Been saying this for years, playing the game at noon is the single most overrated part of the rivalry imo. Agreed on the 3:30 start in '06. It was amazing, starting during the day and ending at night was awesome.
Counterpoint: the crossing out the Ms thing is incredibly stupid and should be retired. That’s the most overrated part of the rivalry.
I’m not even sure it’s that warm. I feel like everyone knows it’s kinda dumb but we just continue to do it.
Are you being forced to cross out M’s? I only did that when I was in school and it was fun. Why take it away from the next guard because you don’t like it?
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This has been beat to death on here. I realize the season is over but surely we can find something else to talk about
Crossing out M's is one of the most fun, but least offensive parts of the rivalry. You don't have to do it if you think it's stupid, but for the rest of us, it's fun.
That's a Buckeye touchdown!
I like crossing out the M's. Especially just to see if I can get a reaction from family and friends on social media.
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TBH, I think that tradition -- as well as not saying the letter "M" -- is pretty dumb. But, hey, if people enjoy it, good for them.
And I was talking to a guy who went to The Game last year as a fan of neither team. He thought it was really cool. So maybe we're just jaded.
So keep on keepin' on, Buckeye students.
I'll be sure to stay off your lawn too.
You win with people.
It's too easy beating TTUN. Let's make it harder for OSU. /s
Late November brings cold, snow (or rain), early darkness. These factors make it more difficult to pass successfully. Now that OSU passes more, we should just say no. Keep it at noon.
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If they changed the time due to David or whomever else and we lost two things would happen:
1) David would be burned at the stake
2) We would never leave noon again
In 2018, if it would have been a 7:30PM start and the whole Buckekye team took sleeping tablets at 6:30PM we would have still kicked their sorry asses.
I don't give a damn for the whole state of Xichigan.
Pretty much my take as well. Late November night game will bring the weather into play even more. A 3:30 start wouldn't be too bad but a night game starting at 8:00 would be dumb in my opinion.
Keep it the way it is, why change.
There's nothing anticlimactic about a nooner. Getting that on the table, so to speak, a 3:30 kick is always nice. Plus, it leaves time for, well, a nooner.
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This article is right up there with “Ohio State should join the SEC” and “Is Joey Bosa a bear?”
None of us want to wait all day.
Enjoy the wins over *ichigan, ....I still remember the dark days of the 1990's....
“Noon” of us haha
I agree it should be a 3:30 start! (or even night game)
I also think both teams should wear home Jersey's!!!
logged in to up vote this for the home jerseys and second it! And i also agree with 3:30 start.
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logged in to up vote this for the home jerseys and second it! And i also agree with 3:30 start.
You should complain to management, because no one else has to login to up-vote.
no one else has to login to up-vote
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Unless i'm logged in i have no voting option.
Um, that's a big fat no on both home jersey's.
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This a blog, not a voting forum. Why do you feel this is a bad idea? Are you color blind, and fear this wil result is confusion?
i love the look of the USC/UCLA game where they both wear home unis. i cna't imagine a singe reason for not doing this. Other than "get off my lawn"
II remember the press that the 2008 USC/UCLA game got for returning to the home jerseys for both teams. They did it for many years and then stopped in the 90s to be like everyone else and use away jerseys. When they resumed it was welcomed with open arms.
But I wouldn't tamper with The Game.
Strongly agreed on the 3:30 start. I haven't really thought about the jersey idea. But, TBH, I kind of like it.
M...igan isn't prime time material, also known as "they suck".
I'm not kidding, but in a more serious response maybe if both teams were in the mix and the stakes were high, sure.
Otherwise I'm good with the standard 3:30...EST.
I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...
Chart reading 101: Since 1990 the "standard" is noon.
Yeah I saw that, yet how awesome of you to point it out.
Here's two more.
Yes-"They SUCK" and the beat downs should continue at High Noon!!!!
Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.
Great take! Rack 'em. Showtime happens in PRIME TIME. Not only for the Buckeye Faithful but for the rest of the world. The Ohio State University brags, rightfully so, that no matter where you go you will find Buckeye Faithful. Well then, why are you making the west coast Faithful tune in at 9:00 am? A large part of the problem is The Buckeye Faithful ourselves. We will tune in and turn any Buckeye game into a ratings monster. Therefore, put the Buckeyes on at noon to bolster that time slot. To a degree, we are a victim of our own success.
Agreed, 9am kickoffs for a big game suck. Not the worst for a lesser game (I can get the rest of my day going by 1pm) but I like it when the big games have more of a prime time feel.
