Lots of promising young men. More than a few that, at least right now, appear to be of the can't miss variety. But my concern has grown in recent years with the earlier signings over the late blumers.
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By December they will have already played their senior year. So what’s a late bloomer?
Love the class!! I am surprised you only have 22 commits in as of now! I figured the class would have at least 25 commits. If there was one or two camp offers like a Craig young ,any guesses on who that might be?
Here's my Way-Too-Early BOOOOOM!!! Go Bucks!
I’m curious what you mean by a “typical South Florida recruitment”
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It often means there's more drama involved than you see in many other parts of the country including multiple commitments and decommitments, crazy recruiting videos, Twitter stuff, rumors of this and that.....etc. etc.
Believe that would reference the typical Miami kid who commits/decommits at least twice, makes 3 "silent verbals" and spends every other weekend at "The U" and doesn't understand why the staff of whatever team he's committed to gets upset.
What’s the hold up on OSU offering the Thomas kid from Princeton? I see a couple kids from Ohio in the mix, but will there be more as the year plays out? Any sleepers from the state of Ohio aside from Nick Lachey’s 2nd cousin who is the former 1st round NFL picks son?
"When you help someone up a hill, you get that much closer to the top yourself..."
Any sleepers from the state of Ohio aside from Nick Lachey’s 2nd cousin who is the former 1st round NFL picks son?
I’m not sure I follow your question: are you saying Nick Lachey and Jim Lachey are first cousins? I have never heard that before and when I goggled it, I came up with nothing.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
Nick is Jim’s son
No, Luke Lachey is Jim's son, Nick is a cousin of some sort. Technically a 2nd cousin is your cousin's son or daughter.
Opoops. Correct. My bad.
Technically a 2nd cousin is your cousin's son or daughter.
No. That's your cousin, once removed (one generation off). Anyone you're related to under your grandfather/mother is your 1st cousin, regardless of how far down they are.
Anyone you're related to under a great grandparent is a 2nd cousin. Your father/mother's 1st cousin is therefore your 2nd cousin (while again, you are their 1st cousin), once removed. They are related to you through your great grandparent, so 2nd cousin. But you are related to them through their grandparent, so 1st cousin.
Again, I did a Google search and found plenty of Jim Lachey articles and interviews, including one on 11W from 2009, and there was not one single mention of Jim and Nick being related except for an obscure one-word "yes" on Answers.com, which hardly qualifies as a reliable source.
Newlyweds was one of my guilty pleasure shows back in the day ha
Good stuff. We know this picture will continue to develop over time. I have no worries about the skill positions. That leaves the trenches with OL, DL and LB having my interest the most.
There aren’t many 6-6 DTs and even if Henry adds weight (let’s say he gets up to 280), he could still play DE, which is what he’d most likely be in the NFL. Even if he does become a 3-tech, we’re still going to need a 1-tech hole plugger (or two).
I’m most curious how the DL and LB stories evolve over time—Thomas and Sherman could both become DEs and Trayanum could be a RB—which means we’d need at least one natural born LB, maybe two. Then there’s the slim pickin’s at DT and with only Jaden McKenzie in the 2019 class, I think DT has to be a big priority.
We've done well developing versatility with our DL, converting SDE coming out HS into 3 techs & SDE's in a rotation. Some 3 techs could play DE in a 3/4 D. LJ developing versatility here @ OSU with his 8-10 man rotation @ times has kind of been his calling card.
Would really be hard to turn down an offer from Brian Hartline to spend the next 3 years training and developing into a NFL WR by a 7 year NFL vet,back to back 1k receiving years for the Dolphins, signed that 2nd contract that i call the "F you" contract.I can't give all the credit to just the coach. Haskin's accuracy had a lot to do with our wr's breaking out so to speak. Hitting receivers in stride just wasn't happening consistently enough for JT, to get the defense's out of 9 in the box,sit on short routes strategy. JT was the opposite of Haskins rpo's, all runs and Haskin's all passes.Sure he looked great in that 4th qtr vs psu but he was playng on the adrenaline being behind,he didn't have time to over think in the pocket and psu had zero to none pass rush late. Greatest comeback next to the games that meant something like the sugar bowl with Bama, rose bowl with Germaine & Boston and possibly the Smith & Gonzales heroics in the 2015 "Game" maybe that's it.
