Skull Session: The Beginning of Urban Meyer's Lengthy TV Career, Ranking Ohio State's Draftable Receivers, and E.J. Liddell Gets Player of the Year Nod

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I’m interested to see coach Meyer on the tube once again. Pre buckeye, I thought he did a great job at ESPN. 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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avail31678's picture

Agreed.  I will absolutely be watching, and am eager to hear his analysis of any teams or games he's covering.

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Moo Strength's picture

Agreed. Frankly, ESPN and the SEC has blurred the lines so much I honestly don’t care if Meyer still stands on tOSU 50 yard line during practice and then hosts a show on Fox.

Mainstream media hasn’t been unable to separate personal bias anyway for the last 10 years at least anyway so it’s not like we’re breaking new ground here. 

If I must choose between peace and righteousness, I choose righteousness! -Theodore Roosevelt.

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PRO8's picture

I quit watching ESPN Gameday probably about 15 years ago but with URB on FOX I will now be having that on come Saturdays and whatever other day it may appear. I'm hoping to hear Urb give his takes. Compared to anybody else on these types of shows his should definitely be the most interesting and insightful.

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blueblazer22's picture

I still like Parris better as a pro, mostly in the slot. That position may be “replaceable” according to the writer, but that doesn’t mean Campbell won’t be so good that there is no need to replace him. 

As for Urban I think he will do fine, but Fox may have an uphill battle convincing a good portion of the college football fans that Meyer is a great choice. We know how much OSU dislike there is out there, and I read a story on USA Today that really ripped Urban and Fox. Not that I believe this angle, but you can bet there will be plenty of folks that do. Hopefully he is as solid as he was at espn and doesn’t rock the boat, giving the detractors and ammunition. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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awlinBrutus's picture

My first thought as well. But wouldn't Saban, Kelly, Harbaugh, evenv Dabo be just as polarizing for some fans. Im just glad I don't have to watch that moron homer desmond. Did he ever pick OSU over ttun once during this 14-1 OSU run? And Kirk is the one accused of being a homer? Can't wait for the dubber Fox gameday threads.

Flat earther theory, uh no. We're expected to trust NASA? The one conspiracy i do give cred to is the moon possibly being a monolithic satellite that just happens to be in the perfect orbit around the earth protecting the earth from asteroids, enables the earths much needed axis rotation & controlling the tides And why did NASA not once but twice conduct crash tests on the moon with lunar modules? The theorists say that it vibrated for hours suggesting its hollow.And the infamous 30 minute unexplained blackout of the video feed? And each crater appear to all have the same depth despite the size of the craters suggesting the bigger asteroids made the same impact depths as ones that were 1/10 the size of others? I would think bigger asteroids would have 10 times the energy @ impact? Ancient Astronaut Theorists say yes. I have never heard them say no. We are in the matrix my friends.

Have a great day dubbers. Im doing my 14 hour continuing ed on line today to get my contractors license renewed. Nearing retirement so if any of you dubbers know anyone needing a roofing qualifier for the state of florida you could DM me on twitter.

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Reading your conspiracy theories on the moon made me want to take a nap...

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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wyatt's picture

Now I have even more reasons to take a nap. I can just show people the article. 

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blueblazer22's picture

This satellite idea may have some traction no? Was there really a moon landing, or was it on a soundstage? Has anyone actually left the earth’s atmosphere? Like sands through the hourglass, so are the conspiracy theories of our lives....

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

I'm assumimg you're only interested in qualifying roofs with flat pitches and no curves.

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awlinBrutus's picture

Norcal, Lol, yes most of my experience is flat commercial. the marlins stadium i consider my crowning achievement. Subbed it from PetersenDean, Norcal you may of heard that name in California.Funny story, during construction every month they had a media day and free lunch for everyone. They made a big deal about the reveal of the new Miami Marlin logo. They had already started installing the seats. The new logo was on the side of the seats the whole time, lol. The senior super was a piece of work, Sal.The weekly sub meeting was always an adventure. He threw everyone out one week.He threatened to throw subs off the job everyweek. He was also the super for the new Milwaukee Brewers stadium previous to the Marlins ballpark.They were hoisting a big Air handler unit and the weather was bad, crane operator was told not to do the pick.He did anyway, and the crane fell over killing himself and couple others i think. So when it came time to load the retractable roofs (the dome) Sal told us he wasn't going to allow us to use a crane, lol. We were like ok, how do you expect us to load 300k sq ft of roofing material? And yes we used a crane.Hurricane Irma blew off the West side of the west retractable roof. Surprising since we maxed out all the uplift tests.

