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I've yet to see anyone put a gun to these kids head and force them to take money. I have a hard time feeling that they are in a system that takes advantage of them.
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Exactly-their family, guardian, whomever-isn't going to get lifetime $$$$ for a year of college-the shoe people are playing upon short term greed. Heck, Zion Williamson committed to Duke right after Kansas publicly announced that he had demanded $100K from the program.
These players (except for perhaps 4 or 5 top players a year) still don't realize that they need to work to get to the NBA and college ball isn't just a nuisance in the way of millions of $$$$ instantly. Of course, idiots like Jay Bilas promote this idea by whining about how 'unfair' the system is when the situation they are whining about is applicable to approximately .25% of all college hoops players-12-15 one and done frosh who get drafted in the 1st round per year out of approximately 4,000 total scholarship players per year.
Paying off the parents, likely the most influential people for these kids? Sure it is.
Eh, that's a pretty narrow scope. Ok, no they aren't being forced under threat of physical violence to take money, that doesn't mean they are playing in a game that doesn't have a stacked deck against them. There isn't a college kid in the world that wouldn't go pro if a top employer in their field called them after their freshman year and said "Come work for us now". That kid doesn't have to say "Oh wait, I can't yet. gotta wait 1 or three years".
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This is the correct view if you ignore literally all possible context.
It is pretty easy to take advantage of the poor and uneducated. Add in being a 15 to 16 year old kid with few life experiences and family guidance, you could influence them pretty easily.
I'm always leery of peeps who get caught acting illegally/unethically then start yapping about how The System needs to change.
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True. It's kind of like how Art Schlichter hit the motivational speaking circuit after he got out of jail, then ripped off a bunch of old ladies in some bogus Buckeye football tickets scam.
Art was just trying to make money. I'm talking more about people attempting to placate a higher power when their ass is on the line.
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Every time they are just saying “I don’t regret what what I did. I just regret that I got caught”
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Are the SEC bagmen next?
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Not SEC, but they couldn’t pin any wrongdoing here around the UNC program. They were fake bribes.
The "kids" are taking advantage of the system themselves or their handlers in some cases.
Let's remember it isn't an NCAA rule that makes guys go to college for one year. They can also go overseas to play for money as well.
I want to see some coaches getting jail time. All these money handlers are just middlemen, errand boys. Pitino, Self and the rest of those self righteous assholes had a big part in all of this. You want to send a message? Jail time and Lifetime bans from college sports. That's a f$&@ing message.
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I've read articles about this and I still don't understand what the actual crime was. So these guys worked to send money to parents/guardians of these players to steer them to wards signing with a certain school. Definitely a violation of NCAA rules, but what are the wire fraud criminal issues? Maybe I'm just being dense here.
I think the NBA rule that players have to be out of HS for a certain time before going to the NBA is absurd, but they should be entitled just like any employer to set the conditions of employment. Players always have the option to play professionally elsewhere, for another league, join the G league, play overseas etc. Players aren't actually forced to play in the NCAA. The NBA is just trying to protect itself from its own teams' stupid decisions (you know, where teams are going to draft a high school junior based on potential, then end up in trouble when he's a bust).
I don't know all of the charges, but some of the charges were for bribing coaches to steer players their way or to particular agents and then the other lesser charge wasn't just paying players/parents for future consideration of their company, but to direct them to a particular college. I agree that if an adidas rep paid the parent of a hs kid to use or endorse their product in the future, then that isn't illegal.
First, lets remember that ESPN is agenda driven. All of their articles will have a slant to that end.
Second, there is corruption in basketball and is starts way before college. I am not going to disparage AAU ball on its merits of giving a kids an opportunity to showcase their skills and improve year over year, but we all know the handling part begins well before colleges get involved. While I blame handlers, there are plenty of kids that don't go that route and steer away from it. Its a personal choice they all make.
Third, as others have mentioned, kids use the colleges as much as the colleges use them. Both sides benefit from college athletics. There is nothing that prevents a kid from not going to college and capitalizing on their image and making money any way they see fit. Colleges give them an image, give them a fan base and a platform to perform on and for that, they get to use that image for the benefit of the school and they themselves get to benefit from that image after they have left school. It is a win-win.
The rise of AAU and the problems Adidas now has on their hands are completely similar. Agree with you, AAU in theory is great, as it brings the best kids in to compete against each other, a lot of times helping the kid that plays for a small school that won't see that type of competition until college. The problem is that AAU has been rumored to start the payments to players and families before they ever enter college. They are recruiting kids to move, paying the parents way, just to have a kid on their AAU squad. Then when someone shows up affiliated with a college, the parents/players are already pre-conditioned to smile and take the money (by money I mean any sort of payment, not necessarily cash).
I don't blame the kids...at 15-18 years old you don't have the mental capacity or reasoning skills to draw a firm line separating right from wrong, especially when your parents are leading the charge toward the wrong side. The parents, the coaches, these are the people that should be held responsible. Not the kid, nor the other 12 kids on his team that had nothing to do with it. Fire the coach, ban them from basketball, and tell the parents that they can either return the payments in full or their kid will not be allowed to play at the collegiate level. Yes the kid gets punished, but they still can go (as mentioned in comments above) the professional route. At least it protects the kids that are left on the team from being punished.
In most cases these kids come from nothing. There parents come from nothing. $100k in cash is several years worth of income. I don’t blame the kids or parents and don’t think they’ve been taken advantage of. I also don’t envy them either. That is just the start of their life being controlled and dependent upon being able to play a sport.
For the colleges and bagmen who deliver the cash,holy hell you have to be the biggest idiot on earth to think you’ll never get caught. Haha I’m sure theee are a handle full of other ones being investigated right now.
Gotta love what fans will do when they get mad someone didn’t committ to their school LOL
My son (8) just finished his first season of organized basketball. County rec league, that my wife and I quickly realized it was a hybrid rec/travel league (age groups from 7 to 18) with a thinly veiled heirarchy among parents and coaches with multiple kids in the system over several years...with the clear goal of regional/national opportunities via the AAU route.
I just wanted my kid to stay busy over the winter, and I don't regret participating (I served as an assistant coach), but was still taken aback at the level of bullshit among the adults, with issues that trickled down to the younger teams...my son's included.
So it's sad to see continued corruption running rampant and affecting these kids. I don't expect my son to turn into a blue chip prospect over the next ten years, but if we continue with hoops we'll likely be looking at a different league that's smaller and with less drama.
So again it's a shame to see the sport in such a negative light.
Is it illegal for a someone to give cash to the owner of a company to influence the hiring of an employee? I wouldn't think so, the question then being why would it be illegal for a head coach to pay a parent to influence their child to attend a college. Against NCAA regulations sir, the law.................?