This doesn’t look like a tournament team.
Many of this year's tournament teams don't look like tournament teams...
Agreed. I love me some Chris Holtman but this is one of the worst shooting teams I've ever seen. Hope these incoming recruits can lift this team
I agree... But I also agree w/the statement....
Many of this year's tournament teams don't look like tournament teams...
I was in favor of seeing them potentially play more games in the NIT over a one and done in the tourney. But if they can land a 11 or 12 seed. They're more than capable of winning that match up (versus 6 or 5 seed) and then contending with the 3 or 4 seed. Luther found his stroke... Ahrens should see more playing time... And Washington is actually playing the passing lanes nicely. I think MSU doesn't have the horses for Kaleb. Tomorrow should be a great one... #3rdTimesACharm
no expectations heading into the dance, but it's great to most likely be part of the field in a season when we were supposed to suck. holtmann is a fantastic coach
the kids are playing their tail off, and the coaches are screwing it up! - JLS
Always good to beat IU on the hardwood.
Glad we have Coach Holt......I cringe when I think that Archie Miller could have been the coach at OSU. We dodged a bullet there.
I Hate Michigan.
We still have another game. An ugly loss to Michigan state is probably enough to keep us out. A win definitely puts us in. This OSU however I don't feel deserves it, just like I felt Oklahoma didn't deserve it last year or whatever year they had Trey Young. Teams that are barely over 500 with a lack of marquee wins (especially in conference) shouldnt go but that's just my opinion.
I tend to agree, but if that's the criteria you quickly run out of deserving teams. It's not like the bubble is full of teams that would be snubbed if Ohio State got in over them. You just have to fill the tournament somehow if there are 68 spots.
Time to revert back to 32 teams.
TG Proud Buckeye alumnus.
That would also make the NIT better, but the loss of money will prevent it.
Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle and mutilate.
Yep. The NCAA tourney is a terrible sporting event. Definitely need to radically change it.
I play, coach stays. He goes, I go.
If we play MSU tough we will be in. As you said, an ugly loss puts us back on the bubble.
Need to root for chalk in the other tourneys.
Or just beat MSU.
Class of 2010.
I prefer the latter.
You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!
That's great the good guys!
Need that 20th win against sparty!
Make sure you're rooting for at least Buffalo and Washington to win their tournaments.
Would also help if Texas lost tonight and Florida lost tomorrow. They're currently next to us in the "last four in" bucket.
Said the other day that I thought we needed two wins or a win and a good loss. Sticking to that... Beat Sparty or keep it close and we are in... get straight up boat raced and starts feeling more like NIT..
Young team... so extending the season is a positive..
Let’s beat Sparty to be sure!
I think we’re in either way.
Beat Sparty, go Buckeyes.
Be sure that Tom Izzo is already practicing his crybaby face in the mirror, in his Chicago penthouse hotel room getting ready for tomorrow's game and ref influence
Yeah, Izzo can work the stripes, but I'm past complaining about bad officiating...always has been, always will be.
We’re in after that demonstration. Great hard fought win. We are a year away!
"Age wrinkles the body, quitting wrinkles the soul" Woody Hayes
Ahrens only played 1 minute?
If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die.
I was surprised as well. Not a good matchup? Others were hot? Don't know, but I trust coach H.
Hope he's not hurt, but A. Wesson was also playing well so maybe Holtmann decided to just run with him.
I think this is the best explanation.
Musa also played a lot of mins because of the match up with Romeo Langford.
I hope Justin gets a chance to show out against his brother.
Should be enough to get OSU in if the committee's thinking isn't far from the Lunardis and Schwabs and Palms of the world.
Not the biggest fan of committees deciding who gets in the playoffs...
Hope you make it into the NCAA. Beat Spartie and be sure!
I know what these bracketeers say but i cant think that an ugly 4 point win over what is essentially a .500 club doesn't makes much difference.
Is it better than losing the game? Sure,,,, Is it enough to sway anyone's opinion of us? Likely no, ie we are slightly better than a .500 team, eh
Beat MSU and I will feel much better.
Lose by 20+ the MSU and I still think we are NIT bound
Close loss and its a toss up
Indiana actually had a pretty good resume for the tournament (much better than a lot of bubble teams). They've beaten Marquette, Louisville, MSU x2 and Wisky. I don't think any other bubble team has close to those quality of wins, other than maybe Texas who has to win their first B12 game just to stay above .500 for the season.
I'll still to what I said the other day, which was beat IU and we have a 90% chance of being in. After Gonzaga lost, I'd say it probably dropped us to about 75% chance of being in which is where I'd say we sit today. I think we may have jumped NC State with their close Clemson game and loss today and think our resume is very similar to Oklahoma's after their loss to WVU. I think it would take at least 2 more conference tournament upsets to knock us out (and thats if teams like TCU, Texas, Florida, ASU, St. Johns all win another game in their tourneys). We are rooting for Buffalo, Nevada and Washington in their conference tourneys. The BE and American conferences could also produce a champ that could steal a bid.
We aren't definitely in by any means, but odds are in our favor.
