Anyone from Ohio knows that the biggest sport in the state is buckeye football. Good choice brother!
This coming from a guy that lived in Cincinnati for 20 years.
Can they catch him? No they can't, touchdown.
He won’t stay more than 2 years.
I hope so. If that’s the case, it most likely means we had a pretty damn good defense.
Chris Ash was here for just two years and that went pretty well. So I’ll definitely take two solid years from Hafley...if he is good, I would be all for paying him $2.5 million or more as the Venables type.
Coach Hefley with great decisions right out of the gate.
I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...
That makes me feel confident that he’s a quality coach.
well they also hired a HS head coach soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
I’d be more worried if no one was going after my coaches. That tells me they’re not very good. See previous OSU nepotism/buddy hires like Bollman, Sicilano, Z. Smith, and others.
Billy Davis got an NFL job, Taver Johnson got an NFL job, Greg Schiano got an NFL job. Let's not guage the quality of coach from NFL offers.
"The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish" - Charlie Chaplin
Sometimes coaches are better suited to the NFL where they are working with finished products vs having to actually teach and develop players.
Some serious desperation going on there in Cincy.
Priority #1: Beat Michigan
How is that desperation? He’s a quality coach.
The down vote is a mighty tool. Use it on idiots, not differing opinions.
When will people learn that coaching in the NFL is actually a step back from coaching a power 5 school in college?!?
"When you help someone up a hill, you get that much closer to the top yourself..."
This is a bit overstated. Being a defensive coordinator for the Bengals is better than a defensive coordinator for the Kansas Jayhawks. But being a defensive coordinator for OSU is up there with the best of them.
Not a step back from coaching just any Power 5 school. A step back from coaching an ELITE Power 5 school
"You get to coordinate where you can win a lot of games with the right type of people, and that's the culture here. That's where it's different."
Nuff said. Bring on the Spring already!
"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody
High Character, check. Good enough to be a legit coordinator for NFL and College football, check. Excited to see him blow up larger than life, damn skippy check.
"I don't apologize for anything. When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes
I'm continue to be impressed with Coach Hafley and am excited about what he will do at OSU. Go Bucks!
Interesting that the Bengals would try and poach a coach OSU just hired. Not a good look. It reeks of desperation, and it doesn't send a good message in the state of Ohio. Give him one year at OSU at least.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!
It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
The Bengals can go kick dirt, losers.
Who Dey Beeeyotch!
As a business you look for the best talent.
As much as this reinforces my belief Ryan Day hired a good one in Hafley (much like when the Titans tried hiring Day last year), it also makes me believe we wont have the guy for very long either. Hoping he sticks around for 2 years to fix the D and sign us some new star DBs thatll give us a shot at the CFP.
"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine
That sounds pretty good to me! Sign me up, and while we’re at it let’s groom Al Washington for future DC.
Making the right decisions in the right place....more confirmation we have a good one.
Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.
I knew I liked this guy - well done coach.
The more I read about Coach Hafley the more I like him.
Fields of Dreams
Perennial top 5 college football program > the Bengals. This isn’t a tough choice.
The reason Archie struggled in the NFL with Cincy--different/LACK of offensive line compared to powerhouse College Buckeyes.
JI row end 78
It looks like Day made a great hire, and that he won’t be here long.
Get comfortable and win with your players and the team. After 3 amazing years your resume will shine like a giant spotlight. Lighting up the night sky.
What a legend
Ohio State Buckeyes > Cincinnati Bengals
And it’s not even close.
Easy decision. Good decision. Welcome aboard Jeff.
TG Proud Buckeye alumnus.
Didn't Coach Meyer typically ask for at least two years with his new hires? suppose Coach Day is doing the same?
I hope he does, because it makes sense to. The bengals try to poach him 2 months lol.
You can ask but unless it's in the contract...it's just an ask , a verbal agreement and not a contractual obligation.
One thing to keep in mind though: it goes both ways. If you stipulate that coaches stay at least 2 years before looking for other opportunities, you have to give them 2 years of opportunity to prove their worth before replacing them. As much as people bitch and moan about Urban being "too loyal" or nepotistic, if you expect loyalty from your staff, you have to show loyalty in return.
Suck it Bengals.
"Where you can win a lot of games with the right type of people, and that's the culture here. That's where it's different."