Agreed - the West coast fans deserve a later start time - those who cut the cable cord cannot find sports bars open at 9 am to go watch games that start 12 est.
Wrong, was in San Diego on game day a few years ago and the local buckeye alum assoc. met at a local bar that opened at 8AM local. It was PACKED.
my son and I enjoyed a "noon" game breakfast at Junior Seau's bar in Mission Valley. The giant omelets were great; the game was great, except it was the interim year with Fickle and Ohio State lost.
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Boohoo. You people out on the west coast have it great for sports. I'm willing to bet virtually no one out there would trade the occasional 9:00 am kickoff for having most important sports events end around midnight.
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Yeah they don't want to talk about that
Sorry, I live in Seattle and my entire family loves 9 am starts out here. It's the best time of the day. I also have one son who lives on Maui, and his family loves the 7 am starts.
Been saying this for years.. 3:30 or 4 o clock! Games just feel more important when they're played under the lights.
Agreed. And while as a fan I’d prefer 330, I think there’s a functional aspect as well. I know I’ve read id recruits (particularly the national ones that need to fly) not being able to come to the game because of Friday playoff games. This would potentially alleviate that if they caught an early Saturday flight. And there’s no better recruiting showcase than The Game.
Games played at night seem like high school activities.
The Super Bowl is played at night, is that like a high school activity?
Super Bowl should start earlier, The Game later.
I've seen better half time shows at high school games than Maroon 5
That did suck!
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I think noon is perfect, favorite day of the year when I was in school. The tradition of waking up at 4am to drink for that game was unrivaled.
If you take everything I’ve accomplished in my life and condense it down to one day, it looks decent!
I'm for noon also. I enjoy watching the later games (or replay of us beating their asses)the rest of the day knowing we won. It's also good for recruiting since we have a big turn out for that game, and coaches claim they get more one on one time with recruits and their families on a noon kickoff.
Noon is perfect, as long as it's noon PST.
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I'd rather see B1G night games on Fridays. Oh wait...
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I like Noon, full national attention. If we moved to Prime Time might lose viewers actually. Don't see/know any benefit to night kicks (as long as kicks still are allowed haha). There is nothing, Zero, Nada "anti-climactic" about The Game. Only if you don't understand The Game. Why always the push to alter good traditions? Oh, iconoclasts gotta iconoclast I guess. :-) Go Bucks!!!
We’d only lose viewers depending on what the other teams did. The Game and the Iron Bowl are the two big draws that day. As long as we don’t overlap we’d be good.
Take a look at ratings. Night games draw larger audiences/ratings then noon games so not sure how you can say "we have the national attention at noon."
Steel, you better update your statistics for the latest-- drops in night game viewers.
Couldn't find ratings for the entire year but this one week look shows the prime time game had 4 times the viewers than the 12:00 pm game. So you better update your stats Silver... https://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/saturday-cable-ratings-s...
That analysis is kind of flawed given that the networks are going to move the best games to primetime most weeks. Those would have good ratings regardless.
There is a reason new television shows are aired at prime time... More people are going to watch at that time. Not rocket science. How's that for a flawed argument. TV executives must just be idiots for not playing their hit shows at noon...
I'v been saying this for years. Noon is not a traditional start time. It was invented by TV. And it's the most godawful time to kickoff a football game. OSU's home games used to kickoff at 1:30 before TV started running things. Going back even further, kickoffs used to be around 2 or 2:30 before the games became longer and darkness started to be a problem. In the first ~100 or so years of OSUv Michigan there had never been a noon kickoff. I agree that needs to end - ALL noon kickoffs should be abolished - and we can kickoff The Game any time from as early as 1:30 to as late as 8:00. Players are much more used to night games - virtually every single high school game is played at night. There's no reason for college games to kick off so early.
I think a better article/ #hottake could be the abolishment of noon kickoffs in College Football. That I think is something that we can all get behind, especially those of us not living in the Eastern Time Zone.
idk as college football junkie who likes to watch football from noon - after midnight I enjoy having 12+ hours of football, and if we abolished the noon kickoff altogether then that's less football to watch.
I’m fine with noon games if we’re playing Rutgers or a cupcake OOC game. I want primetime for a ranked matchup or marquee OOC game. Put everything else at 330.
Disagree completely. There needs to be more good games at noon so I am not stuck watching a crap game while there are several on later at the same time that I want to watch.
I agree. If anything we need to allow 10:30 am kickoffs for teams that want more exposure. You’re damn right I’d watch Akron or Buffalo that early instead of the talking heads.
92, shouldn't TV be the one to invent start times?
