Ohio State Falls To Michigan State, 62-44, Scoring Just 13 Second-Half Points

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BrutusB's picture

Lol. They went on a 10-0 run in about three minutes. We couldn’t score ten points total in the first ten minutes of the second half.

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Mortc15's picture

I see a bunch of role players, one or 2 of which needs to be a star player and they just don't have that guy right now. Luther and Washington should turn into really good players, just not there yet. 

Wesson is a good player that has basically reached his ceiling IMO. All of the upperclassmen still play like freshmen with some of their mistakes. That to me, is the biggest problem. I dont mind mistakes from younger guys but when CJ, Woods, Wesson are committing turnovers and plays, it's hard to bear. 

This team always plays hard though, and I can live with that for the time being. 

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stxbuck's picture

This. Woods and Jackson aren't changing their stripes as seniors, chalk this season up as a delayed rebuilding year.

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Seattle Linga's picture

A tale of two halves. 13 points in the 2nd half isn't gonna do it. 

Focusing on Penn State !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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CincyBucksFan's picture

This is a truly awful basketball team.

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ibuck's picture

IMO, they are physically better than they play, but they usually do not enjoy good guard play.

Looks like trouble between the ears for way too many of them.

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BUCKEYEYANKEE's picture

Fat Kaleb Wesson is a true physical specimen. He cannot run, jump or move his fat rump in games. Quadrian Banks should be fired as the strength and conditioning coach. None of these kids can take any contact under the rim. Honestly, Ryan Pedon what the f..k are you doing in practice. 13 f..King points is all they could muster for n the second half. Bench Woods. Holtmann gets a pass with Mattas shitty players this season but Woods is on him.

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DrSpaceman's picture

This is truly one of the worst things I've ever read on this website. Well done.

"Medicine is not a science" - Leo Spaceman

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BUCKEYEYANKEE's picture

Facts don't care about your feelings!

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DrSpaceman's picture

On second thought if trash talking a college student on a website helps you feel better about your life, I'm all for it. We're all with you in this difficult time, Buckeyeyankee. Stay strong!!!

"Medicine is not a science" - Leo Spaceman

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BuckeyeBig2012's picture

Banks might deserve a raise if you consider what he had to work with when Wesson first showed up on campus. Wesson needs his continued attention and the services of a nutritionist because he's not in basketball shape late into his 2nd year on campus. 

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BUCKEYEYANKEE's picture

Really, he is still overweight! Fat Kaleb should be down at least to 240 pounds to 250 pounds by now, the kid is at 270 pounds. BMI is 28.9 and 30 is obese. Percentage of body fat should be around 10% for NBA player and that is generous. Fat Kaleb isn't taking strength and conditioning seriously.  A pound a week is not that much considering you are playing basketball and he is young man in his twenties which is peak metabolism years to burn calories and fat. Alot of the other players don't look in peak physical shape on this Buckeye team. Look at alot of the other Big Ten teams like Maryland, Purdue and Iowa don't see alot of weak bodies and calorically challenged bodies sorry to offend you Spaceman. It's the truth! Most of these Buckeye guards get blocked running full steam. They are not in peak shape. Quadrian Banks deserves to get canned. How many times has CJ had cramps in games? It's called hydration. IV fluids, Gatorade and Emergenc- C folks not hard to figure out here.  If you consider poor athletic performance like that as a raise you have incredibly low standards. 

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BrutusB's picture

I’m gonna need you to stop referring to him as Fat Kaleb. He’s a kid playing a sport for my alma mater in his free time. Criticize his performance all you want but namecalling just makes you look like an awful person. 

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PRO8's picture

You have not seen enough bad BB if you think this is a truly bad BB team.

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Buckfrombirth's picture

As frustrated as this team has made me over the last 45ish days, your comment puts it all into perspective. Thanks for that, seriously. There are brighter days ahead.

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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stxbuck's picture

They obviously never saw the end of the Ayers era....................

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Buckfrombirth's picture

I was at OSU for Greg Simpson and Jamie Bosley. I remember not only the bad b-ball, buy also wondering if my stereo would be in my car every morning.

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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stxbuck's picture

I was also there at the time. The team shot at and stole from each other!

