Skull Session: Ohio State NCAA Tournament Chances, Jalin Marshall Shines in AAF Debut, and Dabo Swinney Says PEDs Could Have Been a Mistake

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I watched a little AAF, and was surprised as well how decent it was. Good on Jalin Marshall for having a huge game. 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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awlinBrutus's picture

In theory, that is what the nfl draft is for, parity. This leagues goal was to have talent levels on each team the same. Putting more emphasis on coaching. Pretty smart model. Imo.

Will be interesting where this goes with Clemson? Not good for the ncaa, especially after the highly competitive championship game. See Dabo is smart, knowing he'd never have the #1 recruiting class, they decided it was ok to even things up. Since he took ownership of it, clemson could be looking @ the dreaded LOIC. Couldn't of happened to a nicer guy line Saban, lol.

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

I will be very surprised if anything happens to Clemson or Alabama (they also had 3 players suspended for steroid use before the first CFP game). It is not the NCAA way to punish Southern teams for their transgressions...

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Dstacify's picture

Ole Miss says hi going into year 2 of their bowl ban. More like it's not in the NCAA's nature to punish programs like Alabama or Georgia. I could see them potentially hitting Clemson with something though just because they haven't been a lifetime elite college football power like programs like Alabama, OSU, and others have (Clemson pre-Dabo was not all that great).

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awlinBrutus's picture

I believe Bama was on probation & sanctions late 90's. Nothing big as I remember it. Auburn as well. So if Bama were to get busted for major sanctions, under the old rules, they could have been looking @ a possible death penalty like SMU. That was until the money exploded in college football. You won't be seeing any sanctions like SMU anymore. They still haven't recovered. 

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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Dstacify's picture

You absolutely would see sanctions like SMU today. It would just only happen to programs like SMU that aren't relevant. There's a reason the death penalty didn't happen to PSU even though they pretty much deserved it for how long they protected Sandusky. The ridiculous hammer the NCAA just dropped on Missouri recently would NEVER have happened to a program like Alabama.

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Buckloving's picture

There's not going to be a "death penalty" again. Even the people who sanctioned it say it was a mistake......IT'S DOCUMENTED not just my opinion

bobbyd

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Alabama rules the NCAA infractions committee and Mississippi had the unfortunate luck to beat Alabama two years in a row. Ole Miss had to be taken down a notch or two.

(Clemson pre-Dabo was not all that great)

(Clemson pre-Dabo was not all that great jacked up on steroids) 

FIFY

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Knarcisi's picture

I mean, football was over. There was nothing. Now all of a sudden, there’s something. It can come from anywhere. 

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IsJoeFlaccoElite's picture

Would love to see the Browns pick up Jalin Marshall.

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Silver Sniper's picture

And perhaps the best part: Christian Hackenberg is ass in this league as well!

Kevin, did you let Tate write a portion of this morning’s Skully? 

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Seattle Linga's picture

LOL Sniper - well done. 

Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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Dstacify's picture

Hackenberg plays like he has PTSD from his time at PSU playing behind an offensive line of ghosts.

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Silver Sniper's picture

I never hated the guy. He was never good enough to concern me. He gets dumped on a lot. I was sad to see McSorely be so much better. Now that dude, I don’t like. 

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Dstacify's picture

I don't hate the guy either. He's just a BAD professional QB. Like Nathan Peterman bad. Like the type of bad QB who would give Colin Kaepernick a stronger case for a grievance against the NFL.

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OSU725's picture

How is the about possibility that Clemson, the team that has come out of almost nowhere the past few years and winning multiple national championships possibly gave its players PEDs not a huge freaking story??

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naplesbuckeye's picture

Because they are Clemson and no one cares.  They are not a national story, so reporting on it would not get clicks or more TV viewers. 

Naples, FL - Columbus South

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iowabuckeyes's picture

The team that won two of the last four national championships and is the favorite to repeat in 2019 is not a national story? Okay...

