

I love how you ridicule people as not coaches or recruiting evaluators—as if any of us know who any of us are in our lives outside this site—but somehow seem to think you’re better qualified than the rest of us, which means you expect us to believe whatever you say is right.

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allinosu's picture

You just went against everything Bobby Carpenter said in his evaluation on letterman row(film breakdown). He said scheme was the main problem in why there were so many gaps in our defense because LBs were taught to shoot gaps left by pulling lineman(leaving big holes) and this year we will have the UM approach where they meet the lineman(filling gaps) and peel off which Tuf is more suited for and expects he will start and thrive. He said they played slow because they had to much to evaluate which made them look slower than they are. So not all feel the way you do and some like Bobby played the position(and can evaluate) and studied the film. This going to be another one of those know it all perspectives like the WR being so bad like and suddenly are much better because of other factors dragging them down.

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McGrind's picture

A leather helmet offense stocked with two stars where football is not  their career objective. Please....

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brothadudeguy's picture

Just because he was good before the injury doesn't mean that the criticism isn't justified. Based on how he played last year he was way too slow to be an OSU linebacker. I understand it could be the injury but if it's still a problem then he needs to take a seat. 

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Big Horn Buckeye's picture

Tuf was okay pre-injury and was not okay post-injury.

LB’s are rated to be far better than average and almost outstanding based on what?

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mmp15f's picture

An All-American in waiting? That's absolutely ridiculous. Raekwon McMillan never even made an All-American team, and he was 10x the player Borland is. 

Having a bunch of tackles as a middle linebacker against Army is not that impressive. Teams like Army have some players on their roster who probably wouldn't be on any other D1 roster, first of all. Secondly, they run a triple-option offense so of course any middle linebacker is going to have a bunch of tackles.

That doesn't mean Borland could even hold his own against teams like Clemson, Bama, and Oklahoma--teams with elite talent running a spread offense

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Ryan.Honeycutt's picture

Is it just me, or does anyone else want coach day to announce the starting QB before summer and fall ball? Competition is good, it brings out the best, steel sharpens steel, yup, check, got it, but I would think that summer and fall camp would be used to get that first unit running on all cylinders... I might be alone in this thinking, but I would want fields (yes it is going to be fields starting) taking as many first team reps as possible leading up to AUG 31st to get comfortable with his supporting cast... get into a rythem with his WRs, his RBs, his C snapping him the ball... it does us no good if fields and Baldwin are still rotating at that point because it’s just taking away from developing that first teams unity and chemistry... I don’t know maybe there is people out there that want this “competition” to go till AUG 30th... maybe there are people out there that want to rotate the QBs in game a la JT and Cardale circa 2015... I personally am not one of those people I want to know APR 14th so the O can move forward and become the potent offense that we all know they can be

bleed scarlet and grey

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Buckeye_bob's picture

Not going to happen for several reasons!! No real reason to do that, keep the young colts hungry.

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Ryan.Honeycutt's picture

BOB,

not trying to argue with you, just want to understand your point of view... I get the fact that competition brings out the best and keeps these kids hungry as you put it, but why wouldn’t they want to announce a starter after spring ball... I feel like the offense would benefit more from having a set starting 11 going into the summer so the kids can start getting to know each other... case in point, last year we saw a lot of false starts when Tate came in and it was said a lot of it had to do with the difference in cadences between him and Dwayne... plus wouldn’t you want Fields taking as many first team reps as possible to get ready for the season? Just wondering what you think the positives are for keeping the competition open till fall

RyanPH

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buckeye1964's picture

it sounds like you've already made up your mind that fields should be the starter regardless of performance on the field. what little i've heard coming out of camp is that baldwin is throwing the ball  really good - ryan, i want the guy who does the best in spring to be named the starter - is that what you want? or do you just want fields regardless of how he plays in the spring. remember, he couldn't beat out Fromm at georgia. i think baldwin should get as much a chance to show what he can do as fields. even competition and let the best guy start.

danny

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Ryan.Honeycutt's picture

Yes I want the QB who gives us the best chance of winning whether it’s baldwin or Fields (I say fields because it seems like that is the general consensus)...Ok say Baldwin is better and proves it in the spring... wouldn’t you want HIM taking all the summer and fall snaps so he gets the chance to gel with the 1s... that’s all I’m saying... and I wouldnt invest too much into fields not being able to be out Fromm, maybe he wasn’t given a chance to win the job because of Smart’s loyalty to Fromm... kind of sounds familiar though doesn’t it... I’m sure you, like me, probably like the rest of buckeye nation was screaming at the TV during that Oklahoma game at the shoe for coach Meyer to put Haskins in where JT couldn’t do anything, but urban showed his loyalty to JT and left him in as the starter 

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brothadudeguy's picture

Please stop using the "Fields couldn't beat out Fromm" excuse. Haskins couldn't beat out Barrett in 2017. Means absolutely nothing. We all know what really should have happened there. Also, keep in mind that Fromm was also a highly rated 5 star and had a great freshman season. 

