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ashtabulassassin's picture

1. It seems like everything Zach Smith related has been either debunked or at least put on pretty shaky ground, even the minor things. So at this point I feel like he should be rehired, if not here because of PR... somewhere.

2. I think Day is a 10-2 coach like lots of great coaches. Harbaugh, Franklin, Pelini, Richt, etc. Personally guessing Franklin is a little better most likely. 10-2 is a consistently great coach and anything better is super rare to find... like a Carroll, Meyer, Saban. You basically never get one of those and then get an Upgrade. 

3. Tate > Fields. The little we know about Fields, I'd honestly take Tate. Man was flawless as a backup and Fields could't beat out Fromm. 

4. I like Pelini and Franklin...

5. At least as a college receiver ... Devin Smith > Michael Thomas

6. Don't have any issues with Meyer's loyalty to assistants  

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bucknut1994's picture

Zach Smith should have been fired long before July 2018 for being a terrible coach. 

#94Ways

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ashtabulassassin's picture

Disagree... But again not a thread for trying to change opinions... ALL the opinions are knowingly unpopular

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AzBuckeye45's picture

Some more than others, apparently.

"Cause I couldn't go for three!"
Woody Hayes-1968

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Jumar's picture

Disagree

BuckeyeJack?

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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buckskin's picture

I upvoted at 69 votes. Nice.

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Jimmy77's picture

What makes this an unpopular post?  Most everyone agrees with it don't they?

Jimmy77

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Hanawi_'s picture

Wow. There's some doozies in there. Some are actually easily debunked with facts.

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MichiBuck12's picture

Out of curiosity, is your opinion of Day based on anything specific about Ryan Day himself, or more based on the incredibly low likelihood that the coach hired to follow an absolute legend is also an absolute legend? Not trying to argue the point, just trying to see where you're coming from on that one.

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ashtabulassassin's picture

@MichiBuck12... I think he has done a bunch of stuff right and a few things wrong... but we all feel that way about any coach most likely. 

It is more of the liklihood of following a Saban/Carroll/Meyer with something equal... the odds are just so low, even if you are phenomenal coach. Esp given Day's experience. Swinney, Saban, and Carroll all took a long time to be elite. None of them have career win/loss records in the same conversation as Meyer's. So really in terms of coaches that from Day 1 were at the Meyer level... it is really so far just Meyer... like ever. At least in the era of modern college football.  

Thanks for asking.

Buckshots... in case you have amnesia.

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TheAFBuckeye's picture

What specifically do you think Day has done wrong so far? Just curious.

Let's Go BUCKEYES!!!!!

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

Recruiting 3 star Ohio kids. 

Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!

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MichiBuck12's picture

I think thats fair. Urban is statistically one of the greatest coaches of all time, not just at Ohio State. So I would agree that the chances of following up an all time great with another all time great is highly unlikely. In defense of Ryan Day though, he took over in a really tough spot last year and performed admirably. He also seems to be doing very well on the recruiting trail so far. In my opinion, there is reason to be optimistic about him, but at the same time I want to keep my expectations within the realm of reality. Nobody is perfect right out of the gate and I think there will be some growing pains over the next couple years.

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awlinBrutus's picture

Not at all impossible as it happened with the Miami Hurricanes. Built by Scnhellenberger, then came JJ, Erickson, Butch Davis and Larry Coker. I think they all won National Championships. I think Day may match Meyer's success because he's young and hungry. And being from the NFL he'll play the best at every position. My list below:

2012-granting a 5th year to Jordan Hall why? Part of tattgate and we had 3 less scholly's because of sanctions.
2015-Warinner as OC, He already had the blueprint from 2014. No need to change offense, Cardale ran it just fine. Braxton in the wildcat disrupted the flow of the offense.
2016-Warinner still the
2017- Naming JT the starter prior to spring
Haskins should have platooned with JT
Starting JT 6 days after surgery over a
healthy Haskin's

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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PhillyNut's picture

Classics!

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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aledyard's picture

I disagree with points 1 and 6, but don't have much grief with points 2-5.

"In America, anyone can become president.  That's the problem."  George Carlin

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TPsTeaCan's picture

I know the rules by the OP said no arguing...but sheesh I couldn’t get through the first five comments, you’re NOT invited to my birthday party

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Il_Padrino's picture

So all the DV warriors showed up - Several points are pretty valid. 

Living the life!  Go Buckeyes!  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

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BuckeyeBulldog's picture

There's hot takes and then there is whatever that was.

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CincyOSU's picture

Disagree about Smith. Agree 100% about Tate > Fields(hope I’m wrong though). 

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burger1124's picture

Honestly I think I'm ok with it even if true. At some point--and maybe this makes me a bad fan--I think I'd rather go 10-2 with players I genuinely care for than go to the natty with people I have to suppress my moral questions about. Tate really showed his true colors through this whole situation, and I'm glad I don't have to worry about setting aside my dislike for him in order to fully embrace this team.

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Buckeye0905's picture

 It was time for Urban to retire and Day will breathe life into the program. Urban is arguably the best coach in program history loyalty to certain assistants and players caused obvious tension in the locker room. The past few years of coaching seemed to be an absolute chore for Urban whereas Day looked like a kid on Christmas running out of the tunnel vs TCU.

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Guts's picture

Also, his stubborn refusal to stray away from an offense that was so easily defended due to his loyalty to a certain QB. I'm gonna miss Urban, but these things are undeniable to me.

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Il_Padrino's picture

You mean after he ordered the same play for Tate on short yardage at the goal line over and over and over and over and... well you get my point.  I've watched a lot of tape on Tate and that kid has wheels and an arm yet it was like Woody Ball - load up the line and run a small QB in to the the back of our own line and he falls down...

Living the life!  Go Buckeyes!  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

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Guts's picture

Ohio State could've one two more National Titles if Urban benched JT Barrett when it was clear that he wasn't the same player he was in 2014. Backups can be leaders too.

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allinosu's picture

I will say this about your opinion, I thought it was a mistake to play an injured JT against Wisconsin when the committee had to be swayed. They needed to see a different team that lost to Clemson the year before. Win, lose or draw they should have let a healthy and proven Haskins air it out.

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infantrybuck's picture

That game truthfully was one of the worst performances I’ve ever seen in Big game by a buckeyes QB. Haskins starts that game and we would have won by 6 touchdowns and been in the playoff.

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The Rill Dill's picture

Urban’s decisions cost us a couple title shots. 

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awlinBrutus's picture

Boekman vs LSU might have been worse. He threw a interception in the 2nd qtr that a HS QB would know better not to throw. That's how bad the decision was. I still shake my head how Austin Spitler missed that punt block. Ironically, he spent 3 years with the dolphins specifically for special teams. Not saying either play would have changed anything but like the old saying in tournament poker, "chip & chair". A play here, a play there, LSU players tighten up maybe a TO, never know.

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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burger1124's picture

I don't disagree, primarily bc we've seen it done by OSU quarterbacks before. But the flip side is "Hey, we're iffy on this team already, and a backup QB winning a game about a Wisconsin team we're also iffy on doesn't really move the needle much." Unless Haskins went out and put up a 59-0 on them, I still think they would've been left out. And remember who was coaching the receivers at the time--59-0 wasn't gonna happen.

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

A lot of the WRs issues had a whole lot less to do with who was Coaching them, then it was who was throwing it to them, in my Unpopular Opinion!

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Guts's picture

Yep. The bad WR argument doesn't make sense to me. Especially when you think about the fact that Haskins became the starter and all of a sudden all the WR's (minus Victor) ball out every game. It wasn't the wideouts. It wasn't the line. It was a QB that "couldn't hit concrete falling out of a car", and the coach that refused to bench him. If it was everyone else on the offense's fault then the offense wouldn't have been unstoppable the moment, the very instant, that QB ran out of eligibility. Everything points to what's most likely the case. We had NFL caliber players at every position and they were all held back from reaching their potential because Urban Meyer refused to bench a glorified RB and put in a real QB.

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MountainsAwait's picture

Of all the comments, I think yours is won of the best.

"Thousands of tired, nerve-shaken, over-civilized people are beginning to find out that going to the mountains is going home; that wilderness is a necessity..." -John Muir

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Go1Bucks's picture

LoloL

Go Bucks! TTUN tears are best! Beat Wisky!!!

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Guts's picture

I was so annoyed when I saw that mistake and I didn't see it til after I would've been able to edit it. Damn my horrible habit of never proofreading.

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BKallDAY's picture

Same thing different year. . . I think a late in the First Clemson game  they should have benched Braxton and put in Kenny G  he just looked to beat up 

And at the end there urban was not looking like a great coach anymore however I still think he was the best recruiter in college football

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BrutusB's picture

Braxton was hurt but did fine in that game.  They needed someone else to play safety, not QB.

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Il_Padrino's picture

Safety's could have been 8 feet tall and run 4.0 40 and could not have stopped that WR MACHINE.  That kid was ON FIRE!!!

Living the life!  Go Buckeyes!  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

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2morrow's picture

Let's not forget - the corners were playing 10 yards off the line of scrimmage the entire game. In the end, all we had to do was field a punt and we win by 2-3 scores. Hyde was averaging like 8 yards a carry and they couldn't stop him.

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burger1124's picture

That game implanted in me the false notion (that I still desperately believe): that Sammy Watkins was going to be an NFL HOF wide receiver. Nope, we were just that bad in the secondary.

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TheBadOwl's picture

 Ohio State could've one two more National Titles if Urban benched JT Barrett

Hell, I'll go one better.

Ohio State wins multiple national titles if Urban doesn't phone it in when hiring assistants after the 2014 title. (Schiano, Beck, Davis, Grinch, Taver) 

Ohio State wins multiple national titles if Urban was willing to make serious schematic updates/adjustments before they cost him an actual game (pass defense in 2013, pass offense in 2015/16, swiss cheese defense in 2017-18, run game in 2018). 

Ohio State wins multiple national titles if Urban doesn't lose the killer edge he showed in playcalling at Florida (far more offensive creativity, more punt block attempts, etc). 

If Urban cuts Zach Smith loose after the 2015 season (or sooner), the receivers don't hold back the offense in 2016-17, the latter of which had Ryan Day calling the plays. 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

2016-17 Season had less to do with the WRs holding back the Offense, then it did with a limited passing arm against the better teams and defenses.

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Guts's picture

Welp, this was unexpected... I fully expected to log in to a thrashing of biblical proportions over my comment.

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Funny, I often feel the same way with my best comments.

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Guts's picture

This is a strange thread. I'm seeing a lot of things that I thought were taboo around here getting a lot of up votes.

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hairlessnutts's picture

Dude ur off your rocker

Would your job hire you back after your actions caused a ton of negative media press?? Maybe. But only if you were able to make said company considerably more money than the average alternative. Zone 6 showed in 18 how under coached they had been pre Hartline.
Smith was a bad coach. And an even worse human.

10-2 eh???? So now your just throwing out arbitrary numbers??

Tathem over fields??? Put the bottle down dude, sleep it off

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Guts's picture

Please don't use this thread to argue with others' unpopular opinions, but just list your own.

-OP

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countrybuckeye's picture

tru dat, but for some reason my hunch is this is epic-level sarc game by Ashtabula assassin 

“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”

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ashtabulassassin's picture

Must have forgot to read the post. If you disagree with someone's opinions no need to tell us... Anyone posting here already knows their opinions are unpopular... certainly they have been hearing the opposite of what they believe for awhile and obviously don't agree. So you won't be changing any opinions in this thread.

Buckshots... in case you have amnesia.

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Urban Master's picture

Instructions are hard - apparently!

MW

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countrybuckeye's picture

but “reading in FUN-da-MENTAL!”

“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Like moths to a flame.

Or mosquitos to a bugzapper.

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hairlessnutts's picture

Sorry but dudes basically saying the earth is flat. Its almost insulting my intelligence.

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ashtabulassassin's picture

List all your unpopular opinions and we'll see how everyone feels about you.

Buckshots... in case you have amnesia.

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hairlessnutts's picture

I dont chose to speak about things that i have very little info on. Or if my opinion is vastly different than the market place i tend to ask myself why? In your case it seems as though you have a hard time being objective and carry on a lot of things based on emotional attachment.

So no i wont speak my opinions to the masses. I dont care to. And i know if i did it would end up a sh@t show.

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Defiance's picture

So no i wont speak my opinions to the masses

username checks out...

"Defiance in Silence" 

Shhhh

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ashtabulassassin's picture

Got it, you believe whatever the masses tell you to. Cool.

Buckshots... in case you have amnesia.

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Oakland Buckeye's picture

Here's my popular opinion - this thread is ignorant. Why do I want to read a bunch of hot takes that we already know are stupid.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

jebes Michigana

jebi rak

Ako ne možete postavljati bez gluposti ... nemojte

Ako vièeš na suce, ti si šupak
 

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Il_Padrino's picture

Because it's fun.  Just wish this many people would respond to the "Chic Harley statue" thread...

Living the life!  Go Buckeyes!  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

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allinosu's picture

To be fair it was really hard to tell if receivers were under coached when the footballs thrown at them were questionable, late or not thrown at best.

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Kangarooman's picture

That's definitely an opinion I agree with but never would share aloud. People forget that we had a quarterback that the coaches were afraid to throw the ball more than 15 yards downfield. How would we even know if the receivers were coached poorly?

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Skunk bear blood's picture

what your unpopular opinions are

I like daylight savings time....man that was hard to admit to everyone.  Don't @ me. 

IT. WAS. A. FUMBLE.

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buckeye_in_WI's picture

If you like it so much then call it by it's real name! [Daylight Saving Time]

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Barfolomew's picture

@skunk
Your opinion isn't unpopular it's wrong

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Me too. It's switching back to EST in November that sucks.  Just keep us one hour ahead all the time, so there's more daylight in the afternoon. We don't need the sun up until 8 in the winter anyway.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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CincyBuck's picture

I like daylight savings time

So serious question: other than the one person who already replied to this comment, is hating Daylight Savings Time a popular thing?  It's hard to see anything wrong with it. 

I mean, I know anyone from the State of Indiana irrationally hates it for reasons I'm still trying to surmise.  And I get that waking up in the winter in the dark kind of sucks.  But that's going to happen, anyway, in the winter.  You might as well see the sun for, like, 10 minutes after work. 

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Il_Padrino's picture

Absolutely hate winter hours - which one is correct and which is the corrected time?  ;-) 

I'm all for more sunlight so that is the one I vote for.  There are many countries and even states within the US that do not utilize it - they have their collective $hit together whereas everyone remains a bunch of fools.  Speaking of fools - Italy loves winter hours so much they aren't changing until 31 MARCH - DAMN IT TO HELL.

Living the life!  Go Buckeyes!  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

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soldierdad's picture

Turning the clocks forward was great in NC this year.  We lost an hour of rain.

The soldier is my son.  The school I gone to didn’t teach much grammar.  

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GunnerBuck's picture

Zach Smith was a shit coach, bad husband and an irresponsible man but the dude isnt uncommonly evil or bad. (may not be that unpopular here)

Meyer was getting too comfortable the longer he was HC. he put loyalty over success and winning national titles. With the talent we had/have there is no way we shouldnt have made the playoffs every year. We're now starting to see the effects of that in Clemsons recruiting becoming elite and essentially taking the guys we want (Sherman and Breese for example). I was calling for Meyer to step down when it was announced he was suspended because I felt it was just a matter of time. I am glad the team was able to get him "the big one" in a Rose Bowl Championship though.

I don't feel schools should pay the players anymore than they already do. They should be able to use their likeness and/or status to make money if someone is willing to pay them. 

I like Bama. If you're a real football fan it's hard not too. 

"Come on, you sons of b!tches! Do you want to live forever?" -- Dan Daly, WWI

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Evannati's picture

You kind of had me there for a while, till you liked Bama.  

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GunnerBuck's picture

I can't help it. What Saban has done is damn impressive. He's won a title in damn near ever evolution of the game since he's started coaching. The sustained success, elite recruiting and hungriness he still has is crazy. He really is the GOAT. 