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It certainly looks very good. Hope to see a few big time surprises along the way as well
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
Looks like a wish list to me. I know Day has learned recruiting from one of the best in Urban Meyer.
One thing is certain, this will be a class loaded with talent.
That wr haul would be massive! I like those two running backs with the addition of Drennen. Need to get Sherman at LB. Overall, this class will be another doozy.
"Age wrinkles the body, quitting wrinkles the soul" Woody Hayes
Sounds good to me. Have to imagine a few other guys will enter the picture as things go on too.
Don't forget two kickers and a long snapper. Gray shirting may come into play.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.
We have 2 elite kickers on staff now from this years class. One a walk on the other gray shirted. Not all but most long snappers are walk on's but the gray shirted kicker probably will be in this years numbers?
My point is kickers have to count against numbers somewhere. I've seen no accounting for a kicker in the 2019 class so he would have to count against 2020. McCullough is a 5th yr. senior this season. Unless you plan to rely on a walk-on, there is another scholarship. Chrisman is going into his final season of eligibility. Don't think you have 25 scholarships to fill without accounting for this group.
According to his OSU bio, Drue Chrisman is going to be a redshirt junior--he was in the 2016 class but his first year punting for Ohio State was 2017 (Cam Johnston's last year was 2016).
Per his bio, Blake Haubeil is also a junior. That said, I'm all for signing a kicker--the impact of Sean Nuernberger's injury this year was negated by having Haubeil on the roster.
Who is the walk on again?
Good early look.
Hindsight is, and in, 2020
This early in the process any combination no one could argue but me. Linebacker with only taking two it seems is the reason Thomas hasn't been offered it seems. We need to realize here do we want to win games or make Ohio kids happy? I too wondered why he wasn't offered and at first I thought he had other issues. It's a number thing it seems and I think he has other more talented kids in front of him. Ranking wise across America I noticed he is not in the 250 range. Running back is a crap shoot and we might get a surprise there jmo. Wide receiver will be stacked and your predictions could be correct but not giving up on Fleming all though his squeeze goes to PSU. Then again when we where young chicks made us do a lot of dumb things lol. O Line I think we will do better than what you have there I believe from what I hear and there. Other positions I agree with many of your selections but still lots of time to go. Back to Thomas I don't think Day is going to do a sweet heart deal to get all three Cincinnati kid's in this class. On the flip side the other two are not going to another school just to play with Thomas. Urban no longer in charge but I remember him saying he wasn't going to recruit kids at wr unless that was their natural position which brings me to Berger who I doubt would ever see wide receiver with all that talent in that room. Nice write up and very interesting keep them coming.
Success is what draws these recruits to any program, if Buckeyes win the Big Ten and possibility make the playoffs, then recruits will be knocking the door down to play....
And theyre not now? Did you even read this article?
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Put a fence up around Ohio
A good looking, well made fence....
Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP
A big, beautiful fence. Build finish the fence. :P
The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes
Fence? NO. Build a wall. A big beautiful wall. :)
absolutely need Bresee
"I feel ready for whatever awaits me on the other side. I don’t fear adversity. I don’t fear the spotlight. I don’t fear success. And I don’t fear failure." - Braxton Miller
A great need obviously but not an absolute. Don’t think he comes unfortunately
yeah actually since we got sawyer its less important but imagine zach at OLB and sawyer/bresee at DE
I love all of that! I still think they need another O-Lineman in addition to what's listed above. It will also be interesting to see what develops at DE. We are chasing some big names at that position.
Fields of Dreams
I totally agree, and I hope Justin Rogers is the guy... Anyone have a take on what’s going on with his recruitment?
There will be 5 and max of 6 depending on who they are.
Wray n' Rogers...
15-1 is SWEET!
Here's to hoping we can pull Bresee away from the Fighting Dabo's!
Give me alllll the WRs and DBs
Andrew....Is OG Justin Rogers not interested in OSU anymore?