As far as the moon conspiracies go, or Ancient Astronaut theorists go all i can say is if you think that we are the only intelligent life in a universe that is infinite, i have some ocean front real estate in montana for sale. Will be interesting what the russians find on dark side of the moon.

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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85ThruTheHeart's picture

I don’t buy the moon stuff. Our imaginations have always run wild until we get a more advanced scientific understand of our surroundings. People thought the earth was hollow (and flat before that), that the earth was the center of the universe, that all celestial bodies were held in place by magic crystals (not the term used by Aristotle, but pretty much the same thing), etc. Actually being able to gather physical samples and do hands-on studies of the moon is an incredibly new development. This and other theories rely on, “well how do you explain...” That’s the point of science: to gain knowledge of the unexplained. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I tend toward Occam’s razor until all of the data is in.

"He has that look in his eye when it's time to start feeding the beast" UFM on EZE

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Extramedium's picture

the only way something like that stays a secret is if only one person knows the truth.  The sheer number of NASA employees needed to pull anything off they’ve been accused of lying about makes it absolutelyimpossible.  

That’s not mentioning the mountains of scientific evidence to the contrary of each and every stupid theory out there.

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blueblazer22's picture

Not so sure that the Flat Earth link explains a whole lot, but it is somewhat entertaining just in talking about the idea of a flat earth I suppose. 

Anyone can believe what they want, and I don’t know that it matters why they believe it as long as they do. I believe in a handful of conspiracy theories I will admit, but flat earth is not one of them. To each his own. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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MichiBuck12's picture

I thought Urban was really good on TV last time and if he wants to make it a long term thing, he will be very successful at it. I also think thats the way to go if he wants to change what people think about him nationally. Personally I think he will coach again. Its in his blood. Its who he is. And I don't have a problem with that at all. I also think though that he will never be the same coach he was early in his career. He's already not that guy anymore and hasn't been for a few years.

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Homey1970's picture

I’m a little puzzled why so many people believe that he’ll coach again.  The most important person who decides his future isn’t his doctors or even Urban.  Shelly Meyer is the key person and, based on everything I’ve heard from her, she’s never going to open that door.

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PhillyNut's picture

Agreed. And nobody can complain that he left Ohio State in the same situation that Florida was in when he resigned there.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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Dillon G's picture

Fox football coverage is not like ESPN which so damn count-counterpoint decisive. Good call.

#walkaway

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Dillon G's picture

Go with Denzel Ward. 

#walkaway

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cdub4's picture

I was always fairly high on the NFL prospects of Campbell, Mclaurin, and Dixon. They came in as 4 star prospects, with two being 4.4 and sub 4.4 coming out of high school. Tremendous athletes, and JT did not have the best arm talent.

4 star athletic receivers showing they have NFL level talent while playing with a potential NFL QB for a season in their 5th years at OSU is not all.that shocking to me. There were quite a few WR defenders over the years here...at least some.

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Flat earth & conspiracy theories, you say? From the link:

Some research shows that conspiracy theorists want to be unique, and have lower levels of education and analytical thinking skills, he said.

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You win with people. 

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

"You have to play with emotion, you can't let emotion play with you." - Ryan Day

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PhillyNut's picture

I can do without the reprints of Doug Lesmerises. He may write some decent articles but he is a known Buckeye hater. He did everything he could to push for Urban to be fired as soon as the Smith thing came out. Yesterday he was trashing the school for what they paid their assistant coaches. Oddly enough he never takes ttun to task for what they paid Harbaugh or the bizarre things he has done recruiting but if he writes anything about ttun it is with praise. Most readers on cleveland.com have also come to realize he takes every opportunity to write something negative about the Buckeyes.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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MichiBuck12's picture

It has been my observation that the Cleveland sports media is the Cleveland Browns of sports media. Which is to say they have been absolute garbage my entire life. The Browns are changing, but the media in town is still an absolute joke.

