Lifespan of the Schott

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bucknut1994's picture

The Schott isn't getting knocked down anytime soon.

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BigWillRIP's picture

Not soon enough. Renovate St John’s!!!

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macdaddybuckeyesupreme's picture

They need to keep the schott for concerts and such. A basketball arena closer to campus specifically for men's and women's basketball. Student section behind both benches, and cat fancy can just stay home

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LMS1971's picture

Women need a size appropriate arena to maximize sellouts and foster an atmosphere conducive to winning. 1-2000? Also something that can hold a 200m indoor banked running track.

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bsk33's picture

I don't understand the sentiment to get more students to the games. They don't show up now. There are empty rows behind the hoop every home game because hundreds of students don't show up. Heck, there were empty seats behind the benches for the Rutgers game. I know it was a noon game against Rutgers, but get your asses out of bed. You already paid for the ticket. And the students that do show up have less energy and enthusiasm than most high school student sections.

Cat Fancy is not the problem. There are huge donors in every major arena that sit on their hands. Getting osu students to show up consistently and be loud and getting a much better upper bowl experience for the common fans (not sure if that is possible) are the main issues that need fixed.

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BuckminsterFullback's picture

Well, the Schott was built about as far away from the students as it could be.

If you live east of High Street, or south of 12th Avenue, (as many students do), it's a l-o-n-g walk to the Schott, and 2 1/2 hours later, after the temperature has dropped another 5 degrees, it seems like an even l-o-n-g-e-r walk home. January evenings in Columbus aren't exactly ideal for a 2-mile walk.

I'd guess that, if the university would operate express bus service from the east side of campus, back and forth to the Schott, they might get more students to the games. It would probably take a few years to catch on, and it would be expensive.

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mr.green's picture

Seriously? A LONG WALK? And it’s cold?  If any actual college student uses this as an excuse he/she is way too privileged and needs a cold long walk. 

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bsk33's picture

Yeah, I get that. But it is also about 10 mins at most to walk from SJA to the Schott. It's not a crazy difference. And there are a decent amount of students that live west of the Olentangy River, where the Schott would actually be more convenient.

If the location is so inconvenient, don't buy a ticket. That is what drives me nuts. You know where the arena is and you paid for a ticket. Show up and be loud or don't buy a ticket.

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magruder80's picture

As far away from students? If you are in the Veterinary School its the exact same distance but yet somehow that school gets students to attend. And its like 200 yards past St. Johns, I don't think its the venue location that is the problem.

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jpfbucks01's picture

get 4 people to share a $5 Uber ride then, man talk about lame excuses

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osudray's picture

There is 100% a Nuthouse bus service on campus that runs through east campus and drops you off at the doors of the Schott 

Keep Calm and Buckeye On

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The Rill Dill's picture

The student section is currently behind both benched2. The students sre the problem, not the location of their seats.

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magruder80's picture

I am confused here, what do you mean closer to campus? It is across the street from St. Johns its not like its a mile from campus.

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analyticalguy's picture

It's been a long time since I've been in Columbus. How wide is that street?

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jpfbucks01's picture

The walking distance between the 2 is less than 1/3 mile ie about 7 minute walk between the 2, much of that spent waiting on the light at Lane and Olentangy

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Buctor's picture

St John was built in 1956, VCA in 1998.  Doubt it is going anywhere in the foreseeable future!  But if a trend is established (it isn't), maybe in 2040?

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ThePritch's picture

St. John’s is a condemned building, it’s only a matter of time. It was built over an aquifer, and is sinking every year. Not to mention the heating/cooling systems are dinosaurs and didn’t work particularly well back when the building was in use. OSU has put a lot of money into the Schott, and the Schott makes a LOT of money in return. Don’t expect it to go anywhere. The only hope for the Schott-haters is for a new building, but that’s not happening any time soon

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CC's picture

Are you making this up or is that just hyperbole?   Being condemned would imply it could no longer be used and obviously it is still being used.

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The Rill Dill's picture

Heating and cooling is an easy upgrade. The reason The Schott was built, is because St. John didn’t have boxes for the rich people to be seen in. Aquifer/schmaquifer.

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bsk33's picture

Being that they just poured millions into rennovations, I don't know if it will happen in my lifetime (I am 41 years old) unfortunately. This may seem like a dumb question, but does anyone know if it is structurally possible to lower the upper bowl so it is closer to the court? Even if that eliminated a couple thousand seats, that to me is the major problem. You feel so far away from the action up there, that I feel like fans don't have any motivation to be loud because you feel like it is impossible for the players to hear you.