"Come on, you sons of b!tches! Do you want to live forever?" -- Dan Daly, WWI

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Molandisi's picture

I think it's the Miami Dolphins holding on line 1, hoping for a word with you...

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B-Razor's picture

J. T. Barrett is the greatest QB in Ohio State history.

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Guts's picture

I feel very differently and I feel like my opinion is extremely unpopular... I feel like yours is the more common opinion I come across in regards to him. Do you really get so much backlash?

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Just take trip through the Foums from 2016 & 2017. There are plenty of people who feel the way you do.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Guts's picture

Apparently I showed up after that. I got torched and downvoted for my opinions. But if that conversation was happening for a year before I joined the forum, then it was probably getting downvotes for unknowingly beating a dead horse. Meh, it is what it is.

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USMC11917's picture

Disagree (I know that’s the point =no downvotes)

He is one of the greatest leaders and has some of the best statistics in its history.

Speaking purely Quarterback talent, it has to be an argument between Haskins and Smith.

if you can’t even start a single game in the NFL, how can you be the best in our program history?

Again, not arguing. Just making conversation for debate.

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TheBadOwl's picture

Some related fuego takes of mine: 

  • People will overrate Haskins based on NFL success and a crazy finish to the season, but he had some rough games (TCU, Penn State, MSU, Purdue, Nebraska) where he struggled against pressure and had inflated stats due to screen passes, etc.
  • A healthy Braxton Miller would have won the 2014 Heisman + Natty and cemented his place as the best QB in Ohio State history

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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krakatoa64's picture

Dwayne Haskins has more career passing yards and touchdowns in his career against Michigan than JT does. Let that sink in. JT had a lot of talent around him. Thats it

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BuckeyeRocket's picture

JT had rushing touchdowns against TTUN in 4 straight years.

Let that sink in.

BuckeyeRocket

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

I think if you have too many unpopular opinions about tOSU FB, then you are either a nimrod or a troll.

I think this thread sucks.

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bucknut1994's picture

Zach Smith was a great coach when he didn’t should up to work drunk or miss practice waiting for sex toys to get delivered to the WHAC

#94Ways

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Txsbuckeye's picture

ZS Waiting for the toys

 

Damn it feels good to be a Buckeye

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buckeye_in_WI's picture

Buck-I-Guy is a nice dude once you really get to know him /s

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MichiBuck12's picture

1. Urban Meyer is a coaching legend and was exactly what we needed at the time. But he got soft and it was time for him to go. I also think he will coach again, but he will never again be the coach that he was.

2. We do not win the 2014 national title if JT had stayed healthy and we win at least 2 more if he isn't the starter.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Only thing good about this thread is that I'm learning who around here I should ignore for being too stupid/

jebes Michigana

jebi rak

Ako ne možete postavljati bez gluposti ... nemojte

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ashtabulassassin's picture

Unlike the rest of us TNB is too smart to not think like the masses in all things lol

Buckshots... in case you have amnesia.

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Hovenaut's picture

You have stand close to light the fire, AA...some backlash was going to be here. 

No need for anyone to take it personal, it's just off season business. 

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Unlike some of you, I only speak on things I know.  i don't project.  i don't let emotions enter into my positions.  just facts and experience.

jebes Michigana

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gumtape's picture

Michigan actually has the better team and better program. The last seven years have just been a mirage.

High and tight boo boo

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

Solid burn.

Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!

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subUrbanBuck22's picture

I believe Terrell Pryor paid full price for every tattoo he has ever gotten in his entire life and he’s unselfish.

Go Bucks!

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infantrybuck's picture

Carved out a decent career in the league at different position also.  Gotta at least respect that

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LCT's picture

I haven't respected Brutus since the OU Bobcat beatdown.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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aledyard's picture

That was absolutely hilarious.  Kudos to you for bringing this up.

"In America, anyone can become president.  That's the problem."  George Carlin

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LCT's picture

It was a disgrace.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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gumtape's picture

Latest

Conspicuous

Truth

High and tight boo boo

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Jdadams01's picture

Just to clear Brutus' name, Rufus got destroyed on his first attempt. Brutus chucked him aside at mid-field. Second attempt was a blind side from behind. Pansy move.

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BuckWilde's picture

Did Rufus take a swing at Brutus' jewels before taking off (0:50)?

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Il_Padrino's picture

I laughed out loud.  SO ON POINT!!!  WTF Brutus???

Living the life!  Go Buckeyes!  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

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rkylet83's picture

I felt that Coach Meyer and Gene Smith’s suspensions were warranted, maybe even lenient.  The fact that Z Smith was allowed to keep his job after repeatedly showing poor behavior and performance shows a dangerous lack of judgement.  

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LCT's picture

I bet this one isn't all that unpopular.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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aledyard's picture

Here are my unpopular football opinions.  

1)  I think OSU did itself a disservice not interviewing other coaches before hiring Day.  OSU should be able to do better than a coach with 3 games of interim head coaching experience.  With that said, I think the Day hire will be viewed as a success because simply because of the huge talent gap between OSU and the opponents on its schedule this coming season and the B1G every season.

2)  I think it was a mistake to sign Fields.  Yes, he is a talented QB, but I think the message it sent to the QBs on the roster in particular and the rest of the players in general is that loyalty to the university is not reciprocated by the coaching staff.  

3)  I think there is enough talent in Ohio for Ohio State to have 60% of Ohio kids on the roster and compete for national championships every year.  I hope that Day focusses on recruiting more instate kids.

4)  I think Urban should have been fired before the beginning of last season.  

5)  I don't like alternate uniforms, particularly since it's just a ploy by Nike to sell more crap to fans.

6)  I root for other B1G teams, including Michigan, when they play out of conference/bowl games.

7)  I think calling Michigan TSUN and TTUN is silly.

8)  I think crossing out "M's" all over campus is equally silly.  

Downvote away....

"In America, anyone can become president.  That's the problem."  George Carlin

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MichiBuck12's picture

I actually think your opinions #7 and #8 are pretty popular ones. 

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KCAlum's picture

Agree, it was a Woodyism to say TSUN, which is quirky and great, but, that was Woody.  I don't go out in sub zero temps wearing a white short sleeved shirt, but that doesn't mean I don't respect Woody and think he was the greatest coach in program history, despite his flaws. 

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HARDDRIVE's picture

Oh boy, these are pretty legitimate. I don't necessarily agree with them, but they do raise some good points.

#3 is still a bit of a pipe dream to me, simply because recruiting is a lot of guessing and it's easier to see out of state recruits who are playing spring ball. Basically a larger sample size for them. It does make me sigh a little when you see an unrecruited ohio kid do big things at another big school though.

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Brohio's picture

I don't like alternate uniforms, particularly since it's just a ploy by Nike to sell more crap to fans.

i don’t know how many more times me, or the copious amount of others need to post, but for the love of God, this is wildly inaccurate. Ohio State and other programs request these changes/alternates. Not the other way around. It’s not in the contract, it isn’t forced upon anyone, and that’s that. Saying you just flat out don’t like alternate unis is an opinion and a fair one. But at least know how the process works before you blame the companies for it. A company that is paying poor old Ohio State nearly a quarter billion dollars for the privilege to do so. 

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Gratefulbuck's picture

Personally, I like the All Gray’s with the scarlet shoes best. 

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allinosu's picture

I'm OK with it but I think kids are smarter than to think it makes a difference which schools they pick. Just leave it out of the OSU and UM game because I like seeing those helmets on the field together.

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infantrybuck's picture

I like alternative uniforms because it seems to be good for recruiting. Not during the game though, and I wish the would stop that. This year was refreshing 

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ashtabulassassin's picture

Man enough to post some unpopular stuff... welcome to the team

Buckshots... in case you have amnesia.

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CptBuckeye24's picture

Urban does (did?) not know how to coach and manage a passing first QB. And that inability to fully unleash a passing first QB/pocket passer held this team back.

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Guts's picture

What's even more frustrating is that he didn't have to know how to... He had OC's that did know how to handle a pass first QB and would not give them the keys to the offense. It shouldn't matter which style of QB you have. You have a coaching staff for a reason. Let them coach.

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Gratefulbuck's picture

I wish more games were played on Friday night. 

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

More games... just not our games. 

Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!

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Gratefulbuck's picture

That’s just your opinion. I also wish they’d start at 6pm EST. Just to mess with the west coast fans. 

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Shit, a 3pm game on Friday would be fantastic. We just sit around "working from home" anyways and would be good to go by 11am anyways.

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Gratefulbuck's picture

You’d have to get the smoker going by 4am. But, you could have some wine and cheese plate on the ready, if folks get hungry. Maybe some avocado. Or, other gluten free stuff. Anything really, as long as it fits a Keto diet. 

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AzBuckeye45's picture

Friday nights are for High School ball where I'm at. I'd hate to have to deconflict the two, as I really enjoy watching the high school boys play. Great atmosphere. 

"Cause I couldn't go for three!"
Woody Hayes-1968

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Gratefulbuck's picture

It was tongue in cheek sarcasm. Don’t tell anybody 

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CptBuckeye24's picture

Tat Gate prevented OSU from sliding into the 8 to 10 win season status.

It also saved the Big Ten from becoming nationally irrelevant

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HARDDRIVE's picture

Loved Tress, but those teams needed a shot of life. I'm not sure they'd stoop to the 8-10 win seasons, but definitely don't think we would have won another national championship under Tress.

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infantrybuck's picture

I disagree whole heartedly with 8-10 win seasons. The BIG’s ascension towards better football didn’t fully occur until the 15/16 seasons.  Which was caused by a much higher emphasis on national recruiting, which was caused by Urban.  So if Urban never came, I’d say it would have been business as usual for Tress. Winning the BIG and getting creamed on the national stage.  Remember how bad the 2012 team was? They went undefeated because the BIG was absolutely dreadful

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Lifetime45's picture

1. Woody and Tressel were not the virtuous untouchable gods that most fans paint them to be.

2. Once in the NFL, I do not care one bit what Buckeyes do.

3. 2002 Championship > 2014 Championship

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Il_Padrino's picture

Agree completely with #1 and #2. 

Living the life!  Go Buckeyes!  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

CPO and CDR, USN (ret)

1942, 1954, 1957, 1961, 1968, 1970, 2002, 2014 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!

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LCT's picture

ESPN isn't out to "get" Ohio State. Our reputation wounds over the years have been mostly self-inflicted.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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aledyard's picture

Agreed, well said.

"In America, anyone can become president.  That's the problem."  George Carlin

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BuckeyeDropout's picture

I honestly get so sick of fans screaming, “ESPN bias!”. 

It makes us look like grown children throwing a tantrum because something didn’t go our way or someone doesn’t think the same way we do. 

What we have currently available is what we have available.

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Atl_Buckeye72's picture

Thank you!!! I felt like I was the lone ranger on this one. 

I will say this though...People down here REALLY don't like Ohio State!!!  Urban Meyer coming here didn't help in this regard. Still not sure why some Tennessee fan or UGA fan gives so much of a rats a$$ about how Meyer left Florida (and should have been happy he did rather than continue to beat them every year). The other reason is that people down here perceived us as having the benefit of being in a crappy conference. Which until the last few years has been difficult to defend (much the way we perceive Clemson today).

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HOLYbucknut's picture

I think that we’ve done more than enough to warrant some coverage but some of their BS is over the top, and a good portion of it is used to get clicks ($).

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Gratefulbuck's picture

I think the CFP committee has gotten it right every single year. 

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LCT's picture

Agreed. Assuredly, any year Ohio State wins the Big Ten and doesn't have a 30 point loss on the resume we're in.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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Gratefulbuck's picture

Well, an eight team playoff would fix that, but, that would suck, too. 

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ashtabulassassin's picture

Gutsy one to share... nice work

Buckshots... in case you have amnesia.

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Hondo's picture

I like this thread and the concept of this thread. Downvotes to anyone arguing unpopular takes.

The Browns are back in contention for being the worst franchise in all of professional sport.

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bigbadbuck's picture

I believe in love. I also believe the only reason Fields wasn't on the field at Georgia was coaches loyalty to Fromm. I too believe Urban should have been fired at the beginning of last season. I believe Jim Harbaugh is a better coach than anything Ohio State has ever had/s

Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, its a war room

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Buckeye_Condor's picture

as in ever ever? 

Connor Brown

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buckeye1211's picture

You no nothing about football or coaching......hairball is a terrible coach.

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OhioStGoon's picture

The thread said unpopular not insane. Harbaugh is 0'fer against his main rival, can't recruit, and at this point stealing money from the fan base and school. Harbaugh is a three time loser mean an idiotic incompetent thief.

GO BUCKS

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shiloh's picture

Four time loser. CWCID :-P

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain

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bigbadbuck's picture

S is for sarcasm. Do we understand what sarcasm is?

Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, its a war room

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HowSheGoneEat's picture

Hairbaugh, scUM, etc etc are all childish and awful. Some of you will say its not an unpopular opinion but 50% of the comments contain those stupid names so it has to be said.

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

I aired the majority of my unpopular opinions last August.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Clemson and Bama have been the two best teams in college football for the past three seasons.

Ezekiel Elliott is an amazing running back, but he's immature, and has done some really stupid, morally questionable things. Oh, and any college student, who's family picks up and moves 400 miles to be in the same city where you're going to school, has got issues.

Annie Apple should never have been considered an 'ambassador' for OSU football. She got way more press than she ever should ever have.

A certain portion of OSU fans (including some on this site) embarrass the hell out of me. Trashing college athletes for their performance on the field is a disgrace. 

I don't care for complete strangers who yell "O-H" at me or anyone else across a crowded airport, shopping mall, or any other venue that isn't an OSU sporting event.

Notre Dame is not the evil empire. They're consistently a Top 25-30 football team with a rich history and tradition that is part of the fabric of college football. Their fans are no more or less arrogant than a random collection of Ohio State fans. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Calgarybuck's picture

Annie Apple getting any attention was bound to come back to bite us, any non-talented individual who gets media attention will do anything possible to keep it.  

Her coming out for Urban after the ZS story was predictable as she was trying to capitalize on the situation by inserting herself and putting Ohio State in an impossible position.  Funny how Eli's life is going for him now that he's a time-zone away.

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buckeye1211's picture

ND a top 20 football program.....Ha Ha, you probably think tsun is a top 5 program.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Michigan is Top 20 as well.  Name 20 teams that are consistently better than both of them over the past 5 years.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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CincyBuck's picture

Clemson and Bama have been the two best teams in college football for the past three seasons.

I hope this isn't very unpopular.  Anybody who disagrees is bordering on delusional, IMO.  But hey, that's what next year is for.

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stxbuck's picture

Remember how USC/LSU/Florida were unstoppable juggernauts 11-12 years ago that tOSU would never be able to recruit/compete against in the future?

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CincyBuck's picture

I don't disagree with the apparent insinuation -- that things change.  But if we're talking about the last 3-5 seasons?  'Bama and Clemson are the two teams.  No doubt.

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stxbuck's picture

Yes, they are. Just like USC,LSU, and Florida were "the 3" programs in the mid-late 00s. A lot of folks on here can't handle consistency from tOSU-they want their football candy now and post like spoiled 6 years olds (even if they themselves are adults) when they don't get it quickly enough-and display immature jealousy towards whatever program is hot at the moment.

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Hovenaut's picture

I gave up an hour of sleep for this?

Hell no, offseason.

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

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BacknBlack's picture

1. The Bucks have always, and will continue to lose to a completely subpar B10 team, dashing their chances at a conference or national championship.

2. Stanley Jackson was the worst QB in school history.

3. Hang on Sloopy is only a good song when you are completely hammered.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

I know we’re not supposed to argue the points, but are you serious about your point #2 above?

Obviously, that point is easily refuted by Bauserman. But we could make a much longer list. In 1966, for example, the starting QB, William Long threw 6 TDs and 12 INTs, 55% completion rate, only 1180 yards passing on 192 attempts. He ran 96 times for 33 net yards. 