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

I think it is important to have a starter named before Fall Camp starts but, before then, I don't see it mattering that much. There are no organized practices between Spring and Fall (except meetings with the coaches in the film room or very short periods each week) so naming a starter immediately after the Spring game may not matter much.

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Big Horn Buckeye's picture

Bottom line, the starter will should show himself to the team, with leadership and performance. If none emerges, that is a problem.

Always and forever, Go Bucks!

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Buck68's picture

Ryan,

heartily agree:  our "wants" are legion and as one poster put it incisively, "incessant"....

Each of us... in every post.  ;-{)}

Buck68

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BuckeyeDevil's picture

Add them all up and divide by 9 using the standard grading point scale (4.0 A, 2.7 for a B-, 3.3 for a B+, etc.) and the average is 3.433. That is slightly better than a B+ average at this point. I don't think these ratings are too unreasonable. Maybe they are a little generous in spots, i.e. O-line.

If that is the case, there is a long way to go before this squad is at a championship level, B1G or otherwise.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

I’d say this rating is more like a quiz than a test (spring game), much less the final exam (FAU) and obviously it’s subjective. New staff, especially on defense, and especially the back seven means coaches and players are still getting to know one another so the likelihood anyone’s performing at his peak level isn’t great. Al Washington, for example, has a lot of bodies he needs to sift through while also trying to understand and fit his unit’s role into Mattison’s and Hafley’s overall scheme. That said, a chain is only as strong as its weakest link and OL, LB and DB are three obvious areas of concern that need to be addressed.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Steelydan54's picture

Well said IA, but I sure hope FAU is not the Final Exam. Maybe the First Test???   TTUN is ALWAYS the Final Exam. Everything after that is Grad School?

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Buctor's picture

Well said S54, but I'd call FAU only a quiz.  With their coach, maybe a pop version!

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iowabuckeyes's picture

FAU is like the first exam in finals week. Some classes are easier than others, which makes their finals less grueling: OOC = electives. Point is, spring practice is not when final grades are given, which why I called it the first test; in the overall scheme of things, spring practice doesn’t even qualify as the midterm. That’s after the sixth game.

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BucksHave7's picture

This Buckeye team beats last years Buckeye team. Fields provides diversity in an offensive attack that last year's defense would have had trouble stopping.  This years defense would have stopped last year's pass only Buckeye offensive attack.

And last years Buckeye team was #3 in the country. 

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buckeye1964's picture

it's shocking how you discount last years performance by haskins - the best single season from a BIG qb - ever.

danny

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BucksHave7's picture

In know way do I discount Haskins performance.  Truly amazing, I agree.  

Fields brings diversity to an offense, plus helps bigtime in redzone.  So lets say this years team scores 7 pts less per game.  I strongly believe this years defense and defensivev staff is that much better over last years, that it gives us at least 10 pts less per game given up. 

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Moo Strength's picture

This years defense isn’t handicapped by the worst LB coach we’ve had in a long time, frustratingly overrated secondary coach, and a DC that seemingly was unable to change course when his ship is already half way aground. 

If I must choose between peace and righteousness, I choose righteousness! -Theodore Roosevelt.

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mmp15f's picture

I'm not sure why anyone would downvote this comment

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Buckeye_bob's picture

"Justin Fields' talent and potential are both through the roof as the former No. 2 overall prospect is the top-rated player ever to make his way to Columbus."

this qoute is either inaccurate or not very well stated? Art Schlister was the No1 Quarterback in the country in 1978? Also Andy Katzenmoyer was by far the No1 player in the nation in the 1995 recruiting class? Who writes this crap?

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Everyone knows it’s based on 247’s composite, which only goes as far back as 1999. (Well, apparently not everyone.) Prior to the advent of the big four sites (247, Rivals, Scout and ESPN), no one was tracking recruiting the way they are now. 