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soldierdad's picture

Lesmerises is very thorough at breaking down any particular subject in the OSU football world.  It’s when he becomes a rash SJW that he goes off the rails.  I’m not sure he views UM as a savory program.  He does view them a an existential threat, and that has a tendency to make you focus on why they’re a threat.  

I don’t mind negative press about the Buckeyes if it’s merited and factual.  For example when Tressel went down because of not exposing Terrelle Pryor because there were bad actors involved, that was negative press but I liked Tressel’s act.  When Tressel was found out to have lied to the NCAA about knowingly not reporting a violation that was negative press.  I didn’t like the news, but was glad to know it.  We have minds to discern.  We don’t need only goodies.

The soldier is my son.  The school I gone to didn’t teach much grammar.  

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Mr.GoodKat's picture

Solid take! I don't read/listen to Lesmerises enough to judge him or judge fairness. I do agree that is important to hear/read multiple views on subjects even if they aren't what you want to hear.

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PhillyNut's picture

I agree that there needs to be objective views from all angles and I am not only looking for the goodies/rose colored glasses take. What I personally find with Doug though is that he rarely offers up both sides or if he does then it is one or two comments on the pro Buckeye side of a story and the rest is his attack/anti-Buckeye off the rails. He can be an insightful writer but as you say he does become that rash SJW. You can offer up a critical take as long as you acknowledge there is another side to the story (or multiple perspectives). Doug definitely struggles to do that.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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Kevin Harrish's picture

Eh, that’s never really been my vibe. I don’t think it’s necessarily his job to write things with pro Buckeye slant, nor do I think he’s a Buckeye hater or goes out of his way to write negative things anyway. I know him personally, and I don’t think that’s the case at all. He’s critical of certain things sometimes, but it’s not because he has it out for Ohio State (given the example you listed, I know he thinks assistants throughout college football are overpaid. It’s not an Ohio State attack. He just “attacked” Ohio State for it because he covers Ohio State). I think a lot of the time, he writes interesting stories, comes up with interesting angles, and talks to sources nobody else talks to. So I can guarantee he’ll be in here more.

Dillon G's picture

While they are not the same player, the highlights are similar to William Buford from Libbey. Willie Buckets did everything including knock over St Johns in Districts.

#walkaway

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iowabuckeyes's picture

E.J. Liddell will be what we could only wish Andre Wesson would be. He’ll be a 20 minute man as a freshman, possibly a starter by season’s end.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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I'm Ron Burgundy's picture

Thought the same thing watching his highlights from a few different games now.  An immediate upgrade to A Wesson and K Young. Would start him on Thursday if Holtmann could get his hands on him.

I know we're not supposed to over hype or get unrealistic expectations for a freshman coming in to play over guys who will be in their 3rd and 4th years in college, but Liddell just looks like he's physically ready right now.  I love Andre and Kyle, but they are what they are, which is I think solid role players at this level. E.J. looks to have much greater offensive potential which is what this team needs. 

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Dillon G's picture

I watched his tape. It’s good in the right way. Like Willie Buckets.

#walkaway

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buckeyepastor's picture

I like the sound of Meyer at FOX more so than at ESPN.  I think we all knew that he wasn’t going to merely take a “ride off into the sunset” sort of position at OSU and that would be all.  I really hope he finds fulfillment with this, because while I would wish him success if he did return to coaching it would not make me happy but deeply concerned.  Wherever he coaches, it is with an intensity that exacerbates a painful condition for him. I hope he finds a way to live with purpose without putting himself or his family through that again.  

I really, really like McLaurin. He doesn’t have the explosiveness of Campbell, but he has better hands, runs better routes, takes care of his business better without the ball.  What’s more, if both start out buried on the depth chart in their rookie year, we all know which one is likely to turn heads on special teams. 

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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soldierdad's picture

Fair assessment of the Buckeye trio of pass catchers.  I think McLauren and Dixon have better translatable skills.  But Campbell has that great ‘wow’ factor.  His ability to take it to the house from any place on the field matters.  The new NFL offensive schemes fit him like a glove.  All three have special team capability.  Seriously, the biggest obstacle they face on draft day is their film pre Hartline, and Haskins.

The soldier is my son.  The school I gone to didn’t teach much grammar.  

