To an extent it makes sense. I would rather have Day call plays and simultaneously feel comfortable and build on our phenomenal offense, but I do hope he holds true to his saying this is a year one thing. Call me old fashioned, but I really like the model of head coach as CEO rather than head coach as an overreaching manager haha
Thats funny considering a lot of fans complained that Urban was too much like a CEO.
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The whole reason he retired (he says) is that he wasn't able to just sit back and be the CEO. He kept getting involved in the offense and punching the ground when his QB sneaks didn't work.
One of the most difficult skills for a new manager is to learn how to effectively delegate and hold their people accountable. Failure to do so leads to failure of the manager.
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That’s true but with that being said, I’m ecstatic that Day is calling the plays.
The combination of CEO and chief play caller is a daunting one. Put him on the field and see how he does. That’s all anyone can do at this point.
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Such a perfect answer to give to the media. Be the playcaller with opportunities for his OCs to wrestle the job away from him by proving it during the camps. It allows for continuity in the identity of the offense he has been building at tOSU and that familiarity will allow for the guys to play fast. Looking forward to the wrinkles that Yurcich and Wilson bring in though... so it sounds slightly different from what Urban did, which is to be the primary vs group discussion... here's to seeing a lot of TEMPO!
"I don't apologize for anything. When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes
"trust them to do their job"
If it is good enough for the defensive coaches why isn't it good enough for the offensive coaches? (asking for a friend).
Maybe because he has always called the plays so it was always his job? IDK... he's trusting himself would be my best answer. Can't fault him for that... plus he's not a defensive guy so it's easier to leave that to the 'experts'
Lol, AZ, do you NOT want him to call the plays??
More like, why hire a guy like Yurcich if you aren't going to use him.
I understand what you're saying. I honestly thought that Day would bring in a QB coach who wasn't previously a coordinator because he planned on either continuing to call plays with Wilson or just to let Wilson call the plays. I'm sure Day was transparent with both Wilson and Yurcich about what the plan was for this matter from the start, however, and it seems as if they're both okay with what they'll be doing.
I'm more concerned with not using Wilson than Yurcich though. I have a feeling he'll continue to co-coordinate with Day from the box, but still. He has arguably a better resume than any OC in the country; it just seems like a waste to not use him. If another top 10 or 15 program offered him the job of being their sole OC, I could definitely see him leaving if he feels like he isn't getting enough say here.
Those are just some of my thoughts though. We really have no idea what will happen as time goes on
I agree with your thoughts, Mmp. Another worry for me is that being the head coach can spread a person very thin. I feel that Coach Day is capable of calling the plays, obviously, but if Wilson and Yurcich are formulating the game plan I feel that they would be the most qualified to execute it. Also, with so many people involved in the play calling, tempo will again be out the window for us and we seem to play our best when using tempo. Hopefully things will work out for the best...only time will tell.
We'll get more clarification at some point, I'd assume. You can't really call plays by yourself from the sidelines with zero help from another coach up in the skybox with a better view of the field, so Day will at least be working with someone.
I think Day is aware of the possible problems that could arise and I trust that he'll keep and open mind. Based on the article, it kind of sounds like he actually wants to give play-calling duties over to the other guys at some point. Day doesn't come across as being egotistical, and I know he's aware of what both Wilson and Yurcich bring to the table.
I really do think it'll work out at the end of the day. I understand the concern though. I have a gut feeling that the only two handling play-calling this season will be Day and Wilson, and we know how well that's worked out
Wasn't calling plays what Yurcich was brought in for? And isn't that what Wilson is here for? I mean I won't pretend that last season's play calling wasn't good, it obviously was. But what is the purpose of having all of these offensive minds here if they aren't calling plays? And wasn't the fact that Tress and Meyer calling plays and not delegating a part of the issues people had with them? Head coach is a difficult job, one guy can't do everything! But then again I have no information about the makeup of what guy will do what so I'm just really asking questions that may not have immediate answers.
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Gene Smith needs to get funds approved to knock down some walls and make room for a bigger kitchen. Cuz there are a lot of cooks in that offense's pantry -- if you don't the awkward metaphor. If Day calls the plays this year, it will be his last year in doing so (I would expect) until he hands it over to either Wilson or Yurich (spelling). Those guys won't stay here long just drawing up practice sessions.
Yurcich was also brought in to be a QB coach. Wilson is developing TEs and the Oline. They do have roles outside of playcalling. This is a different situation than Urban calling plays because Urban wasn't very good at it. With Urban in the play calling mix every other play was bound to be a QB run. We have seen great play calling with Day so this is great news to me.
Seems like a first year thing and I like it. I don't mind Day micro-managing the thing he knows best unless and until someone else proves they can do it better.
"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.
I'm inclined to agree with you. This is Day's first gig and he's gonna go with what works until it doesn't. I just hope that at the time it doesn't work it doesn't equal a loss AND that he isn't stubborn if his stuff doesn't work. I love Tress but he was really stubborn about giving up play calling and Urban always had his hands in the clay even if it didn't work.