The interest on his part has wondered for the past 3-4 months
Definitely think he's still an option but for now I'm guessing he goes to Georgia. Doesn't help that his teammate flipped to the Bulldogs. Michigan also seems to be doing a good job recently as well.
Given that Rogers already seemed to be leaning to UGA, I almost think it's more likely a case of Mathis following Rogers but with Mathis getting there a year earlier.
I'd say if Luke Lachey gets offered, it's almost a foregone conclusion that he commits quickly. Other than Redman and Ringo, I can't disagree w/ the logic of any of the projections, although I do think we will see a few spring/camp offers to Ohio kids that will change things-the DB from Westerville-North, Lachey,etc. It would not surprise me to see either Henry Gray or Fred Lee in the class, although not both.
I was expecting to see Clark Phillips and RJ Mickens. Any reasoning behind that AE?
It's a beautiful day in Columbus, Ohio... and TTUN still sucks.
Honestly haven't heard much about OSU and Phillips. Mickens definitely an option and I'd say he and Ransom are the two most likely bets at safety. I mostly went with Ransom because he's visiting now and because of the Jack Miller pull. Heck they could take both even though CB is a much bigger need.
Do the two Jacksonville kids fall into that line of thinking as well?
I think OSU will be in it until the end for Davis and Brooks. Guessing OSU ad Clemson may end up splitting Fred Davis and Henry Gray. I wouldn't have Brooks in the same tier as Davis, Ringo, and Cavazos. He's probably a little behind Gray as well but Brooks has better size.
If it came down to it, where Ohio State had Ringo and Cavazos in the class and in order to land Davis, they had to take Brooks too, would they???
I would imagine they would. I mean that would be a crazy CB haul!!! Davis, Brooks, Ringo and Cavazos.
Oh yeah, definitely. That's the really nice part about playing with 23-25 spots instead of 16-18.
O-line recruiting still looks comparatively weak to me - would expect to see more interest and pursuit of elite players, more Paris etc
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I thought the same thing. Kinda.
This OL class predictions still is pretty good! Young and Atteberry are both tackles along with Paris! Wypler is an inside guy while James could play possibly anywhere but left tackle.
But like you mentioned I was hoping to see another elite tackle in the class. Hopefully we can turn things around with Corcoran or something!
Not bad for a new head coach that can't recruit.
Who made that comment? It’s been quite the opposite
It's been made by some in the recruiting threads. They were/are worried that day can't recruit.
The Fairfield H.S. kid JuTahn McClain is the real deal - he had speed and power in a tough D1 league. I don't know if he ends up playing running back at Ohio State, but he is an amazing athlete.
I think that Jake Seibert is in for this class too, but the question will be if it's on scholarship from the start or if it's a grayshirt...
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Yep exactly .That's why I usually don't include the special teams. Way too unpredictable with the whole scholarship/grayshirt thing.
Andrew, you didn’t comment at all regarding Jake Wray and Brian Brese. You must not feel any optimism that Wray will recommit to OSU (like you do with Cavazos). And what about Brese? You better believe that Day, Johnson and Co will fight to the very end with him
Wray is not viewed as someone the staff cares to get back, at least right now. Tea leaves don't look good for Bresee.
Agreed with Crimson.
So why isn’t the staff interested in trying to get Wray back? Was there something more in regards to his decommitment? Since his brother is on the team you’d think they’d do as much as they can to get Jake back. Plus he’s supposed to be the better prospect.
And Andrew, appreciate the detail
To be completely honest, I don't think it's looking like Max will be much of a factor in the future unless something were to change (which is definitely possible). And I don't think they're especially high on Jake either. That's just the vibe I've gotten from talking to some people.
Can you explain your decision to include Ringo in your class prediction? I always thought he was a Texas/Washington battle.
I was thinking this class might be in the 27-28 range, especially given how small this past class was. Just looking at numbers we have: 18 seniors plus Chase Young who almost certainly will leave. So 19 and then candidates to leave early: Dobbins, Okudah, Wade, Munford, Browning, White, plus anybody unexpected who grabs a starting role and does very well like a Garrett, Myers, or Wyatt Davis.