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Kasino Royale's picture

Stanley Jackson was on a freaking NFL All-Pro team while in Cbus and managed to win nada. It's like driving a Shelby and not being able to get over 45 mph......ever. There is no way in Hades he ever looked better than Germaine in practice. 

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stxbuck's picture

There was a rumor that the black players on the team basically threatened Coop w/ a lockerroom revolt if Jackson didn't at least split time w/ Germaine, and Coop caved.

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Brohio's picture

1. The Game should be a color vs color uniform matchup and it should join the 21st century and be played at prime time

2. When recruits back out of their commitments at the last minute and play games on social media to fake out coaches recruiting them, they are assholes. Don’t care how old they are. 

3. Urban lost his passion well before the ZS stuff. 

4. Caring if recruits are from Ohio or not is the biggest waste of time on this board. It’s the Ohio State version of the ridiculous “Michigan Man” nonsense that continues to set back the Wolverines to this day. Very happy our program lives in the reality of 2019 football. Wish the fan base could catch up. 

5. Please don’t ban me, but letting Birm walk was a mistake for 11W. Recruiting coverage has never been the same. No disrespect to his replacements, it’s not that they were bad. It’s just that he was and continues to be the best. 

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SCarolinaBuckeye's picture

1. Agreed on both accounts.

2. Agreed.  

3. Passion, maybe.  Health concerns could have affected how he showed his "passion".  Either way he was a different coach the last couple years.

4. Agreed.

5. Agreed.  Lind was good, but Birm had some many connections.  Losing both has left a giant void.

Beat Clemson

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stxbuck's picture

Unpopular opinions.........................let's see.......

Coach Studrawa has probably forgotten more about football and OL coaching than 99.9% of the 11W commentariat has ever known....

Coach Day, Coach Johnson, and Coach Wilson know more about recruiting than 24/7 starhanderouters...........

Too many of today's media pundits substitute "swag' and a big mouth on twitter for both class and actual football knowledge. The incessant article writing/hyping of Annie Apple and Zone 6 by this site as case in point.

50% of every recruiting class is not going to make a major impact on the field-and that's a good class. This reality is unpopular for many on here.

This year's 4 and 5 star freshmen are not automatically better/more ready to contribute than last year's 4 and 5 star recruits who now have a year in the program under their belts.

A lack of knowledge about something-and posting about it in spite of said lack, does not constitute an "unpopular opinion", it constitutes a person opening their trap w/out facts....................

Gus Malzahn is actually a pretty good coach

Most SEC recruits would not sign w/ tOSU irregardless of nefarious bagmen...........

Having Ohio kids on the roster is important

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linepilot15's picture

Which one of your opinions is unpopular?

linepilot

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stxbuck's picture

Read some of the recruiting threads, lol..................................

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stxbuck's picture

It's a word, just not officially approved by style manuals. Kinda like ebonics phrases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irregardless?scrlybrkr

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

It's like saying without disregard, regardless of if it's a word or not ;)

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CincyBuck's picture

Most SEC recruits would not sign w/ tOSU irregardless of nefarious bagmen...........

^ This.  A much needed truth bomb to some on this board.  To be clear, I'm 99% certain bagmen still exist.  But there are several schools in the South that have a lot to offer recruits -- athletically, academically, etc.  And very few -- if any -- people want to signup for a Columbus winter.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

It's a word; but it's being used incorrectly.  Irregardless is a double negative ("ir-" meaning "not" and "-less" meaning "without").  So, it basically mean regarding or with regard to.

So he's basically saying that southern recruits would chose the SEC over OSU with regard to bagmen.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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OSU56's picture

John Cooper record against the skunk weasels-

Enjoying daily the back to back ttun beatdowns.

 

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ISURVIVEDCOOPER's picture

I'm not sure what you are claiming here... That no one likes his record or him or that you liked his record. Granted Tressel would not have been thing at tOSU if not for Cooper's impotence against Michigan.

"I don't apologize for anything.  When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes

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elitesmithie's picture

1. OSU benefits from Ohios pro teams being generally terrible

2. Tress blew it.

3. TP should be brought back on campus more

4. Chasing Alabama is fruitless because our Athletic Departments are two completely different types of programs and have different goals.

5. There is zero excuse for Purdue last year. Its not a trap game when everyone calls it that ahead of time. 

6. Schiano didn't implement the most ideal college defense. He was prepping for an NFL job and was trying to run a more complex defensive scheme.  

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HARDDRIVE's picture

I couldn't agree with #6 more. I'm dead convinced that Lattimore, Conley and Hooker in the secondary pretty much negated any passing attacks with their NFL level talent and Raekwon almost single handedly stopped the run, allowing Jerome Baker to freelance and make plays.

That defense was POROUS after Raekwon left.

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The Rill Dill's picture

I think Raekwon is extremely overrated by most on here.

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HARDDRIVE's picture

I've noticed that and I find it really interesting. He played his assignment correctly, never missed tackles, and got guys lined up correctly. He definitely wasn't flashy and I think people miss that kind of player for the splash plays that Darron Lee and Jerome Baker made beside him.

Especially in that defense he was in under Fickell, he was like that really good cornerback that you don't hear about because they don't throw his way or that offensive lineman that never gets the credit he deserves but quietly dominates the guy across from him.

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stxbuck's picture

This is a spot on analysis. 2016 might have been the best secondary in CFB history.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Unless my daughter is playing in a game - sorry! - I can’t force myself to take much interest in women’s sports. 

Along those lines, the financial system that supports NCAA sports (media entertainment product that must compete in the competitive marketplace) is incompatible with its ideological agenda (e.g., Title IX), which creates all sorts of peversities and causes more harm than good. 

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Too many people think they know how good a player is based on their play against Rutgers, but have never seen that player practice.  

Less than 10% of the members of 11W even understand what is needed for a player to perform at this level.

Less than 10% of those 10% would even be able to recognize those abilities.

Coaching an NCAA football team isn't like coaching your team on NCAA 2014 on Playstation.

A majority of the opinions I've read here this morning are astoundingly stupid.

jebes Michigana

jebi rak

Ako ne možete postavljati bez gluposti ... nemojte

Ako vièeš na suce, ti si šupak
 

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LCT's picture

It's funny. After the Indiana game I made a thread about our linebackers not playing up to Ohio State standards. It got -10d swiftly with the usual "you don't know shit, you're not at practice, you're a spoiled fan" rot. Then Purdue happened and all of a sudden everyone knew 2018 linebacker play was a disaster.

Did everyone wise up all at once or is it only acceptable to see obvious flaws once a loss has taken place?

Or....did we actually have good linebacker play last year and only 1% of fans know it?

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

No, I think that’s what the more astute, savvier fans are good at = “big picture” assessments of what they are seeing on the field. E.g., “the LBs are playing like s—-! Consistently out of position, misreading plays, filling the wrong gaps, failing to shed blocks, etc.”

Where the savvy fans go wrong is when they move beyond what they can see and what they can know. E.g. “they should bench LB Smith and play LB Jones. Why aren’t they blitzing the MLB?” Or, “the coaches should offer high school recruits X and Y instead of A and B.”

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Calgarybuck's picture

It was clear to any fan that Wint was over his head at safety, he was an undersized HS LB and could never track the ball but they kept putting him out there over and over again. 

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

It was clear to the coaches that no one could beat him out.  Or do you think they intentionally exposed the backside of their defense with a less talented safety?

jebes Michigana

jebi rak

Ako ne možete postavljati bez gluposti ... nemojte

Ako vièeš na suce, ti si šupak
 

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Calgarybuck's picture

Like many other times during Urban's tenure it took Wint getting hurt for White to come in and save the day.

Was White better than Wint at practice over White? we both don't know the answer there, but White's 300 snaps vs Wint's 50 there's alot of proof in the pudding bucko.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

See, this is exactly what I'm talking about.  You think that because on 11/10th White was able to come in and perform that therefore on 9/25th he was also able to do so.  You're right, neither of us were at practice to see if Wint was better than white.  But, if you were paying attention, Urban and Schiano were both quoted as saying that early in the year, White was not doing the things in practice AND ELSEWHERE that warranted him moving up the depth chart.  heck, even White made a reference to that.  

But you're more than willing to jump to the conclusion that somehow Wint should've never even donned the scarlet and gray.

jebes Michigana

jebi rak

Ako ne možete postavljati bez gluposti ... nemojte

Ako vièeš na suce, ti si šupak
 

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Calgarybuck's picture

Ok so Urban and Schiano were never wrong?

How many Day 1/2 picks had practice squad guys start ahead of them during their time at Ohio State under Urban

Urban never started the younger player, the White line you're referencing was exactly the same line Vonn Bell had to say when he took over vs Clemson, a younger player is going to speak out and say "it's about time".  You cannot say with 100% certainty the best players always saw the field.  If you think White suddenly became a relevant safety in 6 weeks time you must not have noticed how bad Wint was when compared to White, it's night and day.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Red herring.  We're not talking about whether Urban or Schiano (since Urban didn't make personnel decisions anyway; he always let the position coach do that) were perfect.  We're talking about a SPECIFIC instance.  you're projecting your bias based on your knowledge (which is non existant) of the situation.

Urban never started the younger player, 

Neither did Tressel, Cooper, or Bruce.  The only time I remember Woody doing it, it didn't work out well as it was my first ever game as a season ticket holder and I sat and watched Art throw 5 picks against PSU.  1968, the super sophs practiced for a whole year against the varsity as frosh because they weren't eligible.  They routinely kicked the varsity's asses in practice and got a full year under their belt before they were thrust into the limelight.

jebes Michigana

jebi rak

Ako ne možete postavljati bez gluposti ... nemojte

Ako vièeš na suce, ti si šupak
 

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Calgarybuck's picture

Tressel started Clarett from like week 2 , as with TP after the USC debacle; you should know this as it's your namesake.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

So, are you emplying that White is a Clarett or a Pryor?  Because otherwise, it doesn't apply.  Those two are once a generation level player.  Hell, Chris Speilman, my alltime favorite player didn't start.  he had to wait his turn.  Its the coach's perogative to decide when that is.  And in every case at tOSU, players need to earn their way up the depth chart.  Which by the way Clarett did.  There was no guarantee until the week of the Texas Tech game that Clarett was going to start.  He had to earn that.  But again, he was a once in a generation player.  

jebes Michigana

jebi rak

Ako ne možete postavljati bez gluposti ... nemojte

Ako vièeš na suce, ti si šupak
 

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USMC11917's picture

Haha try this on for size...

I called for Braxton to be benched so he could heal in 2014. I thought it may or may not be a step back for the year but would be important for gaining experience for the next wave of Quarterbacks. Put my opinion on the forums and got tore apart. Everyone laughed at how “stupid” I was. Seemed it turned out alright now, didn’t it?

Braxton injured himself again, in practice. The stage was set for growth for JT Barrett. I didn’t foresee Cardale getting the reps he did but am thankful for him. National Championship. Only had one 11w member publicly eat crow on that one.

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stxbuck's picture

We had lousy LB play-but a lot of dumbazzes on here thought it was just b/c coach Davis didn't posses their x-box skills, as opposed to realizing that Borland wasn't fully recovered from a serious injury and Dick Butkus himself wasn't going to turn Werner into an insta-stud.............

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Gratefulbuck's picture

What about Friday night games? 

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IHadToGoogleArchiesMiddleName's picture

Coaching an NCAA football team isn't like coaching your team on NCAA 2014 on Playstation

@ my husband

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OSUnathen's picture

I think that the truly intelligent football minds on 11W do not comment nearly enough because of all the ignorant fans. 

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Buckaroo Banzai's picture

Dabo Swinney should change his last name to Dooya and name his son Lil Dabo.

Jim Harbaugh is a genius who is secretly putting together a college football dynasty unlike any before seen. He will absolutely dominate college football for the next twenty years. We will all be assimilated and this is the end of the world as we know it.

People on ludes should not drive. They can stick to operating oil tankers, river barges and tug boats.

There's no business like show business and nobody knows the trouble I've seen.

4 out of 5 dentists are ripped to the bejeezus on N2O all day long.

I'll see myself out.

Bobbing for french fries.

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kmp10's picture

Urban Meyer's bromance with JT Barrett cost Ohio State at least one title. Barrett's skills were best suited for an option team in 1977.

Urban Meyer's asinine handling of Zach Smith - from hiring Smith to begin with to allowing Smith's drunken bitch of a wife to take down the program - was a clown show. That he unfathomably put Smith above the program is just one more reason why Meyer is FAR below Woody Hayes in the pantheon of Ohio State football coaches.

Urban Meyer is phony. He's one of college football's most disliked coaches because he's one of college football's most insincere coaches. Wherever he goes, he seems to have one foot out the door from the day he arrives, and Ohio State was no exception. His last THREE "retirements," from Florida twice and then from OSU, were pathetic looks. He'll coach again, and he'll do it relatively soon, which will only serve to fortify the opinion that he's disingenuous. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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LCT's picture

Blazin'. Respect.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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gobucks2110's picture

Not sure if I can completely get on board with point 3 but point 2 is absolutely spot on. I didn't want it to happen back in August but in hindsight I'm surprised he wasn't fired

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allinosu's picture

I think in most cases (not all) using play calling as an excuse for a poor offensive performance is ignorant at best.

I think Zeke mouthing off about not getting the ball should have cost him a game like anyone else.

After things are all said and done, I think Urban is the kind of coach who gets bored in one place after a while.

I think coaches like Beck and Warriner had there hands tied by a QB who had a bad flaw as well as strengths.

I think people forget that there was many wanting to get rid of Herman for quite a while before he turned into a god.

I think we have more questions than answers with this years team with a new head coach, some position coaches, back seven on defense, QBs, and O-line.

I think we will have the same LBs starting as last year with a better result because of scheme and coaching.

I will miss Shelly as much as Urban.

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Buckeye06's picture

Cardale Jones was so overrated it’s hard to even think about.  Guy was bailed out by his WRs and Zeke through the 3 game run.  He could barely complete 50% of his passes against Hawaii in 2015.

His one TD against Bama was under thrown badly and the Bama DB literally fell down.  He tried his best to give away the Oregon game but Zeke wouldn’t let him.  Barrett would have beaten Bama by 20 and Haskins would have diced them up and scored 60

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infantrybuck's picture

You second paragraph is so wrong on so many levels. The reason Zeke had so many yards is because Cardale’s ability to sling it vertically made their D’s never bring the a S to the line of scrimmage and also force them to drop an LB in coverage and/or play nickel most of the game. 

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Buckeye06's picture

Well Zeke was running wild on teams well before and well after Cardale was not under center.

Had 154 @MSU, which was the best team we played before Bama that season, rolled it up against Michigan and ND in 2015 with Barrett behind center.  

85 of Zeke's yards against Bama came on one play when every fan in the country knew OSU was running the ball with him.

Tell me when Cardale slung it vertically. He had 2 TDs combined passing against Oregon and Bama.  He underthrew 2 TD passes against Wisconsin that he was bailed out on, and had another great TD pass.  

Go back and watch him in those 3 games, and he was not close to as good as people like to recall.  

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FeedZeke420's picture

1. If we don't win a national championship this year or next I will be disappointed in Ryan Day

2. Not at least considering Luke Fickell for head coach pissed me off

3. please stop saying somebody is (enter name 2.0) its a lazy and unrealistic analysis

4. Id rather eat broken glass than see/hear somebody say "that's not a good look/ that's a bad look".

5. Meatchicken, hairball, etc. don't even make since stop saying them.  TTUN is fine I use it myself.

6. ESPN and Fox are the equivalent of CNN/Fox News, they pander to a specific audience for ratings and attack the other side for ratings/clicks. Neither really gives a shit about what team finishes where its all about $$$.

7. Ryan Day not being from Ohio has hampered my excitement about him.

Go Bucks!

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LCT's picture

I too have sky-high expectations for Day. He's been handed the keys to a Ferrari and Fields was a gift.