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TV, and its money, is both the bane and life blood of college athletics. I grew up in the era of OSU kicking at 1:30 pm. The Bucks were lucky to be broadcast twice a year, mostly on a regional basis. In my opinion the in stadium game experience was more exciting and enjoyable than what you find today. I know it is TV money that feeds the college sports machine, but I find it wrong that TV dictates start times. That said, I am a 12:00 kick guy. Now turn your music down so I can hear my Kingston Trio tunes.
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Yeah, I love how this is somehow a "tradition" when this is something that has only been around for a very short time in the overall age of the rivalry. So basically, 29 out of the 115 times these teams have played each other is a tradition now. I think its because most people think History begins when they are born.
You obviously dont know your history
At least we're not from Detroit...
I'd be fine with a 3:30pm start (the perfect start time in my opinion) , however a true night game would be boarder line reckless. I feel all those extra hours of drinking would not end well. I know that college me probably wouldn't have survived 2006 being a true night game.
Agreed. Loved that game but I don’t really remember the first half ;). Night game I probably wouldn’t have made it.
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Now that they moved it after Thanksgiving, for those of us who travel to see family it’s a pretty big pain in the ass to either make it back before noon or stay awkwardly late. 330 would be a perfect compromise.
I used to want it to be a night game, but the more times I've been to the Horseshoe at noon for Michigan games - the more I enjoy the timing. No other noon game matches the hate or intensity, which is both cool and somewhat deserving of moving off of noon. I think 3:30 would be fantastic, but I'd rather stay at noon than 8pm. At the same time, I enjoy watching the sad Michigan fans the rest of the day
High noon. The way it is, and always should be.
I agree. The precedent was kinda of already set back in 06 I think after Bo passed away the day before and they played into the night.
The 2006 game between the Buckeyes and Wolverines was so immaculately perfect. It was No. 1 vs. No. 2, and it finished under the lights thanks to a 3:30 kickoff. That game kicked so much ass because the networks fought to put the best rivalry in college football on the stage it deserved.
It kicked ass because it was 1 vs. 2 and we won. Whenever we win it is great. Whenever we lose it sucks. The time of day has nothing to do with it. I really don't understand this night game obsession some people have.
I'm a youngin, but I've also been to each version of The Game since 2005. '06 was awesome finishing under the lights, but I don't think the time should move. Noon is prime for this rivalry. I would be alright with 3:30 again if we were both ranked the top two.
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Playing late November in sun (warm) is better than player in late November in dark (freeze backside off). Better for traveling families, parties into night, etc. If September, I might agree but it just gets cold and dark way too early.
I agree. It is a buisness. I live close to Ann Arbor. The weather here can be a monster. We can look at averages and records all we want. Fact of the matter is we get snow and very very very dangerous roads that time of year. While it may miss that Saturday the chances are still there.It can be 61 and sunny on Thursday and 21 with whiteout on Saturday. This year we had like a 60 degree difference from one day to the next. While it might be fun to watch a snow filled game. The big buisness side of it is unpredictable. Buisness don’t like unpredictable. I would love to see a night game personally, however all of the other factors will probably shoot that down.
I am always a giant ball of nerves that day so I don't know if I could handle waiting until 8pm for kickoff. 3:30 I can handle, but not 8.
I love a good nooner
I have been to 38 OSU - m*chigam Games. Only one started at 3:30. I’m happy with that.
Could you imagine trying to get out of AA after a night Game? You probably cannot. I can. It would be a mess. It’s tough at 5 pm. Now let’s add darkness and snow. Or ice. Or an accident and ice
You watch it on TV Of course you want a night game — even if you would be playing at the same time as Bama-Auburn (That dilutes the product).
I don’t care if it starts at 1 or 2, but 3:30 should be rare and a night start would be challenging on multiple levels.
Of course, if it happens I’ll be there.
Logged in just to upvote this for "you watch it on TV" ....
I've played different sports in the cold - soccer and track. I was in a cold-weather unit in the military. There is nothing much more miserable than watching a game below 40 degrees when it's raining, sleeting or snowing. Plus, the potential for injury goes up the colder it gets ... I would keep the game at noon or 1 all day, every day when the game is this late in the season.
You don't know what you have until it's gone .... for example, toilet paper.
I’ve sat through games in person that were cold and miserable and I agree it sucks. But selfishly I also love those games on TV- there’s nothing better than a snowy game where it’s old school and both teams are trying to run it and the better defense is what wins. So while I feel bad for the people in attendance, the millions more watching at home should probably get more of a vote.