As for St.John Arena, I am excited that Holtmann is embracing the arena and we are playing at least one game a year there. And I attended the game in November. It was awesome. But I think SJA would need so much money in rennovations (restrooms, concessions, the sound system, the scoreboard, the actual seats, etc.), that it would not make much financial sense to pour that type of money into such an old building. Don't get me wrong, I would become a season ticket holder with Sja as is (I only get the 4 game package at the SChott). But I don't think osu would feel comfortable having 20 games there without a complete make-over. If the Schott ever ends its days as the home of the Buckeyes, my guess is it will be at least a decade from now, more likely at least 20 years from now. When it does happen, osu will build a new arena. Hopefully one that will hold closer to 15k and will be a much better fan experience.

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KCAlum's picture

Strip St. John "to the studs" and re do it, kind of like they did Soldier Field in Chicago or old Yankee Stadium.  Much better than tearing it down or building a new arena from scratch.  The Schott is a bust as a home college arena.

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gobucks1966's picture

Basketball is not huge at OSU except when they are winning. The team needs to win and get some players that are elite to get excited about. I have no Idea how many attend a game but 14,000 at St. Johns is about max. and looks impressive but 14,000 at the Schott wouldn't  look so great with people spread out in a 19 or 20,000 seat arena. My point even with a nice product how many go to the games? I kick myself for never been to either for a game. I think when they built the Schott basketball wasn't the top priority but making money in other area's was like concerts. Hoops just are not a huge thing here year to year. It sure looks impressive from the outside though.

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gobucks1966's picture

If they go through with all the changes and removal of St. Johns like they plan that sounds like game day will be a mess. Eliminating parking lots will hurt tailgates and where would the Skull be moved to or maybe eliminated all together? Not familiar with most of the streets they are talking about. I just get to games early and park then do my thing never looking at street signs lol. So maybe it's going to be better other than the Skull.  I'm still pissed about Hiney Gate.

Denny

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hetuck's picture

1. SJA/French Field House/Ice Rink/Converse Hall will be torn down when the Cannon Drive rebuild reaches north of Woody Hayes Drive. Whether it becomes green space or athletic fields is TBD. 

2. Did anyone see the Kohl Center for the Wisconsin hockey games last weekend? It is a Schott clone and was packed. Is it because it is closer to the students or is college hockey/basketball a bigger deal in Madison? 

3. OSU just put a lot of money into renovating the Schott plus the practice gym. The next step will be a new indoor track and ice facility. Even at that, I expect most mens games to remain at the Schott. Speaking of which, Saturday's game against Minnesota includes admission to the Columbus Police vs. Columbus Fire Dept hockey match. There will be displays outside the arena as well. The weather forecast is good & tickets are only $15 for admission to both events. I think proceeds to the James. OSU has a serious national contender and deserves our support. Having the First Responders there Saturday is cherry on the sundae. 

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BeatMeechigun's picture

I've seen the Buckeyes play at the Kohl Center multiple times.  While similar in date they opened and hockey/basketball format, the site lines at the Kohl Center are VASTLY superior to the Schott - especially the seats on the ends.  At the Kohl Center you feel over the action; at the Schott I feel removed from the action when in the upper level or positioned with a terrible sightline if behind a basket.

Note: I know these angles aren't apples to apples by any means.  But they do illustrate the improved sightlines behind the basket at the Kohl Center over the Schott and the stacked nature of the upper decks vs. the expansive upper bowl at the Schott.

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IHadToGoogleArchiesMiddleName's picture

If you all think the Schott looks and sounds empty during a men's college game, try attending a D-4 girls state championship game. Absolutely feels silent and dead no matter how good of a turnout there is (relative to small town high school girls basketball). It's a borderline eerie feeling on the court at times.

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erniefurgler's picture

Boys state basketball isn't much better anymore.  Partially due to the lack of big name players the past few years & partially due to the gouging of the fans.  $15 ticket adds up if you want to bring your kids & attend multiple games.  The new Residence Inn on Olentangy was $409 for a Friday night stay last year...seems like quite an investment for HS basketball

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IHadToGoogleArchiesMiddleName's picture

Hot dang, that is a ridiculous amount. I've only been back for the girl's games once since my playing days and I believe the tickets were $10 a piece and I didn't need a hotel, but that is astronomical for high school games.

They'll probably keep jacking up the price to compensate for less fans showing up (insert any number of eye roll gifs here)

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erniefurgler's picture

Per the OHSAA website regarding the 2019 boys HS basketball tourney:

 "Single-session tickets go on sale March 18 at 10 a.m. Single-session tickets cost $20 per session for the Entry and Club Levels and $15 for the Terrace Level"

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LCT's picture

The Schott is the crown jewel of the Ohio State corporatist crowd's Vision.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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bucksfan92's picture

Sadly The Schott isn't going anywhere.  I really wish they'd have invested half the money it took to build it into improving SJA, while leaving the parts that made it an awesome home court. SJA is also not going anywhere, as the facility that was going to "replace it" has already been built elsewhere on campus.  And as much as we like to complain about it, OSU has won 85% of its games there since it opened (300-53).  Our winning percentage in SJA is 74% (431-151) - even if we get rid of the last 4 years of Randy Ayers it only bumps up to 77% (402-119). I do like Holtmann's commitment to playing at least a game or 2 every year in SJA, who knows where that could lead?

