D.K. Metcalf Is WAY Overhyped

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BuckeyeChief's picture

One might say he will only be good at running a 9 ROUTE!

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I saw that and thought the exact same thing. Straightline, heading down field, he's pretty damn good, but how's he going to do laterally? Fighting sideline to sideline? If I were a GM that would be weighing heavy on me if I needed a WR and he were there.

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iwearatophat's picture

Yeah, the cone and 20 shuttle indicate he is slow coming in and out of his breaks.  Scouting report on him was he is a poor route runner which those two stats would back up.

People compare him to Julio and Calvin Johnson.  Julio crushed the cone drill.  Calvin Johnson never did those during his draft prep but his route running was spectacular and he produced with a QB that threw about as well as Bauserman.  He is more Breshad Perriman or Matt Jones than either of those two.

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huffdaddy's picture

I saw him in a mock draft going to the Raiders at #4 which would be absolutely perfect.

I pretty much guarantee Mclaurin will be a better pro, and will cost about one third as much on the initial contract. 

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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iamcbs's picture

As a life-long Raiders fan(since 1967) I can concur that this is Metcalfe is quintessential "Al Davis" draft pick. Metcalfe gets the Gold Medal in the Underwear Olympics but on the Football Field, he'll be a total bust. I'm hoping the Raiders take Parris Campbell at 24 if he's still on the Board.

The degree of one's emotions varies inversely to one's knowledge of the facts, the less you know the hotter you get!!

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chibucks's picture

flexibility is always an issue when you get that big.  is it a fair comparison to david boston (after tOSU) - will be productive but we'll see.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

David Boston was an elite college WR before he got huge. Actually, he was a very good NFL receiver for a few seasons after he got huge (e.g., 2000 and 2001 with the Arizona Cardinals). 

DK Metcalf’s college production was far from elite. 

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LCT's picture

Bench press is useless as an evaluator for WR prospects, especially in today's NFL.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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Byaaaahhh's picture

He'll have the hardest OPI in the NFL.

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LCT's picture

Raiders it is then.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

He is a classic Al Davis pick.

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bucknut1994's picture

With the 17th pick in the 2019 NFL Draft the Cleveland Browns select DK Metcalf, Wide Reciever, Ole Miss

#94Ways

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Knarcisi's picture

That name takes me back.  3rd and 6 ... Metcalf (Eric) up the middle ...

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Looks like Tarzan..plays like Jane. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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CincyBucksFan's picture

Couldnt agree more, and with this wr draft class being especially deep, I dont know why any team would risk it .

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Hovenaut's picture

Not much for paying attention to the SEC last season (well maybe outside following Jeaux and inescapable Alabama coverage), but I don't even hearing about this guy until recently. 

I think this was covered in a recent Skully, but playing pro ball isn't all about physical gifts. 

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huffdaddy's picture

It's amazing that the Patriots have done what they have done. The NFL is a copycat league. NFL teams copy the Patriots by hiring every one of their coaches. But nobody seems to copy the Pats philosophy of getting unimposing receivers who know how to get to the right spot at the right time and catch the ball.

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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Hovenaut's picture

That's right...and as much as I can't stand Belichick and some of the questionable methods the Patriots have attempted in the past, there's no getting past he gets the team to buy in, play as a team, and in an inspired manner. 

The proof is in the longetivity, and the results. 

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gumtape's picture

Anyone remember Mikhael Ricks?

Here's pretty much all you need to know about Mr.Ricks: He's big. Very big. How big? Well, in his playing days he was 6'5" and 260 lbs. That's the same height as Vincent Jackson....and 30 lbs heavier.  He was practically a taller version of Brandon Manumaleuna.

With the 2nd round pick in the 1998 draft, the San Diego Chargers took the oversized WR out of Stephen F. Austin University and had dreams of Leaf-to-Ricks becoming what Philip Rivers-to-Vincent Jackson has become. It did not exactly work out that way.

