Lol, choose us or fail. Then there’s also Kyle Kalis.
There is regular failure and then there is 5x Kyle Kalis level failure.
Ahhhh nothing gives me more joy or schadenfreude than when I hear the name Kyle Kalis
Can someone aware me on this fella? The name rings a bell but I don't remember whatever this drama was.
Kallis was an Ohio kid and OSU commit until Tressel resigned. He then committed to UM. But he is despised because he promised "There will be blood on the field" in reference to OSU vs. UM. He never was on a team that beat us.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
It was so much more than that. His twiter spewed nothing but anti-OSU crap and anti-Urban crap. I remember him posting pictures of him burning Ohio State letters. Was so happy to see him lose to us 5 times.
Didn't know those extra details. Wow. I hope he enjoyed seeing TTUN give up 62 points against us when they were favored last year.
Play for Ohio State or lose to Ohio State, as the saying goes.
I'm pretty sure the guy who burned the OSU letters was Logan Tuley-Tillman, which made it even more hilarious when TTUN hired Warriner as he was the one who sent them - I'll be willing to bet that was an awkward first meeting. Kalis was the one who said, "I believe the Michigan-Ohio border is now open." and "There will be blood on the field and it won't be mine. Quote it, let them know."
Pick up your feet, turn your corners square! And DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE!!!
The crazy thing is, compared to the crew above, Kyle Kalis was insanely successful. There's a Bruce Judson every year in college football recruiting.
Interesting how some of these kids don’t pan out at other schools. Almost like Ohio State has a culture that helps kids succeed. Or we just dodged a lot of bullets LOL
I wonder if you are not onto something with your comment of OSU having a culture to help young men grow into successful grown men.
Even more to your point, some of the ones WHO stayed after getting into trouble. Tracey Sprinkle has to be at or near the top of that chain. I had no faith in him turning it around, but he did and flourished all the way to being elected Captain his Sr. yr.
Or guys like Sheffield who didn’t have success at other schools but did here. Antwaun Jackson also
I am convinced that UFM's experience at Florida is a big part of that. He was a very different coach in Columbus from what we saw in Gainesville with respect to his off the field expectations. He is an example of learning from your mistakes.
69 in 18
OSU does have a culture of success and by and large produces success stories. But to be fair, recent examples of not so great outcomes aren't exactly rare: T. Gibson, EGW, B. Snead for example.
Because if you don’t fall in line with the culture we don’t let it fly. I think those guys are more proof that Ohio State makes kids succeed.
Just confirms that grass is NOT always greener on the other side.
I never feel Ill will towards a kid for not choosing Ohio State. Plain students make these decisions with far less impact to their lives and for weirder reasons then even those guys. However, it is nice to know we didn't miss out on any rock stars.
"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted." - George Best
Yikes. The Bruce Judson excuse for flipping seems more of a character issue. Being more humbled and having more perspective would have gave him patience to grow into his new community. Though I offer my best wishes to these young men.
In the poll era (since 1936), OSU is by far the class of the B1G:
National Titles: OSU 8, UM 3
B1G Titles: OSU 33, UM 27
Head-to-head: OSU 42, UM 36
Major Bowls (New Year's Six): OSU 20-14, UM 10-16
It would have been a hell of a story had he not bombed out everywhere else. I remember watching his recruitment circle the drain after he decommitted.
Don't send in your SAT scores, send in your psych profile.
New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.
Maybe the coaches actually know what they're doing and intentionally for some of these bullets.
Ignorance isn't bliss for the rest of us.
Coaches know more than us fans? How is that possible? /s
Didn’t a kid named Lawrence from Mi commit during a visit and flip a few days later? Any info on him?
jamel dean also transferred and that appears to have worked out. Carlton Davis was another one that worked out. Richard LaCounte never committed but he was one who I thought was close based on his relationship with Raekwon. He will be in the NFL and has been fine at UGA. Lonnie Johnson III should make NFL. I think Snead will end up being a stud somewhere. That one stings.
Overall, the Clark, Lindsay, Wallace, etc guys don’t surprise me. Terrel Hall will be an NFL guy who plays for a while. Reminds me of Dunlap for the Bengals.