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Delamobob's picture

http://bracketmatrix.com/

We're projected as a 8-10 seed right now (38th on KenPom), in a rebuilding year after our best player left, with only three of Holtmann's players, just three years out from losing an entire class of 4-star players. We play intense, ugly, defensive basketball and Holtmann is allowing us to play at a higher level than our talent would indicate.

This is not our year, and we're probably going to end up a 9 seed and lose in the first round of the tournament. But there's always a chance that our "awful" basketball team could get lucky and make a run in March. It seems pretty reactionary to talk shit about a good team when we were actually terrible before Holtmann got here.

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

I call BS......they are NOT going to even make the NCAA let alone be seeded in it......NIT at best...

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Delamobob's picture

Bubble is really weak this year, I think barring us basically losing out we'll be in. We have quality wins @Cincinnati @Creighton @Nebraska @Indiana and at home vs. Minnesota. If we can take care of Northwestern twice and win one of our home games vs. Iowa or Wisconsin we won't even be in too miuch danger.

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KYBuck's picture

If today is an indicator of how the balance of this season will play out, then Bucks will NOT be in the NCAA tourney. Might be an advantage if they went to the NIT and possibly made some noise. Would be a little momentum toward next year. I just want to see them continue to play hard through this season, however it ends.

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skinnytrees's picture

That second half summed up this season

Disappointing 

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wyatt's picture

I didn't think they could play any worse. I was wrong. I could probably pick up 5 guys on the local court that would play smarter and more like a team. 

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Tree_Trunk's picture

I knew that the second half would go differently than the first, but I was not expecting that steaming pile of crap. 42-42 with 8 minutes left, and then we just fold. Embarrassing.

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IronPastor's picture

First half was good....2nd half was probably the worst half of basketball I have seen played at Ohio State...

Need to clean up a lot.  Washington is playing himself into big time minutes.

Get better and lets try to get it Wednesday!

GEAUX BUCKEYES

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

From up 6 at the half to an 18 point loss.

13 points in a half of basketball 

Absolutely nothing once again out of Woods. 

Play for next season. This pitiful product needs to be put down like a dying dog.

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

He really is. Play Washington and bench him.

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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wyatt's picture

Wake Forest leftovers. Not good. 

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BuckeyeBig2012's picture

Never understood the infatuation with graduate transfers. Woods lost his spot to a freshman and left. By the way, Wake Forest is 9-15 (2-10) right now. There's a reason these kids leave and it rarely has to do with the educational opportunities at their next school. 

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Buxki84's picture

2 pts. over the final 7:30. Not that we were lighting it up before that. Some really ridiculous shots attempts, turnovers and charging fouls. And not getting to the line enough.

I'd rather be a minute early than an hour early, 'cause I like to procrastinate.

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Cooper's picture

It can’t be overstated how bad this team is right now. They can’t dribble, they can’t pass, they can’t shoot. The only thing they do with any sort of regularity is at least play hard, but they sure as hell don’t play smart. There is so much work to be done to be a serious B1G contender again.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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BrutusB's picture

That’s not true! They also turn the ball over and miss layups consistently. 

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stxbuck's picture

That's why Coach Matta isn't the coach anymore-tOSU got a mulligan on their rebuilding year.

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NHBuckeye's picture

Just couldn’t hold on to the momentum.  Great first half.  The second half was bad, to say the least.  

Fields of Dreams

 

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98sb715's picture

Embarrassing. Well, enjoy the NIT. 

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Jvillebuck's picture

NIT and 1st rd loss to a MAC team. Toledo, BGSU, Kent St or Akron can beat this team.

"We're going to give the ball to dumb-ass and grind meat"--Woody Hayes

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TheVictoryBell's picture

Another tough loss. We just didn’t have enough in the second half. We missed so many shots in the paint and on fast breaks and we didn’t get the foul calls that Michigan St got on those drives. 

Looked like C.J. Jackson started cramping up again in the second half. That really hurt because he was playing well. That’s on the trainers not forcing him to drink every timeout. 

Raftery was right tho, if this team can play with the same focus that they played with for most of the game today we could have a nice finish to the season. 

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

An absolute meltdown. First half looked good. What's the explanation coach ?

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BucksHave7's picture

Let’s focus on the posative, we won the 1st half!!! 

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bigc's picture

If I'm being honest I knew at halftime they would lose. Honestly I was debating if I'd even watch this game. They are beyond frustrating to watch and when their games do nothing but anger me I know it's probably not worth watching. When MSU went up 8 I turned it off. Glad I didn't turn it back on.