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Johnny Dixon has the best hands out of all the WRs.

TMaC runs the best routes.

Parris is the best pure athlete. 

These guys will make a good living and represent OSU well.

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

I can get with this assessment S74.

It’ll probably come down to a Team’s philosophy, as well as what they’re looking for in a WR.  If it’s the “”wow” factor as said by someone else above, I see Campbell obviously going first.

While often reading the “threat to take it to the house” Campbell narrative, it’s McLaurin who had only one less TD then Campbell this year.

Ironically, McLaurin has four to five more TDs career wise then Campbell and Dixon; he just accomplished his with a lot of less “wow” factor.

Statistically, Dixon and McLaurin had close to 70% of Campbell’s yardage on 35%ish of touches, which I think could be a point of the article.  Historically, it’s been Campbell, Samuel, Marshall with the most receptions.

Campbell played the H position in Meyer’s offense, which was literally fed in the playcalling.  With Day, I’m excited about a foreseeable change where the X and Z positions are used a whole lot more then primary blockers.  I believe this philosophy change will be a big difference in the play and success of the WRs, especially with Hartline leading the room and the talent available.

End result is I’d like to see all their names called! 

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

I think it’s going to happen for all of them. And I think teams will draft them according to fit/needs.

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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hetuck's picture

1. Ryan Day is off to a great start in the deadel art of building a championship team.

2. Meyer is done coaching and ready to move on to the next chapter in his life. What will be interesting is how candid coaches will be with him, knowing anything they say will wind up in Columbus. 

3. An Apple TV service will need content. Yesterday Amazon was part of a consortium buying the YES Network from Disney. You can bet the B1G office is paying attention and there will be a streaming component to the next B1G TV contract. Don't forget they will be first to the plate in the next round of negotiations. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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lamplighter's picture

While I don't believe that the Earth is flat, it would be cool if it were flat, and that it was on the back of elephants standing on a giant tortoise.  Like this

with all the conspiracy theories out there today, there is going to be a run on tin foil. Bet on it

This is a forum post from a site member. It does not represent the views of Lamplighter LLC unless otherwise noted.

peidiwch â ffycin gyda'r Cymry
 

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

That's BS. We all know that tortoises have flat shells.

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Beaver's picture

The next “team” you write about Corso, you may want to get somebody to read and check before posting an article. I know this is petty, but it is rampant in so called journalism at all levels. I guess real journalism went out the window a few years ago. Be proud.

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Kevin Harrish's picture

Buddy, I am proud of my work. Believe it or not, somebody did check my work. Sometimes things slip through the cracks, especially when it's an actual word that's just misused. Mistakes happen and typos certainly aren't a new thing. But I do generally appreciate when people point them out. Especially when they're polite.

Also, I've been through this before with a lot of people, but what I do in the Skull Session is not, and should not be considered "journalism," in my opinion. But that's an entirely different conversation.

IGotAWoody's picture

I know this is petty

Nailed it. Nuff said.

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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58Buckeye's picture

 Ohio State's odds to win the national title are currently 250/1

Is there some place on-line, I can place a wager on this?  If so, Link Please. Thanks in advance.

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Kevin Harrish's picture

There specific odds are from Betonline.ag (The same sportsbook in Colin's Tweet) but you could find a very similar line on pretty much any online sportsbook (5Dimes, Bovada, BetDSI are a few popular ones)

buckeyearchie76's picture

Thank God--UFM did not go to ESPN!  I really hated to see Urban give up coaching OSU.  Day is going to be fine..  Urban really looked like crap as the season went on.  His health was failing him obviously.  The docs said the only way he was going to get better was to get rid of stress---like there is any stress being the head coach at OSU (LOL)  My first reaction to this new job was simple---this is deja vu all over again.  Now, I think that is not the case at all.  He will do the same thing at FOX as he did at OSU  He is flat out going to tear it up.  Good Luck Urban!   You are the best football coach we have ever had!  And thanks for leaving us a guy like Ryan Day.  This program is in great hands!   GO BUCKS!

Louis Haynes

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IBleedSandG's picture

Roby is one player I'd like to see the Bengals go after, but alas, they're the Bengals.