I think a 3:30 (1530) EST would be a good 1/2 way point. I liked the feel of the 06 game ending under the lights.
Out of curiosity, what is your record for games attended in this series?
Get dumped then
4-2 for the good guys, for me. But definitely curious to Mr. Green's record. 38, wow what a number
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Solid. I hope you can get to see more Buckeye victories in person over the Wolverines! I'm 2-0, having been to the 2002 and 2014 games.
Looking back at the matchups, Ohio State and Michigan didn't start regularly kicking off at noon until the mid '80s.
That still makes it a solid ~30 years old. That's a lot actually, older than the following college football things: Ohio State regularly beating Michigan (2001), Penn State as part of the B1G (1990), any conference title games (1992), almost every Ohio State game being nationally televised (90's), the 85-man scholarship limit (1992), overtime (1996), and instant replay (mid-2000's). No, Ohio State/Michigan at noon isn't some ancient tradition dating back to Harley or Paul Brown, but it's not like it's recent either.
Or let's look at this differently. Let's imagine a terrifying, awful world where Ohio State hadn't won a conference title since the mid-80's. Would people really be going "yeah, but c'mon, 30 years isn't that long! I'm older than that!"? Not a chance.
I'm not particularly bound to the noon kickoff one way or another; I'd watch even if it was at 1:00 am...but it's a really questionable argument to say that it hasn't already built itself into a tradition.
Its not a long time when you put the entire rivalry into context. The rivalry 121 years old so no, 30 years is not a lot. Its only 24.7% of the time. In other words 75.3% of the time or 91 year it was NOT played at noon.
Its been at noon a lot longer than 30 yrs. I watched as a kid at noon in the early 70s
Having been at most of those games in the 70's, I can say for certain that they weren't nooners.
Well I guess according to your memory that chart in the article is wrong. Personally I don't care when its played, I will still watch. But I think its funny that some call it a "tradition".
This is noon starting time debate is getting ridiculous. Yes, The Game at noon dates back 30~ years. Why? Up until the mid 70's to early 80's the standard starting time for all home games was around 1 to 1:30 pm. There were NO NIGHT games in The Shoe before that. There were no lights for playing night games. That all started when TV got into the business of broadcasting more games. The TV networks were responsible for bringing in their own lighting for night games - that was not possible in the 60's or before. Permanent lights suitable for TV coverage in The Shoe were not installed until the 80's. (There were lights installed on the C Deck fascia in the 70's to accommodate intramural games but they were not suitable TV.) The first true night game in The Shoe was in 1985.
There was also a maximum appearance rule in the 70's. Any team could only be televised 3 or 4 times during the season (not counting bowl games). So, there was no need to adjust every game time to TV schedules. The occurrence of noon games started when the networks started televising more and more games. The 1 or 1:30 pm start time was moved to noon. That is why the noon start for the game has only been around for 30 years. In essence, the noon start time is the early game slot just as 1 pm was the standard early game slot before that. When you take that into consideration the noon / 1 or 1:30pm time slot has seen more than 90% of The Games. Just quit stating that the noon game time is only a 30 year tradition. Refer to it as the early time slot, and it dates back a century. C'mon man!
I'm going to assume there will be a big difference in opinion between people who only follow the team on television and those who go to the games.
Because while I'm not afraid of the cold by any means, I don't really seek it out either. Nights in late November in Columbus are typically pretty cold; Ann Arbor is even colder.
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Not to mention people come to OSU games from all over the state. A night game either means a night in a hotel or arriving home at some stupid hour of the morning for those of us that don't live in Columbus.
Who cares about the West Coast.Tired of having middle of the night games because of them.
I love it that I don't have to wait all day. Leave it alone!
Yeah, the Buckeye faithfuls tune in at 9am for Noon kickoffs without issue. It's actually OK for the meh games.
If anything, the West Coast helps the earlier OSU-UM kickoff time because of their games.
Buckeye alumni living in Germany here. I tune in to those blasted 8pm games at 2am here!! Watching a blood pumping football game from 2-6am is not good for the heart. Trust me.
I for one, would be very happy to keep the best game of the year at noon, aka, 6pm German time. It also allows me to indoctrinate my children, half a world away.
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1:30 is not a bad start. but high noon is better than a night game.
This year's game was the highest rated (viewership) game played on that Saturday. Moving it to a later time would put it head to head with the other "rivalry" games that day.
I attended the game this year and it was rocking. Good die hard fans who wanted to see the beat down that UM had coming. I also attended the 2006 game - that game was the same intensity as we saw this last Nov in The Shoe at high noon. A 3:30 start is the latest it should be, but I much prefer noon.