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BucksHave7's picture

How did you know that at halftime? Especially since KW had only 1 foul.

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bigc's picture

Because I've been watching this team the entire season. They didn't look great in the first half, Michigan State just looked worse. We blew a 9 point lead at home against Michigan State and we did the same thing today.

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BucksHave7's picture

Fair enough. Can I get your help on my Tournamet bracket.?

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bigc's picture

I mean were you confident they would win at halftime? Of course I didn't know without a doubt they'd lose, but again they didn't look good in the 1st half, and you couldn't expect MSU to play that poorly for an entire game.

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

13 points in the 2nd half and Coach Kent didn't pull Luther out. He was playing one on five basketball and playing out of control. When you have that BAD of a total half, you have to start looking at the coach.

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Buckifan4Life's picture

Unwatchable basketball. Out of control shots, ridiculous turnovers, fast break blown baskets and typical falling apart at the end of the game. I'll wait for the cavalry coming in next year to designate any more time to Buckeye basketball. Good luck to them the rest of the way though.

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wyatt's picture

Agree completely. Much respect for you keeping your name in this drought. 

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ibuck's picture

 cavalry coming in next year

Don't rely too much on freshmen to save the day. Typically it takes them until their 2nd or 3rd season to bear fruit consistently. Even if they are rated highly, they still have to demonstrate they can play at this level.

There are a lot of fundamentals the sophomores and juniors still need to learn. Does it seem reasonable to expect more from the freshmen than from the older players?

Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Cannot be any worse than this garbage 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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RedQueenRace's picture

I'm hoping CJ Walker can provide some steadiness at PG while Carton adjusts to the college game.
 

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

I hope next season Hortmann plays the young kids. Carton needs to start from day one. 

Today should not surprise anyone. They are a terrible team. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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BigJoe21's picture

13 points?! Ah yes another 2nd half implosion

Our Honor Defend

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I_Run_The_Dave's picture

I don't get to watch a lot of basketball but the first half was very promising. Then they came out flat and failed to take advantage of many opportunities in the second half. That cost them nearly as much as giving up a 20-2 run to close the game.

I will say that they came out with a great gameplan to start, but Izzo seemed to adjust to start the second half and then we quit. Don't know if they just ran out of steam or what but that last 8 minutes was beyond pathetic.

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Buxki84's picture

Really poor offense in the 2nd half. The team made so many errors and looked worn out. They couldn't even execute when they had numbers on the fast break. Kaleb had a terrible 2nd half, especially considering Ward was out.

I'd rather be a minute early than an hour early, 'cause I like to procrastinate.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

13 points in 20 minutes of play. My god that is beyond pathetic. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

Agreed...............

Saban on a cart eating cold pizza

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

If the Bucks ever play a worse half of basketball, I hope it comes long after I'm dead.

The amazing thing about scoring only 13 points is that we spent something like the last 10 minutes of the game in the bonus. After Wesson hit those free throws to put us back in the lead, which happened around the 9:30 mark, we scored only 4 the rest of the way.

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TheSpiteHouse's picture

So you’re saying 4 points in 9:30 of game time isn’t good enough?

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BucksHave7's picture

And KW only had 1 foul on him at that point.  Why was he not getting te ball everytime

Can Luther Mohammed please keep his dribble below his head. 

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mockjocks's picture

It's sad to see the way the game ended - because they absolutely brought it with energy and defense. They deserved a closer score But the reality is this team is completely out-manned against any ranked opponent. We don't have the talent and it is what it is. The 2nd half basically looked like a Varsity team running a JV team off the court in practice. I feel bad having them have to have performances like that on national TV with the 1p CBS spot - cuz it does so much to the eye test for the NCAA committee. Anybody who's really looked at this team knows they've got major deficiencies, and it played out on a big stage today.

All that said, I've enjoyed watching this team fight and scrap all season - more than watching more talented Buckeye teams in the past slump around and give no effort. No question I'd rather watch this team. I hope they keep fighting.

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SaltyD0gg's picture

The NCAA needs to make some changes. Collegiate basketball is slow, low-scoring and often boring. Follow the NBAs lead and implement changes that will drive up scoring. Having the leading scorers for the game with 12 and 14 points is just gross.

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Delamobob's picture

*Dickie V voice* That's just Big Ten basketball baby!

