What a comeback! That’s the kind of heart and toughness we’re going to need to show in our first round loss of the NIT.
I’m extremely proud of the guys for that comeback, but there is still a part of me that is pissed at their effort before the run and the anticlimactic overtime ending.
Let’s see if they can pull out a win against Indiana.
This is definitely where I parked my car.
There was nothing wrong with their effort... the problem is they lack confidence and play scared which causes bad shots ,mistimed shots . This team does not lack effort , mostly confidence and talent is what is lacking.
Earlier in the season I would agree with you, but I think in today’s case their lack of confidence directly correlated with their effort. Zero back cuts, zero movement, the defense in the beginning of the second half was pitiful. I think it was fairly obvious they lulled themselves into giving in.
That being said, their effort came in a big time spurt today, and I think that is another issue with this team. Inconsistent effort, hopefully, is due to the lack of age and maturity.
Holtmann is blind. No excuse for Ahrens and Washington playing as little as they did in the first half. The comeback doesn't excuse his horrible lineup decisions
Yup, there certainly needs more blame placed his way. His rotations are extremely confusing. The best basketball players need to play.
Also, when we were down by 2 pts in OT 69-67 with 37.6 seconds to go, we shouldn't have fouled there. You have to consider that we're a better defensive team than we are on the offensive end.
Also, a really bad foul by Jallow with 2:01 to go in OT.
I'd rather be a minute early than an hour early, 'cause I like to procrastinate.
Or they should have fouled Happ when he had the ball moments earlier. A little hack-a-Shaq on the horrendous free throw shooter.
Class of 2010.
If one wishes to be critical of the coaching they can look at the last thirty seconds of regular time and wonder exactly what he was attempting to do. Please don't run the clock down to six seconds before even getting into your offense, it's idiotic. Sure, take the last shot unless it's a lay up but start the offense sooner, give yourself a chance.
Offense was initiated earlier, Wisconsin just gave their extra foul at 6-7 seconds. Get your facts straight before you decided to criticize people.
Not a single player on this team has been consistent on offense this year. We have no one who is good off the dribble and we aren't a terribly good 3 point shooting team and without kaleb have no one who can score in the post. I understand its a coaches job to try and overcome those deficiencies, but there is only so much one can do with this lineup.
That was an amazingly tough game and comeback with so little talent.
But how do you not get the ball in Ahrens hands at least once in OT? They air balled three times and then laughed. Why the heck are you laughing?
If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die.
That's what's annoying. The brain dead lack of focus at times.
Doubled up at 42-21 and Ahrens on the bench I turned it off. If the dude isn’t the dog house, WTf is going on. Can you imagine if someone had a bet on the game? Probably stroked out either way.
If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.
No leadership on the floor brutal down the stretch…. someone had to get into Woods face and say we don’t need the hero ball…. Woods wasting 5+ seconds off the clock because he didn’t want to foul out was the nail in the coffin… Give me a time machine and let CJ drive at the end of regulation… that’s bball 101… score, drive and dish or drive and get fouled… dribble and shoot a 3 just bad bball...
Bring on the Hoosiers..
To be fair, at the end of regulation, they were giving him the three, dribbling into it is usually a quality shot, and Jackson has hit that in the past. He just unexplainably airballed it.
Just math to me.... three options to score when you drive vs one when you don't...... and they were giving him that look for a reason... Not to mention almost no chance of a rebound put back on 3 because the board ends up much further from the hoop.. If you are going to take a 3 then do it at the buzzer. He got lucky he didn't leave them with 4 or 5 seconds... just bad basketball imo....
Bad set. It was a bad set. No excuse for that. If you spread the floor, like they did, CJ has to drive it. A 2 pt shot is always going to be a higher percentage shot than a 3. We weren't down, the game was tied.
If you give him a ball screen, and pick and roll you at least have a player or two going to the hole, the guy setting the pick and the player with the ball. And it frees up 3 pt shooters on the wing or back out top.
Woods gunning it late and CJ playing hero ball then missing foul shots. .
Too bad because the comeback was there for the taking
Season's almost over. Getting closer...
"Medicine is not a science" - Leo Spaceman
Thank goodness we have only a few more showings of C.J. Jackson and Keyshawn Woods. Absolutely garbage players. C.J. chucking up that air ball sums up his legacy.
I thought CJ played well in this game. But that final shot in regulation was a poor decision. That ball has to go to the rim.
Final shot of the half was no better traveled all of 18 feet for a 23 footer.
Oh and the key free throws me missed after he decided to play hero. .
Focusing on the positive, and admire the fight they showed after a first half where they could have packed it in for the day.
Thank you, seniors.
I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...
Last possession of the game you get Washington in and jallow out. Spread the court and dribble drive kick out to him or Ahrens. Instead you let Jackson dribble out the clock and shoot terrible airball from three.