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58Buckeye's picture

5. Meatchicken, hairball, etc. don't even make since stop saying them.  TTUN is fine I use it myself.How ironic

How ironic. 

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FeedZeke420's picture

 I didn't proof read a post on the internet, whoops..

Go Bucks!

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kmp10's picture

*Proofread* : )

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USMC11917's picture

My confession is that I hate when people use the word “since” in place of “sense”. I understand typos happen, better than most. My wife does this all the time and refuses to correct it. This makes me sensitive to this particular mistake.

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kmp10's picture

I think you mean 'sinceitive,' don't you?

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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USMC11917's picture

Yus, I C what you did their. It makes so much since!

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FeedZeke420's picture

down vote, I must have offended someone that says baker Mayfield 2.0 and skunk weasels. 

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mmp15f's picture

Regarding your #2, I'm sure he was considered at least a little and it just wasn't made public. I think they wanted the transition to be as smooth as possible and wanted to take the gamble with Day, which I'm fine with. Remember, if we're ever in a position where we needed a new coach (if Day were to fail to meet expectations, take an NFL offer, etc.), Fickell would accept the offer at any time. I'm sure they considered that, and thought it was worth banking on Day being the next star who would stay for 10+ years. Day would've probably taken a head coaching job elsewhere this off-season had we not offered him, so this may have been the only chance we got.

I think that if Meyer stayed for one more year and Fickell had another 10+ win season, he should've been heavily considered. I'm just not sure if the timing was right. Day is a gamble for obvious reasons, but I think Fickell needs to show the ability to continue winning for at least another year.

Either way, I get where you're coming from. In a hypothetical situation where we hired Fickell and Day took another HC job, I could've seen Fickell bringing Freeman to run the defense with him while getting Wilson to stay at OSU as OC and letting him take full control of the offense. Seems like something that would've worked

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BuckeyeIn NY's picture

All major college football programs have a level of corruptness, not just teams in the SEC.  This includes the team we root for.  

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Hovenaut's picture

I needed a drink, of coffee.

Ok...

Glad a new coaching staff is in place, UFM had a great run but things change.

Glad a new QB is in (will be) in place, Haskins was great but things change.

PL threads are polite and such, but it's the same two or three jokes over and over. Does it relate to OSU football? No, but I'm putting that down here.

11W football threads are nirvana, because I love watching people freak the fuck out and then seeing Ohio State find their way to victory (most of the time).

I'm over (and was never too upset over either as Ohio State deserved what they got) the ugly losses to Iowa and Purdue the last couple of seasons...what's done is done.

I feel better now, thanks.

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

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Hovenaut's picture

But all original.

I also agree with Kyle Sullivan and Jack Tatum to take out Thanos, those would be great choices.

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

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stxbuck's picture

CGI comic book geek uber-villian-the only thing that can stop his power is the necessity for more sequels for bad movies.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

This can be viewed as an opinion but by gut is telling me Urban takes the USC job next year and takes Marotti, Pantoni, and Volotini with him. Losing Marotti will SUCK. In addition, Meyer will suddenly make recruiting the West Coast difficult, which is where Ryan Day is focusing on right now.

I hope I am wrong though.

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LCT's picture

The cult of Marotti is overdone. Ohio State's been manhandled too many times in recent years to buy into that we're light years ahead of where we were circa 2011.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

I will hold onto the belief that the Clemson, Iowa, and Purdue losses were more psychological than anything else. Guys can build their muscles and run a 4.3 but if they dont have their minds right all that work is for nothing. At least in the Purdue and Iowa losses our players minds were NOT on the field. I will also chalk the Clemson loss up to us giving up after the missed FGs and the fact JT couldnt complete a pass to save his life.

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KCAlum's picture

Not arguing your point, but JTB's performance against Iowa and Clemson was a major factor in both of those losses.  Hell, his performance against UM in the 2016 game was putrid, it just carried over to the Clemson game as well. 

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I hope I am wrong though.

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ashtabulassassin's picture

On this same note, I kind of would really like to see meyer smoke OSU from USC just so the administration that wronged him gets that sinking feeling. 

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

asinine take.

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ashtabulassassin's picture

Great contribution... it's actually a thread for unpopular takes.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

So own it then.  Don't get butt hurt because someone else agrees with you that its unpopular.   and IMHO asinine.

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ashtabulassassin's picture

ha... says the fool who is on here arguing with everyone's unpopular opinions

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

So now you're going to call me a name because you have nothing intelligent to say?

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linepilot15's picture

My Unpopular opinions...

I like John Cooper! He took over when the program was at its lowest point in my life and turned it around to be relevant again. He had a lousy record against our biggest rival, and I totally get why they let him go, but otherwise did a remarkable job recruiting against some tough odds.

I think Herbie is a fair commentator and a true Buckeye. He made one statement years ago that I wished he wouldn't have but for the most part, is just trying to do a good job and not be a homer.

I don't believe that there is such a thing as a meaningless bowl game. I don't care if they are a 6 and 6 team any game that OSU plays has meaning.

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ashtabulassassin's picture

Legit contribution, thanks for sharing

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Archie's Bunker's picture

Here are mine...

1. Players would rather not be paid and be able to play college football video games with their likeness (as opposed to not having the games at all)

2. National brands, like Ohio State, have to recruit nationally. As much as I want Ohio kids, I want to see us get the best talent available even more. Hopefully, enough of them will be from Ohio.

3. Since we're talking college sports, I'd like to see players from each team take a test, publicly one hour before gametime, that is roughly the same difficultly as a high school GED. You must get 7 out of 10 questions correct to pass. Pass and you're eligible for the game that day. Fail and you don't play. That would add a bunch of excitement!

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TheBadOwl's picture

1. Players would rather not be paid and be able to play college football video games with their likeness (as opposed to not having the games at all)

My hot take: both of these things (compensating athletes; having a video game) aren't mutually exclusive and should both, in fact, be done. 

Whether it's the Olympic model (endorsements, etc), a stipend or both, athletes should get additional compensation on top of the value of their scholarship/food/training/housing.

Another hot take: The "they're not playing for free, they get an education and room/board!" argument is some seriously flawed bullshit that willfully ignores a few additional factors. What the average student pays for tuition and housing isn't what it actually costs the university to enroll/house them – it's far less – and even if it was, at schools like OSU the average football player is providing far more value to the university than what the university is giving them. 

Yes, they're getting coaching/training/networking opportunities, but they're still under-compensated and they're putting themselves at risk for serious injuries and CTE as well. Other students don't do that. Give them additional compensation and call it hazard pay. 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

I actually like the High Noon kickoff time for The Game. Of course, I don't live on the Left Coast like KB and SL.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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Gratefulbuck's picture

Would you be ok with Friday night games starting at 4pm?

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

LOL. Not even the high schools start their games that early on Fridays. The parents and camp followers would scream bloody murder.

Mornin' GB.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

The Cleveland Senate League would like a word.

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And thankfully not every league has the same problems the Senate has!

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

Either they're trying to save money on electricity, T-NB, or it's a safety issue.

Out here in the Southwest, Friday Night Lights is the state religion- sacrosanct and inviolable. In most small towns out here, the majority of the populace turns out for local games. And most working folks don't even get away from their jobs before 4 pm.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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Buckeye_Condor's picture

not to mention its hotter than blue blazes still at 4PM

Connor Brown

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Its clearly a safety issue.  They're not the only urban high school league to do this.  Its not that uncommon.

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stxbuck's picture

Dayton and Columbus Public too, I believe................Curtis Samuel had some hellacious HS highlights w/ the sun high in the sky as well.

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Gratefulbuck's picture

That’s why 4pm is perfect. Maybe 3pm. Still gives time to catch the hs night game. 

Back at ya, Harley

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osuflacco's picture

1. Players should be paid a share of the revenue they generate instead of it going to subsidize schollies for sports no one cares about.  Any sport that does not sustain itself financially should not have scholarship athletes (Title 9 is the problem obviously).  

2. I think we would have won more titles (2015, 2017 and possibly 2018) if we did not win 2014....think Urban got soft after winning that year bc that was his primary goal when coming to OSU.  

3. Due to the greed of NCUA and sky rocketing coaches salaries we will see in the next five years a team protest by sitting out a game causing significant changes to CFB as we know it today. 

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hetuck's picture

OSU home uniforms should look like those portrayed in the stained glass in the rotunda for every game. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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lamplighter's picture

Unpopular opinions?  I have a few.

I'm not sold on Ryan Day.  He needs to prove me wrong.

I'm not sold on Fields.  I hope he proves me wrong

I loved Tress more than Urban and I really, really liked Urban. I wish he was still the coach

I have never seen an OSU practice and I have no idea who should start

Coaches play the the people who show it in practice.  Generally coaches don't get stupid overnight.

OSU should have been in the 2015 playoff but not in 2016

This is a forum post from a site member. It does not represent the views of Lamplighter LLC unless otherwise noted.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

My unpopular opinion has more to do with 11w than OSU football. I hate when 11w fades out comments that have been downvoted into oblivion. If someone says something dumb, keep that shit bold so we can all ridicule them beyond the downvoted and don’t just skim over it since it’s annoying to read with my old man vision 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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AzBuckeye45's picture

I wish we could see who actually does the down voting. Nothing wrong with a DV once in a while but, have the testicles to say you done it. 

"Cause I couldn't go for three!"
Woody Hayes-1968

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Put your name on it!

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

LOL people would get banned over one comment that got -1000 or whatever the threshold is for negative helmet stickers

Class of 2010.

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Byaaaahhh's picture

JT should have started all of 2015 if the coaches weren't going to drastically change the offense. Although it's not like Cardale didn't know the offense, it wasn't suited for him. If you're not going to change it, the choice is pretty simple.

I cannot believe our OL is not better at generating room for the run game. Aren't we supposed to have a strength and conditioning wizard-assassin on staff? The passing game helped to cover the running game's serious deficiencies. Hoping this doesn't get exposed this year. 

Urban giving his coaches 2 years is fine with me. If they're expected to give him 2 years, it's fair to receive the same. Don't know if Urban would have let Bill Davis go after 2018. 

I think Urban "losing his edge" is directly related to how well OSU sets up its players for the future outside of football and they do it better than Clemson and Alabama. No comment on whether it's a good thing or a bad thing. Sorry, this isn't as hot a take as it could be.

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jthailey47's picture

Beat me by just a few mins on your first point! 

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RodVedder4's picture
  1. Cardale Jones needed Devin Smith a lot more than Devin Smith needed Cardale Jones. See the 2015 season.
  2. I don't understand the hate for Alabama - until they've won the most recent meeting, I have no beef.
  3. I also don't understand Ohio State football fans that hate Duke basketball - both programs elicit very strong feelings one way or the other from outsiders, and both are at or near the top just about every year.
  4. The last two seasons have been incredibly successful and fun.
  5. College football is supposed to be fun. If you are making yourself physically ill over games every week and can't enjoy the season, you need to walk away. It makes it a lot less enjoyable for those around you.
  6. Don't sit there in the winter saying how excited you are for the season and then complain about the quality of the match-ups every week once the season. The schedule is the schedule - of course we'd love to play top 10 teams every week, but that's not the way it works. 
  7. Alternate uniforms are awesome. It may be a ploy for Nike to sell more merch, but I'll be damned if they don't get me every time!

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Evannati's picture

You kind of had me there for a while, till you liked Bama.  

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RodVedder4's picture

Didn't say I liked them - I said I don't understand the seething hatred and I currently have no beef with them. Big difference.

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jthailey47's picture

JT should have been the starter over Cardale to start 2015. 

Will always love Cardale for that story book run in 2014 and I'm glad he essentially ended up getting drafted because of it. But it was clear very early on that the offense was not flowing. The box scores might say tell a different story but it just seemed off at the time. It was pretty clear early on that a bulk of Cardale's success can be directly credited to the genius of Tom Herman (regardless of what we may think of him now). Start JT from the beginning and I think the offense gets clicking much sooner. Does it change the fact that Beck was in charge of the QBs? No. But I think at minimum 2015 ends with a playoff appearance. From there I like our chances based on how stacked that team was. 

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

Ryan Day will have OSU play for and win more national championships in his first 7 years than Urban Meyer did.

The fans at OSU games get progressively worse each year.  It's now an event for non or semi-fans, and the stadium atmosphere is getting worse.

The Quick Cals ritual is stupid and needs to go...the student section should not participate.

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Sonof'47alum's picture

I think too many fans here are overly critical.  It makes me wonder how many ever played competitive sports at a high level.  

Obviously, as passionate fans we are all irrational and biased on some level.  But I still don’t think that justifies some of the over-the-top remarks I see on 11W.  

Related to that, I think anyone who has ever booed the Buckeyes in the Shoe is not a true fan. I don’t understand how you can ever boo your team unless you have absolute proof they are not trying their best on the field—and how would you have proof of that?

Finally, with the research in recent years re CTE, I sometimes wonder if I am doing the right thing in continuing to be a football fan.  I do pay close attention to the adjustments teams are making in trying to address this issue—e.g., no contact in Ivy League practices—and am concerned about whether the sport will ultimately be deemed sufficiently safe.

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Il_Padrino's picture

Woody Hayes - average... well actually below average... at Bowl Games... not as bad as Cooper but Cooper is not considered a "legend" either.  Out of 13 Bowl game appearances Hayes went 6 wins and 7 losses + punched a kid on the opposing team:

Living the life!  Go Buckeyes!  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

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bedheadjc's picture

punched a kid on the opposing team:

C'mon, that's a win right there

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Cooper's picture

Obviously we don’t have a large sample size of him, but I think Ryan Day being less of a diva than Urban is going to have more long term benefits for Ohio State.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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LCT's picture

Yep. It's about football again.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
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USMC11917's picture

I believe Chase Young is overrated. Still pulling for him to have a monster year. Facts may prove me wrong too. Just seems like he is neutralized too often or takes plays off. That’s the only unpopular opinion I can think of.

Maybe also, the whole Zach Smith incident was overblown. He should have been fired for his poor performance more so than DV related details. Obviously, the performance includes known facts about strip club visits and no shows. The DV stuff was a lot of he said-she said. The investigating law enforcement agencies did not pursue warrants and in today’s age of err on the side of caution/defend female victims, that’s unheard of. The evidence did not demand the warrant for violence. Trespass is a separate issue.

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stxbuck's picture

Last year Chase Young had arguably the best season of any DE in the history of the program not named Bosa.................just sayin..............

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USMC11917's picture

I believe you. I just remember when plays needed to happen, I don’t recall him being the source of success aside from the late sack to seal one game. Can’t recall which one. May have been PSU.??

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stxbuck's picture

Yes, he was dominant in the PSU game, ate McSorley's lunch on the final read option.

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Eph97's picture

Firmly believe Urban's stubborn marriage to JT cost them the '17 season. He simply wasn't the same runner after he came back from his injury and elite teams like Clemson in the '16 playoffs proved it.

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UrbzRenewal's picture
  1. The best OSU quarterback of all-time is Dwayne Haskins and TP is #2. 
  2. The difference in wide receiver play between 2017 and 2018 should not be attributed to Brian Hartline. The quarterback change was 80% of the difference. 
  3. Zone 6 should be abolished as a nickname. 
  4. Comparisons to Percy Harvin or Devin Smith are annoying. 
  5. All of the negative recruiting around Jackson Carman turned out to be completely true. 
  6. Ohio State should've kept after Micah Parsons despite their own fuckup. 
  7. Ryan Day should've been a candidate in a national coaching search. 
  8. Popular opinion: Quick Cals is stupid; Unpopular Opinion: The Hive should never come back.
  9. Popular opinion: Urban was too invested in loyalty and not ruthless enough at OSU. 
  10. The football stadium is a pretty poor gameday atmosphere from an energy perspective and is not intimidating.
  11. The basketball student section is an embarrassment. 
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IH8UOFM's picture

#1...absolutely. Also had TP pegged at 1 until 2018 happened.

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Strong list

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Guts's picture

The football stadium is a pretty poor gameday atmosphere from an energy perspective and is not intimidating.