But actually, college is much more entertaining to watch for me, probably just because March Madness is by far the greatest event in all of sports. 

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BrutusB's picture

It was low scoring because we couldn’t make a shot, even missing layups over and over agin. What do you want them to do? Make the hoop bigger?

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SaltyD0gg's picture

Make the games a bit longer, shorten the shot clock, change the continuation rule, etc. There are tons of things that can be done to impact the scoring. Add a 6th foul for guys. Who wants to see 3 guys a game get bounced? I get that our offense sucked and that's why our scoring was low. However, MSU only scored 62. 62!

While I don't need to see 178 points scored by one team like the NBA all-star game, 50-60 point outputs just suck. And don't get me wrong, I like defense. But if I wanted to see 44 points in a game I'd go see a high school game.

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KYBuck's picture

Nope. You can keep the NBA-style garbage. I like college ball because they still value defensive skills. No one in the NBA gives a damn about playing defense, it's just run and pop or dunk. Make 'em earn those points. That's what I enjoyed so much about a dude like Aaron Craft -- may not have been the best shooter/scorer, but his defense was so much fun to watch. Left it all on the court.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Sad thing is when they played hard until the end and still lost by 18 points and scored 13 points in a half. 

Juat shows how little talent they have. Maybe next year with an infusion of talent and experience it will help, 

But this year is just toast.

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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BuckeyeBen7.7's picture

Played extremely well in the first half, then the second half happened. Second half:

Points - 13

Turnovers - 11

That ain’t gonna win many games. The first half shows how good this team could be. Second half showed how bad they could be. Complete 180, gotta regroup for Wednesday.

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ibuck's picture

Yep. Consistency is crucial to success.

Young players (freshmen & sophomores) are often inconsistent. They need upperclassmen to steady them, but OSU's seniors are inconsistent too. 

Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Problem is that none of the issues are getting fixed. They are regressing. Offense gets worse every Game and turnovers just keep increasing. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Brah Zhole's picture

Can’t fix not having shooters mid season 

gabbagool

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Brah Zhole's picture

Brahs,

We still don't have a player who can score a basket when desperately needed.  Looks like Washington has these skills so hopefully we see more of him, but this team has no shooters.  And when your big man is going to miss a lay-up, and throw bad turnovers, you're not winning against a well coached team. 

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tampatom's picture

Hard to go with the young guys, Luther M was out of control, washington has lost confidence in his shot and Ahrens can't play defense, so he has to play Woods and Jackson..Saying 13 points in second half is on the coach is a joke. The team plays hard and while it is not pretty its better than the end of Matta years where some games the players mailed it in

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BucksHave7's picture

It’s like Luther M was out there wearing bowling shoes. 

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Crumb's picture

I've seen chickens with their heads cut off play better ball than that.

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lax20's picture

This team blows!  Holtman either sucks as a coach or player evaluation in his recruits.  Either way he will be looking for employment in 2 years.

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BUCKEYEYANKEE's picture

I'll evaluate Holtmann in year four and five. One thing is you can blame Holtmann for getting Keyshawn Woods that guy is a flat out bust. CJ is who is he is right now. Andre Wesson is a MAC level player at best. Fat Kaleb is too fat and they have to slow the game down for him. Guards are not fast enough to make fast break points. How many times have fast break layups been blocked by opposing teams? Need to recruit foreign players who have a thorough knowledge of the game. 

Honestly, when the second team MSU players are making points on your first team players you don't have alot of talent. The MSU walkon scoring over Woods was the final straw to me sit this scrub on the bench. 

Years four and five will be Holtmann's true evaluation period. 

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BucksHave7's picture

Ok you made me laugh and thanks, but Foreign players?   Why does Thad Marta come to mind all of a sudden. 

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BUCKEYEYANKEE's picture

BTW The coach was Jim O'Brien not Thad Matta. #3 Gonzaga, #4 Virginia, #24 Maryland have foreign players and it seems to be working out for them. That team up north named #6 Michigan did pretty well with foreign players named Staukas, Wagner and Brazdeikis!. Brazdeikis averages what 15 points a game. They stink. I would take any of them over the Wessons any day of the week. I remember Kaleb getting his butt handed to him by a certain Illini center named Bezhanishvili last game. Kaleb couldn't even score on the backup MSU forwards and centers. 

I'll take foreign players!