How true. Hah, and he's not likely to get another call from the Bengals. Not that he's gonna care.
Isn't Hue available? Go Bucks and Go Browns!
You win with people.
Ask Baker Mayfield....Hue has an offensive mind..../s
Gotta love it.
With all due respect to the Bengals, did they honestly think he would leave Ohio State after one month to go to Cincinnati? Kinda gutsy.
Taking my OSU hat off for a second I always wondered about the difference between college and the Pro game. Listening to many coach's through the year it seems to me the Pro's is the cats meow if your a coach? It's a fact that not to many make it as a head coach in the Pro's as they change yearly from team to team. To me being a coach in the NFL seems to be a easier gig at least the work load. You don't have to recruit and travel all over the place 12 months a year and have down time to be with family. No phone calls to make, camps and everything else at the college level. Along with the pay has to be a buck or two more. Again I think no matter what college team I coached at I think I would jump if the Pro's called me. I know Hafley mentioned winning and a nice staff he is with now as a plus to be here but deep down inside is it? What else could he say in front of Buckeye Nation during the presser and some of the coaching staff in the room? Then again maybe he is being honest but I look at the work load and money part. OK my hats back on and glad he will be around for at least this year. Along the same lines I bet if you water boarded Mathison he would tell you Hair Ball is a ass and couldn't pack fast enough to get out of town. Washington a bit different he is home now but he would say the same I bet.
I didn't look up any stats, but my guess is that if you are talking non-head-coach salary, NFL is comparable to upper echelon college teams (OSU, bama and other perennial top 10 teams, etc ), but the rest of NCAA FBS is not comparable to the NFL. Since Hafley is here, I bet salary is not a big component of his decision making. You do make a lot of good points about duties that college coaches have that NFL doesn't, mainly the year-round recruiting. So that's a plus for the NFL side of the "where to coach argument", but don't forget his statement about character of people. NCAA players are still moldable and much more willing to listen & learn. The NFL, while there are many high character people, is also full of prima donnas who are way more interested in marketing themselves than sacrificing anything for the good of the team. I don't mean this to color all, or even any ballpark percentage of NFL players, in a bad light, but I would think the chance to work with kids who WANT to listen to you and grow and learn, would be way more appealing than dealing with the egos of (a few of) the superstars in the NFL. I do watch the NFL as a casual fan (go Browns) but this is why I LOVE college football and just have a "meh" attitude towards the NFL.
Some of these head cases I see have trickled down to high school these days. The Pro players today many are not showing a good example for todays youth. Either way I didn't bother to look at numbers either and in my life time I can't recall any coach ever saying anything really bad about another coach. Many times these guys ask silly questions at these pressers.
I cannot recall the coach, but I've heard a head coach quoted as saying the time spent on the head coach job in the nfl is continuous non-stop year-round, and then you're also dealing with the owners' personalities. In another life I knew some owners--it wouldn't be unusual to have to deal as a head coach with a real a--hole owner or their gm. The stressful thing I'd guess if you were an assistant, would be dealing with the frequent head-coach regime change and the associated staff turnover. Saturday and Sunday levels both have their respective perks and advantages--but, personally speaking, I think, if I loved coaching, I'd stick with a lower profile position of some sort (I'd prefer what LJ is doing, for example.) And, hah, the hairball--definitely not a boss I'd want or wish on anyone.
It obviously sounds like he had the opportunity to stay in the NFL and he coached in college for 5 or 6 years. I’m guessing his desire to be a college coordinator right now is based on some personal experience or preference. I doubt he made the choice willy-nilly.
I bet if you water boarded Mattison he would tell you Hair Ball is a ass and couldn't pack fast enough to get out of town.
LOL! Go Bucks1966 - you hit the nail on the head, but I'll bet it would take a lot less than water-boading - maybe tickling his feet - LOL! Good one!
As a Bengals fan, this is just a bad look. Not sure what they were thinking. Terrible decision.
You never get a hit if you don’t swing. What do they care about how long he’s been at OSU? They are trying for the best hires. I’d be annoyed if they didn’t swing for some fences as a fan.
They try to poach from OSU coaching staff and get turned down. All the swinging and missing looks bad.
I stopped rooting for the Bengals a decade or so ago because they always did stuff like this. Now I can just laugh at it.