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Bucks19's picture

Come out of nowhere the past few years? After 2011 they have been a monster in CFB 

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OSU725's picture

Came out of nowhere to be dominanting college football like they are, absolutely. Clemson was a solid program but nothing like they have beenthe last five years. 

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PRO8's picture

So I guess U of Miami stopped using PED's and that is why they fell off...

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CincyBuck's picture

It is...  strange.  Clemson giving its assistant coaches raises makes the front page of the NCAAF section on ESPN.  Yet its players pissing hot as a result of university-supplied supplements isn't?  It makes you wonder.

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Silver Sniper's picture

The other thing that makes you wonder, and to 725’s point above, is that Clemson has not typically been as strong of a recruiting team as the Alabamas, Georgias, and Ohio States, among others. They were sort of the exception for recruiting outside of the top 10 over several years but were still able to compete for national championships. That goes against predictability/forecasting in recruiting data.

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Hovenaut's picture

Sackenburg was better than Suckenburg. My extensive armchair experience aside, but it's almost hard to believe that kid was once being touted as a possible NFL first round pick at one time.

Dabo, Saturday Skully, still premature tourney assessments...

RIP, Grant Reed.

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BucksHave7's picture

Hmmmm.... Clemson officials saying today they still don’t  know where the 3 players PED traces in those tests came where friom?  That is a major red flag. 

Why is that Douchebag Brett McMurphy not on this case?

BucksHave7

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G.'s picture

Ha! Brett... I almost forgot about that one. What a weird dude.

G.

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Dstacify's picture

He's too busy trying to fabricate a story about Ryan Day running a human trafficking ring underneath the Shoe.

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MichiBuck12's picture

Can anyone imagine the coverage if Urban admitted to giving his players steroids? I mean, we got weeks of wall to wall coverage, and he almost lost his job because his former wide receivers coach had a messy divorce. I can only imagine the media reaction to him actually cheating would have been nothing short of apocalyptic. 

I thought the AAF was ok. I wish we could have watched the Orlando/Atlanta game on saturday night but the only game I got was the San Antonio game. I watched a bit of the Arizona/Salt Lake game last night and that was pretty entertaining. The league needs more Buckeyes. Maybe some JT Barrett. Based on the quarterback play I saw, I think he'd be very successful in the AAF.

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Bucknut20's picture

I can't stand Dabo Swinney, mostly for reasons that I can't get into without violating the commenting policy. I'll just say I believe he is a hypocrite and deep down a real piece of shit.

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Dillon G's picture

Good for Jalin Marshall. Bad for Dabo Swinney.

#walkaway

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FitzBuck's picture

If you remember, Grant once named a tumor "Michigan" as motivation to beat it. And he did

This sucks.  I loved that kids attitude and sense of humor.  Fuck Michigan (aka cancer).  

Fitzbuck | Toledo - Ohio's right armpit | "A troll by any other name is still a troll".

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

After he named his tumor, and the story circulated, Brady Hoke gave his family tickets to The Game in AA.  I've always remembered that, and have held BH in higher regard ever since.   

Buckeye Nation has lost a shining star.  Condolences to Grant's family.

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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hetuck's picture

1. The NCAA only tested fifteen players. A baleful Dabo would test the entire squad if they wanted to know the truth. Doubt if it happens. 

2. God Bless Grant and his family. IIRC, both of his parents played in the band. Hopefully there will be a representation at the funeral. 

3. I don't know about heat slowing you down, but I know the SEC believes cold has a deleterious effect. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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ibuck's picture

The NCAA only tested fifteen players

...and 20 percent test positive for PED's?

Suggesting any crookedness for the team that won 2 of the last several national championships would not be a story of national interest?

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WezBuck28's picture

So all those discussions of "Urban to the NFL" were indeed false...that's because he's going to the AAF....makes sense now.../s

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Knarcisi's picture

As you really look at the situation for Urban, it could be a job that came from anything, that was something that was cleared and not a problem, and all of a sudden, it becomes there was something.