Lonnie Johnson must’ve had a lot of baggage starting with, presumably, being academically eligible, which is the best guess for why he bounced around so much.
If he was Lonnie Johnson III when he committed to Ohio State, he should be up to about Lonnie Johnson VII by now.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
I think you're thinking of Antjaun Simmons who flipped to MSU. I know hes at least getting playing time and may have even started at LB last year. Wish we held on to Carlton 110% Davis.
That'll be 5 dollars
Lawrence Marshall was a 2014 DE who committed to Ohio State on February 10, 2013, then went to MSU on February 12, then Michigan on February 13 and decommited that same day, went back to MSU on February 15, 19th and 21st—four visits in eight days—made three more visits to East Lansing in March and April and committed to Michigan that May.
I believe the safety that transferred to Duke, Cash, had a great career as well.
MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS
One that’s easily overlooked is Lonnie Johnson, who bounced from Ohio State (committed/decommitted 2013) to Western Michigan (signed 2014) to Iowa State (signed 2015) to Garden City (KS) CC to Kentucky (signed 2017) and is now projected by some draftniks to be a first round pick.
Jaiden Woodbey started as a true freshman this year at FSU.
Forgot about Woodbey and how bad FSU was lol. He started because he was promised that if he flips. The few games I saw he looked okay but didn’t stand out. Willie T will say anything to get you to committ so I’m glad for Woodbey he actually held his promise on starting.
With that being said Woodbey would have been better served long term at OSU even if he didn’t start.
If we're being honest, I could have started as a true freshman at FSU.
And I'm 56.
"It's always scotch-thirty on my island."
I don't know about that IBB; I think you probably would have red shirted; lol.
The only hard day was yesterday
Probably a gray shirt in this case.
Damn right. I worked my ass off for that gray.
Yes, please put on a shirt and don't take it off.
I'd rather be a minute early than an hour early, 'cause I like to procrastinate.
Completely anecdotal hot take, but my experience suggests that guys that flip from any team tend to be less successful than guys that maintain their commitment. I feel like often these guys also wind up transferring as well.
Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.
Ya gotta have at least a little stick-to-it-iveness.
I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.
As a UM fan I recall being very excited about Aubry Solomon. For those that weren't aware he was a 5-star DT from GA and famously said "fuck Michigan" at one point in his recruiting. He wound up going to UM then transferring to UT after his sophomore year without ever doing much. Jordan Elliot was another highly ranked DT that was originally committed to UM and flipped to Texas. He has since transferred to Mizzou. These guys seem to be the sort that relished in their potential as recruits and probably dominated HS competition because they were so much bigger, faster, and strong than the competition, but were never able to adjust mentally to competition in college that did not grant them the same advantages and forced them to work harder for their success. They probably never really received any criticism in HS and were used to being given everything they wanted.
Terrell Hall was a monster coming out of high school. Really wanted him. He was in nick bosas class iirc. Talk about bookends. Good lord.
You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton
Problem with that scenario is Hall/Lewis decommitted (8/3/15) less then two weeks after Bosa committed (7/23/15). That sequence of events suggests Bosa was less concerned with having another top DE in the class as Hall/Lewis might've been.
Fortune obviously smiles on the Buckeyes.
Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.
Appreciate the update on these kids, David. It is interesting to see how they turn out. Amazing, but so not uncommon that many never get past the first rung on the ladder to success. Danny Clark never getting a stat at Kentucky is just, what the.
"Age wrinkles the body, quitting wrinkles the soul" Woody Hayes
Started out as a 5 star and over 3 years was barely holding onto a top 400 ranking in the composite and was almost 600 in the 247 rankings from what I remember.
"Come on, you sons of b!tches! Do you want to live forever?" -- Dan Daly, WWI
Yes, and I believe TOSU really stopped recruiting Clark (he didn't really flip) and he had to move on to UK.
“Being average means you are as close to the bottom as you are to the top.” John Wooden
Urb definitely told him to go elsewhere. I think that’s part of the reason his brother is an early commit to Bama.
Kyle Kalis is by far and away my favorite flip and fail story ..... Never has an individual gone to such extremes to place both feet squarely in his mouth ("there will be blood on the field"), instead of just admitting, "I flat out fucked up" ......
