So at they want to be cutting edge and that they will try a number of different things this year and the article headline is about qbs being under center. Who would have thought qbs under center would be considered cutting edge.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
Last season I was listening to an interview where someone said that a team was going to load up on TE/fullbacks/RB and just pound the rock up the middle. The spread offense is causing defenses to focus on speed, basically playing undersized LB and safeties. When every offense in the NFL is trending towards the spread, the Patriots decided play old school smash mouth football on the way to a championship. Like you said, its a wild world where taking snaps under center is cutting edge.
Pretty sure that "pounding the rock" didn't work this past season for TTUN...
You mean the run on first/second down and try to convert a 3 and 7 technique doesn't work?
But, I like running shotgun on 4th and one EVERY FREAKIN TIME.
With no backs in the backfield also!
It's funny how so many things are cyclical. As a kid, I remember being in a shotgun formation was the exception, never the rule. Even shotgun formations started with the quarterback being under center, then moving back, indicating a "for sure" passing play. I can't see how a mix would hurt, so long as all the exchanges are done well.
1971 "Shotgun? Who do they think they are? New York Jets?"
Remember when every defense ran a 3-4, until Da Bears popularized the 4-3 under Ditka? Now, most teams run a 4-3, and the 3-4 is the exotic one.
The Buckeyes ranked second in football in total yards per game, but they were very one dimensional. On a critical third and 2 against (for example) Alabama or Clemson, I would not have felt confident that they could run the ball and pick up the first down. We had a great passing game, but I think some balance would make the overall offense even more lethal. For all intents and purposes, OSU was similar to an air-raid style offense last year, all pass all the time.... but with better talent. I like the idea of having at least some plays run with the QB under center, it keeps the defense a little more unsure.
On a critical third and 2 against (for example) Alabama or Clemson, I would not have felt confident that they could run the ball and pick up the first down.
If we are talking about the recent 3 seasons, I would agree with you. If I had Cardale and Zeke in the backfield, with the 2014 O line, I would not hesitate (within reason) to run on 3 and 2 or even 4th and 1 on Bama and Clemson. Not hesitate at all.
I’d say last season was the only time I wasn’t confident. I don’t think there’s ever been a 3rd and short or 4th and short when JT was in the backfield that I wasn’t confident he wouldn’t get. Everyone knew what was coming, and often which hole it was going to, but could never stop it. JT always got the yards needed.
Good point....I would assume the stats overwhelmingly support your theory. I know the Michigan defenses would agree, LOL.
I think it makes sense to have a package for short yardage/goal line situations. I like the spread, but designed QB runs don't always have to come out of the shotgun.
The play action is the biggest thing for me when going under center. I can’t even consider shotgun play fakes legitimate because the linebackers hardly ever get sucked in. Against Oregon State, Day ran a lot of pistol bootlegs that resembled more of a under center play action and it was very effective. This is going to make the Buckeye offense more balanced and I am in full favor of it.
This is definitely where I parked my car.
Agree. Case in point: Troy Smith to Teddy Ginn on 3rd (or was it 2nd?) and short in the GAME for a TD in 2006 !!!
Hope to see more under center for sure. Could you imagine Fields coming off a play action under center and taking offf.... I cannnnnn.
Watching Joe Burrow play at LSU last year made me think that there were some short yardage, bootleg, and deep play action that was really missing from our offense with a QB like Haskins. Their Oline was terrible and their playcalling suspect, but they were good at that.
Day tried to work some of that in, and it was effective. I just don’t think it’s a set of plays that made Urban comfortable overall.
It may have been predictable that 3 &4,3,2,1 was gonna be a JTB run, but it almost always worked...which is pretty impressive since everyone knew it was coming. So, I don’t get the hate for it. JTB was amazing at getting that 1st down, which is the primary objective.
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And so forth...
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I'm all about getting more plays under center. Downhill running form the RB's as opposed to taking a shotgun handoff, more effective play action, bootlegs for both pass and run with an athletic QB like Fields, QB sneaks, etc... Let Dobbins and Teague get a full head of steam when they hit the hole and I bet we get more chunk plays in the running game. I'd like to see 50% of the offense under center.
I remember a certain play action pass from under center quite fondly...
I still remember being at this game. I was up in C section but noticed that Ginn was lined up at TE and started jumping up and down screaming it's a fake. What an amazing game.
You couldn't have scripted that play any better. Troy sold it perfectly and caught the defense napping as a result.
Ahh yes, back when highlight videos used jams from bands like POD.
It’s like any other formation, if you use it, it has to mean something. Not every snap under center can be a hand off and not every snap under center can be a pass either. If you use it as a part of the offense it shouldn’t just be a gadget
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
Agree. The wildcat with Braxton Miller went from being a lethal TD play......to 2nd and 10, with painful regularity.
IMO, it's a must for short yardage and goal line situations. Not using it was my biggest pet peeve about Urban's offense.
No NFL team is exclusively shotgun. Incorporating that skill into the offense is one more recruiting reason to come to Ohio State.
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QB SNEAK THE DAMN BALL
What is the thing that keeps us ahead of everybody else
This is the crux of the biscuit. Strategy is an ever evolving idea.
The 4 and 1 from the shotgun drove me crazy.
Love the idea of going under center for QB sneaks. I'd prefer to stay in either shotgun or pistol sets throughout drives though to keep the continuity of the snap/exchange.
I still think adding some 21 personnel sets out of the pistol would be a good idea--I could definitely see Berry as a fullback in those formations. That would be beneficial for a more downhill running game, a more effective play-action passing game that could effectively utilize bootlegs, and it would still allow for the possibility of zone reads so defenses wouldn't be able to completely ignore that possibility like they would be able to if the QB were under center
I cannot believe this program has elite level athletes and Ryan Day has to question whether these guys can grasp learning how to take an under center snap.
I started playing qb in the 3rd grade. I can assure you, it’s not that difficult to figure out how to handle the snap and take the appropriate steps to handoff/fake to a rb and set up to throw.