High and tight boo boo

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Brandon26841's picture

Are the shuttle times concerning? Of course. But it's not like there haven't been other big bodied receivers have similar shuttle times and find success in the league, and they sure as hell weren't running 4.33's and 230 lbs either. He also slipped a bit on his 3-cone, but he's definitely more of a linear athlete. 

D.K. Metcalf, 6-3 228, 4.33 40, 7.38 3 cone, 4.5 shuttle
Dez Bryant, 6-2 225, 4.52 40, 7.10 3 cone, 4.46 shuttle
Jarvis Landry, 5-11 205, 4.77 40, 7.56 3 cone, 4.59 shuttle
Deandre Hopkins, 6-1 215, 4.57 40, 4.50 shuttle
Robert Woods, 6-0 203, 4.51 40, 7.15 3 cone, 4.47 shuttle

He's risky without a doubt. I'd be pretty fearful spending a top 10 pick on him. But even if his game was straight up just living off of 9-routes / posts he's going to be hard to handle. Get his ass in some yoga classes haha. The thing that annoys me most about Metcalf is people thinking that 1.6% body fat percentage he's reported to have is real.  

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Excellent points and analysis!

Fwiw, though, all five of the “big bodied” WRs you list above had huge college careers. DK Metcalf had a mouse fart of a college career. 

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Brandon26841's picture

Solid point. Look at a guy like Michael Thomas though. He suffered from a production standpoint simply because he played in a run heavy offense that preferred to spread the ball around (more like force feed touches) to a bunch of different people.

Had Mike Thomas went to Oklahoma State or something he probably would have put up some huge numbers.  

If you're taking a WR in the first round there's a 50% chance you're probably picking a bust anyway... might as well gamble on someone with insane potential. Look at some of the 1st round WRs drafted the past 7 years:

John Ross
Corey Coleman
Will Fuller
Josh Doctson
Laquon Treadwell
Kevin White
DeVante Parker
Nelson Agholor (turning out to be solid)
Breshad Perriman
Phillip Dorsett
Sammy Watkins
Kelvin Benjamin
Tavon Austin
Cordarrelle Patterson
Justin Blackmon
Michael Floyd
Kendall Wright
A.J. Jenkins 

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Mortc15's picture

He only played 6 games this past year. If you double his output to get a full season, he's considerably below the top 2 in catches and ends up 2nd in yards. Ole Miss isn't run heavy and he still wasn't even the most productive reciever on his own team. 

Buck-I4Life

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Brandon26841's picture

Depends on how you define production I guess. One could argue he was their most efficient WR. Before he got hurt he was 2nd on the team in catches (26) to Brown (50), but his YPC was way higher (21.9 to 13) and he led the team in TDs. He had 100 less yards on 24 less catches. Brown got lots of easy targets in the slot. For example, McLaurin was way more efficient with his 35 catches this season than Campbell was with his 90 catches (only 1 less TD, 20.0 YPC compared to Campbell's 11.8 YPC). 

It's kind of a pointless debate I'm having. I see what you're saying. 

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Mortc15's picture

I understand the 'efficiency' part of it but my point is, this is guy is a 1 trick pony: he catches deep balls and you hope he can convert them into touchdowns. But he cannot run crisp routes because he's too big to get out of his breaks. That's much easier to defend at the NFL level. 

I think he can certainly help a team out, but at what price? Certainly not worth a 1st round pick to me. 

Buck-I4Life

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chemicalwaste's picture

Agreed about everything. Supposedly 1%-2%. Lowest ever. He died.

Ignorance isn't bliss for the rest of us.

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McGrind's picture

Totally natural...just some protein shakes, tins of tuna and cardio. Lost his nuts in a farming accident. 

ttun 2019 offense...same pig, different lipstick.

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chemicalwaste's picture

Yeah, it wasn't steroids that turned his liver and kidneys into styrofoam.

