Updated Projection for Ohio State's 2019 Depth Chart Following First Week of Spring Practice

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Defiance's picture

Chin up Tcm, I know it's Tuf news to take but it'll be all right...

It's only the first week of Spring practice and these are still projected depth charts.

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tcm1968's picture

Yeah, I know.... but we've got two seasons of tape on Tuf. He's a backup depth guy. He's not going to get faster. Just a waste of time imo giving him any first-team reps at this point. That's just reps that someone else isn't getting and should be. Don't pretend to know who that "someone" should be but it's 100000% not Tuf.. One billion first-team reps won't make him fast enough to be on a championship caliber defense.. that should be the goal...

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Sanitarian2's picture

Yeah, I figured heads were exploding

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BuckeyePat's picture

Yeah. . . 

Also, am I the only one who isn’t thrilled about the O line or the depth?

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Buxki84's picture

O line lacks experience, but at least none of the tackles mentioned are freshman. Munford, Alabi, Petit-Frere and Bowen. I'm looking forward to seeing what they will do. Some NFL teams probably will take that group (well at least one NFL team I-71 south of Columbus).

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Smitty516's picture

Jackson/Davis>Prigdeon/Knox

Jordan was better than Myers, but Jordan was out of position, so maybe Myers might be a better “center.”

Munford at LT is now experienced

Bowen/Alabi/NPF>Prince

I actually believe the line will be much better this year than last...we really picked things up (oline and running game) after the Purdue disaster when we stopped trying to make Haskins run JTs offense. 

I will agree with you for now that the depth at Oline is concerning.

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hetuck's picture

1. Tight end depth should lead to some two TE formations and possibly - dare I say it with QBs taking direct snaps - Berry at fullback.

2. Alex Williams should follow in Alabi's footsteps and make the move to offensive tackle. He'll have a greater chance of seeing the field - especially if Bowen has to move inside. 

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George Hennen's picture

Definitely possible, but Williams would need to put on a lot of weight tho. 270 now. Would need to put at least 30 pounds on 

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Sanantonefan's picture

I love Tuf Borland--when he took over in 2017, the defense seemed to solidify. However, he is going to have a tough battle on his hands to hold off Browning.

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Major H's picture

I'm hoping he's back to 100%. Not sure what % he was at last season, but it wasn't quite enough. 

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Buckloving's picture

Right but what do we take out of last season? The entire defense looked like shit with few exceptions. Why are we just piling up on Borland?

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Sanantonefan's picture

And I'm not saying we should kick him to the curb and am not piling on. I do think he will have to battle to continue as the starter.

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krakatoa64's picture

The defense was just flat out better when he wasnt on the field towards the end of the season

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Sanantonefan's picture

I'm not talking about last season--I don't think he ever was 100%. I was talking about the season before. I thought he played well then. I really think he has a lot of talented folks pushing him for PT this year.

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Buckloving's picture

We had a top ten defense for 2 consecutive yrs and then last yr happened. I'm not sure how we figure out what the hell we have until we play with our new coaches

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Beaver's picture

Unless Borland was playing really hurt creating his snail speed, someone would be a better starter. It got so old watching him miss on the play and then waddle down the field 25 yards behind the guy he already missed. There is too much talent on this team to see that again. 

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Smitty516's picture

Tuf Borland was a better MLB than Worley in 2017 (considering Worley was way out of position). We didn’t have options in 2017 at MLB, so he seemed like an upgrade when he came in. He is solid, but this isn’t necessarily the best era of football for guys like him. For 2019, with guys like Teradja Mitchell as options, I’ll take my chances with them over Borland. Just my opinion.

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MercyTex's picture

A linebacker room with top ten talent fails for 2 years.  A new D coaching staff, and hopefully a better approach will drive personnel decisions.

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NHBuckeye's picture

Looking pretty good!  I do expect to see Mitchell start at MLB and Browning on the outside when it's all said and done.

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GVerrilli92's picture

Next year.

I could maybe possibly see Mitchell taking the MLB spot away from Borland throughout the course of the season. But with White occupying one of the three LB spots now, Browning will not take the only other spot away from Harrison.

Now, if we go back to more of a 4-3 in certain games, moving White back to safety, I could see an LB trio of Harrison, Mitchell, and Browning with White beside Fuller at safety.

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Kyson12's picture

I’m not hating anything here except maybe middle linebacker. I think they should have an open tryout for that position, women and children should be considered. 

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Mean Mr Mustard's picture

Werner is more of a traditional linebacker than White, but he’s still taking a good amount of reps with the first-team defense this spring as well, so he’s still likely to have a spot somewhere on the two-deep after starting last seaso

Compared to White maybe but Werner struggled in the traditional LB role  while he was pretty good in coverage when split out on the field side

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awlinBrutus's picture

Rather see Gill, Garret,Olave or Saunders returning KO's. Will they keep KJ Hill returning punts considering he'll probably be playing a lot of offensive snaps? Im expecting at least 8 PR's per game with the revamped Bullets locked and loaded.