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
Rough way to lose a comeback bid...ouch.
Lets get better and learn from this game. We need to win a couple in BTT.
Lets Go Bucks!
I hope Gaffney can get Diallo to become a Buckeye!
I love Holtmann and I'm excited to see what he can do with next years squad but with that being said the lineups he puts out there sometimes just blow my mind.
Also hate to say it but I'm glad I'm not going to have to watch Woods in that jersey for much longer. He was depth and would have never come close to getting a scholarship had some other recruits jumped at the opportunity.
"I've had smarter people around me all my life, but I haven't run into one yet that can outwork me. And if they can't outwork you, then smarts aren't going to do them much good." - Woody Hayes
While they made a great comeback effort you are not going to win many games shooting 33%. I am no young Buck but could someone tell me when was the last Buckeye team that shot so consistently poorly?
I understand riding that line up until the last possession. You have one guy who can get to the rim on Washington and you leave him on the bench. And what even is that play call? Go back to the Indiana game and run that set.
jackson standing around for 20 seconds and hoisting up a 3 when you don’t need it?
Holtmann has not shown the ability to get situational lineups during critical points during games all year.
Yeah. He's won a ton, but has me scratching my head a lot this year. Hope it's more that the older guys are just doing their own thing rather than a lack of control overall (example, Jackson fouling at the end of ot)
Your comment about getting Washington in the game is a valid point. It's also on the assistant coaches to bring that to Holtmann's attention to get the right lineup on the floor.
And why not give CJ a ball screen? Jallow could have set that screen if you're going to leave him in the game. Jallow screens and rolls to the hoop for a tip-in or you can ball screen with Ahrens for a pick and pop. With what they ran there was NOBODY there for a rebound and having Jallow on the perimeter in the far corner makes zero sense.
That particular lineup just went on a 27-4 run. They were scoring, and scoring well. I perfectly understand it, why in the world would you change what has been perfectly working.
Its called situational strategy- offense/ defense. Get the best offensive player in the game for the last possession.
So putting in a guy who’s cold and hasn’t played in 20+ minutes of real time is clearly the better decision than riding with the hot lineup that’s been going off offensively (27 points in about 6 minutes) and playing fantastic? Got it.
Valiant effort today, and helluva comeback all things considered. Would've been much more noteworthy, had they completed it.
The team is in free fall with Kaleb's suspension, and the committee is likely to switch them with Indiana, and go from last 4 in, to first 4 out.
Make preparations in advance. You never have trouble if you are prepared for it.
Andre Wesson is like -60 when he has been on the court the last 3 games. He is awful. But you bet Holtmann will start him against Indiana. And Washington and Ahrens will be on the bench and they will get behind by 10 points again in the 1st half. No doubt.
Awesome comeback. I’m a little confused as to how a bunch of guys that have spent their entire lives playing basketball are this bad at putting the ball in the hoop, but oh well.
Good heart today, go bucks.
What we have currently available is what we have available.
C.J. and Woods are very dumb players. The last possession of regulation and the whole OT was a clown show.
Not sure what Duane did to sit out almost the entire end of the game???
Still think tOSU is win and in vs IU.
Jackson provided more scoring than anyone else so you can't be too hard on him, but a point guard who can't make free throws is awfully demoralizing.
No congratulations for putting in 10 minutes' worth of effort in the home finale.
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
29 seconds left on the shot clock and the guy makes an airball three when he only needed one point to win. Yes, I can blame the game on CJ at the end. Agree with you a point guard unable to make critical free throws is demoralizing.
Glad CJ and Woods are gone from this team.
I think he’s still hurt. He wasn’t making shots he normally makes.
I long for the days of an Ohio State basketball team worthy of watching....
Gee, do you mean all the way back to..... Last season, when they unexpectedly finished in 2nd place in the B1G? Or earlier this year, when -- despite being pick to finish in the bottom of the League and widely-assumed to have zero chance to make the NCAA tournament -- they ran off an impressive string of wins and reached the Top 12 in the country?
Some of you "fans" have extraordinarily short memories, and wildly unrealistic expectations. If tOSU makes the tournament -- which I believe will happen if they beat IU -- Holtmann will have earned every penny of his salary. Anyone who expected more than that, with the current roster, is delusional.
I hate everything about playing Wisconsin. So infuriating. Hate their flopping and whining, but so proud of the comeback our guys showed.
Need at least a win against IU in the B1G Tourney if they want to hope for a bubble bid. Next year is looking bright!
Not sure you watched this game at all. There was not any flops and did not see 1 player whine. They play smart and tough. Happ would eat Kaleb for lunch.
I think what he is talking about is how Wiscy raised the basket to 11 feet on us. Also,looked much smaller in diameter...for BOTh halves.
If we win on Thursday we get Sparty. That’s not ideal.