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BucksHave7's picture

Thanks. I’m getting old, that was Jim Obrien.

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BucksHave7's picture

71% winning % so far in his 2 years at tOSU.

Not too shabby considering it is the B10 and not all his recruited players.

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RMLogic's picture

For all the good Holtmann seems to have done, his coaching was lousy today.

He kept playing Muhammad and Woods when all they did was force stupid shots, play lousy defense and turn the ball over. Their +/- ratio was like -20 each. Both should have been on the bench the entire 2nd half.

And for him not to start Washington and give him 30 minutes a game is inexcusable. He is the only player on the roster that can shoot and show a glimpse of one on one ability. This is a NIT team going nowhere, DW needs the experience to be the starting shooting guard next year along side Carton at PG.

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costinjr's picture

Who else does he have? This isn’t on Holtmann. I imagine he’s as frustrated as the rest of us. Everywhere he looks he either has a mediocre player or a freshmen, sometimes both.

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WezBuck28's picture

Ok look, I'm I'm Holtmann, I'm sending a message to my guys, their ass's are benched until they get the message..period..poor passing, poor offensively, can't make a damn layup, free throw shooting isn't where it needs to be, noone can box out and rebound except for Young..take their asses out and let someone else give it a shot..

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RMLogic's picture

Good thought except none of these players are any good. They do play hard but are lousy offensive basketball players. Obviously most of the team does not put in the time in the off season to become better shooters.

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WezBuck28's picture

That's my whole point...neither are the starters..why not switch it up and make a statement?

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RedQueenRace's picture

I'm looking forward to a starting lineup that includes Joey Lane, Danny Hummer and Harrison Hookfin.
 

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GoinghometoMars's picture

Watching, which I can't stomach anymore, brings back those pitiful memories of Amir and Loving Team.  With any kind of 

passion, you are quickly driven insane with the pathetic execution and level of play.

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RMLogic's picture

Lol. Loving is Michael Jordan compared to the offensive talent on this team. These guys do play hard , something Amir, Lyle, Loving never did. But no team is going to win with such poor offensive talent.

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31BBuckeye's picture

Starting to think that coach is NOT the anointed one....gets out coached constantly and doesn’t seem to know how to motivate....if this shit continues with the new guys next year, you MUST cut sling load immediately!!! 

don’t start with all the “you are a defeatist shit” either ...stone cold facts here

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BucksHave7's picture

I’m still a huge Chris Holtmann fan, but one day I’d love to see him get irate and emotional on a bad call or poor play.

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costinjr's picture

He does this. He’s been T’d up this season and has fought for his guys. Holtmann being outcoached is such a lazy criticism of this team. The only players that are truly his guys are freshmen. Say what you will about Woods, but at some point you need bodies. The fact that Holtmann has made Andre Wesson even remotely serviceable should be a testament to his ability to coach and develop players, something that was done maybe one time in the past 10 years.

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Sanitarian2's picture

He did bring one of his guys from Butler with him but yeah, he was left with little by Matta.

Sani

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stxbuck's picture

Young never suited up for him at Butler, just switched his commitment/got out of his LoI,.

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buckzilla1's picture

Holtman is a wizard but he can only work his magic so long with this group of guys. It isn't him. 

The only true worry we should have about this 2019 team is this:

Why is Sevyn Banks wearing number 12?

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Huskerbuck's picture

Holtmann inherited a roster mess. . . no quality upperclassmen as we can see not to mention his first grad transfer has not lived up to expectations or anywheres near his former production.  Let's give him another year or two to show what many of us believe he can and will do. 

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JimmyVanP's picture

i know we played really bad in the second half but wow those spartans love to flop on the ground a lot

so many charges called on us but then the other end of the floor winston trips and tosses the ball in the air and gets two foul shots because of it

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BucksHave7's picture

Sparty is definitely better at flopping than we are!

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JimmyVanP's picture

sad, we cant be the best in anything 

"I feel ready for whatever awaits me on the other side. I don’t fear adversity. I don’t fear the spotlight. I don’t fear success. And I don’t fear failure." - Braxton Miller

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BuckeyeChief's picture

After the last two games, all I can say is I’m looking forward to Young and Washington getting more minutes.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

It is amazing this team has won 16 games at this point 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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BucksHave7's picture

I was feeling good with 10 min to go in the game and KW only having 1 foul.  Do we only feed KW the rock inside when he is in foul trouble?   I just don’t get it.  