College football's greatest rivalry deserves the grandest stage.
The last 18 games played in the Iron Bowl are 9 wins Bama and 9 Auburn.
The last 18 games played in the Ohio State Michigan series are 16 wins Ohio State and 2 Michigan.
A rivalry implies equals on the field attempting the same goals. Michigan has one outright B10 championship (2003) in those 18 years and ZERO B10 Championship game appearances. They've won 5 bowl games in the past 18 seasons. They managed 1 bowl win the BCS era. Does this really sound like a rival? a program that is on equal footing with THE Ohio State University? Maybe it becomes a rivalry again one day but we're coming up on two decades where it hasn't been.
I love the Noon kick... no interest in a night game.
Couldn't agree more TCM!
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I'm ok with the Game starting at any time with 3:30 being the latest.
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Tradition nothing wrong with tradition.
Now that the game is on Thanksgiving weekend, early Saturday afternoon is perfect, right in the heart of the 4 day weekend, and leaving Saturday night open for celebrating and partying, with Sunday reserved for getting home, for those of us who live out of town. Making it Saturday night, unless everyone can convince the other rivalry games to move earlier, just dilutes the audience, and leaves little to no time for celebrating after the game, if you have to travel on Sunday.
Good point. I still don't like that it's on Thanksgiving weekend.....
I LOVE iit on Thanksgiving Weekend.
Wasnt until some dumbfuck BIG official changed it.
Ha! You don't have to fly in from the west coast for the game. Airfares that weekend are 2.5 times more $$ than the weekend before Thanksgiving.
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Nice, but no. Besides night games being much more difficult than regular matchups, too cold at night at that time.
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I could see 12:30, or maybe even 1pm. But not any later.
This could lead to B1G games on Wednesday night.
It is considered the greatest annual rivalry game in sports not because of WHEN it is played. Saturday at noon is where it has comfortably evolved into a tradition. Change that, and there is a chance it's tradition might slowly melt to a lesser status. Shoot! The weasels have been doing all they can to diminish the importance, as it is.
It's all road rage.
Going to bed knowing you'll be waking up for kegs and eggs at 5 am to pregame the 12 pm game is better than Christmas Eve night as a kid. Keep it at 12 pm
1. Not going to happen under current TV contract. Both schools have veto power after first Saturday in November.
2. Both schools and cities want no part of the logistics for a night game that late in the year.
3. I am ok with 3:30, but who would the networks put in the noon slot that would draw as much an audience? Conversely, if you move it to 3:30 head to head with Bama, will the audience increase enough to merit the switch?
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.
I am okay with a 3:30 start for the sake of my West Coast friends, but could do without it being a night game. Mostly for the sake of how Meyer and his staff disliked how it disrupted their preparations. And if you think noon starts have marred the greatness of it, then I don’t think you understand it enough to be writing about it
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And we thank you! My ideal kick would be anytime from 1:30 - 3:30; tolerable here on the coast, while providing reasonable commute hours and tailgate time for stadium attendees. Night game atmosphere is fun once in awhile (not in late November) but hiking back to the car at 1:00 a.m., not so much. (Not to mention finding the car in the dark... had a hell of a time after the Oklahoma game out on Olentangy. Note to future self; always remember to drop a pin.)
I like noon-ers.
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I'm all for night games throughout the season and its impact on recruiting. That said, waiting 12+ hours on gameday for The Game would be terrible and painful.
NO F"ING WAY!
I prefer 3:30 AND you get the 2nd half under the lights!
Will not happen anytime soon as the big games go East to West on Rivalry Saturday.
Plus, I like to know that the UM fans have to stew in their misery all day and night after we beat them.
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While I disagree with your opinion here, I find your reasoning to support said opinion to be flawless!
I would prefer the 3:30 start, however, I would also like to point out the logistics of that weekend.
There are a ton of rivalry games that weekend (and hence why the early start for THE GAME).
Moving the time would then put it head-to-head with some of the other top notch games that weekend.
I love how spread out the games are (generally speaking).
And keep this little fact in mind when thinking of changing the start time, this past season the OSU/Michigan game was the 2nd highest rated game of the year (behind Georgia/Alabama).
In 2017 it was the 9th highest rated game, so it appears the time slot is just great for viewership!!!
(OH BTW: THE Ohio State Buckeyes had 4 of the top 10 most watched games of 2018)...
I am fine with it the way it is. Last year it felt like nearly every week was a night game anyway. I would prefer the noon kick off. 3:30 is not bad either but the noon game is fine, as far as I am concerned.