But last night I got to thinking about The Schott and specifically the arena name which I never use.  That naming rights deal has to be coming to an end soon, I don't think it was perpetual.  Maybe we can get rid of that bit of embarrassment and start playing on Fred Taylor Court at The Schott. Or hell even just having "The Schott" in place of the unmentionable name would be a vast improvement.

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jpfbucks01's picture

Actually the naming rights are forever.

From a Dispatch article from 2007

"OSU’s center opened in 1998, and it was named in perpetuity in honor of Schottenstein’s late father, Jerome. Value City, of which Jay Schottenstein is chairman, provided the moniker for the 19,000-seat arena"

So unless they get a bigger donor to take over the naming, it will be called The Schottenstein's Center and Value City Arena for ever.

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bucksfan92's picture

Ugh.  Well I guess my only hope is that the discount furniture store goes out of business soon.

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BrutusB's picture

They can keep the Schott for concerts and non-Spring graduations and such.

I know it'll never happen because they want to maximize revenue but I'd love a super small basketball arena (like ~7k capacity) that always felt stuffed to the gills with students that were like three feet off the floor. At least then it would be intimidating.

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ApollosGYRO's picture

In my opinion, its just a tough sell to some of the fans. I love OSU hoops but the affordable tickets are up in the nose bleeds and parking is usually a nightmare. I think more affordable tickets with parking would bring more fans in. Like a gameday special 1st come 1st serve for extra tickets should be dirt cheap the day of. The past few games ive gone to it has been embarrassing seeing how many empty seats we have and how quiet/empty it is.

Hell, wouldn't it be fun to have a few games at Nationwide to bring more fans to pregame, grab a bite, etc to pack the house. The shot has nothing around it (close walking distance) to do before the game

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Kyson12's picture

It’s not the building or distance that makes kids stay away it’s the instant technology world we live in these days. I’m the same way, hate to admit it but I want to know what happens now, that’s why I really don’t watch tv anymore. If I do watch tv I record 100% of everything I watch so I can fast forward to the end and see how it ends.  It’s an epidemic. Anybody with me or am I way off my rocker?

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bsk33's picture

Why do the other schools in the Big 10 (purdue, ind, mich schools, even Nebraska)have no problem with packing their arenas with loud, engaged fans?

I think the building and the game atmosphere makes a huge difference.

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jpfbucks01's picture

having OSU in the City of Columbus may be to blame for students not attending games

Most other B1G schools are in smaller "college town" environments and hence "the local game" may often be the best option for a night out.

A short Uber ride and OSU students have a ton more options of how to spend their time in the Short North, Grandview, MLS soccer, NHL hockey etc

Compare that to the entertainment options in West lafayette..

Not sure how pricing impacts it either but OSU is about $4 more per game than Wisky is,, so that may play a small part in it

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bsk33's picture

Valid points. I think having way less Ohio born kids in Ohio State's student body makes a difference as well. Osu football is a top 5 national brand and going to a football game is more of a social/party event than basketball fans. I am guessing a lot of out of state kids could care less about the basketball team but are all about getting football tix.

All that being said, my biggest gripe remains the same: don't buy a season ticket if you are not going to show up to all the games. And if you do attend the games, show some enthusiasm. It's supposed to be fun.

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O-H-I-Owe-U's picture

Value City Refund Policy:
• After your receipt of merchandise, if you are dissatisfied for any reason, you may return it for full refund, less delivery and restocking fees, so long as it is returned or exchanged within 7 days of pickup or delivery. 
• Refunds may only be made if merchandise is in “as-new” condition. “AS-IS” and “One Only” items are not refundable or exchangeable. 

Unfortunately we missed the 7 day window, and it's no longer in "as-new" condition.

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

ST. JOHN

ST. JOHN

ST. JOHN

If you told your wife she was your one true love but you kept calling her by the wrong name, why would she believe you?

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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stxbuck's picture

Ain't happening for a long time. The Schott has a funny way of turning into a pretty darn awesome game environment when tOSU had a quality team playing big time opponents. Will it ever morph into Cameron Indoor against SC-Upstate to satiate fanboy demands-not a chance.

Would it be cool to rehab St. John and use it for a few games a year-absolutely.

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

Yeah, as a Browns fan I noticed a LOT fewer people complaining that FE Stadium is soulless, dull, etc. this past season, when the team went 5-2-1 at home. 

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bsk33's picture

They also got some bad luck with the scheduling this year.

They have 9 home conference games after Jan. 1st. Only 3 of the 9 games were/are on Saturday and Sunday, with one of those 3 being against Rutgers.