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Mean Mr Mustard's picture

Would like to see McCall or Gill take that job from KJ, so he can concentrate on the slot position, but hands on the PR is the most important thing

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BrutusB's picture

Do you not remember the Jalin Marshall Experience? Hill is reliable back there so don’t mess with it. I don’t care if he fair catches every single one. 

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CowCat's picture

It really doesn't matter who catches a kickoff with the new rules. We just need someone who can reliably catch the ball and take a knee. The chances of running the ball past the 25 yard line will be few and far between.

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Defiance's picture

I'm just happy to have some Spring practice news and an updated depth chart! Is it April 13th yet?!?

Happy (read here as giddy AF) to see tOSU Buckeyes back on the practice field.

While there are still plenty of questions marks at some positions, we are hearing about a lot of different names and combinations that are being tried so it sure does seem like they're at least taking a look at some of the names we are hoping to hear. Hoping to not have to live through another 2018 where a player like White doesn't see the field until there's an injury/ejection!

Good news on both sides of the ball and TONS of talent so I'm excited to hear any news I can get!

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Hovenaut's picture

Yes indeed...talkin' football, y'all.

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GranvilleBuck's picture

If they are going to play a 4-2-5 , why would you not take out Borland / Browning and put Werner  &  Harrison as LBers  and White as Hybrid? Werner is vastly superior to Borland or Browning in pass coverage.

Then you still have Proctor and Fuller as safeties, and wade or Arnette  & Okudah at corners.

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Buckeye06's picture

Depends on down and distance.  If it's 3rd and 4, you probably want the run guys in still since it's easy to get a push with an OL and a running QB if you play too small.  If it's 3rd and 8, you would probably see a more dime set which is probably what you're kind of referring to, in that we play 6 coverage type guys 

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TigerSweat's picture

I'm not too pumped about any combination that includes #20 and #32. I'm still spinning from the weekly psychological damage from seeing those two on the field.

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Buxki84's picture

Nice to be able to mix and match, challenge the guys and find out what works best.

I'd rather be a minute early than an hour early, 'cause I like to procrastinate.

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Sims_tOSU's picture

Unless Pete and Tuf greatly improve, neither belong on the field. They are too often out of position and too slow. 

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GranvilleBuck's picture

Werner slow??? Not sure what games you were watching.  Slow he would not be.

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Bay City Rollers's picture

Slow he would not be.

The force is strong with this one and IMHO he’s absolutely correct. Werner was best in pass coverage last year.

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GranvilleBuck's picture

Werner was a safety and even played corner in high school. He is not slow, and may even be fastest LB on team.

Watch highlights of him on kick off team his freshman year. He was poorly coached last year, and out of position because of that.  It wasn't because he is slow.

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AlwayzABuckeye614's picture

I think Werner is fast 'enough', not great speed. But he whiffed on a lot of tackles last season.

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Ohio Guy in Jersey's picture

He was out of position. That’s different than being too slow.

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bakerjon's picture

I often saw Werner overrunning plays last season. He also looked confused fairly often. I chalked that up to poor coaching, really. He plays hard though. Werner not at the same level and not as fast, but I saw Ryan Shazier doing the same early in his career. Some learning and time for the game to slow down will help Werner. I actually expect him to be much better this season. 

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McGrind's picture

Slow to the ball. 

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j2gobucks's picture

Werner is far from slow - he is small and got wiped when pulled in close to the line, and he had terrible decision making and reactions last year, but he is probably one of the fastest lb's on the team.  He PLAYED slow last year, and was also utilized incorrectly (down in the box).  

Would love to see a LB corp of Harrison / Mitchell / Browning, with browning or mitchell dropping out in favor of the hybrid.  Hybrid being White or Werner.

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tcm1968's picture

There's plenty of room for Werner to improve but it's not exactly awesome that some of the stuff he struggles with is junior-high level stuff. Werner couldn't shed a block to save his life. Once someone engaged him he was out of the play. You shouldn't have to learn that in High School let alone College... that's why he looked so much more natural when they put him out in coverage...

But I don't see how Tuf can improve. His problem is he's too slow. As the 2017 season wore on the fix from Schiano and Fickell was to put Tuf on the sidelines more and more each game. Our starting MLB against the team up north and USC was on the field less than 30% of the plays.. 

He got slower with the injury and they played him more... didn't make any sense..

Slow is slow... 

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BeaverOhioBuckeye's picture

Tuf Borland and Damon Arnette starting on Defense this year is a hard pass for me. I'm 35 years old and have full faith I could run away from Tuf in a foot race and at least get a PI 60% of the time on Arnette until he make a big play then dances over me. 

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Buxki84's picture

Yeah and Arnette will be staring you down because he never looks back for the ball.

I'd rather be a minute early than an hour early, 'cause I like to procrastinate.

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

Read above that Teague and McCall were limited due to injuries in Ohio State first two practices. We are in March and there are injuries to two RB ? Bizarre that could happen so soon. Slight.things like soreness hopefully. We better have 4 deep where needed.

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McGrind's picture

You want RunDMC to make it to the first game healthy you will need to wrap him in bubble wrap.