There's more to it than that I'm sure ... I am currently in the risk management/claims profession. It sounds like the time slot is there for the management of any potential risk out there. The question that needs to be answered in this case is overall - in what way would we be able to better guarantee that a) everyone has an opportunity for a good time; b) minimize injuries/damages; c) minimize the potential for alcohol-related issues? We all know that with 100,000(+) screaming fans inside, thousands more outside, most enbibing in their favorite game time ritual and/or alcoholic beverage, potential cold weather concerns, and dumb fan concerns, that there will be issues. But that doesn't mean either school (or the networks) can be naive about the situation.
Aside from a greater risk of injuries in the cold for the players (which has more to do with the time of year than the time of day), watching a game at night when it's 20 degrees is considerably worse than watching the game when it's 40 and sunny in the early afternoon For some, it's the insane hatred of the other team ... can you imagine what that would be amped up to when mixed with an all-day binge-fest? And while I mentioned the binge-fest, let's think of all the direct and indirect bodily injury or property damage that would stem from certain fans on this day. Some have mentioned the potential traffic issues in a "smaller" venue like Ann Arbor, but also consider the driving issues at that time. Getting home or to the hotel would be easier in the day time as well. Then there's the policing element. It's probably easier (and I don't have stats for this) for the police and security personnel to do their jobs in broad daylight than at night.
FWIW ... It's my $.02 worth ... although the info is reliable, it's not be taken too seriously.
As a fan, I don't know what we did to earn or deserve a say in the start time. Late in November in the midwest isn't a poster child for great weather in either state, which only gets colder as the sun goes down. From a liability standpoint, attending fans and the athletes are better off the warmer it is. Letting the tail-gators and fans from up north get hammered all day long for a night game doesn't seem to be a great idea; I can barely stand "those" fans when I'm sober. It's also nice for the athletes and college folk to be able to celebrate all night after a victory; after all it's their time to do so. Night games cost the University more money from a standpoint of logistics, so why would they not try to maximize revenue from the biggest cash cow in college sports?
The Game is an icon of Midwest Americana - and should always be a noon kick off.
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I like the noon start time but they could put it on at 2:00am for all I care as I'm still watching.
PRIME TIME, BRING IT ON! We wait nearly four months during the season for THE GAME, what's a few more hours. Under the lights, that would be exciting. What would be even more exciting is when the Buckeyes knock out TTUN's lights.
On second thought, after reading a number of posts here, mostly opposed to PT and all making lots of good sense, I have to agree that noon really is the perfect time. Here in Boise it's a 10:00am game, but what could be better than to start the weekend out on a good note by beating TTUN. Oh, what a happy weekend, the happiest wknd of the year.
NO, NO, NO, NEVER . SOME TRADITIONS ARE PRECIOUS & PRICELESS !!!!!!
old griz veteran
Now that FoxSports has it, they should schedule a less famous but traditional B1G rivalry matchup at 11 am followed by The Game at 2:30.
Here we go again...
the old compromise of the "tradition" of noon games versus night games called "prime time" by TV marketing gurus that results in open-minded people wisely saying let's cut the baby in half and have the rivalry game at 3:30.
The noon time is NOT going to change any time soon, because...
the TV networks have to fit in all the other rivalry games for Thanksgiving weekend. You go east to west, Ohio State-Michigan goes first at noon in the Eastern Time zone. Then Alabama-Auburn goes next in the Central Time zone, etc. etc.
No TV exec in his right mind is going to split viewership and dilute ratings by having Ohio State and Alabama playing rivalry games in the same hour! Period.
[and BTW, the author's chart above clearly shows that the noon kick-off is NOT traditional.]
Noon is the best game and sets the tone for the day. In late November, it is usually cold. Night only makes it worse.
Could you imagine the additional chaos if the "Snow Bowl" had happened at night?
I like it being at noon (or 11 am when I visit family in central time), because that way the win energizes me for the rest of the day. I also wouldn't be able to enjoy any of the early CFB games that day if I was stressing/waiting till 6 or 8 pm for kickoff.
"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."
New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.
Thats a BIG NO.
We have a primetime national stage. And sorry, some traditions are meant to last.
With the length of games nowadays, and the seemingly endless commercial breaks, I don't want to wait till midnight to know if the Buckeyes will win.
Don Brown must've attended night school, because he got owned by Day.
Noon makes it no better, noon adds nothing. Aesthetically speaking the 3:30 time slot give us some of The Game during the day, dusk, and night.
You’re complaining about waiting around all day? For fuck sake? Be busy and have a life. No one is suggesting that you have to sit and do nothing while you wait.