My first inclination is for any head coach to delegate playcalling to the offensive coordinator/assistants. But I think with having a new QB, some new receivers and other new starters on offense this season is the reason why Day must take a more hands-on approach. He can then turn the offense over to his OC/assistants when he feels comfortable doing so. This approach is better than having to step in and take control if results are not meeting expectations because that probably creates an environment of mistrust.
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The last point you made is interesting and something I never considered. I agree with everything else, by the way.
I'd also add that Day has already called plays as a HC when he did it with Wilson for the first 3 games last season. I highly doubt that Day will be the sole play-caller as a HC from the sidelines. I'm sure him and Wilson will continue doing what they did last season. I was honestly hoping that the the play-calling would continue to be a joint effort between Day & Wilson, so I'm glad to see this; the two of them mesh really well together.
I agree. Plus, Wilson's resume as an OC is actually better than Day's.
Wilson's resume between what he did offensively at Oklahoma and Indiana (as head coach) is unmatched honestly. I've always felt like he hasn't gotten enough credit for how much the offense improved after 2015&2016. A lot of the new concepts that we use were brought by him, and I know that for a fact because I see things we've done on offense the past 2 seasons that Wilson used at IU and OU.
Him & Day just work great together though. I said from the start: I don't care if it's Wilson & Day or Wilson & Yurcich calling plays, but I'd be upset if it were Day & Yurcich. No disrespect to Yurcich--he's obviously a good OC as well. However, having somebody with the accolades & offensive mind of Kevin Wilson on staff and not letting him be involved in play-calling would be a complete waste
I like that Day is not going to just step away from the offense and especially the quarterbacks after what we accomplished last season.
It will be a major balancing act for him, though. Being the full-time head coach at TOSU is a huge job with huge expectations. As he said, he's not going to change things just for the sake of it, but he still needs to establish his legitimacy in CFB. I'm confident in what I've observed so far, but he'll need some signature wins where the whole nation says "Whoa. This dude is for real".
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
Just think, in six months we'll be complaining about Day's dumb calls and demanding he hand over playcalling to Yurcich.
I am not a big fan of this. Not that Day is not able to do it but he should be game managing and then second be involved in what plays are happening. Given there are two OCs, why not let them do it and then Day has the override if he wants it?
Have to wait and see what happens though.
Day should absolutely continue to do what made him a great assistant coach. Players should play to their strengths and coaches should coach to their strengths.
A head coach calling plays isn't that all unheard of, and Day doing it in his first year as HC doesn't surprise me either as it's what he did last year as well. I like that he is still somewhat hands on with the QB's as being the QB guru is kind of what he is known for. As he gets more experience and trust with his new assistants, he'll find more areas he can delegate so that he stay involved with the whole team. Changing everything right away just because roles are different now seems like a more chaotic strategy than what the Bucks are doing.
I always felt Meyer was so involved on the Offense/ special teams, that he stopped paying as much attention to the defense and last seasons product was a result of that. Hate to see Day spread himself to thin worrying about the next offensive series with the defense on the field.
I don't have a problem with this. However I wouldn't mind at all if Kevin Wilson called the plays. The man is an offensive guru.
Arguably the best offensive coordinator in the nation--just look at his resume on the Ohio State website (https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/coach/kevin-wilson/).
I'm sure it'll still be a combined effort between Day and Wilson as it was last season, which I'm perfectly fine with.
I believe that will be the case as well.
Not questioning Day's play-calling ability (which is obviously very good) but it doesn't make a lot of sense to keep two co-OCs on staff together if your HC is in charge of calling plays.
I think we are also seeing some of Day's NFL roots here -- where it is not unusual to see HCs have a strong say in play calling (Andy Reid, Doug Pederson, etc.). This is what he is comfortable with and so it's not a surprise, especially if you believe like I do, that Day, in the long run, has his eyes set on the NFL. It also speaks volumes about his veteran choices of men to run his Defense that allows him to focus on what he knows. I can't shake my head about this ....at least not yet.
Not sure that he's looking to the NFL as the pinnacle for his career. There are a lot of reasons why a college job becomes superior to the NFL. He's landed at one of the premiere programs, compsensation is/will be on par with NFL, and the ability to recruit and develop the best of the best, all can make coaching in college equal to or even better than the NFL. Plus no salary cap.
You could be right, always. But, based only on the schemes he seems to favor and his pedigree (albeit brief) in the NFL, I think that is his destiny. Only time will tell.
I like it. But I do suspect that will start handing the play-calling duties off to Wilson and Yurcich as we get deeper into the season. Once he is comfortable that they will call what he wants.