Additionally, Fields was originally a UGA commit. Claiming him for Ohio State is a bit like a divorced mother insisting she deserves to wear white on her wedding day. On Ohio State’s list, its Top 4 all-time commits are Terrelle Pryor, Ted Ginn, Jack Sawyer, and Paris Johnson, the last two who have yet to complete their high school careers much less play a single game for Ohio State.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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iowabuckeyes's picture

P.S. Internet or not, I’d rank Pryor as a recruit over Schlichter. TP was the #1 QB and #2 overall player in the 2008 class. And the Big Kat was a great high school player but saying he was “by far” the best player in the country is hyperbole that you’ll need to back up with something more than your opinion.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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BucksHave7's picture

HS coaches say that Fields is the real deal. Many claim Fields is better than Trevor Lawrence and Lawrence only got a rating near fields because Lawrence had better talent around him on his HS team, whereas Fields talent around him wasnt close. 

Correct, Fields rating is higher than the prior highest rated Buckeye recruit in TP.   If you doubt it, just watch Fields' footage.  He is Terrelle Pryor running and size with a stronger arm. 

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buckeye1964's picture

if this is true, why isn't fields starting for georgia?

danny

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Moo Strength's picture

Because the existing incumbent QB there didn’t screw up enough, and Sweeney isn’t quite the trigger pulled that Sabin is....

If I must choose between peace and righteousness, I choose righteousness! -Theodore Roosevelt.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Sweeney? Do you mean Smart at Georgia? Swinney is Clemson's head coach. Either way, Smart at Georgia plays an offense that requires a "game manager" which Fromm played well (but obviously not quite good enough to beat elite teams). 

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Moo Strength's picture

That’s what I get for typing in church LOL. You’re right, I’m trying to listen to the sermon and respond to posts on 11 Warriors. My wife just told me she’s moving a chair over so the lightning strike doesn’t hit her too.

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Buctor's picture

Your wife saw you!  Lightning has already struck!  

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

This is basically the same argument as why wasn't Haskins starting for JT in 2017: the coach didn't want him to start. In both cases, Meyer and Smart were comfortable with the product they had on the field, and maybe a little unsure of starting the understudy. It's a fair point, but Haskins' year certainly invites some second-guessing with Meyer's decision. Let's see how it plays out for Fromm and Fields. 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

if this is true, why isn't fields starting for georgia?

If you’re going open that can of worms, why didn’t Haskins start over Barrett? Fromm had just led UGA to the NCG as a true freshman. Smart sold Fields, then didn’t use him. For the answer, you need to ask Kirby Smart. 

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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BucksHave7's picture

Please take a look at who the incumbent was and then come back and provide your answer to your question.

BucksHave7

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Bucks19's picture

7 - Fields is NOT better than Lawrence. Last year or two years ago. If Lawrence was eligible for the draft this year, he’d be THEE #1 pick by Arizona. No question about it. 

And are these “many coaches” you speaketh of? 

Take the scarlet glasses off. 

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BucksHave7's picture

Here is another article.   Funny how takes longer to make up stuff here and type it.  Instead of just doing a google search to learn the facts. 

https://247sports.com/Article/247Sports-football-recruiting-Debating-Trevor-Lawrence-or-Justin-Fields-111838848/

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Bucks19's picture

Iowa 1 Pryor over Schlichter? Not in a million freaking years!!! No 4 pick of the NFL draft and 4th in Heisman balloting? Cmon man 

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Archerm's picture

If by "crap" you mean the accurate statement of Fields being the "top-rated player ever to make his way to Columbus", then the answer to your question is Andrew Ellis. Kat or Art may or may not have been a better high schooler, but they were not "rated" by the generally accepted standard, the 247 overall ranking, so they could not possibly be rated higher. 

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Big Horn Buckeye's picture

Orlando Pace anyone? Jack Tatum, Chic Harley??

The Super Sophs were so talented, the coaches had a draft for offense and defense!

Different era? Absolutely! Highest rated recruit... this era, maybe. He is a transfer, not a recruit.

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Andrew Ellis's picture

Lol seriously? It’s obviously based on modern recruiting rankings. Hell we’ve already written about it before. What a weird thing to get worked up over. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/...

iowabuckeyes's picture

It’s Buckeye Bob, who’s also convinced DJ Carton is overrated and Jaedon LeDee should be playing more.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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mmp15f's picture

Not to mention the fact that he called Borland an "All-American in waiting" and referenced the 2017 Army game to back up his claim. 

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Blue Eyed Buckeye's picture

Linebackers get an F until they prove otherwise. We just watched the worst season of linebacker play in my lifetime - they don't get any benefit of the doubt. We need to see big changes!

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iowabuckeyes's picture

How quickly we forget. 2012 was pretty bad. Meyer had to move a senior FB who hadn’t played LB since high school to MLB halfway through the season.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Blue Eyed Buckeye's picture

I have bad news for you, my friend. I haven't forgotten, I'm including 2012!