This is so sad, but I'm inclined to agree... Tailgates are mostly old dudes standing around talking about irrelevant stuff, and the stadium feels like a picnic at the park unless something game changing happens. Fans NEED to have more energy prior to and during games. It's not a movie theater. Jump around and make some damn NOISE.

I've never been to a night game, but I've been to plenty of noon/afternoon games and they've all felt the same. Even if night games were different, that's only a couple games of the regular season. For how beloved this team is and how huge the fanbase is, our gameday atmosphere should be electric. You should feel it in the air when you get there.

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saintstephen11's picture

I've been to several games at the Shoe and have never experienced anything remotely like the whiteout game at PSU last year.  I can't imagine any atmosphere topping that.

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Guts's picture

I went to the Nebraska game this year and I was embarrassed at how quiet the stadium was. I'm pretty sure you could hear the Nebraska fans across the stadium and they cheered the entire time. Meanwhile all the OSU fans just sat in their seats and watched the game with the same demeanor you would watch a golf tournament with.

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Dstacify's picture

I love Urban Meyer and what he did for this program but him hiring ZS at all to begin with and refusing to disclose his prior legal issues to Gene BEFORE hiring him was akin to playing with fire, especially considering the program was coming off of Tattoogate at the time and the NCAA was practically looking for a valid reason to give us the death penalty. Had ZS gotten nailed earlier on in his career at OSU and UFM mishandled it 1-2 years into his OSU tenure OSU very well might have been sanctioned yet again by the NCAA. So, much respect to Urban Meyer for his record but screw him for thinking bringing Zach Smith here was a good idea.

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Atl_Buckeye72's picture

- Urban Meyers offense is an antiquated, predictable, gimmick system that the rest of the country caught up to 5 years ago (not including 2018)

- I believe that our recruiting is going to take a step back under Day unless he has some very fast success on field

- Filling the roster with 3 star kids from Ohio will make for a short stint at OSU for Day. 

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Alabama ran the I formation power running game until Tua took over.  Then, they basically ran a version of Urban's Power RPO offense.  They had no problem in either case.  And trust me, the Power I is older than Urban's RPO.

You have no basis for point two other than vision through your troll glasses.

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it's a thread for unpopular opinions... so I don't think he's trolling

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If he's being negative using untrue facts, that's the definition of trolling.

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Atl_Buckeye72's picture

My point about Urban's offense, or at least how he ran them got to the point of flatness and absolute predictability. You are correct Bama hasn't run a wiz bang flash in the pan style of offense. He has run a close to the vest traditional style offense with a power running game that opens to the door to down field passing (no, Jalen Hurts didn't light up the score board with deep passing), but then again Saban isn't a Offensive minded coach. Until, 2018 we have not been able to throw the ball down the field consistently and I feel that if Urban had his way he would keep all passes inside of 10 yards and rather run another jet sweep or QB keeper around the outside. 

My second point. Urban Meyer was/is one of if not the best recruiter on the planet. So, to believe that Day will slide a touch in this area isn't a far fetched. I feel that in order to stay on top of the recruiting game Day will need to have success this year to show that he isn't just another flash in the pan coach.

I don't think that I am the only person around here that believes that a change offensive philosophy is a welcomed change. But just like every other post on this thread...These are just OPINIONS.

One other addition to my list...posters that use the term troll whenever they don't agree with someone.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

You just destroyed your own argument but doubled down just the same?   LOL.  Ok.  If you make a negative statement, and can't back it up with anything close to a fact other than your personal opinion, that's the definition of a troll. 

 feel that if Urban had his way he would keep all passes inside of 10 yards and rather run another jet sweep or QB keeper around the outside. 

This is a ridiculous statement.  First, we know its not true because he used to say that he wanted his offense to include going vertical to exploit the defense compensating to try and stop the power run.  Its also ridiculous because every football coach on the planet would rather hand the ball off 100 times in 100 if he was guaranteed to get 5 yards minimum every time.  The strategic advantages are just to numerous to mention.  So to use that as another critique is trolling as well.

Its not that I don't agree with you about the offense.  I don't care about that.  I welcome the change of offenses myself.  That's not the point.  The problem wasn't the offense or UFM's playcalling.  They went 12-1; started no. 5 in the country and finished better than that.  That's a good year.  I just hate arguments that pretend to be based on facts, but aren't   Its a sickness that permeates not just 11W but our entire society, and I hate it.

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Atl_Buckeye72's picture

Damn dude....I guess all the kids in your neighborhood know to stay off of your lawn. All my point is is that urban's offense was painfully predictable and seemly lacked any creativity in play calling. Everybody in the building knew what was coming in critical situations. Yes, there are exceptions but by and large we became very one dimensional until this year. All this is my OPINION. I never once pretended that everything that I laid out was a stone cold fact. 

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saintstephen11's picture

untrue facts = anyone who does not agree with your opinion. smfh. get over yourself.

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Atl_Buckeye72's picture

Yeah...your right I'm a troll for for participating in a thread asking to provide my "unpopular opinions"

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mmp15f's picture

It's funny because there's truth to your point and nothing to his argument. He said Bama ran a Power-I until Tua took over, which couldn't be more false, and accused you of stating things that aren't true. I think the way you made your point was a little blunt, but still relatively accurate.

Urban was one of the first to heavily employ the spread option offense, and it took defensive coaches and players a while to figure out how to defend it. It also helped that, for the longest time, most teams were using few (if any) spread concepts; defenses weren't used to defending that type of offense on a regular basis. 

2015 and 2016 showed that a lot of the concepts Meyer had used for years weren't as effective. DCs had been scheming for years against spread/spread option offenses for years now and players were defending zone reads, RPOs, etc. on a regular basis. Guys like Lincoln Riley, Dabo Swinney, and some others were adjusting as time went on by adding new concepts to their offenses so that they could gain advantages on defenses again. Meanwhile, Meyer continued using the same exact offense that he'd used forever.

Our offense drastically improved starting in 2017 because both Kevin Wilson and Ryan Day brought new concepts that made our offense more versatile, less predictable, and more effective.

So I absolutely think you made a good point in regards to Meyer's offense. I don't even think that this is something that can be flat-out denied. Again, he said Alabama had been running a Power-I (which is a type of formation, not a type of offense) until Tua became their starter so it was clear from the start that he had no idea what he was talking about. 

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mmp15f's picture

Well, first of all, the Power-I is a formation, not an offense; it's a 31 personnel formation. Secondly, Alabama has hardly operated out of the I-formation at all since Saban got there--even in the years before Lane Kiffin arrived. 

From 2007-2013, Bama had three different OCs (Applewhite, McElwain, Nussmeier) and they hardly ever even used an I-formation; their offense was essentially all one-back sets and they would take snaps under center, out of the pistol, and out of the shotgun. They used a second tight end as a wing in some formations, but they rarely ever had a fullback in the backfield. Especially back when they had guys like Ingram and Trent Richardson, they became known for their "one-back" offense.

In 2014, Lane Kiffin arrived and they ran more of a multiple offense. They even ran a fair amount of zone reads because they had Blake Sims. Kiffin continued that until leaving for FAU, and the guy they brought in for one season after him had kind of a similar style.

This past year was Tua's first year starting. As long as your going to go through an entire thread criticizing the opinions of others like you have in this thread, you might wanna make sure you're at least using factual information to back yourself up.

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mmp15f's picture

One more problem with what you're saying here, by the way, is that an RPO is a type of play not a type of offense

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allinosu's picture

I am a little concerned about your second point considering the '20' recruiting is offensively driven. I hope more effort on defense is given.

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flying-banana's picture

1. Meyer should have been put on administrative leave without pay while the Zach Smith situation was investigated and should have been fired the second it became known he knew about the abuse claims at Florida and OSU and still hired/retained Smith. I shouldn't have to answer questions of OSU's morality in my workplace because of the actions of the head/assistant coach.

2. Eleven Warriors message boards are often extremely toxic and promote a culture of blind loyalty to the team/program. It shouldn't be considered taboo to question the actions of the university, administration, athletic department, or football program.

3. The intense interest in focusing on recruiting Ohio or having more "Ohio kids" will set Ohio State back on the national stage. OSU should target the best athletes and best students everywhere in the country.

4. OSU pays/compensates/bagmen-s it's football players as much if not more than SEC teams do. Further, if I'm wrong and we're not we damn well should be.

5. It was time for Tressel to go regardless of Tattoo-gate, we we're nationally competitive anymore

6. It was time for Meyer to go regardless of Smith-Gate, he lost his edge.

7. ESPN loves Ohio State, we're a chash cow. They also know that we have an inferiority complex and will respond with more views/clicks if they post negative content.

8. I like Michigan, almost went there as a student coming from out-of-state. It's academic prowess is something to be admired and what I hope OSU invests more to try and become. Harbaugh is still annoying though.

9. If Meyer goes to USC and takes Pantoni, Marotti, and the rest of his crew with him then OSU is in deep shit under Day.

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UrbzRenewal's picture

I agree with most of these. Your point #6 reminds me of this article, which was pretty critical at the time: https://www.sbnation.com/2018/10/22/18004832/ohio-state-football-urban-m...

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flying-banana's picture

Couldn't agree more with the article and honestly feel Meyer lost his edge after winning the title at OSU. I think winning one at a different school/for Ohio was his final goal as a coach (like LeBron and the Cavs). Coaching hires focused on friendship and loyalty, players kept in roles they shouldn't be, refusal to change/adapt to modern football strategy, etc. You can honestly look back starting 2015 and see the unraveling of his coaching prowess.

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Atl_Buckeye72's picture

Completely agree. However, it isn't going to stop USC or Florida St from backing the brinks truck up for him next year. Won't get much of an argument from me if your critiquing his one the field coaching....However, the dude is one of the best in the business at recruiting and if you have better and more talent than your opponent you don't have to be as good of a coach

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flying-banana's picture

Can't disagree with you on his recruiting. Was and probably is one of the best in the business; in fact I'd argue we didn't lose multiple games 2015-2018 because our talent was ridiculous. 

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Hovenaut's picture

"2. Eleven Warriors message boards are often extremely toxic and promote a culture of blind loyalty to the team/program. It shouldn't be considered taboo to question the actions of the university, administration, athletic department, or football program."

There are moderators here (cough) that will support said questioning, hive mentality be damned.

Countering the dv.

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flying-banana's picture

You guys do a fine job considering it's volunteer work, and I'm not asking for anything more from y'all; my opinion was mostly formed during the Zach Smith saga. The us-against-the-world, blame the victim, attack the reporter, blindly follow Ohio reporters, etc persona that developed made me take a step back from using this website. 

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Hovenaut's picture

I read you, FB...it's all good.

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

8. I like Michigan, almost went there as a student coming from out-of-state. It's academic prowess is something to be admired and what I hope OSU invests more to try and become. Harbaugh is still annoying though.

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flying-banana's picture

If Michigan had matched OSU's scholarship offer I'd be a Wolverine.

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InfantryBuckeye5150's picture

As long as Shelly Meyer is around Urban will not take another coaching job.

Well, Columbus wasn't looking for America, my man, but that turned out to be pretty okay for everyone.

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OhioStGoon's picture

Stick an 8 year 80 million dollar check in Urban and her face and the chance to live out the rest of your days in Sunny L.A. and I promise you she'll take it most women would..

GO BUCKS

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MichiBuck12's picture

5. It was time for Tressel to go regardless of Tattoo-gate, we we're nationally competitive anymore

If tatoo-gate hadn't happened, OSU would have entered the 2011 season coming off a 12-1 season, and beating an SEC team in the Sugar Bowl. They would have had nearly the entire team returning, and would have been unanimously voted preseason #1. People keep trying to say that Tressel was trending downward but that simply was not true.

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Laxbro's picture

1. OSU's alternate uniforms have been mostly "get out of my face with those". Throw in a an alt. jersey--fine. But the grey/white/black with camo socks that bare no resemblance to OSU's actual colors - hard pass from me. 

2. Tressel's program was trending downwards from about 2007 and beyond. Seemed like he wasn't recruiting out of Ohio enough, but also those teams seemed to get physically embarrassed against any team known for being physical, i.e. LSU, Florida, USC, whichever year Wisky had John Clay truck sticking OSU's entire defense. 

3. Meyer lost his edge and to quote Mike Tomlin "his arrow was pointing down". Loved when he came here but enough with the loyalty and refusal to fix glaring issues year after year after year.

4. I can't stand white shoes in football. Black shoes need to come back at OSU, or at least red shoes - something with color. White shoes with white socks looks like a dallas cowboy's cheerleader. Black shoes look like a football player. 

5. I wish OSU was more like Alabama - Staunch defense, physical running game, physically intimidating, fundamentally sound, disciplined. Most importantly, black shoes. 

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jpfbucks01's picture

Tressel won 18 of his last 19 games including wins over #11 PSU on the road by 17, #15 Iowa, #7 Oregon, #12 Miami, #21 Iowa and #8 Arkansas.

1 loss to a ranked Wisky team on the road, a game that OSU trailed by only 3 with 11:38 to play in the game, Given the other losses you did mention I in fact think he was trending upwards

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

5. It was time for Tressel to go regardless of Tattoo-gate, we we're nationally competitive anymore

you realize that Tyrell Pryor was a favorite to win the Heisman in 2011 and we were a favorite for the NC until Tatoogate broke?

Hell, we were STILL number 18 in the country AFTER losing our QB and coach.  There is no doubt in my mind that tOSU was destined for the B10 championship until that all came to light.

jebes Michigana

jebi rak

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LCT's picture

Toally agree. That was gonna be a great year until the NCAA whacked us.

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Il_Padrino's picture

Still don't understand what the issue is with kids trading items they are given for whatever they want.  Not like they get paid at T-OSU - if they were in Bama they'd have their envelopes full of $$$ to go to and buy tats.

Living the life!  Go Buckeyes!  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

<sigh>  Its against the rules.  But it was minor and NOT the reason Tressel lost his job and the book got thrown at tOSU.  That happened because Tressel signed an affadavit to the NCAA that EVERY head coach must sign before the season.  It says, I am not aware and am not playing any players guilty of NCAA infractions.  He did play them and the e-mail from that attorney proved he was aware, so therefore, he lied to the NCAA.  THAT is why tOSU lost a bowl game and Tressel lost his job.

jebes Michigana

jebi rak

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Il_Padrino's picture

I get THAT it is against the rules - it is a stupid rule.  They are gifts.  If the rule is going to get in the way of good decision making then prepare a box for each player and hold it in storage until they leave the University and like a person's last day at a job - you take your boxes with you. 

Living the life!  Go Buckeyes!  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

There are lots of stupid rules from the NCAA.  Hell, I can sit at a red light at 3:30 in the morning; look both ways; not see a car within miles, go through the light and get a ticket for running a red light.  Its stupid, but I'm still expected to follow the rules.

jebes Michigana

jebi rak

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Il_Padrino's picture

No, a red light is a red light and the law is the law and it keeps you, and I, from killing others or ourselves.  Trading items that were gifted to a player for something more meaningful to them is a "no harm, no foul" kind of thing. 

Living the life!  Go Buckeyes!  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

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hetuck's picture

What you propose is exactly the remedy OSU offered the NCAA as a cure. It spelled out what jerseys, etc. a player would get and put in storage. If a player with eligibility wants to wear his Big Ten championship ring to an occasion, he has to check it out and check it in. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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Il_Padrino's picture

I had no idea - I mean I knew I that I am wicked smart - but no idea that this is what was proposed. 

Living the life!  Go Buckeyes!  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

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hetuck's picture

And that wasn't the worst part of it. It stated assistants would monitor players' checking accounts. I'd feel awkward as a coach and embarrassed as a player. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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faux_maestro's picture

That's the moment you go straight cash homie.

They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

OSU was literally coming off back-to-back BCS bowl wins in 2011.  Not nationally competitive anymore...lol gtfoh

Class of 2010.

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Toilrt Paper's picture

I either have no "unpopular positions", or I'm thick skinned.