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Dan Hope's picture

I don't know what the specific injuries are, but they are both minor injuries. Both Teague and McCall have practiced some, they just haven't been full participants (i.e. in drills that involve more contact, they go off to the side for rehab work instead of running with the rest of the offense). But they're both expected to be back to full speed before the end of spring.

Homey1970's picture

Saw Jonah Jackson’s name and said to myself...wow, a walk-on is first teamer.  

My dunce hat is still on.

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Defiance's picture

My dunce hat is still on

It's almost Friday Homey, hang in there brother!!

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buckerew's picture

If D McCall is 3rd on depth chart at RB, frankly I could see him putting his name in the transfer portal. 

Would not blame him if he did. 

Buckeye since 1952.

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Bay City Rollers's picture

I see your point but he’s got a lot of time invested in Columbus and without a degree, I would think he’d have to sit a year.

It’d be a shame if he went anywhere else but at the end of the day, you’ve got to do what’s best for you. I always thought he’d be best served at H back (read here as the Curtis Samuel position) but with KJ back and Saunders and Gill slotted behind him, he’s not going to see reps there.

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tcm1968's picture

He has no interest in blocking when he's in the backfield. I don't think that changes with a new school. He sits and sits and then gets his number called and wants the ball. He nearly got Haskins killed a couple of times last year when he freelanced plays...

Same thing tends to happen when he plays WR... if he's in the route tree he's engaged... when he's supposed to be blocking or a decoy he's just not the same guy... can see it on tape every game..

Heck, probably the same thing with that kickoff blunder against the team up north... he got sent in to do the fair catch thing and lost interest in the play... 

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Beaver's picture

Could very well be 4th if Crawley is as good as advertised.

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tcm1968's picture

What's the deal with Antwuan Jackson Jr? Seemed like he was in the rotation last year and then his injury never really healed and they shut him down. Any updates on if he's playing/healed up and on the depth chart? He was CRAZY explosive off the ball and on the line in High School... 

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stuckupnorth's picture

Werner might be the fastest linebacker. It don’t matter. He don’t make plays. He can run a 4.3 40 for all I care. I’ve seen him a million times not cut the edge off from a lack of something. I’ve seen him get ran over enough as well. Don’t care about track speed. Teams will continue to punish him. Other teams watch film and see it.

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weimerad's picture

Couple things.....

1) No Justin Hilliard not in the 2 deep at the Weakside LB spot?  Heard he was doing really well.  

2) What is specially going on with the development, or lack of, for Tyreke Johnson? Is he just not getting it?  Speed issues? Mechanical issues? 

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Dan Hope's picture

1. It's tough with the linebackers (no pun intended), because there's legitimately 10 linebackers who could be on the two-deep now that White and Wint are playing the hybrid positions, and that's not even including the incoming freshmen who haven't enrolled yet. That said, Hilliard could potentially beat out Gant – I should have at least mentioned Hilliard – I'm just not exactly sure where he fits in right now. He's taken some reps at middle linebacker too, so he could potentially play either of those two spots, but I don't think he's at the top of the pecking order at either spot right now.

2. I don't want to assume too much based off of only seeing portions of a few practices, but from what I have seen of Tyreke Johnson both in the first two spring practices and when practice was open at the Rose Bowl, I've seen him struggle with both tackling and coverage, and he's at the bottom of the depth chart among scholarship cornerbacks right now. He apparently missed some time with an unspecified injury last year, so that probably slowed his development. But it looks to me as though he has a long way to go before he's going to be ready for significant playing time.

tampatom's picture

The best thing is now 2 deep is Mattison and Washington not Schiano and Davis..they will figure out the right rotations

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Buckeyefan4742's picture

Last year at this time nobody would have predicted our 2 deep QB's for spring 2019. Crazy how things can change

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

I envision Hill (H), Mack (Z), and Victor (X) as the starters.

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krakatoa64's picture

Not gonna lie. The defensive depth chart is less than inspiring. I know its early so older guys get the first crack at starting, but this would be uninspiring to say the least. Kind of annoying that browning is still MLB and not moved to OLB. Just dont want older guys playing simply because they are older, like in years past

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vwhiegs57's picture

That is ALOT of Depth on that DLine, without taking a step back really across the board!!

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DroneBuck's picture

Dang it! I knew Arnette coming back with screw up everything and it already has. Okudah & Wade were recruited to be our starting outside corners. But now Wade is getting shipped all over the place, not settled in at CB… for why? So #3 can hold down a starting spot for another year? This makes me so upset. Not to mention the residual effects this has stunting reps and development of our young DB’s. (Williamson, Johnson, Banks, etc.)

These guys are going to have to take over next year with virtually no experience. Our Secondary will likely be losing 4/5 of its members after the season and the replacements will all be very inexperienced. Darn you Cris Carter!

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CherryWine's picture

I’m not watching anymore with Tuf Borland as our MLB.  I’ll drink battery acid in the closet when the is on the field. 

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SouthPacificBuck's picture

In Ryan Day I chose to trust. Hoping for a forward step in coaching and a team that plays up to it's talent potential with a disciplined defense and an explosive offense.

Keep football fun

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