Just beat IU. Really glad we drew them as they will be viewed as a much better win than any other bottom dweller. An easier matchup than Illinois or PSU too. It is also dangerous to play a team w/ nothing to lose, while IU might be tight.
Not easier than either PSU or Illinois, they are hot right now.
Have you watched PSU play, I think they are even hotter and for a longer duration.
Underwood’s style is like kryptonite to this TO-prone team that can’t create shots.
To all those throwing Holtmann under the bus, are you basing your opinions on the whole game of players (including defense, rebounding, game smarts, etc) or just the scoring of the guys who you think should have gotten more playing time?
Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !
Not throwing him under the bus, but there games in a row we haven't scored a basket prior to the first tv timeout. I gotta put that on the coach for not having a go to play drawn up and ready, or a TO to settle the kids, or something to get the offense going. We see they can score at times so despite a lack of talent, this is not a co-rec squad. He squeezed blood from a turnip last year (granted with KBD), just seems bewildering why this year was so much worse down the stretch. Maybe there was less room for this team to improve compared to opponents. I don't think we've had a lead since the Iowa game. I put a lot of that on coaching. Happy to see what happens next year, but less convinced of his in game ability than his recruiting skills.
The final play in regulation was bad though. Really, really bad. And they even had a timeout before the play to get their focus on it. Bottom line that ball has to go the rim for a shot or a tip-in or you have to get fouled.
Yes, go to the rim or draw the foul. I just want to know the play called by Holtmann at the end of the game.
We have no idea ( nor will we ) what Holtmann drew up. Only thing we know for sure is Holtmann had them bleed clock before they got into the play... very easily could be Jackson just went off script and tried to play hero... really have a hard time believing we called a timeout for dribble around and jack a 3...
We had a great comeback, kids showed heart and all we do is criticize the seniors and coaches. It's been a tough year, but still behind these guys because they always work hard and that was not the case the last few years with Matta's team
Only they don’t always work hard and love to smoke and joke on and off the court.
Going to miss seeing Jason Singleton behind the bench. What a fine player he was.
Need to see if he has any eligibility left.
Yes, he was. I’m wondering how he is getting these jobs with his lack of smiling/personality.
I like what Holtmann did in addressing the crowd when that mini basketball was thrown on the court.
Well as has been pointed out by several others, we saw plenty of things that are basically inexplicable, but we also saw that when these guys are clicking with each other they can bring it. But they haven't been clicking much lately, and that is inexplicable. I just think they get pushed around and that makes it hard to make things click. Next year will be better especially if Kaleb can get himself together.
Ahrens needs to work on his defense. He consistently gets beat on the backdoor cut losing sight of his man. He turns the wrong way. Woods is just as bad. For being a 5 year player he's never learned the basic fundamentals of playing defense. Fortunately, he's gone in a few weeks.
"We're going to give the ball to dumb-ass and grind meat"--Woody Hayes
Ahrens needs to work on his defense.
He's not alone. Good defense is an important factor in Holtmann's program. So poor defense doesn't get one off the bench much. Team defense overall was not bad:
OSU was 5th in the B1G in Scoring Defense (65.7 PPG) this season and 6th in Field-Goal Percentage Defense (41.7%). These overall figures (and Points In the Paint) would be better if opponents hadn't scored so many open layups after Buckeye turnovers.
BTW, OSU was 12th in Scoring Offense, and 9th in FG% at 43.4%
Also, OSU was last in the conference at blocking shots (2.1/game). If they blocked more, that almost surely would have lowered Scoring Defense and FG% Defense.
If Holtmann lands Diallo, that may help.
Impressive run to close out regulation, too bad they couldn't finish it after such a valiant effort to tie it up. I didn't expect them to get within 20 points, so it was exciting to see them close it out like they did. Indiana is playing well and is much more offensively skilled, but why such an average season? It'll take all they have to beat them again, they're both playing for their ncaa lives.
I wonder if osu will play post season if they don't make the ncaa, or will they call it a year and be done with it? Maybe they beat iu and it's moot.
I'm as critical as anyone of coaching choices, but I really don't get the criticism over the last shot. We made a smart decision to go a little early believing Wisky would foul and they did with about 7 seconds left. Still enough time to get a decent shot off. Its too easy to switch and double team with that short amount of time left, so you give the ball to your best one on one guy and let him try to get the last bucket. We don't really have a go to guy, so Holtmann went with the senior who was having the best game of anyone on our team by far. Wisky backed off significantly and he had a wide open look at a pull up three. He just didn't get a good handle on the ball before putting it up and he missed badly, but it was a pretty good look.
Now, personally, I may have gone to Woods in that situation. He's not as quick off the dribble, but seems to have a better knack for making the pull up/fadeaway 15 footer. However, he was being guarded by a bigger guy and it would have likely been a difficult shot. I've got no issues with the shot we got given the personnel on this team.