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smibr37's picture

Does a person's unpopular opinion cease to be unpopular with each UV it gets?

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LCT's picture

Depends on how representative a sample participants in this thread make up. We don't have a way to know.

It might just be a collection of bitter, grudging fucks here.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
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@osu.fbu's picture

As a fan I'm excited for Ryan Day's pass happy attack but I'm worried we will become soft in the long-term.

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LCT's picture

We've spent the last 7 years doing jet sweeps on 3rd & 1.

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Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

No we haven’t 

2x account suspension survivor 

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George Hennen's picture

I like JT, but he should not have returned for his 5th year. He should have grad transferred and Haskins would have been the starter for 2 seasons. I knew this once I saw him make that throw in The Game. Haskins was ready to start that year as a redshirt frosh

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Bucks62's picture

Terrelle Pryor and Braxton Miller were both good passers. 

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Atl_Buckeye72's picture

Interesting how civil this thread is considering how quickly we all tend to flame opinions on this board that are anything less than OSU is perfect, Harbaugh is Satan and ESPN is conspiring with the CFP to keep us out of the playoffs

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BuckeyeBulldog's picture

Well after reading some of the takes this may not be so unpopular after all.
For as good as Urban is in the recruiting game, he was an above average at best game day coach.

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MichiBuck12's picture

I've said before he was the best coach in the country every day except saturdays.

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OhioStGoon's picture

1. OSU's PR department should have more of a "kiss my ass" attitude towards ESPN when a news story breaks like Alabama most SEC teams do. The aforementioned isn't a Gene's or President Drake issue either it's culture of cow-towing to a corrupt holier than thou media entity in ESPN and it needs to stop and stop NOW!!

2. Urban taking the FOX studio analysts job is a prelude to him going to USC for 8 year's at 80 million. And he will kill out here because trust me every coach and program out here is ass compared to Meyer.

2. I don't like Shelly Meyer and (I see, if true) why Urban was chasing co-eds at UF.

3. Day will kill it here at OSU and go down as one of the all-time greats in college football history. Everything and I mean everything is set up for him to kill it in Columbus and win a national championship his first year and many more afterwards.

4. If and when Harbaugh gets canned Campbell comes in and continues the ineptitude at scUM not enhance it because he's overrated.

5. While at USC Meyer will be highly successful but never when a national championship there like he did at his previous stops his edge is gone on that front.

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ashtabulassassin's picture

I think you win for most shock factor with your list lol. 

Buckshots... in case you have amnesia.

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The Cynic's picture

Not sure about Campbell, but the rest of this is excellent.

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InfantryBuckeye5150's picture

Earle Bruce was not a good coach. Unless you consider consistent 9-3’s a successful year. He was not a good recruiter, and the state was constantly being poached by Michigan, Norte Dame and Penn State.

OSU did not deserve to be in the 2016 playoffs. 

I get annoyed by die hard fans who never attended the school. I am that way with any and college football programs. (I admit I am being pretentious douche on this one).

I didn’t feel that bad when Bo passed away. I found him boring and somewhat a buffoon. Every time I heard him say “a Michigan Man” I barked back “bitch you’re from Ohio!”

I actually like and respect Nick Saban. He is truly a worthy adversary.

Well, Columbus wasn't looking for America, my man, but that turned out to be pretty okay for everyone.

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George Hennen's picture

1. Meyer will be USC coach in 2020 and will be there 6-8 years. Not sure if he will get them a championship but he will bring them back to a national power. 

2. Cardale should have declared for the draft immediate after the 2014 season. That 3 game performance along with his size is enough for him to go in the first 2 rounds. 

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OhioStGoon's picture

I honestly believe if Cardale does the latter he's still firmly on an NFL roster to this day.

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UrbzRenewal's picture

He is firmly on an NFL roster, learning from Phillip Rivers.

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CincyBuck's picture

2. Cardale should have declared for the draft immediate after the 2014 season. That 3 game performance along with his size is enough for him to go in the first 2 rounds. 

In retrospect, this is kind of a no-brainer, IMO

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Elks&#039; comb over's picture

Nickleback should write a new fight song for OSU

/s

“Megadeth >>> Metallica” - Alum 2019. I couldn’t agree more.

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InfantryBuckeye5150's picture

And have Imagine Dragons singing backup.

Well, Columbus wasn't looking for America, my man, but that turned out to be pretty okay for everyone.

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Elks&#039; comb over's picture

Featuring Lil Wayne & Nick Jonas on guitar trading solos back and forth

“Megadeth >>> Metallica” - Alum 2019. I couldn’t agree more.

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lamplighter's picture

why not Abba?

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Elks&#039; comb over's picture

Too old. Need the hottest modern band out there

“Megadeth >>> Metallica” - Alum 2019. I couldn’t agree more.

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lamplighter's picture

so Culture Club is definitely out then

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Elks&#039; comb over's picture

Ok we can let Mick Hucknall or Roland Orzabal & Curt Smith sit in

“Megadeth >>> Metallica” - Alum 2019. I couldn’t agree more.

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Il_Padrino's picture

He said OSU not UM...

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NOLABuckeye's picture

Does italics and the "/s" act like a double negative (double sarcasm) meaning that you really want that Nickleback fight song?

Nothing cleanses the soul like a no call pass interference.

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Elks&#039; comb over's picture

Attempt to make sure people understood the sarcasm

“Megadeth >>> Metallica” - Alum 2019. I couldn’t agree more.

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You can&#039;t spell chump without UM's picture

Warinner and Beck should not have been fired after 2015, as almost everyone here states. Urban essentially demanded that his assistants give a two-year commitment before departing elsewhere. If you're going to do that, you have to do the same, otherwise nobody's going to trust you. As incompetent as they were as co-OC's and a QB coach, Urban brought it upon himself.

Tom Brady lost to John Cooper. Never forget.

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Elks&#039; comb over's picture

Warinner was here for multiple seasons (4?) and Beck was probably mutual so he could join Herman in Texas

“Megadeth >>> Metallica” - Alum 2019. I couldn’t agree more.

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smith288's picture

Gameday on campus is a clusterf*%$ and not worth the time and energy.

The down vote is a mighty tool. Use it on idiots, not differing opinions.

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OSU_Hammy's picture

Braxton Miller is the best OSU QB of all time.

Buckeye Til I Die

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binger18's picture

A lie repeated enough times starts to become the truth! Would like to see an actual study showing measurably why Michigan is considered an Uber elete academic school above and beyond all else with such prowess. ie The Michigan man myth...comparing all Big Ten schools using entrance requirements, act/sat scores, gpa’s, all academic awards, retention rate for both athletic programs and non athletes, and a ranking of each school’s top 4 or 5 programs...Ohio State Dentistry or vetinary, Purdue engineering, Wisconson’s Business school, etc... my guess is your going to get very equal results. 

Abcdesteele

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RBuck's picture

Day will bolt for the pros in 2 years.

Urban will turn down an offer to return as head coach.

The golden era of OSU football will end.

Sooner or later it all gets real.

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ashtabulassassin's picture

Good ones. I think those are within the realm of possibility as well

Buckshots... in case you have amnesia.

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jpfbucks01's picture

From 1977 to 1994 OSU was a 2nd tier program

We were outside the top 10 in overall win pct at 12th, but even that doesnt really magnify the issue as we played in maybe the weakest era of the B10 at that time

Against Ranked OOC teams we went 9-18-1 in those 18 years, and lost 5 other OOC games against unranked teams

No National Titles of course, only 3 times in the top 10 in the final AP poll and unranked 5 times

We went 6-10 in bowls and rarely played in a major bowl with 2 of those wins coming against BYU and another against Navy.

We went 6-10-1 against UM, and won only a share of 6 B10 titles and only 1 outright

It wasnt until Cooper in 1995 beat 6 ranked teams (even though he lost to UM and Tenn) to end the year, did we finally get back to the top tier again, and he only held that for 4 years before we slipped again from 1999-2001, going 21-15 overall 13-11 in conference, unranked for 3 straight years, going 1-3 against ranked OOC teams,,,

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Hovenaut's picture

I don't think any of these are opnions, but rather facts. 

Those were hard times. 

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

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Todtfather's picture

Publix subs are the worst thing the state of Florida stands for 

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Really? I always thought it was all the damned tourists

"I find your lack of kalua disturbing" - Darth Lebowski

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Todtfather's picture

When you come from the likes of The Ribber, Hickie's etc.... How is a Pub sub supposed to compare? :) 

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

I miss Hickies (Wheelersburg grad) ;)

"I find your lack of kalua disturbing" - Darth Lebowski

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Todtfather's picture

Portsmouth West > Orlando 

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lamplighter's picture

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chef2323's picture

Craig Krenzel's the best OSU quarterback

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Poco Loco's picture

I will account for the last 70 years and state that Ohio State fans have not changed one bit. They are perfect Sunday morning quarterbacks, want to fire the coach at the least provocation, blame the players for any miscues, and generally find fault. The one admiring trait they have is that they, unlike the fans of the maize and blue, do not blame the officials. As a passing note, one raises pigs and windows and rears children.

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Lighteyes's picture

Here's my biggest one: Now that I've graduated and moved away from Columbus, I would rather go to a bowl game than a home game. It's more cost effective, it's a chance to visit a new place, it's a very chill and laid-back atmosphere, and there's generally polite respect and joking with the other schools' fans.

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OSUBias's picture

I think our away jerseys are miles ahead of our home jerseys. Cleanest look in CFB. 

I don’t get to tell you how to do your OSU fandom. Boo if you want, get drunk and post ridiculous stuff, whatever. The holier than thou piece of our fan base should Gtfo.

We are spoiled as a fan base and probably deserve a long mediocre stretch for a lot of us (especially younger fans) to get some perspective.

I miss real grass fields. 

The Shoe is generally a horrible place to watch a game, other than the team.

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aledyard's picture

I miss the grass too, hate the field turf.

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ohiowhitesnake's picture

The expectations for Day are way to high. 

I don’t believe half of what came out of Urban’s mouth, ever. 

Jim Tressel was not as clean as he’s given credit for. 

Man….. this football team.-Jeff Okudah 

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BuckeyeTron's picture

A couple of mine:

1. Tate had a weak arm as evidenced by his highlight video. He consistently threw at or behind the line for screens or check downs. His lone deep ball was under thrown against Rutgers.

2. Tate isn't actually that fast. He is shifty, however; vs. elite talent, I don't think he's getting away from anyone.

3. Braxton should have been benched when he got injured vs. Clemson. KG would have gotten us the win.

Go Buckeyes!

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saltybuck61's picture
  1. I like Ryan Day a lot. He was my first choice as head coach. That being said, he won't be as good as Urban. I don't think he will be as good as Tressel, either. I am expecting an Earle Bruce regime at Ohio State. I would guess he has less than a 10% chance to equal Urban.
  2. Urban Meyer doesn't deserve many of the bad things said about him. His biggest issue is that he doesn't care about his image or PR, he only cares about winning.
  3. The expectations for the team are absurd and completely unreasonable. Urban Meyer won back-to-back huge bowl games, went 7-0 against Michigan, and many believe that he wasn't cut out for the job anymore. Yes, he has flaws with his loyalty. However, it would be tough to find someone to do a better job.
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blu.fan's picture

I have unpopular OSU opinions. Being that I'm a Michigan fan, I'll keep them to myself!

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Guts's picture

Michigan is a mirage. Everybody knows Michigan is really just a lake...

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40 Degrees North's picture

1. Earle Bruce drove the program into the ground.

2. John Cooper only survived because the rich donors who handled the Bruce firing poorly needed to save face. To Coop’s credit, he did do things to bring the program back to a national prominence.

3. I wish Shelley Meyer and the family stayed out of the limelight like the Tressel’s and other families have. 

4. Many folks around OSU and Columbus knew about Schlichter, Clarett, and Zach Smith long before the public at large did. 

5. The Tat 5 were the poor suckers who lost at musical chairs. Many guys did what they did. They were thrown under the bus to protect multiple brands, including a bowl game. 

6. Cardale was telling the truth about classes being pointless. 

7. The reason Zach Smith stayed so long is because he knew where the bodies were buried in Bowling Green, Gainesville, and Columbus. 

8. There are always players that hate certain coaches, but I think the guys ended up loving Woody, Earle, Coop, and Tress. I don’t think you see, and won’t see, that level of love toward Urban from his players.

9. The John Cooper hot tub commercial should always live in infamy.

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NOLABuckeye's picture

Nothing cleanses the soul like a no call pass interference.

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ashtabulassassin's picture

I know... I prememptively already proclaimed another list as having the most shock factor

Buckshots... in case you have amnesia.

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stxbuck's picture

I like these. Point #6 is true if a player is being shuffled through an "eligibility" degree. Point #7-probably also true as well, unfortunately...............

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soldierdad's picture

It amused me we let Clemson finger f@$# our asses in our last playoff appearance without as much as a whimper.  And I think Dabo was a class act about it.

The soldier is my son.  The school I gone to didn’t teach much grammar.  

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martin anderson's picture

The homerism and hypocrisy of a lot of OSU fans is ridiculous. A perfect example is the hiring of Urban as HC. When he was at UF he was commonly referred to as Urban Liar and Urban Crier by most OSU fans but when OSU hired him he was the best hire in the history of OSU. Add to that the constant bitching about Clemson's weak schedule. Maybe if we weren't 0-3 against them with the last loss a 31-0 embarrassment we would have a legitimate reason to bitch about their weak schedule

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OSU56's picture

My opinion is simple(Note-not a disappointment)- I have enjoyed tremendously the complete dominance of the boys up north for as long as we have.  I hope it continues with another complete beat down this coming fall. I hope Jimmy stays for as long as he can, because this rivalry has been great for so long that the smile on my face will be hard for get rid of for a very long time........if jimmy loses to the 1st year coach Ryan Day to add to his list of disappointments that now is much longer then the Browns QB list since they moved.

Enjoying daily the back to back ttun beatdowns.

 

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elitesmithie's picture

I think any coach that starts to write a book should be fired(only slightly joking)

Both recent examples look terrible in hindsight and the 2015 year was one giant distraction.

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aledyard's picture

Thought of a few more.

1)  I like Michigan's helmets.

2)  One of the best games I ever watched was the Lloyd Carr's last game when Michigan beat Florida.

3)  I don't like Tim Tebow.

4)  I don't like the mixing of patriotism and sports (American flags on helmets, military servicemen honored at sporting events, etc.).

5)  I think football is better when played on natural grass.

6)  I think script Ohio is overdone. 

7)  The best OSU sporting event to watch in person is OSU hockey.  Football is my least favorite.

"In America, anyone can become president.  That's the problem."  George Carlin

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Guts's picture

6)  I think script Ohio is overdone. 

7)  The best OSU sporting event to watch in person is OSU hockey.  Football is my least favorite.

Take it back!

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FeedZeke420's picture

Just curious, why do you have a problem with people that keep your ass safe being honored at a sporting event?

Go Bucks!

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aledyard's picture

A few reasons.  1)  The Department of Defense uses these events as a recruiting tool (DoD paid $6.8 million to sports teams from 2012 - 2015 on these types of events); 2)The honoring of servicemembers at sporting events and the military discounts offered at retailers and other establishments creates a situation in our society where military service is valued more than any other profession or sacrifice, something I strongly disagree with; 3) We already have days where you can give thanks to those who served.  If you want to thank those who served in the military, you can do that on November 11th.  If you want to honor those who died for our country, you can do that on Memorial Day; 4) If people really want to honor those who serve or who have served they should demand accountability from our elected leaders and ensure our men and women are only sent in to harms way when it is absolutely necessary.  

"In America, anyone can become president.  That's the problem."  George Carlin

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FeedZeke420's picture

1) what's wrong with recruiting? We have a military that needs manned, it doesn't just run itself. Would you rather be drafted? 

2) the most honorable thing you can do is serve your country, it should be considered more valuable because nothing else would be possible without our brave men and woman. They do it so you don't have to. Consider yourself lucky to have the ignorance to think that our military shouldn't be considered any more valuable than "any other profession or sacrifice".  They make the ultimate sacrifice, your whole second point is fucking disgusting.

