That is because Haskins is a running quarterback. Cant win like that in the NFL.
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"The Haskins to Terell Owens hook-up will be awesome to watch especially when Owens matches up with Ronnie Lott on the outside."
-Stephen A. Smith
Lol don't get me started on that.
I think it's mostly the analysts who are enamored with Murray, but I think scouts and NFL personnel see through the smoke screen and know that Haskins is the clear #1 and it's not close.
Murray is for sure the #2, but Haskins has all the tools you want in a prototypical NFL QB, and he should be, and by all appearances, will be the #1 QB off the board in the draft.
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You are correct. Haskins is a boring pick. There is not a lot to talk about him. Murray is the sexy in pick. Highlights and athletic plays. Haskins will be first QBs taken. Murray will be the most scrutinized. OSU fans will have their typical martyr syndrome. Claiming it’s bias or Haskins will use it as a chip. Fact of the matter is Haskins is about guaranteed the first QB taken.There is no disrespect. No bias. No shade. These GMs don’t care about espn,Todd mcshay,kiper. They are highly intelligent individuals who know football and have a team of scouts looking at these guys. They are not fans. They professionals. They screw it up sometimes, but a lot of times they right.
Every draft article I've seen has Haskins being the first QB off the board. Him and Nick Bosa have been the headliners of the draft and there hasn't been any anti-Ohio State bias from what I can tell.
Right. Nobody is dissing Haskins. Everything I've seen has him going as the No. 1 QB, in the early 1st Round. Merely projecting Murray to go in the 1st Round (which would be a bold move, IMO) doesn't disparage Haskins.
I think the Jags are going to try and snake the Giants and move up. It will be Coughlin's final F U to the Mara's.
Jags are supposed in hot pursuit of Foles.
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makes more sense. Coughlin hates rookies/young players. He almost always ops for the veteran
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Yes, but his hate for the way he was forced out may trump that feeling; similiar to Don Nelson and Steph Curry.
The Jags think they are just a piece or two away from the AFC crown. And not interested in developing while the window is open, which they are probably right. The Eagles have no desire to let the Giants or Redskins get him so franchise tagging and shipping him to a controlled destination is likely. Be a tricky situation inking him long term Jacksonville has a lot of young guys that will be do money soon.
Edit; I originally read “overrated”. My bad.
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If anything, he only has one season under his belt. Going to the right place/coach, the sky is the limit.
Don't be surprised if Murray comes off the board before Haskins. I don't think it's likely but I wouldn't be surprised. The NFL is basically a neighborhood of gossipy housewives looking over their fences to see what their neighbors are doing. Just like how nearly every NFL assistant under 40 that has even high fived or breathed the same air as Sean McVay is getting a coaching job now, GMs are seeing Baker Mayfield and thinking that if they draft someone with his skillset, it will produce identical results.
The NFL is basically a neighborhood of gossipy housewives looking over their fences to see what their neighbors are doing.
That's an eerily accurate statement, IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if I walked into the Bengals' draft room, and the "Big Board" was just a printout of Mel Kiper's top prospects. Except it's just the top-5 because Mike Brown didn't want to pay to become an ESPN "insider."
Just like how nearly every NFL assistant under 40 that has even high fived or breathed the same air as Sean McVay is getting a coaching job now
Speaking of the Bengals...
I totally agree with what your saying. How everyone wants to compare Murray to Mayfield blows my mind. People thought Baker was small at 6'1", 215 lbs. Well Murray is 5'11" on a good day and 195 lbs soaking wet. His body will never hold up under the pounding he'll take in the NFL. Sure Baker is small, but he's still closer to Aaron Rodgers (6'2" 225 lbs) than he is to Murray. The fact that some GM is going to stake his career on a QB like that is insane. Sheer job preservation says you shouldn't draft him before the 4th round. When he inevitably breaks, that GM is getting fired. There's no way I would take him even before a QB like Clayton Thorson. Is Murray the more talented of the two, absolutely, but I find it far more likely Thorson sticks for longer in the NFL.
Exactly. I was saying the same thing all day yesterday. Everyone thought Mayfield was small at 6'1 and he is two to three inches taller than Murray. Murray will also need to bulk up significantly which imo take two to three years before he can handle a full NFL season.
Murray is not 5'11 lol -- my guess is he will measure just under 5'9 at the combine...
That would be why I said, "on a good day"...
These New flashy QB's that can both Run and Sling it are Opening eyes wider on Murrey (the Mahomes Effect) but honestly when's the Last time that type of QB won a SB? Haskin's is a Dead-eye slinger and he'll get necessary yards on the ground! He'll have a better and longer career! The True Pro Scouts see Haskins as the better of the two!
I do not think that he is underrated by any means, if anything I think the sure fired NFL success predictions are a bit extreme. I do think that he has the chance to be at the Andy Dalton level in the league but I don't think he will ever be elite. Not that there's anything wrong with being a very good QB in the NFL
Not by buckeye nation, but by the rest of the media he is.
I'm confused... did you just refer to "Andy Dalton level" and "very good QB" as the same thing?
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
I mean, Dalton's been a starter in the League for 8-9 years, has been the Playoffs several times, and has had moments in which he's looked very good. Note: I'm in the camp who wants to move on from him.