Just curious, what is the average assistant coach salary in the NFL?
"According to ESPN, the average salary for assistant coaches in the NFL was $150,000 to $175,000 in 2000. Since then, salaries for NFL coordinators have shot through the roof. In September 2009, the Los Angeles Times, citing an NFL source, reported that the average NFL defensive coordinator made approximately $850,000."
I'm guessing salaries aren't any less these days. It's more about what you want from the job, I think, and the 'culture' word is key. It's something the school needs to guard just as much as their so-called brand, because it's the substance of the program(s).
Something that annarbor lost and cannot find.
I believe Mattison will be the guy to leave in two years and Hafley will be sole DC waiting for a head coaching gig in college. With his ability and excitement on recruiting trail, I think he fits college better. Plus more stability in the bigger college schools than in the pros
It seems coach day knows how to evaluate coaching talent. The key is replacing that talent, something Meyer struggled with. I believe Mattison and Johnson will retire in 2 to 3 years and Hafley and Washington will be promoted to dc and co dc respectfully. I have a feeling Hafley could be Ohio State's first 2 million dollar assistant if things go like I think it will.
That could definitely happen. Another possibility in the event that Mattison and Johnson leave is the addition of Marcus Freeman. I could see Washington moving to D-line in place of Johnson and Freeman taking over as LB coach & Co-DC
Thank you coach Hafley. That would have wounded this young staff. Made a great impression on me.
The soldier is my son. The school I gone to didn’t teach much grammar.
Why would he want to coach for the second best football team in the state,.....???
...and I'm not sure hey are even second.
Is Marvin Lewis still available? /s
Glad Hafley is staying with the Buckeyes. Smart decision.
As a Bengals fan, I know that schemes have not been the problem. Bengals must get better at evaluating and drafting talent. Too many poor draft picks. Undersized players all over the roster. Draft a top-notch run stuffer at DT to compliment Geno Atkins. Get tougher on both offensive and defensive lines. They need to flip about 10 spots on the roster.
I'd rather be a minute early than an hour early, 'cause I like to procrastinate.
I’m failing to see what the Bengals did wrong here? Don’t we want our professional teams to try to hire the best? Are we insulted as buckeyes fans they tried? Are OSU coaches untouchable? Please
Yall are acting like OSU is above professional teams when it comes to attracting NFL teams.
Would I be disappointed if he left for the Bengals? Yes, but what in the heck is it our business if Halfey wanted to take the interview?
It's because it's the Bengals. Mike Brown and his family run that business like a minor-league franchise. In my opinion, it's not out of ill will on their part, but rather because they're incompetent. They need to get out of the football side of the business because they can't evaluate talent.
So if they can’t evaluate, is Hafley bad?
Thats the falsity to that. Hafley is a good coach. Bengals like him and wanted to see if he had interest. He didn’t. Moving on.
That doesn't prove anything. What's more relevant is that they had about a 0% chance of getting Jeff Hafley. Heck, they might as well have called Luke Fickell.
A better question is how come the Bengals are having so much trouble finding someone to take their DC job? They had a chance to elevate a coach or two over the last few years, but instead they kept Marvin around, hoping things would magically get better. Coaches now avoid the Bengals because they know it's a Mickey Mouse operation.
That still doesn’t explain to me if Hafley is a good coach or not. NFL teams always sniff around college coaches. Zac Taylor isn’t a scrub and it’s a departure for the bengals to try something new by hiring a young person. Mike Brown has stepped back from his bad Jerry Jones imitation so spare me the blind Bengals hate (I assume you’re a Browns or Steelers fan) and try to look at the story with some rational lenses.
Please don't assume that I'm Steelers fan. I absolutely loathe that organization. And I'm somewhat indifferent when it comes to the Browns. I root for them except when they play the Bengals.
I have been a Bengals fan since 1970. For the most part, there was confidence in what Paul Brown was doing because of his highly successful coaching background. Mike Brown has no such background. Fans had to hope that Mike learned from his dad and well, quite frankly, he has a poor track record.
I hope Taylor succeeds, but since Paul Brown retired, it's been a true graveyard of coaches, with the exception of Forrest Gregg and Sam Wyche. In order to succeed, Taylor needs to bring some of his own players in, draft wisely, and change the culture. Big task for such a young man.