2012 yards per rush attempt - 3.6
2018 yards per rush attempt - 4.6

We thought we knew what bad was in 2012, then Bill Davis came to town and said "hold my beer.'

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Moo Strength's picture

I’d be drinking a lot of beer too if I had all that talent and was that bad of a LB coach too.

If I must choose between peace and righteousness, I choose righteousness! -Theodore Roosevelt.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Wait a minute. Back up. Your original comment was:

We just watched the worst season of linebacker play in my lifetime - they don't get any benefit of the doubt.

So was it the linebackers or the coach? Are you blaming the clay or the potter? Because you seem to be switching gears and now laying all the blame at Billy Davis’s feet (and I’m not disagreeing with you on that). But as it relates to the linebackers themselves—which where your original comment put the blame, otherwise you’d be willing to give them a bit of a pass now that they’re playing for Al Washington—2012 clearly had a lot less talent. No one was moved from offense to defense last year to fix the problem.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Man, those grades must be on curves...much like my curvy 9th grade English teacher - Ms. Digiacomo. 

Certainly don’t want to be Debbie Downer here and talking w a friend the other day, I proclaimed going undefeated is certainly a solid possibility- be it won’t be w/o some growing pains. Just my humble opinion. Certainly the prospect for all of the position groups is there, but some new faces, w new coaches....just sayin’  

I think this team will be a juggernaut by season’s end, but I’m preparing for some ups and downs along the way. 

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Call me prejudiced but “Ms. Digiacomo” doesn’t sound like a blonde woman’s name without a dye job. Witness spying on sexpot Gina Lollabrigida through the keyhole:

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

While voyuerism isn’t my thing, I’ll certainly take a look. That said, Ms. D or “DD” was most def a blonde. Hell, could’ve been triple D. My fear and awkwardness amongst the opposite sex didn’t subside til long after Freshman year of HS. That said, once I did get laid....it became a brand new game!

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Losing your virginity is analogous to raw QBs talking about the game slowing down and seeing fhe whole field and getting better at reading defenses, i.e., nothing like real game experience and a modicum of success to alter your perspective and confidence. And, of course, practice always makes perfect.

Looking forward to Buck68’s thoughts on the matter.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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okiebuck's picture

Not only that BB, but once you set foot on campus those recruiting rankings don't mean a darn thing anymore.

The only hard day was yesterday

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BucksHave7's picture

Actually the teams who recruit the best do the best.  last 5 year avgs:

1) Bama

2) Bucks

3) Clemson

4) Ok

5) GA

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2019/2/5/18211679/college-football-rankings-last-five-years-florida-state-pac-12

BucksHave7

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stpetebuck's picture

Running back room is an A- for just about any program imo. I think Teague will make some noise. 

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Moo Strength's picture

I agree. While losing Weber isn’t great, I don’t think he’s the bell cow that Dobbins is, and frankly I just don’t see the benefit of Snead; I really feel like he was a paper tiger.

If I must choose between peace and righteousness, I choose righteousness! -Theodore Roosevelt.

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Well I’d pushback w I personally don’t see JK as a bellcow. He was for us that one game, but week after week....whereas MT is [roughly] 6’/230# and should be a formidable presence between the Ts - which Weber was. Don’t get me wrong. I like JK as much as the next guy, but he’s better in space. JMO. 

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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Moo Strength's picture

My definition of bell cow is someone who reliably gets yards, and doesn’t fumble the ball. I think Dobbins is far more reliable and consistently does a better job. 

If I must choose between peace and righteousness, I choose righteousness! -Theodore Roosevelt.

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

All good. And that he does and is. I was just thinking as a team, if we run the ball 40 times or more a game....

Mike did drop the tomato a time or two, certainly more than Dobbins, but he was better between the Ts = all I was trying to say. And I think Teague can give us that again. 

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

The grades on each of these units seem to be generous. It almost seems that the coach at each position group was being graded instead of the players. There has been a lot of turnover in some of the units and some under-performing players (probably due to the scheme). I am confident that the new coaches on the defensive side of the ball will improve the play tremendously. 

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Ohbucksclan20's picture

Due to the uncertainty of the position and the new coaches the linebackers and secondary should have a c right now or an incomplete at least until we see the spring game to gauge their progress.

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buckeyepastor's picture

There is no one that is a certain all-american across the offensive and defensive lines, but the depth of “not great but very good” talent we have in both of those units has me excited. Last year the defensive line was Bosa and Jones and then everyone else. This year, everyone on the two-deep has it in them to dominate.the LOS. 

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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Mje037's picture

Special teams is not one of the 9 units. CB's and safeties are separate.

Michael Eastman

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