3) you better thank a veteran/active service member everyday for doing what you don't have the sack to do. They keep your ass safe at night so you can play on 11w and make stupid comments. If a sports team wants to honor a veteran/active military you stand your ass up and thank them for serving. I got to watch the Buffalo sabers honor my uncle (Nam vet), that was no recruiting tool. It was just a chance for everyone to say thank you for making life altering sacrifices so others didn't have to and a cool experience for him.

4) your 4th point well I wont hold my breath for that to happen

Go Bucks!

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aledyard's picture

I am a veteran.  I graduated from USMA in 1995, served in the active Army for 8 years and 2 years in the reserves.  I know what it means to serve.  

There is nothing wrong with recruiting, but it is disingenuous to present a military coming home story at a sporting event that was orchestrated and paid for by the DoD.  John McCain led a congressional inquiry on this in 2015.  I do think there should be a draft of sorts.  Everyone should be required to serve the public in some capacity, be it the military, peace corps, nursing home, something.  I also believe the government should have raised taxes after 9/11 to pay for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq so at least everyone would have some skin in the game and feel some of the pain of our nation being at war.  

Sure it's honorable to serve your country, but I would say it is equally honorable to be a nurse, a teacher, or other contributing member of society.  My wife is a nurse and tells me stories of some of the patients she has cared for--there is no way I could do the work she does.  So is my service to my country greater than the service she provided to her patients?  I don't think so and I'm sure the patients she cared for wouldn't think so either.  

Much respect for your uncle for his service.  

"In America, anyone can become president.  That's the problem."  George Carlin

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stxbuck's picture

Have you read Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk? Great book-and speaks to exactly what you are talking about here.

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aledyard's picture

Thanks for the recommendation Stxbuck.  I just read up on it, sounds like it would be a good read.  

"In America, anyone can become president.  That's the problem."  George Carlin

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stxbuck's picture

#6 is blasphemous.  All others aren't necessarily wrong.........................

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lamplighter's picture

I like Michigan's helmets.

No DV, but

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MyStereoHasMono's picture

Duuude I totally agree about Carr's last game vs Florida.  Classic.  I even wrote once that that game made me have a hard time hating Michigan as much as most people here.

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BuckWilde's picture

GIFs are cool and all, but I'm not gonna make the effort to post one when I can say the same thing with typed words.

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Guts's picture

Oh, another unpopular opinion. Ohio State vs Michigan should be played at night. Because night games are cool and The Game is (was?) a big deal.

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Arsenal7's picture

urban meyer is an abhorrent human being and the fact that he is still allowed anywhere near the program is a detriment to it

urban meyer cost ohio state 3 playoff births between 2015 and 2018 due to horrible coaching and horrible coaching hires

espn isn't out to get ohio state lmao you idiots

tuf borland is the worst linebacker i have ever seen play for ohio state 

pete werner is the second worst

greg studrawa will cost the 2019 team a shot at the national title

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stxbuck's picture

If you are going to have that opinion of Coach Studrawa, at least back it up w/ some facts about his actual coaching/lack of knowledge thereof........................

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MaineStrength's picture

They're supposed to be unpopular and opinions.  You don't have to back up opinions because as The Dude says it's like your opinion man.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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stxbuck's picture

If something or someone sucks-fine-just say why it/they suck-it's still your opinion. Of course, if you know deep down your take is petty and indefensible, I can see why silence reigns on the interwebz after the first post........................

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Hovenaut's picture

I think this thread is the best forum post I've read in over three months.

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

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Kangarooman's picture

The Michigan obsession is dated and taking on a creepy vibe. We keep them relevant. I think the program would be much better off if we viewed Clemson as our measuring stick and the goal was the playoffs rather than beating Michigan.

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MaineStrength's picture

The 90's pain is still there for many.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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Jackets203's picture

I had a long comment written out but deleted it. I am not saying you cant question OSU or our head coach cause we should. But i am just amazed at all the Meyer bashing on this thread.

I hope Day turns out to be just as good as Tressel and Mayer but the odds are against him. We have been lucky to not have many 3 and 4 loss seasons for a long time but i think they may be coming soon. I will still go to games and cheer for the Buckeyes just like i always have.

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Jay_sizzle's picture
  1. An OSU roster with atleast 50-60% Ohio Kids is an 8-4 team max & would get blown out by any powerhouse teams , ohio itself doesnt have enough strong sports talent compared to VA, TX , FL , CA & even AL/GA
  2. Urban Meyer’s loyalty is the exact reason  we only have 1 Nat’l championship in the last 10 years
  3. Zach Smith was an awful coach & only bright spot in whole career was coaching Michael thomas 
  4. Players like Damon Arnette/ Tuf Borland who only play because they’re “older” is one of the dumbest concepts ever
  5. JT Barrett is not a starter on any powerhouse team 
  6. JT Barrett was an average College QB who benefited heavily from beating up on lesser opponents as well as playing for 4 years 
  7. Urban Meyer sucked at hiring assistants & still played old school offense
  8. OSU getting shutout by Clemson was solely on JT Barrett & the WRs
  9. OSU’s alternate uniforms are actually nice 
  10. Urban Meyer was horrible at recruiting on defense , and he went years without landing good DTs & we suffer for it every season
  11. Urban cant coach Special Teams to save his life , and our kickers have always been HORRENDOUS 
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Guts's picture

I want to say you're being too harsh on Urban, but dammit, you're not wrong... Everything else is spot on.

The only alternate uniforms I don't enjoy are some of the throwbacks and especially the one Tressell implemented in 2008 and that we've been wearing for most of our games ever since.

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Atl_Buckeye72's picture

Totally agree with #1. If we fill our roster with 3* kids from Ohio things will be very different than we have become accustomed to for the last decade. BTW....I wouldn't say "even GA". Just a quick look at 2019. Number of top 100 players by state...FL-11, CA-13, GA-12, TX-14....OH-2. So, yes make sure that we keep the top talent from the state but you can't stop there if we expect to stay in championship contention every year.

#8 - I might put some of that on the coaching and of offensive identity the entire year (or the world figured it out)

#10 - I definitely can't agree with this. How many first round draft choices did he produce from the Defense in 8 seasons?

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Kangarooman's picture

Yeah, I thought his list was good, but #10 is just objectively wrong. Urban was an undeniably great recruiter.

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CedarBuck92's picture

A portion of posters on here would be content with 10 win seasons if we recruited only OH kids and threw for 700+ per game. 

Urban and Gene were suspended for political reasons/to save face not for actually doing anything wrong. 

A certain amount of loyalty is needed in sports. It does no one any good if a player is playing scared all day. (See 2015 QB competition)

The NCAA's job is to enforce eligibility. Anything outside of that falls to conferences and schools along with law enforcement. For this reason the NCAA had no business sticking their nose in the PSU scandal. Everything involved was a legal issue and not an eligibility one.

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Ill_Buckeye's picture

1. I think regardless of how he performs; I dont think day lasts for more than 6 years at OSU

2. Fields strikes me as a me-first player (not just because he transferred), I'm not confident he'll be a great leader for this team, and im not so sure the juice will be have been worth the squeeze.

3. I think given our personnel on defense, the hybrid player role is going to be a detriment. Brendon white should absolutely stay at safety. Having 2 LBs on the field, and lets face it they'll be tuf and malik, will be a bottleneck on the young LB talent. 

4. JT should have been benched at halftime during the oklahoma game and never given the reigns again.

5. If you're one of the many, many posters in here who always says things like "Well, gee I trust the coaches know more than any of us, so we should just trust them." You're opinion is beyond worthless, as you don't actually have one.

6. Damario is never going to be given a real opportunity to thrive beyond the return game, I think we have criminally wasted his talent

7. If Day doesnt do well and keep the momentum going in the first two years we may not win a natty for 10+ years. That said; I think he will.

8. Also my OSU degree has gained me nothing in real life 10 years after graduating. I have good friends and an unhealthy football obsession, but it has not opened a single door professionally for me. I think outside of the midwest the value of an OSU degree is pretty overrated.

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George Hennen's picture

Let’s be honest, most degrees in general are overrated. 

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

Well what’s your degree in?

Ohio State has one of the largest alumni bases in the world, spread all throughout the world. That’s where theoretically it’s going to give you an upper hand 

2x account suspension survivor 

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mmp15f's picture

I don't care at all about the number of Ohio kids we get. If that actually matters to you, then you're essentially saying you don't want the team to be as good as possible.

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mmp15f's picture

I want Kevin Wilson to be the play-caller this season. Yurcich has only called plays at the D1 level in a conference that doesn't play defense, and Day needs to oversee the entire game as a head coach

I have no problem with the decision to promote Day from within and not look at other candidates

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MaineStrength's picture

Coming from a rival fan mine are a bit different, but probably unpopular amongst OSU fans and obviously I'm listing my most unpopular ones, but feel free to neg if you desire, even though that's sort of the point.

  • Meyer although a fantastic coach is a pathological liar and made many mistakes in the ZS debacle.
  • UM is back to what they always were (a 10ish win team), they just don't win titles anymore because OSU is better than they've ever been & they're stuck in their division.
  • OSU's 2019 recruiting class while good in quality was not as good as UM's class overall.
  • Field's is completely unproven and OSU doesn't know what they are getting yet beyond a high level recruit.
  • OSU under Day is likely to be a step back from OSU under Meyer, because history says Meyer is the best to ever do it as OSU, which makes it unlikely the next guy will be better unless he's already at Saban/Swinney levels.
  • The 4th down was short :)  Sorry I couldn't resist.  In reality it's too close to say either way with much certainty, it was just good luck for one team and bad for the other.  Sometimes things work out this way in life.  It's all good.

Despite what some think of UM fans I find commonality and appreciate college football fans and enjoy chatting with them regardless of team affiliation so long as you're not a jerk.  If I happened to have been born in another state I would probably be a different fan.  Thinking of it that way changes your perspective.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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mmp15f's picture

I mean none of your opinions are ridiculous at all. I do think we converted that 4th down, but you're right in saying that it's really hard to look at that play and find indisputable video evidence either way.

I've seen you comment on this site pretty frequently and you definitely seem like you know what you're talking about and have a pretty realistic view on everything. I've tried to get away from negatively viewing any fanbase as a whole. No reason to not be able to have a good conversation with a UM who's well-informed and not looking for an argument

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MichiBuck12's picture

I don't think any of this is all that objectionable. Pathological liar might be stronger wording than I'd use but I think its undeniable mistakes were made during that whole clusterfuck. Considering UM has only one split national title since 1948, I think you are correct in that 9-10 wins a year is historically what they are as a program. You'd probably get more guff for that one over at MGo than you will here. Agree on Fields. We know less about him now than we did about Haskins at this time last year. I'm still optimistic, but not giddy like I was with Haskins. Same with Ryan Day. I'm optimistic but he's replacing an all time great. The odds of replacing Urban Meyer with someone just as good is historically and statistically improbable. I think JT got the first. MGo did some fancy math at the time and drew the same conclusion. I think had he been ruled short, the replay would not have overturned that call either. 

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MaineStrength's picture

Pathological liar might be stronger wording than I'd use but I think its undeniable mistakes were made during that whole clusterfuck.

I chose that phrase because of some other stuff you can throw in there (Grimes, UF "retirement", cell phone records, etc.), but didn't feel the need to dig further...you get the picture.

You'd probably get more guff for that one over at MGo than you will here

I think you're right.  They tend to be eternal optimists pre-season every year, at least the community rather than the writers.  I tend to be more the realist and use the past to predict the future.

I'm still optimistic, but not giddy

I've seen too many 5-stars not live up to the hype (Rashan Gary, Derrick Green, DPJ, Aubrey Solomon, Kevin Grady, Shea Patterson, etc.) . 5-stars are great, but by no means a guarantee.  

MGo did some fancy math at the time and drew the same conclusion

Thanks for sharing that as I hadn't read it.  I've succomb to the conclusion that it was so close it would be difficult to say with much conviction either way.  It was gonna be lucky/unlucky depending on which side you root for.  It's hard for UM fans to accept luck was the difference in this game after so many losses.  Such is life and sports :/

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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MichiBuck12's picture

Wow, I haven't seen the name Kevin Grady in a really long time. I watched him play a handful of times in high school. The dudes legs were like tree trunks. There were a lot of rumors back then about his dads nefarious dealings around town. Now I'm kinda curious where those guys ended up.

EDIT: I googled it. Kevin Grady Sr is in prison. So it turns out the rumors were true. Kevin Grady the football player was last heard from publicly in 2011 when he played in the Indoor Football League.

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MaineStrength's picture

Now I'm kinda curious where those guys ended up.

DPJ - Obviously still at UM and is a good player, just hasn't lived up to 5-star hype yet, but should be primed for a nice Jr. season.

Gary - Been discussed quite a bit, great player, just not what you'd expect out of a consensus #1 recruit.

Derrick Green - Transferred to TCU after 3rd season at UM and was a backup.  His best season was his second season at UM for 471 yards.

Aubrey Solomon - Transferred to Tennessee this season after being a back up his freshman and sophomore season.  There were some rumors he was upset that he was displaced on the depth chart after returning from injury last season.

You can add Ryan Mallett who wound up transferring to Arkansas when Rich Rod was hired.

Kelly Baraka - Dismissed from the team for violating team rules.  I think he's boxing now.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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LCT's picture

Less than a year ago this thread would have been chock full of -10s.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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RK84's picture

I like the Friday game at NW, sets you up for a nice fall weekend in Chicago. Which is a great time in that city.

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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SilverBullets_PHX's picture

1 - Ryan Day is a great coach but he won't be the head coach of Ohio State on Sept. 1 2022.  He will have 3 solid years including a CFP appearance or two but will not win a title. He will then chase his bigger dream in the NFL.  The true long term successor to Urban isn't on the staff right now as Day is using this as a stepping stone.  Day may very well be known as Belichick's successor at the end of his career.  

2 - While Brian Hartline has NFL playing experience and the players love him, he has just as many skeletons in his closet as Zach Smith and is cut from the same cloth.  Somehow people miss this or forget about it.  

3 - Ohio State won the 2014 National Championship because Bama didn't have enough film on Cardale and they weren't able to adequately scheme on defense.  Cardale was wildly inaccurate but could air it out 60 yards.  Bama didn't know how accurate/inaccurate Cardale was so they had to be more conservative with their secondary.  That created larger gaps for Zeke.  If Cardale had played another game or two, Bama throttles the Bucks.  It was a perfect storm.  

4 - I love tOSU football but at times I'm conflicted because it feels like they are on the edge of losing control and are bending the rules and their morals to fit their agenda.  The handling of Urban/Zach Smith was an absolute embarrassment to tOSU.  I think a large part of Urban retiring is him throwing a temper tantrum because he didn't get his way.

5 - As much as I love tradition, I enjoy modernizing some things.  I like alternate uniforms a game or two a year.  I think The Game should be a night game with both teams wearing their colors.  

6 - I don't think playoff expansion solves many problems.  There are realistically only 2-3 teams, sometimes a 4th, who are good enough to win a title each year.  The current model is adequate, the process for selecting the teams is simply too arbitrary.  

7 - Players should be allowed to make income off their likeness but it should be heavily regulated and capped (basically the Olympic model).  I think it's actually a fairly easy fix and implementation but the universities and NCAAs are protecting their own interest and not the student athletes.  I haven't heard a single, sound, argument for why a guy like JT Barrett or Aaron Craft should leave college without something in their pocket.  JT was the face of a $1b program for 4 years and because he's not an elite NFL talent, he ultimately gets nothing as a result.  There's a solution out there, and I'm sure it's already been brought to the table, but the NCAA won't allow it.  

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RK84's picture

I don't disagree with any of this.

Difference between ZS and his peers is that his wife went bat shit crazy for revenge. Basically the old you're only sorry because you got caught reasoning. I would bet, there are some lurid stories for a number of college coaches out there that portray themselves as angelic creatures.