Ignorance isn't bliss for the rest of us.

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USMC11917's picture

Andrea’s Munzer, believed to have the lowest competing body fat of all bodybuilders ever. Steroid comments are dull, boring and predictable. What is interesting about him is that it is believed that diuretic abuse, items that caused him dehydration, caused him the majority of his health issues. Autopsies uncovered massive amounts of tumors in his system. 

I have dabbled in prohormones under a doctors care due to medical reasons. Everything above board. No amount that would benefit me in any type of competition. It’s funny how many people think that a single pill a day or injection will turn you into Arnold and make you look like a magazine model. Metcalf may suck as a receiver which is the biggest point that the OP is making, but don’t point to his physique and assume he took the easy route to achieving it. He worked his ass off for that, with or without help. I don’t promote unneeded hormone replacement, just like putting other info out there for folks that judge weightlifters. The term “Ahh,steroids” is often used by those that attempt to validate their inferior development with “he’s cheating”.

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cdub4's picture

To be fair, the term "ahh, steroids" is also often used by those who are familiar and educated about steroid use, and how steroids actually work.

Steroids, SARMs, hGH, etc... they work. That's why people use them.. PED use is very high in college and pro football, this really isn't a secret.

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USMC11917's picture

Yeah, they work. To get the results that Munzer achieved and potentially Metcalf (which I'm not sold on) a single pill or low cc shot aint gonna cut it. Work still has to be applied. Muscle must be torn/worked to repair and grow stronger, or so Ive been told. 

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chemicalwaste's picture

I'm not saying the dude didn't work for how he looked. I'm saying he died for it. Steroids won't help anyone who won't put in the work. I'm also not trying to judge the guy for how he lived his life. I'm just saying, DK ain't 1.9% body fat in that picture. And if he was, he needs to rethink things if he expects to live out his rookie contact.

Ignorance isn't bliss for the rest of us.

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USMC11917's picture

My reference was slanted more toward the original person of topic. I think it may be unfair to assume that his genetic gifts are the results of cheating. I was often accused of the same when I was in the corps. never did I partake of anything blackmarket. It wasn't until health issues arose that I did so under a doctors care. So its easy to discredit ones accomplishments by assuming the worst, coupled with no evidence.. Ive seen it done. Show me a failed urine/blood test and I'll jump on board with you guys.

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USMC11917's picture

For what its worth, I don't find his picture all that impressive and he certainly isn't 2% body fat in it. He is also depicted next to man with a much smaller frame. He looks great but not as advertised. His physique is not impossible to achieve with good nutrition, weight training, genetics, and discipline.

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McGrind's picture

I can assure you, I am not one of those people. 

ttun 2019 offense...same pig, different lipstick.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

This kid definitely helped his draft stock but Top 5 pick? If Jon Gruden picks him he will be out of the NFL by the end of next season. Remember when Al Davis took Darrius Heyward-Bey at No. 7 in 2009? Taking this kid in the first round would be worse than that.

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the finkelstein boy's picture

Of course at 7 it was a dumb pick and if I recall correctly, everyone called it that when it happened. However, Heyward-Bey found a way of staying in the league for going on 10 years now. Never heard a bad word about him, outside not living up to his draft position. There's been a lot of 'guaranteed' talent that has came and went in those ten years.

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logamaniac's picture

The bad words about him are “elite catch-rate”

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VintonCountyBuck's picture

Admittedly, I haven't been following him.  But at 6'5 and 235lbs one would wonder if he isn't converted into a wr/te hybrid type player in the NFL.  Antonio Gates and Tony Gonzalez come to mind as TE's known more for their receiving skills rather than their blocking abilities, and he's still got enough size to be able to hold his own against some of the edge rushers that are now in the league.

Not sure that would be worth a top 4 pick though.. But it's the Raiders.  Who knows...