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yeah I agree there NH. I think he might just be holding the reigns a bit longer for Wilson and Yurcich get comfortable with what his vision for the offense is. Once they see the method to the madness I think we'll see those two take more control. If he weren't a first time head coach and have a lot of new coaches the situation might be different. I trust the man to handle it well.
I'm normally not a big fan of head coaches calling plays. However, he continued calling plays with Wilson during the first three games last year and it went well; the two of them work great together. I'm sure it will be much of the same this season.
I think Yurcich will be more involved in game-planning than play-calling. I also wouldn't be surprised if the duties were handed over to Wilson & Yurcich at some point, however.
I think he's earned the right after putting 62 on Michigan. If I'm not mistaken, the Bucks just scored again.
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While the corporate CEO/COO analogy is not completely applicable with college football, the HC should function much like a CEO, with general oversight and direction, delegating to his OC and DC (and special teams coordinator), the team's Chief Operating Officers, the ultimate responsibility to operate the offense and defense. This is especially important in-game, when the HC should be keeping an overall sense of the flow of the game while the coordinators are actually running the game. Game preparation, in the period before the game, is the time for cross-consultation and getting input from multiple sources. In fact, this is vital. But once the game starts, responsibilities narrow and focus on specific tasks is key. The HC keeps the global picture, the assistant coaches focus on their specific area of responsibility.
The co-coordinator approach to the COO role, which has become common, probably works best if one is on the field and one is in the booth, continuously talking about the game as it unfolds and making the necessary in-game adjustments. The HC is monitoring all this, but, for the most part, letting his assistants run the game. The HC finds the best coaches he can, gives them direction with oversight, but, basically, lets them go.
Difficulties in focus and execution begin, especially in-game, when roles are muddled and the "too-many-cooks-in-the-kitchen" syndrome unfolds, with a lack of direction and less ability to effectively make quick-response decisions.
But, for a first-year, first-time head coach, with only three games HC prior experience, it is understandable that he would tend to keep the most important tasks close, at least at first. However, although not a perfect analogy, ultimately the head coach is the Chief Executive Officer of the team, providing general oversight, and the coordinators are the Chief Operating Officers, providing the specific operating tasks on offense and defense. Just my opinion.
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I hope he finds a way to balance all of this, and still manage the games effectively. I also hope he doesn't end up burnt out by the end of the season. I just wonder what the coordinators think of this, and if he has an ultimate plan here, like building continuity with the coaching staff over the next couple of years. If he's doing all the work, the assistants might not get attention from other schools. Or it could backfire and cause a max exodus. Coaches want to do the job they're hired to do after all. Will be interesting to see how this all pans out.
NFL head coaches that call plays can spend their time watching film. They don't have to recruit or a myriad of other things things demanded of college head coaches.
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This is a gift to fans and critics and very brave and big of Ryan Day. If the play calling is suspect we'll know who's responsible, and Day is telling everyone that the buck stops with him. I like it.
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As a head coach, I would hope coach Day is concerned with about 14 important issues including our changing and vastly improved Defense. Seems like coach Wilson could call a quality game plan with emphasis on what coach Day instructs should be the focus.
What coach Day is suggesting; there may come a time when coach Yurcich may gain his total trust and do the playcalling, with the head coach having the option to intervene and overturn a play at any point. That system has proven effective and gives a coach the ability to widen their viewpoint and observations when the offense is on the field.
If Day is the primary play caller and things don't work out, fingers will be pointed at him for not using Wilson and Yurcich more. If Day delegates to Yurcich and Wilson and things don't work out, fingers will be pointed at Day. As a new head coach, I'd rather have fingers pointed at me for the former, rather than the latter. At least in this case he knows he was more in control of potential blame. Not intending for this to focus on the negative but we all know how it works when the team fails to achieve up to expectations.
I like it. This is the equivalent of him putting a black stripe on the athletes helmets. Let them earn it by working for it and proving themselves. Why shouldn’t a coach who makes almost $1 million have to win the play calling spot just like everyone else on the team, especially since Day has path forward until they do perform to his liking.
I find it amusing that when a coach with a lifetime winning percentage north of .850 was alleged to from time to time "mettle" with the offense (it has been reported that Meyer would make calls in key game decisions), this was seen as decidedly a bad thing. But when a first time HC with three games of experience in that capacity decides he will call the plays, this is a good thing to some. Never forget fan is short for fanatic.
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It actually is kind of funny when you put it that way. However, there are 2 reasons I understand why some didn't want Meyer calling any plays as HC, but would like to see Day continue calling plays as HC.
1) I will say one big difference that should be considered is the fact that Day has proven to be a great play-caller, and Meyer was never even an OC before becoming a head coach
2) Continuity. Our offense has been great the past 2 seasons so I understand why some people might not wanna change our play-caller, especially after what we saw in 2015
Coach Day will call the plays, but that doesn't mean he won't listen to the other coaches, and I'm quite sure that he won't veto everything they suggest. I have confidence that Coach Day will get it right when it comes to play calling.