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stxbuck's picture

Bear Bryant put Zach Smith to shame when it came to drinkin' and whorin'............................

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SilverBullets_PHX's picture

And from what I understand, BH also puts ZS to shame in that department... or at least as of a couple of years ago he did... maybe he's changed a lot in the last couple of years... 

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Dublin Buck's picture

I'm not doubting what you have been told, but I don't remember hearing anything like this.

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stxbuck's picture

I probably came off like a little bit more of a smart azz than I wanted to w/ my reply, but The Junction Boys is a good place to start about Bryant.

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Dublin Buck's picture

It's fine.  I actually responded to the wrong post.  I was talking about Hartline, not Bryant.

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SilverBullets_PHX's picture

The only thing which came out on a large public scale was the wrecked car in the middle of night in Miami and him dodging investigators like the plague until it went away.  

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stxbuck's picture

Huggy Bear-he hasn't changed-but he's in his adopted hometown now-the WVU admin isn't gonna go after him like UC!

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RK84's picture

Young dude, a few mill in the bank, I'd probably be doing the same. Maybe he cleaned it up when he joined the program in a coaching capacity though.

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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SilverBullets_PHX's picture

From what I understand, there's nothing close to a few million in the bank.  

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Hovenaut's picture

Are we going Part II on this sucker, seeing how we're near 4 large?

I'm in.

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

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ashtabulassassin's picture

Perhaps I'll post a sequel tonight with some extra guidance on rules lol

Buckshots... in case you have amnesia.

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Hovenaut's picture

Minor dustups aside (it is the offseason), I enjoyed it here.

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

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RK84's picture

Knock on wood, we don't slip down the rabbit hole, this has actually be an interesting topic.

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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Hovenaut's picture

Call it a good "spring cleaning" type thread. 

Almost a month out from that spring game. 

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

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stxbuck's picture

Nobody gives a rat's ass about 'guidance' for your rules-fire don't pay attention.

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CowCat's picture

There are many to mention in the controversial category:

#FireFickell
Cardale is god after playing 3 good games
Haskins should have started over JT (even though Haskins was raw)
Running the quarterback is bad vs. good
Joe Burrow should be the starter, not Haskins
Justin Fields is automatically the starter
Tuf Borland and Pete Werner should be benched
Endless speculation about Urban Meyer's situation
Obsession with potential transfers

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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Kyson12's picture

Would love to hear more about our wide receiver coach. Sounds juicy. 

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jpfbucks01's picture

OK here are mine that usually get me in hot water with other fans

1) Tressel got what he derserved

2) So did Zach Smith

3) Meyer should have been fired for #2

4) The Day hire surprised me only due to the lack of any kind of search - hope this does not come back to haunt us

5) the alternate uni's dont bother me and the whole gray stripe thing is just silly

6) Our recent "dominance of UM" has in fact been a factor of a great deal of luck in many cases (at least 6 of the wins since 2001 have been won by 7 points or less, a small change one way or another and this series could easily be 10-8 in the last 18 years instead of 16-2)

7) I dont care for the Woody statue in part because its ugly, but also I just dont care for the glorification of a coach period

8) Although he is still a schmuck for how he handled his business off the field here, Terrelle Pryor is probably the 2nd or 3rd best QB in school history behind only Haskins and maybe Germaine and only failed to shine more due to having a glorified tape runner as his QB coach while here (Siciliano)

9) I like Noon Kickoffs as I can find plenty to do on a Saturday night rather than watch a game

10) Troy Smith's career is over rated and he may have been the weakest Heisman winner of the last 30 years, Granted his wins over UM were great, but overall he was just an above average QB who was surrounded by a NFL expansion team with targets like Ginn, Holmes, Gonzo, Robiskie and backs like Beanie and Pittman making him look great

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linepilot15's picture

I can certainly see where some of these would get you in hot water. I know that we are not supposed to argue with posters opinions but some of these have me quivering.

linepilot

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

9) I like Noon Kickoffs as I can find plenty to do on a Saturday night rather than watch a game

We need more fans like you! 

s/ 

2x account suspension survivor 

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

1. Meyer deserved the suspension he got (if not more) and G Smith is not to blame for Meyer’s Inaction on Z Smith.

2.  I don’t believe there’s an ESPN bias, as much as there’s an OSU fan base paranoia and over dramatization of a bias.

3. The constant mocking of Michigan is old.

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Hovenaut's picture

Bold flavors.

I agree on one and really, truly, infinity + 1 agree on two.

For three...yeah, it is...but it's still fun.

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stxbuck's picture

1 is very correct.

3 is very incorrect.

As far #2, I don't think ESPN as an institution/editorial board is biased against tOSU, but they let Herbstreit get out of control w/ his own issues against Tressel-and it poisoned their brand w/ tOSU fans.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

Gene Smith as an elite level AD. A lot of OSU fans don’t deserve him or Ohio State

2x account suspension survivor 

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shawn kemps kids's picture

Preach it from the top of The Towers

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OSU56's picture

Let's get this moving to part #2......

1) Constant mocking of ttun is under rated.

2) Mocking ttun is lackluster lately

3) Beating the skunk weasels again is not required.....

4) All of the above is a mirage according to selected sources

5) No one has it better then ttun

(Note- all above is McMutt style statements)

Enjoying daily the back to back ttun beatdowns.

 

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Kyson12's picture

Kudos to the op for breaking a record for most comments ever. Yee haw

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Kyson12's picture

Holy cow I stand corrected, that’s amazing. 

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LessScarletMoreGray's picture

Head injuries are going to put football out of business. The world's favorite sport, soccer (futbol), will become our number one sport, and OSU will be a soccer school, sadly overshadowning basketball , who cannot catch a break. , 

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

Nah, boxing and MMA are still around. Football isn't going anywhere

2x account suspension survivor 

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stxbuck's picture

Futbol is the world's favorite sport b/c kids in 3rd World countries w/out TV can kick around a coconut or ball of rags and play soccer. Once Nigerian and Caribbean immigrants come to the United States, they-and their offspring-convert to the real thing. Just ask Jeffrey Okudah.

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saintstephen11's picture

I can't decide which is the most boring thing to watch on TV ... soccer, golf or auto racing.  I'm going with soccer.

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mmp15f's picture

This opinion of mine might be a little extreme, but I don't think Borland has ANY chance at starting or even splitting time at any of the LB positions next year. 

First of all--there are about 6 linebackers on the roster who are far more physically gifted than him

Secondly--these 6 linebackers will be getting coached up by far better coaches this season, which will take their games to the next level

Lastly--Al Washington doesn't care about how good of a teammate, or how likable of a kid Borland is

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osu_nerd's picture

I hate Saturday night games.

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BodyBuilderBandDaddy's picture

Please choose one answer:

Because...

  • A. My Mom makes me go to church
  • B. My wife/girlfriend makes me go to church
  • C. I'm so close to asking out this lady at church
  • D. I work on Sundays 
  • E. I go to church (for one of the above reasons) and I work on Sundays 
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CedarBuck92's picture

Ill take option F. I work Saturday nights. 

For this reason I prefer Noon kickoff. Followed by night games and I hate hate hate 3:30 kicks because they interfere with my pre-work nap. 

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osu_nerd's picture

I hate Saturday night games.

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jpfbucks01's picture

The most important person in the history of the University and that includes sports was William Oxley Thompson, who was president of the university from 1899 to 1925. He was responsible for 5 major events that shaped the future of the college far more than any coach or player

1) He led the effort to get OSU recognized as the flagship University of the state system over Miami OH

2) Led the effort to get OSU into the AAU in 1916

3) Led the effort to get Ohio Stadium built

4) Helped lead the effort to move OSU from the OAC back to the B10 - up until this point OSU ranked 50th nationally in Win pct

5) Hired John Wilce as HC upon the move to the B10 and he lead the team to their first 3 B10 titles

The combination of these things is what put OSU on the map and started what we know today as OSU football. BTW enrollment under his leadership grew 1300%

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LCT's picture

He also has officiated God only knows how many wedding dry runs posthumously.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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WesBranscum's picture

1) Urban covered up Hernandez's crimes while at UF
2)McCall is OVERRATED
3) I believe that Herman was pushed to Houston because of his behaviors. Smith caught a break, not because of Earl Bruce, but because he threatened to expose Meyer's Florida mishandlings
4)Kerry Combs was a good recruiter, okay coach. Talent bailed him out.
5)Jim Tressel cared more about the Rivalry. Meyer was more verbal about it.
6) Day does not have resume to be a head coach at this time for a program larger than mid-B1G level
7) Day hire will bite OSU in the ass
8)bigger isnt better,see Ohio Stadium
9) the next coach to win a NC at OSU will not be Day.
10) Berry should have not been a wing/TE or starter
11)Zeke's an asshole and should have been suspended multiple games from stories I've heard from a former lady friend

WesBranscum

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Hernandez didnt kill anyone when he was at UF.

"I find your lack of kalua disturbing" - Darth Lebowski

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stxbuck's picture

That's b/c the ER docs saved the life of the dude he shot.....................

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Jay_sizzle's picture

“From a former lady friend” aka you made that up ... & urban didnt cover up Hernandez’s crimes ..... everyone knew but willingly chose to ignore it , hence why Patriots drafted him & KNEW

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Thedrw's picture

Our fans whine just as much as Penn State's

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Bucksknowwhatitis's picture

1. I’m tired of the OH-IO chant. It’s obnoxious. 

2. Away games are better than home games fans who travel to away games I’ve found to be more passionate.

3. JT Barrett is not overrated. 

4. I think we still win against bama in 2014 if JT is the starter.

The Future is Bright at Ohio State

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High St Heismans's picture

Bucksknowwhatitis

1. I’m tired of the OH-IO chant. It’s obnoxious. 

That and "Hang on Sloopy" is the sappiest,limp dick limerick ever."Across the Field" or Buckeye Battle Cry" are great but not that

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The Cynic's picture

Urban was a great recruiter and a mediocre coach. He trusted his QBs to run more than his RBs. And playing Barrett in 17 instead of Haskins was a huge mistake. I’ll miss his recruiting, not his play calling.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Yeah 86 wins is so mediocre these days. He sucks for not winning all of them. Such a shitty coach.

"I find your lack of kalua disturbing" - Darth Lebowski

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stxbuck's picture

Who was a better in-game coach-take recruiting out of the equation-Tressel or Urban? Just curious about your opinion.

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GoBuckswin's picture

MSU totally outplayed us in 2015 and should have won by more than a FG at the end. Yes, I know it was pouring rain for 90% of the game and Zeke was not 100%. However, after seeing Alabama toy w/ MSU in the playoffs, I did not think we would have beaten Alabama either. Maybe put up a better game, but not won. I know we had a TON of talent on the roster, but they did not play like a team.

Also, I hate it when we lose our guys early to the NFL. I will always remember the players that stayed for their entire eligibility as true Buckeyes and not so much the guys that leave early...

Bucks fans in Mass

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Swaggy's picture

1) Ryan Day will be more of a savage than Urban was.  He didn't like what he saw in the QB room and went out and got HIS guy.  He will not struggle with loyalty in the least.

2) Along those lines, don't buy the stories of last years now defunct assistants being given the option to stay on.  Schiano, Grinch, Davis and Taver were all shitcanned accordingly by Mr. Day.  None of those guys could've stayed on even if they wanted to.  I know for a fact that Taver was told that his "laid back and relaxed style would not mesh with the new staff". 

3) I know that Ryan Day says he will call the plays but SHOULD (and most likely WILL) give Kevin Wilson full autonomy over play calling.  If this happens Ohio State will find themselves in either Atlanta or Glendale on December 28th as a CFP team.

4) Greg Schiano didn't give two sh*ts about making Ohio State's defense better last year.  This was evident in his demeanor and his arrogant attitude during press conferences. After the Tennessee fiasco he felt that he deserved a head coaching gig and that consumed him all of 2018.

5) Bill Davis is not solely to blame for the defense last year.  I do NOT think he is a very good coach and he did not develop the linebackers but the performance of the defense lies at the feet of Urban and Schiano.  Davis did not make personnel and scheme decisions and the decision to start Borland/Werner and walk the linebackers to the LOS was all Schiano.

5) I hopped off of the Urban bandwagon after 2017.  The team was totally unprepared against Indiana that year and put on an absolute shitshow against Oklahoma AT HOME.  Had Baker and the Oklahoma O not shot themselves in the foot they would've put up 60+ that night.  I can't even imagine how bad things would've gotten if the home team would've gotten blown out in the Shoe...AT NIGHT.

6) JT Barrett couldn't hit concrete if he fell out of a car

7) As another poster said Urban had no idea how to utilize a Dwayne Haskins offense as he was so used to running his QBs into the ground.  Watching Urban put Tathan in as the goal line QB to fix the fractured run game was comical. Had Ryan Day not been the playcaller last year things would've gotten UGLY VERY FAST.

8) I completely understand and sympathize for Urban's cyst.  With that being said it was clear he let the stress of the game and outside circumstances get the best of him.  You would never see Saban or Dabo slam their headset after every busted play or mistake their players made.  They also never carried the baggage that Urban had throughout his entire career.

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LCT's picture

100. All of it.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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mmp15f's picture

Couldn't agree more with #3...Wilson is arguably the best OC in the country. I'm okay with Day and Wilson continuing to work together like they have been for the last 2 seasons, but I think the best option is to make Wilson the sole OC. 

Don't want Day as the sole play-caller, and Yurcich has a good resume but he's not Kevin Wilson

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Bringthejuice's picture

here's my unpopular take...i think some people (including myself, at times) could probably benefit from spending less time on this site and more time doing other, healthier, more productive things

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WoullyBear's picture

Late to the party here but figured it was a good time: I don’t get why everyone has anointed Chris Olave as a Belitnikoff winner off of one game 

If Ann Arbor is a whore, what's Harbaugh for going back to her?

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BoohBah Buckeye's picture

Ryan Day will expose the weaknesses of the prior OSU coaches including Urban, Woody, Cooper etc. by focusing on a QB system and ruthlessly discarding and hiring anyone who can help the cause.  He'll ultimately replace Saban's brand in time by this focus.

In time football will evolve beyond our recognition to solve for the concussion/brain injury problem associated with the very nature of the sport.  

Technology will supplement and largely replace on controversial and missed calls in football and it will be a good thing for the sport.

 

 

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MongosMagic's picture

1. There should have never been a "QB controversy" on this site during JT's final year.  It was the right decision to start JT.  In fact, JT should have been the guy from the start in 2015.

2. Urban interviews suck.  He has never been genuine.  

3. I cheer for Michigan during their OOC schedule.

4. There was no better candidate for head coach than Ryan Day.

5.  Zeke's parents following him to Columbus is weird.

6. I'm glad Tate left.  We were never going to win anything meaningful with him.

7. Our black uniforms suck.  Never wear them again.  

8. ESPN loves tOSU.

"Mongo only sausage in bowl of soup"

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Rascall's picture

1. I think it shows some buckeye fans true football IQ when they continue to claim "everything will be ok" 5 or 6 games into the season when there are multiple glaring problems from players, coaches, schemes and so on. It surprises me how often it happens.

2. Ryan Day has given me every reason to believe this team will improve from day 1. Not sustain but improve as a whole.

From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I shall not put.

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Guts's picture

Of course. Because apparently you can't complain about or criticize a team unless you're a coach. You always get one of the following responses.

  • I think coach [insert name] knows more than you do. You're far too stupid to be commenting on this subject.
  • You're a bad fan in a spoiled fanbase.
  • Everyone has a bad game we beat [cupcake team] a lot, to not a lot. Just wait we'll run [elite powerhouse program] off the field.
  • Or [insert inaccurate weenie arm QB whose lost a few steps due to injuries here] has padded stats against cupcakes and he's the best player in school history. He'll come in clutch against [elite powerhouse program]. 

Only to suffer an embarrassing and entirely avoidable loss due to what the "bad fans" have been complaining about.

TL;DR

I feel your pain.

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