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Brandon26841's picture

He's 6-2 3/4 and 228 lbs, so a bit too small to play TE. 

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VintonCountyBuck's picture

Ok.. well, like I said I don’t know much about him.  Those were his measurements I seen listed on Wikipedia so I was just going by them but I’ll differ to you.  But that is part of why I thought he might make a better hybrid/receiving type rather than a traditional tight end.

“Right now, Michigan is not at the pinnacle of college football, and that’s all Urban Meyer cares about...He’s been there and knows what it takes to get there.” 

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luckynutz's picture

Tomy Gonzalez became a pretty damn good blocker. He wasn't when he came in, but he learned. And was pretty elite as a blocker by the time he was done.

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11UrbzAndSpices's picture

Someone should include this in a Skull Session.

If you laugh, you think, and you cry, that's a full day. That's a heck of a day. You do that seven days a week, you're going to have something special.

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BrutusB's picture

I don't need the fancy radar-chart to tell me he's overhyped. He had 26 catches for less than 600 yards last year. Two years ago, his last full season, he had 39 catches.

But hell, this is a league that drafted Noah Brown, so what the hell do I know.  Go get that money young man.

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Brandon26841's picture

He only played 7 games last season, and played with 2 other good receivers including one that will be picked early in the 2nd round. His numbers project to right around 1,000 yards had played in all 12 of their games. 

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stxbuck's picture

Jussie Smollett says get off the internet w/ that pic.................

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stxbuck's picture

At least David Boston was smart enough to ball out at tOSU and prove his skills before he turned himself into a roid' freak in the NFL

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Ohbucksclan20's picture

Just like obi melifonulu. A workout warrior who gets picked in the 1st. I prefer film and interviews.

Go Bucks!

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BrewstersMillions's picture

Obi was a second.

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PhillyNut's picture

So for context in the 2017 season Ole Miss had all world and September Heisman winner Shea Patterson only completing 39 passes (4th on that team with the top receiver having almost twice as many receptions and yards) to the likely top receiver in this draft who is being viewed like he is Megatron. Got it, both vastly overrated.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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Hanawi_'s picture

What's interesting is how hyped he got compared to Parris. Campbell's number were as good or better in every drill except the bench press, and his shuttle times were excellent. He also was way more productive than Metcalf. Odd that the projections have him going so much higher.

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AC's picture

Its about the eye test (physically) with Metcalf. They claim he has 1.6% body fat and if you look at him he’s built like a Greek god. People look at him, see some of those numbers and then they overreact. 

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

One must acknowledge though, Campbell did have 90 completions.

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Silver Sniper's picture

One must acknowledge though, Campbell did have 90 completions catches.

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CincyBuck's picture

Yeah...  shows how important the NFL Combine has become in the Draft process.  And, IMO, anyone who drafts this kid in the top-5/10 is frigging crazy.

Maybe he just tested poorly in the short-area quickness drills.  And maybe he can rely on other things -- e.g., speed and size -- to makeup for this deficiency.

But when the guy's stats kind of suck, too?  No way.  Absolutely no way. 

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TXNut2488's picture

I think Metcalf is fine, I agree he shouldn't be a top 10 pick, but as noted by others, the lack of college stats don't really bother me. He played with another 1st round pick (AJ Brown, who I think is better anyway) and 2 other guys who might be drafted (WR/TE) and a very shitty QB even after Shea left.

But it is CRAZY that his shuttle time is SLOWER than his 40 time. It's 10 less yards, no way in hell it should be slower. Almost as insane as Rapoport and others thinking 1.6% body fat is a real thing.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

He's an incredible athlete who produced minimally at Ole Miss, now that doesn't always translate as Calvin Johnson played at a school that ran the triple option and he turned out ok.  With that said I am always wary of the combine darling. The best teams are ones that see eye-popping combine numbers and then go back to see what the tape reflect. This idea that guys 'make money' at the combine is a bit false. They get a second or third look as a result of them performing better than expected.

