A grad transfer would be nice/useful. I certainly wouldn't go after a HS "project" big at this stage in the game. I remember asking a grad assistant at Miami about some 7 footer from Ohio who had signed w/ Ohio or Kent or some MAC school, and he just laughed at said "If you are 7 foot and sign w/ a MAC school, you really suck!!!!".
Agree. Only sense if he goes big, go grad transfer. I really think he is not desperate to take another player in the class, but would not doubt he has already put feelers out on possible grad guys already. I think Thad said(or maybe Holtmann) the grad market is all about getting the inside track before the season even finishes.
We have a guy named Jaedon Ledee on the team who is 6-9 230 and was a top 100 prospect, but hasen't touched the floor. Guys like this need to be playing. Still can't wait till an Ohio State basketball has a full roster full of actual scholarship players.
Yea. I get ya. Perhaps LeDee's skills have not impressed as much as Holtmann expects.
Good thing about LeDee is that he has a natural nose for the ball when rebounding. Another year of working on his hands, strength and skills and he should do well.
Love the Buckeyes
Gotcha. This thread, like mentioned at the outset, could be a real klunker.
Ledee's hands couldn't be any worse than Amir Williams hands right ,lol? Kind of funny. I'll show myself out.
MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS
Potter took his reps in the offseason and then quit, completely screwing LeDee's development.
Yea, not my place to hate on a teeenager for life choices. Really, not anybodies place to do that type of thing. But I gotta wonder who was whispering in Potter's ear when he bailed on the team. He sucked up air then jumped. Good luck to him. When we meet them next year interested in seeing if indeed the grass is greener in cheeseland.
That was not my DV!
Daniel Giddens was a bull, but more like a bull in a china shop. But he had the size, but never really fit the position with the skills.
I think LeDee could very well be being groomed as a post, but Kaleb Wesson's emergence has shut LeDee out of major minutes, and LeDee's relative inexperience has convinced Holtman to simply go small whenever Kaleb gets in foul trouble.
Also, to simply assume a guy is ready for major minutes just b/c he is a top 100 player is foolish-plenty of guys in the 50-100 range as true freshmen are nowhere near ready for major minutes, or deserving thereof-experience, toughness, conditioning, shooting, court smarts.
Why does UK do so well with freshmen?
Saban on a cart eating cold pizza
When you pay you pay for the best
Big bag of cash like the movie Blue Chips!
Kentucky does not get 50-100 ranked Freshmen. 90% of the guys they bring in are Top 30 ranked Freshmen. Big difference.
I play, coach stays. He goes, I go.
This helps Kentucky ease the pain with players!
Really could have used that extra big this season. Not sure if they necessarily need it with next year's class. Unless Holtmann wants to have a banger down low that he might not already have coming in. It doesn't feel like you necessarily have to have that, though, in today's game...it's mostly about the guard play.
Class of 2010.
Good take. Also think Holtmann's offensive philosophy doesn't hinge on the 5 spot. But he has Kaleb. Kaleb certainly fits a 5 well, but it has to be frustrating to watch at times for Holtmann between his foul prone play and the difficulty Kaleb has in running the floor a full game. Thats where you would hope LeDee could become an asset in the future. Don't know...
Ledee and young should be starting. But to get back to the topic. I do think he should look to add a front court player. If he added another player, it would be Roderick Johnson though.
Yes. But have not offered a scholly at this point. Which is why I wondered if he might be searching for a bonafide "big".
Ben Roderick's defense is also a question mark, from what I've read.
Definitely. He’s athletic and could do it if he wanted to
He mentioned specifically recruiting for bigs in the 20' class, so I imagine it is a quality threshold type of situation. If an unsigned Top 75 or so caliber big suddenly demanded to be recruited at this stage in the game or someone reclassifies, I imagine he would pick up the phone.
Ledee has absolutely nothing to suggest that he would be an improvement at center, nothing. Young has earned a starting spot but probably sits because of a combination of his leg issues and foul trouble from Wesson and no back up center that can play at this point.
This is a super interesting question. The scholarship crunch is real. They almost have too many wings that can't shoot and not enough post players.
For the class of 2019, they had been involved with Ben Roderick, who is a scoring wing. Some news came out last week that they were also linked to Lester Quinones, another wing. They'd probably need at least one wing transfer to land one of those guys.
Then came some news in the past 24 hours that they're involved with someone who isn't a wing: Ibrahima Diallo (a 7ft center that plays in Florida, from Senegal). He's going to officially visit in March. Pitt seems to be the favorite, but he's a huge dude who can run the floor (7'9" wingspan).
I honestly didn't think they'd add another player to the c/o 2019, but it seems like they're hot on the trail to get one more dude.
Good info. Thanks!
Not alot of info on him.
Yes...please..Wesson is not what this team needs at center..don't get me wrong, Wesson is a good player, but he can't compete with some of these Big ass dudes on some of these other teams..
A real #5 would allow Wesson to play his natural position, power forward. Reminds me alot of Sullingers struggles at times down low, dunk the dam ball.
Kaleb is a natural PF? Maybe in a different era.
The only reason why anyone would ask this question is if holtmann wasn’t satisfied with Wesson’s play..which he shouldn’t be! He’s out of shape, plays like a freshman and cannot or will not play above the rim. Any big with any athleticism that he’s gone against makes him look foolish. He may be a starter in the MAC but a bench player in the BIG and the reason holtmann has to play through him is because he doesn’t have any reliable perimeter shooters. Big, unathletic post players are dinosaurs in today’s game, you need a point,2 shooters, and a couple of stretch 4’s with some length that can shoot. In short we need perimeter scoring not another lane clogger
I have a question..... if your team has inconsistent shooting... how easy is it to collapse the paint? Teams dont even respect our shooters anymore and B1G officiating calls blatant fouls on wesson consistently even when he doesnt foul... he is stil a Top 5 center in the B1G , you just sound utterly stupid
A lot of successful B10 centers say HI!
Signed - Ethan Happ, Nick Ward, Trevion Williams
Potter leaving at last minute screwed the team. Not sure what pissed him off but the way it played out it must of been personal. It impacted our depth and took reps away from some of the young pups. It probably cost us a couple wins this year. They are probably looking for another big to take his scholarship
I have a feeling if it was personal his brother wouldn't still be committed to playing football here. I think it was related to Wesson essentially taking his role in the post for good when he suffered that injury that caused him to miss most of the 2017-2018 season. Potter probably feels he's capable of starting somewhere and that wasn't going to happen here with Wesson's emergence.
Unless it's someone who is athletic and a great shooter--no thanks.
the empire never ended
Put Greg Oden in. Might as well have some fun with the current trend of this season
We surely could use an Oden--type guy. But, there has been improvement in cutting down fouls by Kaleb in the last two games. Maybe, Coach has taught him that if you body block a guy that is still a foul even if you never lay a hand on him. He has had too many fouls with his hands held straight up. When he learns(or if he learns) that he could be the dominating force on the court, this kid will be a monster of a player. Until then, well,Kaleb may be what we see out there now. GO BUCKS!
We also need a pg. Which thank God CJ turnover Jackson is finally leaving. I just cannot wait until all of Matta's recruits are finally processed of transfer out.
Especially Kaleb Wesson, I would rather have Amir Williams or Marc Loving on this team right now, because even though they were dreadful, when Marc gave a damn he was a good shooter
Successful people do what they have to, whether they feel like it or not
You'd take Amir Williams or Marc "You Can Call Me the Tin Man Because I Have No Heart" Loving over Wesson? You need to get back on your meds, man.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
I'm amazed at the comments regarding Kaleb on this topic and all the other basketball topics. The guy is not a future NBA player or all american. He's probably at best an above average Big Ten player his junior senior years, but he sure as hell isn't the problem with this team this year. This team is full of 4 year guys and when a big majority of those guys are freshman and sophs you are gonna struggle until they are older or you bring in guys like he has next year. College basketball has become guard dominate and when you have zero guards or forwards who can shoot or break down a defense you are in trouble. Wesson needs players like Sullinger had (not comparing them, sullinger was much better) to spread out the D and let him work. He would be best suited on a team where he is a 3rd or 4th option, which hopefully next year he is.
Now his fouling issues. Yes, that has a lot to do with him being slow and NCAA refs inability to call the paint. Everything is assumed to be a foul.
Holtman is a heck of a coach. OSU will be fine
It's just like football. Everybody likes to think the guys we have should always be the best and when they aren't people get pissed and lash out at the players for not living up to their standards. Personally, I think this season is turning out to be a great DEVELOPMENTAL season. 12-1 was an absolute shock. Everyone thought that this season would be bad without even a sniff of the NCAA tournament yet here we are. Next year this adversity will be great for us and our vast amount of returning players will know more of what it takes to get through the tough Big Ten season.
Actually, I think Holtmann's bitching to the league office about the horrible foul calls on Kaleb just may be bearing some fruit. During the last couple of games I think I've seen a number of cases where Kaleb got the benefit of the doubt like he never got before.
I don’t see it.
I would post but most of you beta males and ladies cannot take truthful criticism about Kaleb Wesson. Facts don't care about your feelings. Question is Would you take calorically challenged Wesson ( yes Spaceman I don't want to hurt your feelings it's calorically challenged and he is overweight according to his BMI borderline obese not the f word) over Fernando, Bezkanishvili, Haarms, Smith(Maryland), Garza, Happ or Ward? Some posters want Amir Williams and Marc Loving. Wow! LMFAO!
BTW it's BuckeyeYankee not YankeeBuckeye. Good try!
+1 for you I don't want to give you a complex with the negative vote!
When you throw out names of other Big 10 centers, I think you have to look at long term appeal. No matter what your opinion of Kaleb is, this year's team was never going to have a high ceiling. Kaleb Wesson is not built to be a #1 option every night. The hope is that in the next 2 years with the development of Muhammad, Washington, Young, etc and the arrival of Carton, Gaffney, Liddell, and Walker, he has way less pressure and defensive attention on him thus making him a more efficient player. And the kid just recently turned 19 years old. Look at the development of Nick Ward from his sophomore year to his jr year, the potential is still there. As for your list:
1. Bruno Fernando: obviously take him this year, but is he a Terrapin after this season? He tested the nba waters this past season. Even if the nba passes again, he is not from this country, so does he stay another year in America and pass up 6 figures overseas? I'll take Kaleb longterm.
2. Jalen Smith- maybe the most raw talent on this list, though pretty inconsistent. He is projected as a late 1st round pick though, so I'd say 50/50 at best he returns and certainly won't play 2 more years like Wesson. Kaleb longterm.
3. Beskanishvilli- He has definitely been a beast of late and I would maybe take him down this home stretch over Kaleb. But he is also 21 years old from another country (Georgia-the nation). If he isn't playing overseas next year, I imagine he will be by the next season. Kaleb longterm.
4.Haarms- really? No thanks. Better defensively, but averages 8 pts a game and does not bring much offense to the table. Plus he is kind of a d-bag. I would consider (though I would not take) Treyvian Williams over Haarms. Heck, Williams has started more games than the hair flipper. Kaleb now and longterm.
5. Garza- I would probably take Garza. He is a sophomore as well. Not a great rebounder but neither is Kaleb, but a little more consistent offensive threat with a little better length. Certainly not a landslide, but I would probably take him and Teske (from UM) as well. Teske isn't as good offensively as Garza and Kaleb, but has both beat on the defensive end and seems like he may be a rare 4 year 7 footer that does not suck. He is a soph as well. Slight edge to Garza and Teske over Kaleb longterm.
6. Ward- this is the best comparison on your list. They have almost identical builds. Kaleb obviously has more fat on his body, but the Jr version of Ward's body is much different than his sophomore version. Last year, Ward looked very much like Kaleb does now. As for their games, similarly have great footwork and solid post moves. Ward has more power and is a better finisher. Kaleb has more outside touch and is a better free throw shooter. Honestly, I think they are pretty darn even right now, but Ward is surrounded by the best pg in the league and more consistent, veteran players. Given that Kaleb has 2 years of eligibility left and Ward has 1, I'll take Wesson.
7. Ethan Happ- obviously you would take a 1st team All Big 10 player right now. That being said, I hope that Happ does not win Big 10 POY. A guy that is a liability to have on the court in crunch time (43% FT shooter), should not win that award. And being that Happ will wrap up his 9 year career at Wisky in March and Kaleb has 2 more seasons as a Buckeye, I'll take Wesson all day.
Your reasoning on Ward also applies to Teske as Teske is a junior.
I stand corrected, then yes, I would take Kaleb over Teske.
Given that only 2 of those guys are likely to play 2 more seasons in the Big 10 (Garza and Wesson) and what kind of talent/experience we will have in those seasons, I am glad to have Kaleb.
Yes, I'd take Wesson over everyone on that list not from Gahanna.
Lol at people thinking Kaleb Wesson is the problem. Does he have some flaws? Absolutely. But teams double him as soon as he catches it for a reason. He’s the only consistent threat we have.
Maybe someone like THIS to complement the outstanding 2019 class in the 2nd year?
"I've had smarter people around me all my life, but I haven't run into one yet that can outwork me. And if they can't outwork you, then smarts aren't going to do them much good." - Woody Hayes
He would be nice, more likely Zach Loveday is more realistic
This meeting is adjourned. Go Bucks!
Another big man is severely needed. There will be a big influx of talent next year, but no one to spell Wesson when he is in foul trouble.
Another big man is severely needed. There will be a big influx of talent next year, but no one to spell Wesson WHILE he is in foul trouble
After reading through the thread numerous times, the conclusion I have is it is unlikely Holtmann takes a big in this class unless it is a grad transfer and while they are interested in Diallo its unlikely he ends up here. Have the thought Holtmann will not use the scholly unless one highly rated unsigned joins the team. Zack Loveday is the big for 2020 they really are pursuing.