Would you put money on Murray having a similarly successful career in the NFL? I wouldn't. Which is what, I believe, the poster was getting at.
I will be surprised if Murray is a starting NFL QB in 4 years. Whether from lack of NFL talent (size/scheme) or injury. He's flash in a pan.
Who's "dissing" Haskins? Isn't he projected to go in the top 6 or 7 in basically every mock draft?
Praising Murray doesn't need to be taken as a shot at Haskins.
Stephen a Smith and majority of the media are already saying Murray will be a better qb than Haskins.
Watch where they are drafted. Not what some liberal talking idiot has to say. He is not staking a half billion corporation on it. Money talks . We all know what walks.Steven A is full of it. No NFL GM consults him. It’s like asking a low income money squandering turd for financial advice.
I heard around here that Stephen Smith has some accurate analysis on quarterbacks. Bwahahaha
People who pick Murray as the next big thing are just trying to draw clicks by making a #hottake because it's understood by a preponderance of journalists and analysts that Haskins is QB #1 in this year's draft.
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Please Please Please let Snyder force his GM to move up and take Murray.
My opinion is Murray at his height and weight will take one massive hit will not be the same, just like Griffin.
...and RGIII is MUCH bigger than Murray. I'm not saying you're right, to be clear, but Kyler Murray's slight size (5'9" - 5'10" 180 - 190lbs) will be a problem, imo. Can it be overcome? Absolutely, but that doesn't mean it's not going to be an issue until proven otherwise. Haskins is a big guy, and not weight room manufactured big, but a naturally big man.
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Murray might be okay in the NFL if he plays behind a decent O-line and is coached out of running on first instinct like Russell Wilson often does. The problem is it's very unlikely that the running portion of Murray's game will be coached out of him and at his size all it takes is one massive hit, one foolish decision not to slide and instead absorb contact (which RGIII was known for doing) to deliver a potential career-shifting injury to him. That's the risk any team faces with drafting him and for that reason I think he's not a great long-term investment at QB.
The Haskins disrespect is getting to absurd levels. The guy is literally the NFL prototype and just had one of the best individual seasons EVER. Pair that with our 2016 defense (Lattimore/Hooker/Conley), or really any competent defense, and its one of the best teams in CFB history and Dwayne becomes an all-time legend.
Murray is exceptionally talented but he's also an RGIII waiting to happen in the NFL with his size. Which would make it incredibly ironic if the Redskins were to draft him lol. But Haskins is a far superior NFL prospect IMO. He's got all the skills you want in an NFL QB. Murray will struggle throwing over his offensive line OTOH at his height.
Aside from the whole "Haskins-vs.-Murray" narrative--am I the only one who genuinely, objectively is concerned about the over-valuation of Murray's skills?
I'm not even talking about his size, his style of play, or how those two may or may not translate to the NFL. I honestly think (and I think the above video makes clear) that Murray has some mechanics issues. Now obviously, if he goes to the right system, none of that matters in the long run, but his passes are nowhere near as crisp as Haskins or a number of other QBs in this draft. His spirals are less tight, his placement is often off, even on wide-open passes. He throws wobbly balls because he's so often throwing while running.
So I don't see the comparison between these two athletes and Mayfield-Darnold last year. As a guy who did not like Baker Mayfield at OU, it was still glaringly obvious that Mayfield's accuracy and mechanics were excellent compared to Darnold. Heck, the majority of OSU fans were saying the same thing after the USC game last year.
This is not the same thing. Murray is fundamentally a worse quarterback than Mayfield. He might be quicker and more elusive, but that's about it. I just don't understand how this guy is a top-ten pick. Add all of it together--diminutive height and weight, shaky mechanics, tendency to run and therefore absorb hits--and he has to grade out as a low-end first-rounder at best. I would venture to say that while he's capable of electric plays, I would take a Lamar Jackson over him.
I would have so loved to see him play in the scarlet and gray one more year. He will be the best pro QB to come out of Columbus ever.
How many Super Bowl winning QBs are less than 6'? Not many. How many are less then 5'8"? None.
Fine, be enamored with his film. Then have him stand next to Dwayne and you are on the clock....
I actually think if they have enough picks that Elway and the Broncos @ #10 will try to jump in front of the Giants and Jags for Haskins -- he can end their search for that franchise QB that has eluded that franchise lately...
Mike Greenberg ('Greeny") on ESPN's "Get Up" today closed the show emphatically saying Haskins was THE best QB in CFB last year and should have won the Heisman -- which I said last December...
I reproduced this from a twitter post, but the only modern era player under 5'10" with over 10 td passes is Doug Flutie. Best part of the list is that Greg Pruitt and Earnest Byner show up on the list
There are some GMs that are not sold on either Murray and Haskins. Both played in systems that are not NFL offensive systems against defenses that could not defend basic crossing and pick routes. Both have some negatives in the pocket- Murray is way too small and Haskins was only average when pressured. A GM also said Haskins needs to shorten his delivery a little to get the ball out quicker against pressure. Neither is as good as Mayfield. Haskins has way more upside if he gets to a team that can protect him just like Big Ben and Rivers. Thats his potential with the right organization.
If Haskins stuck around for one more year he would have been a hands down day one starter. He'll still be a starter but after a few games. Murray will be the flash in the pan and couldn't make a pimple on Haskins rear end.
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