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IGotAWoody's picture

Hey Knar, this sentence is really messing with my head this morning.

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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Knarcisi's picture

I know. It’s quite the run-on. But that’s Dabo. Babbling prick. 

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73buckeye's picture

I can't believe Jalin Marshall isn't good enough to be on an NFL roster. He just needed to get away from the Jets to show what he can do. I'd love to see him in Browns Orange. 

ernie

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Knarcisi's picture

Oh yeah, I mean there could be something in the NFL for Jalin. As you really look at this stuff, it could be nothing, something that was cleared and not a job, and all of a sudden, it becomes there was a job for him.

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IGotAWoody's picture

I don't know what's going on, but I like it!

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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Knarcisi's picture

Channeling my inner-Dabo on explaining everything. It’s all clear now, I’m sure. 

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IGotAWoody's picture

Yes, crystal clear! +100

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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blueblazer22's picture

The study on heat and performance is no great shock I suppose. Heat will affect your body, and the thought of heat will affect your mind which in turn affects your body. The brain is a very powerful part of the body, though a lot more dangerous in some than others :)

At least Grant is at peace after battling so long. F--- cancer, and _ichigan as well indeed. RIP young man. 

The AAF was rather enjoyable. I didn't watch a ton of it, but did watch parts of two games and it was certainly better than the Grammys by a long shot. I did not get to see the review process, and having that transparent is just tremendous. Points for being the anti-NFL on that note. And I always liked watching Jalin, so props to him for kicking arse in week 1. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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Meek's picture

3/3, this is too easy for you. AAF also doesn't kick players out of the league for tackling the quarterback. That decapitation hit was a throwback to a bygone era.

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blueblazer22's picture

I must say that I now look forward daily to my score. Didn’t see one for the non-Skully Skully on Saturday over in the forums, but that was a good practice day for me if nothing else. 

I do wonder however how I became the subject of being graded, since I have no idea. I jat happened to notice that scores began to pop up, and here we are. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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Sanitarian2's picture

“They’re going to test everything and look at everything. And that’s the problem. As you really look at this stuff, it could be a contaminant that came from anything, that was something that was cleared and not a problem, and all of a sudden, it becomes there was something."

To be absolutely fair, the supplement industry is not regulated and it's VERY common to find all kinds of trash in their product. Even different batches of the same product from the same company can be way off in terms of how much and what is in that powder, pill or potion. 

Sani

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

The only question that Dabo and Saban are asking is "What the heck happened with the masking agent???"

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Meek's picture

"They’re going to test everything" except the rest of the roster.

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CincyBuck's picture

Yup.  I've heard the same thing.  It's a shady business.

That said...  3 kids test positive and Dabo gives the "aw, schucks, you can't blame us" defense.  I'm not buying it.

TBH, given how big college football is and how significant a positive test can be (e.g., missing the National Championship Game), if I were a big-time program, I'd have somebody test everything that comes in for banned substances -- if that isn't already happening.  That kind of sounds like a no-brainer to me.

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semperfibuck's picture

The next time anyone mention’s fairness as a goal in life, you need only to remember 4 words: Grant Reed, Tyler Trent. Life will never be fair.

Would love to hear that Jalin Marshall has turned around his life, on and off the field.

Do we have great coaches at tOSU or what? Yes, we indeed have great coaches! And Chris Holtmann is one of the best. Papa Wesson has to be thrilled with the development of both his sons under Holtmann.

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IGotAWoody's picture

I missed the story/ies about JM's off field life. Has he had some problems?

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Zombie deer now too?!  Yikes. Who remembers the zombie raccoons, made famous in the Yo.?

"You have to play with emotion, you can't let emotion play with you." - Ryan Day

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Meek's picture

I do not, and you have my interest.