Hats off to Tom Izzo.  We made McQuade and Goins look good. 

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BucksHave7's picture

At least we had November and December!  

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MaxPowerBucknut's picture

By the way, Braxton Beverly looked pretty good yesterday in NC State’s game against Duke. Would have had several more assists if his teammates had finished some bunnies that he completely set up for them. He would have solved a lot of the poor guard play on his team. 

OSUCOM 2008 Graduate. Go Bucks!

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BucksHave7's picture

And D’Angelo Russell would have been a junior on this team!

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

This is Russell's fourth season in the NBA, so no.

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BucksHave7's picture

What if D’angelo Russell stayed in college, he sat out his sophomore and junior year to create a worldwide website that took off with 2B users, made him a billionaire and then came back to play with 3 years eligibility at tOSU and this is his senior season of tOSU?

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BUCKEYEYANKEE's picture

You made me laugh. You absolutely know nothing about Buckeye basketball. You don't know coaches, the players and you say idiotic stuff about Russell. 

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IronPastor's picture

This coming from the guy who refers to our center as Fat Kaleb???  Are you the same person, or is someone hacking your keyboard.  I find it hard to hear your coming at someone for saying stuff about Russell when you were saying some of the most hateful stuff I have ever heard on here aimed at college students...

You cannot talk out both sides of your head and have people expect to hear you!

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JKouga's picture

The second half was very hard to watch for the Buckeyes. Just very cold shooting and sloppy play all 2nd half.

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buckeyestu's picture

This is a very bad team. NIT may be unreachable. Maybe next year the guys make the NIT.

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BucksHave7's picture

Is being an NIT Bubble team even a thing?

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stxbuck's picture

Yes, ask Bob Huggins this year.

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Bellyup's picture

This team has been hard to watch for years now. Even when they've won it's not pretty. If anyone can turn it around I believe it's Holtmann. I hope at least

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wigmon's picture

We are who we thought we were.  We don't have much talent and athleticism.  andre has made solid strides in three years, but his ceiling is limited by his athleticism.  I think kaleb is probably about at his ceiling, unless somehow he can squeeze some athleticism out of his body.  I think the frosh have some room to grow, but you just can't expect a lot out of frosh that aren't top 10 recruits.  jallow and young will be solid role players for a couple of more years, but just don't offer much offensively right now.

The guys play hard and I can at least get behind a team and root for them if they are giving max effort.  We still have a shot at the dance, but I don't think its going to happen.  

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FireManBuckeye87's picture

I like to think of myself as generally positive when it comes to sports, and particularly when it comes to young teams. But I can honestly say what we saw in that second half was the worst half of Ohio State basketball I've seen in 31 years. I include down Randy Ayers years, Jim O'Brien years, and Thad Matta's last teams. 13 points in 20 minutes against a team in Michigan State that was playing poorly! The basic miscues, blown layups, poor decisions, turnovers, lack of communication, and nothing changed in that entire 20-2 run. I mean you name a negative, it was there. I consider this to be an inexcusable performance. I think we can almost all say we didn't expect to win this game, and I can live with losing. However, losing like that is not only embarrassing but inexcusable, we are a quality division 1 college opponent with talent. Thankfully it's only 1 game, but I thought we were bad in the Illinois game and couldn't play worse, I was wrong.

On another note, it didn't really matter but did anybody else notice the officiating was god awful in this game?

On to the next game! Keep the chin up Buckeyes and show some pride! 

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IronPastor's picture

I knew it was going to be bad in the 2nd half when the refs completely botched an out of bounds ball call and followed it up with a flop foul...my wife saw a new side of me today watching the game.  I really despise what B1G officiating has become across all games...its really sad.

GEAUX BUCKEYES

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The Rill Dill's picture

That out of bounds call (over and back) was absolutely horrible. If a ref misses anything by that wide if a margin, he should be fined/suspended. 

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Jay_sizzle's picture

I really cant blame Holtman if OSU is bad for a few years.... Matta left this program in shambles when he was fired & it doesnt make it easy that recruits dont want to come here anymore because of how bad he left it. That being said .... we have terrible players at the moment with CJ Jackson & Woods leading that group. Realistically, next season we have to hopefully hope Washington or Carton is ready to step into the starting PG role & we need more Centers ..... I find utterly ridiculous our tallest player is 6’9 (more closer to 6’8 tbh) , what happes to 6’10 & 6’11 players???? We need to desperately recuit centers & revert back to being able to play a PG-SG-SF-PF-C line-up .... not a PG-PG-PG-SF-PF (wesson is more of a power foward if we’re being honest) or PG-SG-SG-SF-PF , we get beat to easily & we need to start unleashing Luther more tbh , I would give him WAAAAAY more freedom than he has 

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MaxPowerBucknut's picture

Do we even have a PG?  Seriously asking. It doesn’t seem like any of the guys who play guard know how to take care of the basketball without turning it over just under a billion times a game. 

OSUCOM 2008 Graduate. Go Bucks!

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Jay_sizzle's picture

CJ Jackson has always been a “Guard” , he is an undersized SG , but he lacks essential skills to be a guard.... struggles to pass , drive , inconsistent shooting & just turnover prone. And Woods? He is just a terrible PG 

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PhillyBuckeye27's picture

I usually don’t miss Ohio State hoops but I decided that today wasn’t worth watching so I went ice skating with my daughter and missed the game. Doesn’t appear as though I missed much.  How many turnovers did we have today? North or south of 20?

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Hovenaut's picture

Missed the game, family event.

The recap, and the comments, paint the picture.

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BuckeyeDevil's picture

I think we need to have some perspective. We KNEW this was going to be a bad year and anyone who thought that a 12-1 start was a foreshadowing of things to come was woefully optimistic considering B1G play had not really started.

Are we forgetting that the Buckeyes lost an entire 5 man class that would have been seniors this year? Matta left Old Mother Hubbard's Cupboard pretty bare for Holtmann. He pulled a rabbit out of the hat last year, but the rabbit was clearly going to be much harder to find this year. I don't think there is any coach in America that could make this a successful season given the youth and lack of a star player like Bates-Diop last season. 

I am tired of the naysayers. This is going to be a lengthy rebuild. Let's talk about crappy players and poor performances a couple of years from now. This team at least plays pretty hard which is more than we can say for previous teams.

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thedewman10's picture

While I agree with most of what you said, second half’s have ben nothing short of dismal and really a total team  fail. That’s the most unexplainable part for me with a coach like Holtman

TheDewMan10

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MaxPowerBucknut's picture

I think it’s what we are used to seeing from the football team, but in reverse.  Other teams are simply better. They have better and more athletes and basketball players than we do. Our coaching keeps us in games the first half, but then athletically superior basketball players take over and win the game. 

OSUCOM 2008 Graduate. Go Bucks!

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H8UM's picture

As bad as that meltdown was no way I’m going to put a grade on holtmann as a coach until his fourth or fifth recruiting class. Let’s see what kind of roster he can build. I’m as frustrated as the rest of buckeye nation and with the way they played last year and a 12-1 start this year we all got a little spoiled. In his first year with a June hire he was able to keep KW, pull Kyle Young from butler, and got Jallow to reclassify. His second class was 27th nationally, 6th in the BIG and next years is 10th nationally, 1st in the BIG, if that’s not trending up I don’t know what is and there’s still gonna be question marks to find solid perimeter scorers. There’s gonna be growing pains but I have a feeling it’ll be worth the wait... GO BUCKS !!

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Bratwurstcapitalbuckeye's picture

Talent is just not there yet. I think they are an overachieving team. I think next year when they get some big-time talent they will do great things.

Go Bucks!

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ScarletNGrey01's picture

Yikes.  Well ... our incoming great recruits gotta think they will get immediate playing time LOL, so there's that.

Keep fighting hard boys, to paraphrase Kipling losing and winning is an illusion, did you give your best is what defines the character of a man.

I expect the program to improve considerably in the seasons to come.

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

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BucksDad159's picture

I love Thad for what he did for OSU over the span of his career but the recruitment meltdown he experienced a couple years ago is HAUNTING us now....give Holtman a chance to bring his guys in....CJ is just BAD....REALLY BAD....and Woods just shy's from taking a prominent role in any game as a senior....Andre simply at his apex right now and Kaleb isn't athletic....guys like Young,  Ahrens, Luther and Duane are the future.....LaDee will take development time....patience from a historically impatient fan base is what is required right now.....way too many issues to make the tournament...any tournament probably. 

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