One factor is all the tournaments going on this week. You want the favored teams to win out. The more unranked teams who win, especially who win a championship, the less spots are available. An obvious example was when St. Mary's beat Gonzaga. If they hadn't done that, St. Mary's wouldn't have made it to the NCAA. If you are watching games, never root for the underdog, because it is a zero sum game. There are only 68 spots, and every spot an underdog takes is one less spot available for OSU. (Edit: obviously things change a bit with rooting interests in the BTT. You never want Michigan to win. And you want teams you beat to win as much as possible, because that makes your victory look better.)
Captain Obvious, is that you?
Yeah, I guess it is kinda obvious. Every now and again, there is an occasion when you really need a bitter rival to win to improve your own situation. I can't see that happening this year with OSU and getting into the NCAA tourney.
Obviously Michigan's rooting interests are in a different place. Personally, for Michigan, I very much want to face Purdue and MSU in the Big 10 tourney. As regards the NCAA's, I want to avoid being in the same region with Duke. There's really no one else I want to avoid. Oh, and unless Michigan all of a sudden starts to hit more threes, I don't see them making it past the sweet 16 unless the brackets are extremely favorable.
Need a good showing or a W against Sparty to “secure” a bid...but other bubble burst opportunities are available still...thanks St Mary’s.
Go our and Win the next one.
I wonder how much KW being back changes the committees thoughts. We looked pretty good today until IU started making everything. Last time before today we saw him was when we shellacked Iowa and looked like every bit of a tourney team. Then he's gone and we literally cannot score. Thought we were pretty good today. Play well tomorrow and see what happens
I thought Ahrens was supposed to be the next Diebler. 0 points today?
It looks like he only played one minute and attempted one shot. Hard to get into a rhythm and the flow of the game in just a minute.
He blew a defensive assignment right after that shot. Suspect that has been an issue in practice as well and maybe his outburst against Iowa got him thinking he did not have to give his all on the other end. Not something Holtmann is going to put up with.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
I thought when we went up 10, in the first half, it was a great time to put him back in and see if he could find his game. Plus IU had to winded by then and having to deal w/him running around for those open spot ups. If he can study the way Diebler relentlessly ran around like Reddick, Ray, Reggie and etc
Didn’t need him or Diebler today.
What the hell--let's just win the tournament and remove all doubt!
Couple thoughts. Osu is not a great team but neither is anyone else on the bubble so I am not going to apologize if osu makes it with less than a stellar record or squad. The tourney is watered down for money sake and it is what it is.
Second the game was nowhere near as close as the score. IU was hitting shots from the hash marks in the last 8 minutes. I did not think the defense got any worse. Osu looked like a much better team today with Wesson back.
Third as far as Holtmann and subs and who plays, he doesnt have much consistency on the roster and plays who he thinks in the moment is playing the best imho. Ahrens has one good game against a horrifically bad defensive iowa team and all of a sudden he is Jordan to half the people on here. He is as inconsistent as the next guy.
And lastly Woods was huge today not just points but the shots he hit were big. Where has this been for the last 2.5 months? If he can play that well it makes OSU much harder to defend.
Go Bucks beat Sparty!
Experience is experience. Getting into the tournament this year may not mean much right now, but it will in the next two-three years
My thoughts precisely. This is a nice way to dip the toe into the water
Making the tournament always beats missing the tournament. At least you're on TV. With 64 teams the winner will be the 1.5% of the pool that made it.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
in looking at bracketmatrix (better than just looking at one individual), we were listed as the last at large before today, but there were 4 teams listed above us that weren't "in" as many brackets as us. Bracketmatrix only averages the ones you are listed in, so their averages were inflated. I think that means we were actually in the "last by" slot. Of the teams in the bottom 8, nc state lost, tcu lost, st johns got crushed and we beat IU. I would say right now, we are at least 3-4 spots clear of the cut line and probably not having to play the play in game. If we don't win tomorrow, I think we are back to a 90% chance of being in, but we will be in a play in game.
Ohio State is not good enough to be in the NCAA's. This is one of my complaints about the way the 64 ( 68 now ) team field is selected. Too many average, or even slightly below average teams like OSU from power 5 conferences, get in over more deserving mid majors. I never understood why smaller conferences determine their champion solely on their conference tournament. A team in the MEAC , Sun Belt, Patriot league, etc can go undefeated in season long conference play, have one bad night in conference tourney play, and they're out. With so much parity in college basketball, more teams from these smaller conferences should get an opportunity instead of a power 5 team that went sub 500 in their league
While I don't disagree with anything in the post really, even if those smaller conference chose to send their regular season champ, it wouldn't change how the at large teams were selected. If anything, some of these smaller conferences gain a chance to get 2 teams in, though I agree that the committee all too often snubs that regular season champ.
Personally, I would go back to a 64 team field. The play in just seems silly.
I would say after last nights games (losses by a lot of other bubble teams), we are safely in the field no matter the outcome today. Lunardi currently has us in the last 4 byes category and as the top 11 seed (moved up 5-6 places with the win over Indy).
Too many average, or even slightly below average teams like OSU from power 5 conferences, get in over more deserving mid majors. . . . A team in the MEAC , Sun Belt, Patriot league, etc can go undefeated in season long conference play, have one bad night in conference tourney play, and they're out.
There's some wisdom in this thinking. If a team can't achieve .500 in conference games, they should probably shuffle off to the NIT, where they might prove themselves.
Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !