My favorite bit in this article is "where he completed 43 of 90 passes". Dude had two starts and was throwing almost 50 balls a game. Hello Big 12 offense!
God bless and go Bucks.
I hope Ryan Day realizes Ohio State is a power running, three yards and a cloud of dust team..
Sarcasm Brutus?... (I hope!)....
You have to have a strong running game period. If not, you might as well play in the B12..Zeke Elliot ring a bell?
Sounds like what Jim Harbaugh is trying to do up north. No thanks
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Big Ten, I formation, power football...we just do it from unique formations.
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To be fair Meyer did have a team of mostly pro style players at the time (with the exception of Braxton who was a near perfect fit for his offense). I mean Carlos Hyde was a bruiser back in the Beanie Wells mold when he was here and Meyer still got good usage out of him.
Hey, wait a minute....
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FB Dive offense in 3....2....1, NOT.
Dave right, Dave left, 3rd and long.
Harbaugh's offensive gameplan per series. Run, run, pass, punt, in that order.
With Fields as the QB if the Buckeyes are not running some sort of read option running game someone should be fired. You use the talent and skills you have , you don't try to fit a round peg in a square hole and force him drop back in the pocket every play . Let the offense fit the talent.
I don't think that the RO has to be a huge part of the offense, like it was under Urban. But it definitely should be sprinkled in to keep the opposing DL honest.
What I'm looking forward to most is the "tuck and run" mentality that we lost when Tressel left. Some of Troy Smith's most memorable plays came after things had broken down. We have a first year QB in Fields who has tremendous running ability, but also a pass-first mentality. I hope the staff simplifies the passing offense and allows Fields to tuck the ball and scramble after only one or two primary reads. Roll the pocket, play action teams to death on 1st and 2nd down, let Fields be an athlete. I'm sure the OOC slate will be passing practice to get our edge athletes involved and synced up. But by PSU and TTUN time, I would love to see some drop back pass attempts that don't end with Fields extending the play, but rather tucking immediately and getting upfield. Some of those 3rd and longs that TP would pick up with his feet were just demoralizing for the opposition.
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We won the 2014 CFB with a RO / run the QB game. Cardale ran it, not as well as JT but it along with QB runs were a big reason we won . JT got us to the BIG championship and his running along with the read option and his passing led the way. . ... you keep the D confused by being balanced and making them play the whole field and the read option helps you do that. Urb won two other NC's and the read option was a big part of both of those also not to mention his won loss record of over 90% at tOSU with the RO.
I should have made this more clear in the sentence, but Chugunov actually played in five games while starting two games in 2017. He didn't throw more than 28 passes in any game.
Thanks for the clarification! It is funny that my misread isn't entirely unreasonable.
Excited to see what Chungnov looks like after getting coached up by Yurcich
Do you know what he looked like before?
I don't give a damn for the whole state of Xichigan.
I have to ask, are you really excited to see what Chugunov looks like after being coached by Yurchich? With respect to Chugunov, I hope I never have to see him step anywhere near the field, short of a few snaps in a 50 point blowout.
Again, I'm eager to see the new faces in action - players and staff.
Fields is the guy, but I'm interested in seeing Baldwin in action...the importance of the backup QB shouldn't be lost on Buckeye fans.
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Especially since we know w Fields’ mobility, he’ll be running - designed or otherwise.
Baldwin is the guy I wanna see the most tbh.
So do I.
I've seen what Fields can do (albeit mop-up duty), but want to see the Bus get going.
I really am hoping it never happens but, one bad hit and the 2nd stringer is up to bat. So, whoever it may be, be play ready.
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And if Baldwin and Fields looks like Barrett and Haskins (ability wise) then what? Since Fields beat everybody out in passing at the Elite 11, I don't think that will happen. But since we did go through QBgeddon where neither looked sharp without Herman and being in situation where you look over your shoulder, who knows.
What's the point you're getting at? I think you're saying that we should avoid a 2-QB system at all costs?
I mean I agree, if that's where you're going, but with the way Ryan Day has handled our QBs I have complete faith. If Fields is the guy, he deserves it and the offense will look a certain way. If Baldwin is the guy, he deserves it and the offense will look a certain way. Ryan Day was a QB, so I'm sure he understands the psyche behind playing the position.
All of that being said, I think Ryan Day pitched an offensive vision to Fields that led to him coming here. It would shock me if Fields isn't QB1, simply because of what had to be laid out to a guy like Fields to win his recruitment. I think Dwayne Haskins will go on to be a better pro than Fields, but the limit on Fields' college potential literally does not exist.
My point is Cardale Jones made it so the box cannot be stacked against the run. A passing threat is a great way to help the run.
Cannot wait for the Spring Game to produce a bunch of new observations, data points and perceptions to carry us through the summer to play the speculation game (along with the gnashing of teeth game if neither of the two do particularly well in the spring). Even more fun will be had if the offenses look different depending on who is on the field like last spring with Haskins and Martell.
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Call it offseason optimism, but I legitimately believe that both QBs are going to look spectacular in the spring game. Fields wont be able to showcase his running ability, so the QB1 race may not be as close as it appears. However, I think Fields and Baldwin could be a better duo than Haskins and Burrow, mostly because I think that Baldwin will be a better passer than Burrow showed.
I am excited to see the spring game to see how fields and Baldwin adjust to the new offense. I still believe they will add another qb to the mix at some point though.
when Coach Day says they will adapt the offense to fit the QB, then either they all learn and implement only one offense, or there is Offense #2 when needed for The Replacement
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They have one playbook they all learn. Then depending which QB is on the field the called plays will tend to be to that particular QBs strength. Again the whole playbook will be available though.
For me the question is: How broad is the playbook options for each QB?
By that, I mean what percentage of the playbook can th3 # 2 and 3 guys run successfully, or at least with a high probability of completing the play and gain the desired results? The closer to 100% each guy is means opposing defenses can’t key on only a couple of possibilities to attack the offense; nd thus our offense can keep them guessing.
More importantly, it also gives Day greater opportunities to play the backup and give him and his teammates confidence in their abilities to make plays; as well as stretch his capabilities and help him gain experience in areas he needs to develop since the can run a variety of high probability plays as well as developmental ones and still move the ball. I think this is important late in the game where we have a comfortable lead since Day can experiment a bit without destroying a QB’s confidence by either limiting his options nor asking him to make plays he struggles with.
Finally, it can help recruiting by showcasing that we let a QB (and recover, RB’s etc) get a variety of touches and thus their abilities will be put on full display at tOSU.
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This is such a great comment. +1
As a response to which, I would say it's the difference between art and science. The science being the actual construction of the playbook, and the art being the playcalling based on personnel used. What we've heard from multiple trusted sources is that Day is equal parts artist and scientist. He's easily twice as intelligent and many more times well informed on his personnel talent to make these decisions. But what this offense will boil down to, IMO, is whether we simplify things for Fields (due to his athletic ability) or do we run Baldwin as QB1 because of his more well-rounded understanding of the entire scheme.
I think Fields will be too good to keep off the field, regardless of his advancement within the scheme.
Ohio State's quarterbacks will only be as good as the offensive line allows them to be.
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But what if the WRs can’t get separation?
I see what you did there
Product of the people around them. I heard some guy say that once.
O-line is full of question marks. I do NOT want to see Fields running for his life.
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I'd love to be a fly on the wall in that QB room. I also get the feeling Baldwin is gonna get lots of playing time for all the right reasons.
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compared to last season, this is a worryingly thin QB depth chart. One injury and the team's in a deep hole. The gulf between Haskins/Burrow/Martell vs Fields/Baldwin/Chugunov/Vanatsky is scary to think about. Let's say Fields = Haskins (heck it, let's give Fields a slight advantage); but after that, there's really no comparison.
Personally, I would take Baldwin over Tater. I think we're in better shape (depth) than we were last season. Had Haskins gone down, we would have been subjected to an epic shit show of an offense.
Las year wasn't Haskins/Burrow/Martell, just for starters. False premises lead to false worries. It was actually Haskins/Martell/Chug/(not Baldwin). This year is Fields/Baldwin/Chug/Van Halen. We are actually stronger this year, not worrisomely weaker. Yoda's don't worry, they "do or do not-there is no try".
I still can't believe that we have Justin Fields here, and eligible to lead the team this season. Still seems surreal.
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I hope Fields balls out, but having a 0.9998 rating and you can't beat out Jake Fromm (no slouch himself) brings with it a small asterisk....
The kid was a true freshman and Fromm was a returning starter who was successful the prior season. Fields was never going to start for Georgia his freshman year. He wouldn't have started here either.
Not even a little. A true freshman coming in will not beat out a guy who played very well the previous season, led his team to the national title game, and is considered a top NFL prospect when his time comes to declare. I guess you say the same because Haskins couldn't beat out JT the previous season? This narrative that he should have beat Fromm out makes no sense at all.
Haskins couldn’t “beat out” JT either and we see how that worked out. Sometimes the best QB doesn’t win the job it really comes down to who the coach is more comfortable with. The fact that Kirby smart didn’t start the more talented QB is no concern of mine
Sometimes the best QB doesn’t win the job it really comes down to who the coach is more comfortable with
Wow, what a horrible take. Haskins was the better talent, no doubt, but being the starting QB is more than just being able to throw well. In fact, you could argue JT (outside of throwing) was the better player. You gotta be a leader, which Haskins himself said he wasn't ready.
And before you start mentioning Alabama and Clemson with their situations, Haskins didn't have the locker room on his side. Also, Hurts and Bryant arent as good as JT was. Its easier to replace Kelly Bryant and Jalen Hurts than it is to replace a 3x Captain, National Champion, 2x BIG POY, and National Champion JT Barrett.
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We get it you love JT and I know better than debating how great he was on this site. There is nothing wrong with my take. Haskins is the better QB its not debatable. One of them will be making millions of dollars as a Quarterback and one will not. That’s how I define who is the better QB. Was JT the better leader? No doubt. Ill even say that JT was a better fit for UFM’s offense and system which was why he was more comfortable with him but that doesn’t make JT the better QB. I’m sorry.
Oh BTW I cant recall the National Championship game that JT played in. Maybe my take on that is horrible also but I think there was a key three game stretch that season that he was not the QB.
What I'm sure Fields saw was that GA was invested in Fromm for 3 years and he was gonna wait around like Haskins at OSU. Can't say I blame him for transferring ASAP. "Pay no attention, these aren't the asterisks you're looking for". Dude, you sure worry over inconsequentials. Maybe you should change your name to C3PO?
Great recent segment on recruiting and elite WR talent that we would love to get. QB run is intelligent 3 to 5 times per game based on what a defense gives. More than that is regressive and moronic. Not to mention inviting injury. Lets sharpen the passing like a razor and use our current receiving talent to balance our running back contribution.
Sounds like a winning formula to me BiF.
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It’s really crazy how fortunate we’ve been with the QB position. To go from the Braxton era, to the JT/Cardale championship era, to Haskins, and now presumably to the fields era, the ball keeps rolling. Spring ball can’t get here soon enough
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Not that Day is unfit to call plays but I really hope he doesn't try to emulate 2015 Urban this coming season and manipulate Yurcich's play-calling in any way. We're already paying Yurcich and Wilson significant salaries as co-OCs so with the talent we have the only thing I can really see derailing our offense next season is a "too many cooks in the kitchen" approach from the coaching staff. Of course the O-line replacing four starters is a concern (though Davis and Alabi both have starting experience and look capable at the very least and if someone like Jonah Jackson ends up coming here that would help tremendously). But I think this offense will be downright unstoppable if all the pieces are working together like a well-oiled machine.
Having Urban mess with Day's play calling is a big step from having Day mess with Yurcich. D and Y are closely aligned already, so it's like two minds tweaking the same/similar system. Urban and Day were two very different systems, which was obvious in play calling at times and not in a good way. I'm sure they've sorted it out and are excited to see what they can come up with together.
I was more referring to Urban micromanaging Warinner and Beck in 2015 (which led to the offense that year being a lot less effective than they should've been). Urban got better about not trying to interfere in the offensive play-calling once Day got here and even more so after JT left (I think the offense we saw last season was close to 100% Day's offense with the exception of the Martell packages that were randomly sprinkled in at times).
Don’t count on it.
I know not everyone will agree with what I'm about to say, but I think the way to avoid that problem is to keep Yurcich out of play-calling, and make Wilson the primary play-caller. Day and Wilson have worked together well for two seasons, so I feel like this will allow Day to give input throughout the game and we wouldn't have to worry about a possible lack of synergy in play-calling resulting from 3 different coaches giving their input.
In no way am I trying to downplay Yurcich's coaching abilities. I just think 3 voices in play-calling is too many. Day is the HC so his voice matters most, and I'd probably take Wilson over almost any current OC in the country if I'm being honest. I did some research so I could back my statement up with more than just "look at how good his offenses were at Oklahoma and Indiana" because I know suggesting that we keep Yurcich out of play-calling sounds a little extreme. These accolades, to me, speak volumes about just how good of a coach Wilson actually is:
1. 2008 Broyles Award Winner (he was also a finalist twice)
2. During the 2008 season as Oklahoma's OC, his offense scored 716 points in 14 games (2nd most in a season in FBS history-- was the most in FBS history until 2013).
3. Wilson's 2008 Oklahoma offense holds the NCAA record for most consecutive 60-point games (5 straight)
4. As head coach at IU, his offense lead the Big Ten in passing in 2012, 2013, and 2015
5. His 2015 IU offense lead the Big Ten is passing, total offense, and scoring. This stat is even more impressive when you consider the fact that he played against FIVE defenses ranked in the top 26 for total defense via cfbstats.com--Mich (4th), tOSU (9th), PSU (14th), Iowa (22nd), and MSU (26th)--throughout the season. Remember, this was at IU; hie wasn't coaching an offense full of 4* guys.
6. His 2015 IU offense became just the fourth in FBS history, and the SECOND FOR WILSON, with a 3,500-yard passer, two 1,000-yard rushers and a 1,000-yard receiver in the same year (USC in 2005; Oklahoma in 2008 and Southern Mississippi in 2015).
Wilson also has much more experience in big games, which is huge. I'm sure some will disagree with my opinion, which is completely fine. I just hope people can also see where I'm coming from, whether they agree or disagree with me. I really don't know what to expect at this point, honestly. I hope we get some info on play-calling responsibilities during Spring practice
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Yurcich or Wilson, I'm fine with whoever (it sounds like Yurcich is going to primarily be in charge of the passing game based on what his title is). I just don't want Day himself calling plays. It would make having two OCs on staff completely pointless IMO and quite possibly might overwhelm Day somewhat.
I was wondering if OSU had a season where every QB was different from one spring to the next. I have watched since the late 60's and don't remember it every happening. I also follow MD and I don't remember it happening with them. But in the new transfer crazy world, it might have happened to other teams recently
I was wondering if OSU had a season where every QB was different from one spring to the next
Didn't Germain only start his senior year? If so that would have been 3 springs worth of different presumed starters in Jackson (97), Germaine (98) and Bellisari (99).
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If Baldwin is given a real chance, he will win the job. However, I seriously doubt that Day will give him a real shot.
Baldwin "will win the job" if he's given a fair chance?
I'm not sure how you could make an assertion like this, considering the fact that Baldwin hasn't taken a single college snap. Yet, I'm sure you've referred to Fields as "unproven".
By the way, do you have any reasons to "seriously doubt" that Day will give Baldwin a real shot? Please share if you do; I'd love to hear them.
He's just a troll from up north, logic isn't his strong-suit.