When I lived in Ohio, I preferred 3:30 kickoffs for all games. It’s even more important to me now that I’m in the West. 9am is a great time to start work, but I’m trying to be entertained on the weekend, and not wake up to an alarm.
This post wins the honorary TNB Angry Post Award of the day. Insulting legitimate reasons for some people is narcissitic and wrong. Just because you disagree on an opinion, doesn't give reason to insult people to "get a life."
ProTip: Save the insults for STUPID takes, not just ones you disagree with.
On the wall guarding the North Coast from all Weasel invasions.
Get a life TNB and stop hating on his opinion ;)
Noon.. If we see both teams in the hunt for the playoff-ranked in the top 4, look for FOX to push for a 3:30PM or 7:00PM KO..
Pigskins & Porkrinds
Who has an argument against both teams wearing traditional home uniforms? I’ve always been for this, and have never heard a rational argument against it.
Who wants to see that much blue in Columbus? I can barely stomach the amount in their away unis.
The color blue has been owned by Ohio since November 2012.
also “that’s racist”!
"Prime Time" is whenever the Buckeyes are playing.... 12, 3:30, 8, midnight... !!!!!!
If like in 2006 the 42-39 outcome ie final score ends up being the pick 4 winner again then yes 3:30!. :-P
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carry on ...
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain
NO. No, no, no, no, no, NO!
I commented earlier in the day - but after thinking about it awhile, I just want to add that the BIGGEST reason to not make it any later than 1 is that I can't wait until the evening!!
It's tough enough the day, night before, and that day.
As some others have stated, I'm just too wound up to wait until evening.
Oh - and one other reason that appeals to us old farts - if the game started at 8:30 or 9, then half the time the Sunday paper wouldn't have their writeups done. This is especially true when you live in the out lying areas.
So I guess it's "get off my lawn and don't mess with The Game".
If you’re going to play night games at least make it a game people have real interest in. Against our RIVAL is much better than a shmuck team (Illinois) or even an ooc opponent.
I like being first. No overtimes in the game ahead of it bumping into coverage of The Game. I also don't want to mess with success. If we were coming off the Cooper years (yes I realize they also started at noon) I would say change everything!
'97 - Molecular Genetics
Night games in November? What a terrible idea...
Hell to the naw naw naw
No thanks. This is a good tradition that doesn't need to be "fixed."
Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith
Can you imagine on November 30 this year how miserable it just might be sitting in the Big House if it was an 8 PM start? Just keep it at noon.
3:30pm kick (which is 1:30 where I live) please. I don’t like finishing my bowl of cereal and immediately starting drinking beer.
Keep it at noon or no later than 1:00. Reason? The PLAYERS get up at a decent time, get to the pre-game meal, participate in the skull session and get fired up by the Band, go to the Woody and start taping and dressing and mentally prepping, warm up and then start beating up on TTUN. It seems to be a smooth time flow.
As opposed to waiting around all day to play the game and maybe not perform up to their best. Just sayin'.
the 3:30 start in '06 was pure magic. absolutely my all-time favorite game in the rivalry. having said that, i'll be there whenever they tee it up.
No Thanks, Noon is good.
This is what happens when you have people telling you this is cool - just because they think it is.
What's next? Thanksgiving moved to a Monday????
Noon sucks. Move it!!!
Absolutely right Dave! Noon start times are garbage.
That is all
"Because I couldn't go for 3"
David, I wish to offer the perspective of a former athlete (in my case, varsity soccer way back in the day in high school and college). If you are playing on the superior team with better talent, you absolutely prefer the best field/weather conditions possible. Poor conditions can definitely serve to level the playing field, so to speak, and significantly reduce the advantage the better squad has.
It seems to me that, based on how much colder it can get at night at that time of year in Columbus and Ann Arbor, I would want to stick with a noon kickoff to enable the players to potentially compete during the warmest part of the day—precisely because Ohio State has been the better team for almost two decades at this point. Of course, if the Buckeyes have one really off year and Michigan is in the mix for the national title, by all means let Fox experiment with a night version of The Game at the Shoe.
Back in Woody's days this discussion would never happen. All home games started at 1:30. Then the TV networks figured they could get two games in an afternoon by starting the first one at Noon. I'm watching or going to the game regardless of when it starts, 6 AM no problem, midnight, I'm there. A night game might be good so the rest of the country can see what a real rivalry is.
Back in Woody's day with 1:30 starts, it was the only game on TV. If in Ann Arbor, it was 1:00. Those were the days when a school could only be on TV six times in two seasons. That went out the window with Oklahoma's lawsuit in 1984.