Aside from being swatted around like a newspaper in a wind storm against the Buckeyes, his college career was perfect - for a "Michigan Man" .... Ah, the choices we live to regret in life .....
Never has an individual gone to such extremes to place both feet squarely in his mouth
And head strait up his tookus.
Class of 2001 - classless since then.
Not one of them doing anything well in college so far, with multiple guys already leaving their initial school of enrollment.
I remember getting crap for saying Kareem Walker was overrated before he committed/decommitted as it was clear he was slow and overrated from his film. Not sure why people were so high on him. Doubt he’ll do much at miss st, either.
Only one I truly want on our team is Cox from 18.
Hall/Lewis can eat a homeless mans asshole, trying to recruit for Bama on his visit here. Hell naw
David, what about the offensive lineman in 2012 that reported to fall camp and was sent home a few weeks later after getting in trouble right off the bat for underage drinking? I believe he was from Indiana, last name Anderson?Looked it up it was Timothy Gardner from Lawrence Central Indianapolis. Spent 2 years as a backup OL, followed his former grad assistant to Alcorn State.
The grad assistant who used to drag him to class @ IU. NFL scouts have scouted him @ Alcorn State so he'll still get his shot @ the draft or at the very least a chance to make a roster as a UFA.
This is one reason why I try not to get too caught up with recruiting, especially when a kid decommits.
I actually feel bad for Danny Clark, no doubt he was not going to play at OSU but he never really looked at where his best fit would be, he took what he had left in Kentucky, but probably was a MAC player, hope he does land somewhere he can play
The one on that list that still bums me out is Tyjon Lindsey. He could have been special in this offense. I suppose there is probably more to the story of his de-commitment than we'll ever know though.
Fields of Dreams
Can I just say, I like the article, but the hero image on the homepage is extremely repulsive.
Entertaining read, David. Kudos!
Make preparations in advance. You never have trouble if you are prepared for it.
They chose poorly.
Send the Earth Reverberating
"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University
So none of these guys has done anything in their college careers to make anyone miss them in
Columbus. The "recruiting analysts" create drama for nothing.
Strange, that old Garth Brooks song, "Unanswered Prayers" is rolling around in my ear.
Varys: I've always hated the bells. They ring for horror, a dead king, a city under siege.
Tyrion: A wedding.
Ah what could have been.... Some things are meant to be and some things are not. Will never have negative thoughts about a young man trying to decide where to play football. Best of luck to all. Maybe the Day regime and legacy will further illustrate what a positive place and environment this is.
What was that kids name who father was a rap singer?
Dave in Troy OH
Sentrel Henderson, I think and he went on to play for Miami, I believe ....
How about Danny Clarks running mate Selby tb. may have been his name? I think he went to Pitt from here. Another who was maybe the first to commit to the class from Hubbard and played with Scott. That name escapes me too. I think he landed at YSU not sure he was a db/wr ?
George Hill is the RB from Hubbard you are thinking of, last I heard his football career is over due to a cardiac condition.
We offered Todd Sibley a grayshirt after he had committed. I think that's a different kind of article.
I don't feel bad at all for Danny Clark he never improved and from a couple people told me he was riding on the shirt tails of that offer. His brother is a nice player though but good luck getting him lol
Clark's bro committed to Alabama.
At least guys who commit to Ohio state can say they made one good decision at one point in their life
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
How is class of 2015 decommit, Ben Edward's, doing? I remember his HS FB highlight film was filled with violence.
We couldve used Brenton Cox
Terrell Lewis missed most of 2017 with an injury, also. If he can stay healthy, he will be a great backer. But that is a big IF.
Regarding Clark, according to his and the school's twitter, he signed on with Mississippi JUCO, Co-Lin https://twitter.com/CoLinFootball/status/1093236931637448705
rofl the Browns must be desperate, they signed Kalis to a backup center position...
Cmon Browns he is at most practice squad material... and then just a dumb guy to stand in the way... slow as dirt.
My drunk uncle is better on the field... Well at least the Browns fans can boo him on sunday…
Seriously there are better linemen all over.
I trust John Dorsey