Let's say we lose 3 early entries beyond Young. Then we are at 22. Then we have upperclassmen who may grad transfer if they can't grab a role this year: McCall, Hausmann, Cupp, Jackson, Williamson, Wint, Pryor, Riep. Let's say 2-3 of them leave via transfer, plus an underclassmen transfer, and possibly an injury disqualification. This seems realistic to me based on history and suddenly the Buckeyes have 26-28 spots open for the 2020 class.
If we get anywhere close to this haul (meaning the top rated guys), it'll be tremendous for Ryan Day and what it says about Ohio State as a program.
We've never landed SIX 5-star players in one class as far as I'm aware, so this would be remarkable if Day and staff could pull this off.
OSU didn't execute and lost to horrible officiating. BOTH things can be true
Top 3 class for the last 5 yrs’ class avg, plus the #3 Stars class avg for 2019, now 2020 looking like another top 3 class.
Not to steal Andrew's thunder but here's my 2020 recruiting class predictions:
QB - (1) Jack Miller. Pass on a second QB. Think Suggs plays basketball and in-state guys like Keller, Crenshew and Prater all go to other power 5 schools. Dont roll the dice on upsetting Miller either.
RB - (2) Bijon Robinson & Michael Drennan II. 1 pure back and a Curtis Samuel type.
WR - (5) Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Gee Scott Jr, Marcus Rosemy, Rakim Jarrett & Juliam Fleming. would be 4, but Fleming joins late and hes a guy you dont say no too.
TE - (1) Mark Redman or Clay Caudill. Toss up here. Caudill has a solid offer list already, wouldnt be surprised for a camp offer.
OL - (6) Paris Johnson Jr, Luke Wypler, Jacob James, Reece Atteberry, and 2 of this group (John Young, Geirean Hatchett, Roger Rosengarten, Jimmy Christ)
DL - (3) Darrion Henry, Jaheim Thomas, 1 of (Abraham Alabi, Jacolbe Cowan, Rylie Mills, Kendrick Bingley-Jones)
LB - (3) Mekhail Sherman, DeaMonte Trayanum, Cullen Coleman
DB - (6) Kelee Ringo, Fred Davis II, Miles Brooks, Lejon Cavazos, Lathan Ransom, 1 of (Sammy Anderson or Ricky Wyatt)
i believe thats a class of 27.
This early in the game can't say anyone would be right or wrong but it never goes the way you want it to. Some will go to other schools plus you get a surprise or two also. I feel like you about the wr position but that's pretty stout and with Wilson this year and getting Fleming plus Jarrett is asking a lot for any school to pull in.
As this is all speculative at this point - as the French say: “We shall see...”
Without Justin Rogers the OL haul looks uninspiring. We need a beefy road grading OG. Also, can we not pull in a wide-bodied DT since we lost the Tre Wilson kid from Washington?
For some reason, our recruiting has always been lackluster in the INTERIOR of both lines. Can’t figure out why.
Always? Didn’t we get the #1 and #2 guards two years ago, a top center last year and another top center this year? That doesn’t strike me as lackluster.
Perhaps I should’ve said guards. Yes we get good NFL bound centers (Lindsey, Elflein, Billy) but not so many guards (although that’s where Billy started out).
i remember getting Davies who was a top guard prospect a couple years ago. But I don’t remember two of them. Please rejig my memory. Josh Myers was projected as a tackle.
Same goes for DT. Jon Hankins was the last 0 tech hole plugger we had and he left at least six years ago.
Myers was a tackle in HS and was listed that way on 247 as his position, but if you look at his position rank, he’s the #2 OG (link below). Myers and Davis came in together. I know Taron Vincent isn’t huge, but he was a 5* tackle. Pretty sure Tolagai was a top 100 tackle too. Jordan was a tackle in HS too, but he was an objectively good guard by his sophomore year. I don’t think identifying outside guys that fit better inside is slight against OSU recruiting. And both Price and Elflein started at OG at OSU and they were both AA before they moved over.
They have it covered we are lucky Wray left some guru's say he is over rated. We are in on a few of what you asked for . Rogers turned me off after the Mathis flip yea yea yea kind of like bow wow.
What about McGlothern as a realistic DB option?