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Pretty funny. It went national. Linked the first story I saw. Actually had one at my house, but it was sitting pretty, begging for food right next to the outdoor cat we took in/care for. We met a couple on vacay in Mexico. They are from Utah. They actually bought those shirts and sent us pics. Funny birds. Those shirts are from “Youngstown Clothing Co”. Biz is based on things the Yo is famous for. 

http://time.com/5229420/zombie-raccoons-ohio-police-reports/

"You have to play with emotion, you can't let emotion play with you." - Ryan Day

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NHBuckeye's picture

I didn’t notice any outrage from McMurphy, Finebaum, or Espn analysts on the Clemson issue.   What gives?

if this happened at OSU their would be uproar.  Full on uproar.  

Fields of Dreams

 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

The difference is this story isn’t sexy enough to pique anyone’s curiosity. It doesn’t have the “he said/she said” soap opera that was the foundation of Ohio State’s scandal. It doesn’t have a long line of character witnesses and assassins providing a laundry list of titillating and tawdry tidbits like we saw in the Zach and Courtney case (allegations of spousal abuse and affairs going back more than a decade; sex paraphernalia mailed to the WHAC; strippers on recruiting trips); there’s been no one else to interview or corroborate or deny besides Dabo. It doesn’t have Dabo outright denying anything the way Urban did at B1G Media Days, which served as an invitation for the media to dig into it; instead, Dabo has plausibly denied where the PEDs came from—he’s admitted the possibility of an unknown and unidentifiable source as the villain: “Don’t look st me. It could have come from anywhere!”

I’m not saying he’s not lying; in fact, I believe he is but until Clemson, the federal government or State of South Carolina, the NCAA and/or the media do some real digging—the way Ohio State and the media did with Urban—which means finding legitimate evidence and/or witnesses willing to go on the record and say PED usage was rampant, this story will probably be dead in a few weeks.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Meek's picture

Good comparison. The positives were reported back at the championship game. This story popping up a month later means it might keep going. It looks like it won't unless the locals keep on it.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Anybody can easily get exposed to PEDs because they could come from anywhere. If you are walking the streets of Budapest and it’s raining, you could get exposed to PEDs. If you pet the wrong greyhound. If you eat a gourmet pizza made with Buffalo mozzarella, there is a chance that the mozzarella will have been tainted from Buffalo testicle sweat and you will test positive for PEDs. 

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Tony Stark's picture

I had an Italian greyhound. never got PED's from petting that bitch. (sorry for those that are sensitive, but she was female dog so bitch is OK to say, even though my sister said it could hurt her feelings, which is silly)

Tony Stark

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

RIP, Grant. Good reminder to me on this Monday that life is short.

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jmmysms's picture

True. Sometimes it takes something like this to have you re access your priorities.

Cancer sucks. 

JMMYSMS

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typeOHpositive's picture

After reading about Grant, nothing else seemed to matter on this Skully....Rest in Peace and may God bless your family.

"I don't want to be around average, why be around average!" -UFM

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BucksHave7's picture

Could Clemson have a systematic and top secret PED program?  Very plausible based on the head coach saying he has no idea. 

If he does know and is lying, thats a problem.   

If he truely does not know, why isnt he concerned about finding out? 

Shouldnt someone at the school know the answer besides the 3 busted cheaters?

BucksHave7

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

We won't be running it until the Bucks are back on the field.

Great! Can't wait to see the Spring Game edition. 

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Kevin Harrish's picture

There will be a spring game edition!

Seattle Linga's picture

I like that we get a peak behind the curtain with these refs on a call that could change the outcome of the game. 

Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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tampatom's picture

Prayers to Reed family, Grant is at peace, but the pain for the family, especially parents, never goes away

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

I like Ohio State's tournament chances. Basically it is win the games you should and get in, so it seems. Gene Smith should get some kind of bonus for his hire of Chris Holtmann.