Why are we confining the discussion to Saturday? Let's go all out:
Why not 7:30pm on Friday night, on ESPN 8 The Ocho: BigTen-sion brought to you by Dominos Pizza!
Alt unis? How about offense and defense in different alt-unis? Footballs stitched of scarlet, maize, gray, and blue!
Replace the marching bands with a 45-minute half-time show featuring Hall (but not Oates) and Peaches (but not Herb) singing while driving dueling monster trucks!
Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.
No night game.
It depends on where you live. Here on the west coast a noon game EST is 9:00 in the morning PST. It's kind of brutal to work the whole week then wake up early on Saturdays at 7 am to shower and shave for a 9 am game.
I know it's not going to change very much, because the TV networks have their schedules. But if I had my preference, it would be 3:30 EST games for every game in the regular season.
Just wishing, but I know it will go nowhere.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
Giving the Fans an extra 3+hrs of drinking = Bad News bears!! Giving the fans an extra 8+hrs of drinking = Another Government Shutdown!!
No! If the game didn't start at noon, by 3:30 or 8:00 I would have a heart attack.
Besides........, you want people to watch?
"For the season, it ranks as the highest rated and most-watched college football game on any network. The previous highs were a 6.6 and 11.5 million for Alabama-LSU on CBS earlier this month.
It also delivered the largest college football audience ever on Fox Sports, excluding bowl games. The previous high was 13.0 million for the 2013 Ohio State-Michigan State Big Ten Championship Game.
The 7.5 rating ranks second all-time among Fox Sports college football games — again excluding bowls — behind the 2013 Big Ten title game (7.9).
The game had an additional 145,000 viewers on Fox Sports GO, bringing the combined audience to 13.35 million.
Despite airing at Noon ET, Michigan-Ohio State earned a higher rating and more viewers than both games of last year’s NCAA Tournament Final Four — including Michigan’s win over Loyola-Chicago (7.2, 13.15M). Both of those games aired in primetime, albeit on cable"
Noon or 1:00 start for me. And as already posted, the TV people aren't fools. By staring THE GAME at noon, it puts eyeballs in front of TVs and the Ad revenue starts early in the day and continues into the night. In a year for which the Bama vs. Auburn game has no significance at all....then you might see THE GAME at 3:30....but then and only then. Otherwise, it is a Noon game.
I want to see the best football possible and prefer the best conditions for football. The Big Ten thinks that they are doing the right thing by limiting prime time games including "the rivalry" in November as the weather turns cold. They are actually hurting the conference. In November, it is the winds that impact Big Ten football games more than anything. In November, the winds are almost always higher during the day than at night. During the day, winds can pick up to 25 or 30 miles per hour and then drop down below 10 mph after the sun goes down. Just wanted to put this out there as another reason to consider a prime time start. We have all watched big ten november games where the wind brings the offenses to a halt. I always pay close attention to the wind forecasts late in the season as I am sure all coaches do as well.
I honestly wanted it at night. I thought the shoe and even then shithouse would be spectacular at night with everything on the line. Even since were dominating the rival its still the best in sport. I thought that it should be the last show of the day since other rival games play at the same time. But after reading through the comments I have reversed my stance. The Game should be played at 15:30. And since we have a history of playing bad in shitty weather against that ScUm little brother. Im cool with noon or 15:30 start. Lets not change anything and start a new precedence here.
No. Winter night games blow.
I despise the noon start time and support any other time at or after 3:30pm.
The only good thing about a noon start is that I don't have to wait all day for The Game. That much I appreciate.
Other than that, I'd love a later start time. Try a primetime kickoff...I think it would be a spectacle. The first one would be historic. You wouldn't necessarily have to do that every year. I'd be perfectly fine with a 3:30 kick. I was at that 2006 game...there was something cool about watching the rivalry take place under the lights, even if it was for only part of the game. It was something I'd like to see more, but we haven't seen it since.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but it feels like most other rivalries in college football do not always start at the same time every year like this one does. Why does the start time have to be a tradition?
Class of 2010.
I was at the 2006 as well. The atmosphere was awesome; however, by the time the game was over and I walked back to my car, I was absolutely frozen. In short, if one is sitting in a living room with a cold one and the heat turned on, it would be awesome. If you are at the game and the temp is less than, say 20 degrees, it would suck big time.
Let's play the game on a neutral field.....and play it the very first game of the season...
Should be a night game. 8 pm
Never forget how we got screwed in 98
Well, so is saying, "it's tradition" and having no follow up argument. We are not Neanderthals.