No home games this year for two of the biggest draws: Michigan and Indiana.

Next year's team should have a little more hype and hopefully a little more success. They will have Cincinnati at home and hopefully they get more weekend home games and home dates versus IU and UM.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Like the Schott for concerts. 

Would like a hockey only rink like penn state 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Buck61's picture

i can't think of one multipurpose arena that is great for basketball. The size of the court and ice surface are not compatible. This pushes the seats too far from the ends of the court. The corner views are compromised as well.

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jpfbucks01's picture

Ohio State Hoop fans are just fickle.

We have ranked in the top 10 in attendance a handful of time but mostly when we have had very good teams

We ranked between 10th and 4th in the following years: 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2007, 2012, 2013, 2014

And prior to the VCA opening we had not been in the top 25 in attendance for 4 straight years between 1995-1998

and the last time we were at least 10th in St John was in 1980 when we were exactly 10th and only a handful of years in between when we were even in the top 25, and before 1980 the only other times we were in the top 10 were 1978, 1973 and 1972 going all the way back to 1970

So between 1970 and moving into VCA we were in the top 10 in attendance only 4 times, and have been in the top 10 9 times in VCA

The difference is how that feels due to the size difference in the arenas

Example in 1973 we ranked 9th in attendance at just over 13K a game in an arena that was essentially at capacity

Last year we ranked 21st at about 13.5K but the arena holds 18.8K or about 72% full, so even though slightly more people, it "feels" lesser.

The top year for hoops attendance was 2000 when we had an average of 18.7K per game is essentially sold out, we ranked 5th nationally in attendance that year. And we have had several years over 16K.

So i see no end to using VCA over St John in the near future, maybe in about 10 years it will become a realistic topic for discussion, but not now.

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BeatMeechigun's picture

That's exactly the point though.  The Schott is appropriately sized only when Ohio State fields a top 10 team and hosts a top 10 IU, MSU, Mich or UNC/Duke/Kansas type team.  When OSU (regardless of ranking) hosts Bradley or any other mid-major, Penn State, NW, etc. the place is 40-70% full and provides a gameday experience that's about as exciting as a dentist office waiting room.  This year when OSU hosted Syracuse the place wasn't even full.  It's about 4k-5k too large.  There's zero incentive to go to the Schott just to sit 100 yards from the court in the upper bowl unless it's an "I was there!" type game.

Duke could certainly pull 15k+ a game and rake in dough by having an arena with seats or by pushing the students to the ends to let Nationwide, Wendy's, and Elk & Elk host clients, but they don't.  They play in a basketball arena.  I'm not saying we have to have a 7k capacity barn but at least places like Kentucky and Louisville built their arenas for basketball.

Minnesota, Michigan, and MSU all have separate ice arenas and both sports are better off for it.

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gobucks1966's picture

Like the one poster mentioned the picture you can't tell I guess but our barn looks like it's kind of flat while whiskey's shoots up which I would think be better for viewing and noise. Another thing 4 bucks more for a game kids entertainment money only goes so far. I also will go back to what I said before basketball games wasn't a priority when they built the Schott. Not only that the numbers given here we really didn't need a place that holds over 18,000. Either way I never been to a OSU hoop game but the Schott is here to stay. I think when some of these other barns start to crumble we will see more like the Kohl and Schott down the road. Again OSU is not a huge name in hoops like a Kansas or Kentucky and even W.Vir.Plus there is a lot to do in CBUS while other schools not so much.

Denny

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adrianbuck's picture

for 20 years ,been a lot of discussion about the schott.unfortunatley it seems like it was mostly bad.it just seems like it never fit in.

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TomD's picture

Why not, next year, play ALL the basketball games at St. John Arena?  Taking the practical side into consideration, the athletic's staff and other university officials, should start planning for it now.

"Life is ten percent what happens to you and ninety percent how you respond to it." - Woody Hayes

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1989DuckDuckGooseChampion's picture

Lets start a go fund page and try and get half a billion dollars. They could build a 15,000 seat arena and tear down the schott

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gobucks1966's picture

They don't need to bring it down it can be used of other things. Lets call Gene Smith I got a couple bucks to donate. I worry about how long the Shoe will be around? Each time I go there I worry about a weak spot and caving in someplace but then again it may never fall apart. Not a contractor so know little about that stuff.

Denny

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gobucks1966's picture

Many of us bought a home and wish we added a thing or two after it was built or remove something. It seems they made mistakes that are not correctable and now we are stuck with the out come. I still say this wasn't built totally with basketball in mind but a multi purpose arena to bring in the all mighty $$$$. It's probably not a great place for most things like a concert or other things they use if for but just good enough to get by. St.Johns was built for the basketball team in the day not concerts or hockey. I't's here to stay folks and we can't change it.

Denny

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