With THAT said, a guy like Metcalf is so physically impressive that someone will take him with a high pick because someone won't want to be the team that missed on the athlete. I'd also bet there is a handful of savvy GM's that know something the rest of their colleagues don't and are more than willing to let someone else take this guy.

Someone will see what he did in shorts and a t shirt and want him, someone will see the same thing and look harder at him, and someone is probably thinking "Mike Mamula was a combine beast too".

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Brandon26841's picture

The best teams are ones that see eye-popping combine numbers and then go back to see what the tape reflect. This idea that guys 'make money' at the combine is a bit false. They get a second or third look as a result of them performing better than expected.

This is totally true. The main point of the combine is the interviews and medical checkups. It's also nice to see what players actually measure in at, but the film still trumps all. The athletic testing at the combine is just one small part of the process.

If a slow guy on tape runs fast (https://www.nfl.com/prospects/zedrick-woods?id=3219574f-4f62-1195-e345-c... - read that scouting report and then the dude goes and rips off a 4.29 haha) or a fast guy runs slow, sure... they'll maybe go back and take a look. But guys aren't jumping up multiple rounds just from the testing. Metcalf has been seen as the #1 WR potentially for a while. 

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BrewstersMillions's picture

Terrell Suggs is the guy that always comes to mind. Anyone watching college football in the early 2000s knew he was the best thing walking. He ran slow and benched poorly and his stock slipped badly on draft day. He only fell to 10 but he was being talked about at #1 all year and his combine hurt him. He is going to walk into Canton and can make a case for the second best OLB of all time.

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stxbuck's picture

He is Jahsaan Cornell's uncle/cousin/relative,fwiw.

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BuckeyeDropout's picture

I'm not really sure about Metcalf. I watched some tape on him and it is pretty much as you'd expect. He's got some pretty good hands and excellent straight-line speed. But, if you watch him run, you can tell the man doesn't have much agility. He runs like a robot.

I think A.J. Brown will blow him out of the water as far as NFL careers go, but I think Metcalf can find a nice role on the right team. I definitely don't see the first round potential, but I'm just a keyboard warrior. 

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

I'm loving this if I have a #10-15 pick in the draft. Keep pushing the combine darlings to make the more proven players available. Some decent team is going to get Ed Oliver and be laughing. 

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MaineStrength's picture

As someone who's been lifting for over 20 years and did my graduate degree in exercise science I love seeing athletes get jacked as much as the next guy.  But unfortunately, rarely are the most jacked dudes the best players.  The Greg Jones, James Wilder Jr, Cameron Wake, Robert Turbin, Nigel Bradham, & Vic Beasley's of the world are rarely the best players.  BTW what's with FSU having so many jacked dudes lol?  As Dr. Stu McGill said:

The best athletes rarely outperform their peers in pre-season testing like bench pressing and squatting. Their distinguishing qualities are motor control. The ability to exert strength quickly, deactivate muscle quickly, and optimally project forces throughout the body linkage is characteristic of this skill.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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Homey1970's picture

Watchu talkin bout Willis?

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Evannati's picture

DK Metcalf is way overhyped ... maybe, but would you tell him that to his face?

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logamaniac's picture

Reminds me of the taylor mays, Brian Cushing pic 

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GunnerBuck's picture

To be fair, his pedestrian stats look that way because he only played in like 7 games. He also had 5 TD's in those 7 games.

With that being said, I also noticed his lack of true agility that everyone else has seemed to miss. He literally had the 3rd worst Cone drill and 4th worst 20 yard shuttle. All 3 Ohio St WR's had better times by a very large margin. Campbell and McLaurin by almost half a second in the 20 yard shuttle and McLaurin almost .4 seconds faster in the cone drill.

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Arsenal7's picture

Whoooooo cares

My god you people get mad at everything

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GunnerBuck's picture

As you make a bitchy post LOL! 

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