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Bucks19's picture

Does anyone hate Lovie Smith, who’s 9-27 after 4 years at Illinois? Is he a POS?

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EnonBuck79's picture

2 out of all 10 Illinois fans do not like Lovie Smith the other 8 have no idea who he is...

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

Scientists worry brain-wasting "zombie deer" disease could spread to humans...

This alarming issue has not only affected deer in southern New Mexico/west Texas, but also elk populations in the Sacramentos where I hunt. The New Mexico Department of Game and Fish sets up mandatory Chronic Wasting Disease testing stations during the hunting season throughout certain hunting units to monitor the prevalence of CWD. NMDGF says the meat is safe to eat as long as brain and spinal cord tissues are kept away from the carcass during butchering. But the possibility of consuming CWD does give me pause.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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bornbredbuckeye's picture

They have the same testing requirements here in NE Indiana.

GO BUCKS!!! *ichigan sucks!!!

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jmmysms's picture

As someone who hunts in many states, if you read the rules you are supposed to process the deer leaving the head and carcass where harvested. Meat is OK to cross state lines. If you score a trophy the skull plate is all that is supposed to be brought in.

So far, knock on wood, LA does not CWD but MS and TX do. It is only a matter of time.

Have to wonder if food plots and and mass feeders contribute to this problem? Too many deer? Mother nature has ways of taking care of such issues.

JMMYSMS

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BUCKEYEYANKEE's picture

Rest in Peace Mr. Grant Reed. We are deeply sorry about the loss of Grant Reed.  As Reed family grieves, know that we are remembering and honoring Grant. My thoughts and prayers are with the Reed family. 

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Bucky Buck's picture

That Andre Wesson dunk should have been a +1 play.  You can clearly see that he was fouled on the elbow as he went up for the dunk in that final highlight frame. 

Born a Badger, Raised a Buckeye

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Dstacify's picture

Agreed. That would've given us a chance to ice the game sooner. I was absolutely freaking out when Muhammad (normally very reliable at the line) missed that second free throw. All IU needed to send it to OT at that point was another 3.

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GOOMBAY's picture

Meanwhile in Clemson's compliance office:

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tomgreg's picture

If we beat Illinois, Northwestern twice and take down Iowa at home....we're in. Be nice to take down Wisky at home too! Go Buckeyes!

Onward and upward! Go Buckeyes!

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

In recruiting news, I just read in the Seattle paper that local kid, Sa'vell Smalls (5* LB, #2 player nationally) winnowed his offer list over the weekend, and the Buckeyes made the cut.  As you might expect, the list contains pretty much all of the big boys, plus Wazzu.

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-husky-football/five-star-2020-seattle-athlete-savell-smalls-includes-washington-in-top-12/

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

I was going to make a comment how "Hackenberg is ass my dude" but...the article beat me to it.  

RIP Grant Reed...very sad...fought cancer admirably.

Class of 2010.

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12egulator's picture

It's weirdly difficult to find box scores for the AAF, but Hackenberg was 10 for 23 for 87 yards and an INT. In other words, he's complete ASS. 

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45has2's picture

The AAF had me on Saturday with Jalin Marshall and the OBC and lost me on Sunday with a totally inept Sky Judge. 

Censores irrumasti.

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ibuck's picture

Ohio State beats Indiana.

Though OSU won, you could say Indiana beats up Buckeyes . . .

In his postgame interview, Holtmann several times mentioned how physical the Hoosiers are. For example . . .

With 13:42 left in the game, the 6-8, 232 pound Juwan Morgan, seeking an offensive a rebound, shoulders Kyle Young 6+ feet across the court, knocking him down, then falling on top of him. The announcer called it an aggressive rebound. And the ref called a foul on Kyle Young. Hoosiers scored a basket after inbounding the ball, part of a 7-2 Indiana run.

I wonder what the refs are doing that no one overruled him, especially the ref on the baseline. The play was right in front of him.

View it at 43:40 of this replay.

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