#GrindFor9

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iowabuckeyes's picture

I don’t know if I should upvote you or downvote you because, well, while the truth hurts, that doesn’t mean I have to like it.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Hovenaut's picture

Feeling the same on UFM as others here - I didn't think it would be long before he landed a TV gig, and also glad it's with FS. 

I do wonder how long he stays in his current role at OSU.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

1) Urban Meyer on TV is an ad for Ohio State; 2) with Buckeye Nation tuning in just for him, Fox’s ratings will look good; 3) ala Howard Stern, his haters watching just do they can cuss at their TV won’t hurt, either; 4) he can do his prep work at home, take Shelley with him if she wants, do the show, go back home again, 5) unless they’re paying him $5 million, I won’t write off him scratching the itch to coach again.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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BengalBuck's picture

I challenge anyone reading this who has interest or the time and yet still doubts that this earth is a flat plain, to conduct their own personal research to determine for themselves whether we actually inhabit a heliocentric universe. And I don't mean to just go watch a few biased, pro or con, videos online but actually perform a few experiments to see if you're able to invalidate the claims of a flat earth model being made.

For most, it's easy to say what you "believe" based on some "authority" you've encountered growing up and certainly more comfortable in just accepting the prevalent conventional wisdom in the notion that the "science is settled" argument or simply dismiss those who call into question the orthodox view. Some would prefer slinging ad hominems rather than doing the much more difficult work of digging down for empirical evidence where some hard truths may reside and be rewarded with "knowledge".

I'll give you fair warning however, that if you do the research, prepare to have your view on all things turned completely upside down.

That's the last thing I'll have to say on the subject....happy hunting.

#Go Bucks

Neil Armstrong lied to me...

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PhillyNut's picture

I tried to write an objective response but found that even the need to do it was insane so just LOL.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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avail31678's picture

Anyone who doesn't believe the earth is round is just flat-out wrong.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

I read on the Internet that the Earth was round...so it must be true.

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dmiller2345's picture

I also saw this quote on the internet: "Never believe everything you see on the internet" - Abraham Lincoln

Urban Meyer, undefeated (7-0) VS ttun | Ryan Day, undefeated (2-0) vs ttun

*As always, In (Urban) Ryan Day I Trust! There is a plan, even if we cannot see it right now!

God, Family, Guns, Country, and Sports!

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

If Honest Abe said it...I am all in!

It's settled...the Earth is flat!

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IGotAWoody's picture

I believe talking to any airline pilot would clear up any confusion you might have about the earth being round.

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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shamgod's picture

Or just drive across Kansas and watch the next town rise into view.

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tampatom's picture

No way all three receivers get drafted if Smith was still coach, each of their draft stocks drastically improved with coaching of Hartline, ie route running, and Haskins development over the year

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Buckeyeneer's picture

First off, I don't really believe he's ever going to coach again (and it doesn't sound like Fox does, either). But even if he did, I wouldn't be even slightly bothered. He came to Ohio State, won more than 90 percent of his games, never lost to Michigan, had an undefeated season and a national title, and left the program better than he found it. If he wants to go coach elsewhere now, cool. Best of luck!

This is a good take.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes

THE Ohio State University

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Ryan.Honeycutt's picture

Meyer asked to specifically work for Fox because he would get a chance to work beside bush and leinhart... maybe pick their brains about life at USC?

RyanPH

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avail31678's picture

Where does it say that?  Article says he specifically wanted to work at Fox...and stops there.  

Maybe he wanted to work at Fox because ESPN were dicks to him within the last year?

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okiebuck's picture

I used to suck at naps but then I came across a soccer game on the tube; put me out like a light; so now I have one on DVR that I play when I need a nap, works every time. Go Bucks!

The only hard day was yesterday

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Just understanding Urban's competitiveness should be a clue as to why he wanted to go to Fox.  ESPN was 24/7 with bullshit takes on the whole Zach Smith saga and it pissed him off big time! This was a network he worked for and they stabbed him in the back with over the top commentary.  I guarantee his outrage has settled into a big F@#$ YOU ESPN -- It is a brilliant move on his part (and Fox's for hiring him) because GameDay is no longer watchable!  I will absolutely be tuning into Fox in the morning!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

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avail31678's picture

I hope they come up with some fresh ideas and combine it with Urban's intrigue and excellent football knowledge and really give Gameday a run for its money.  

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