I'm going to love watching these guys develop over the next couple years. They might be the bottom three of this class, but they are still very good athletes.
I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.
According to 247, Munford was also in the bottom 3 if the 2017 class. Malik Harrison was bottom 4 for 2016. Obviously the staff sees something in these players in order to accept their commitment. I’ll take more Olaves, Munford, and Harrisons in this program.
And for the size of the class, no problem. We have guys on the roster already that can play. I think we’ve even has cases where guys that could have been good players here got bottlenecked in the talent pool. We’re fine, and numbers say we had to take a small class here anyway. The 2020 class should be a really good one. And when you have the 2019 class sandwiched by the 2018 and 2020 classes, you’re just fine.
Also, class of 2015 outside of McCullough, bottom 5 were Hamilton, Berry, Arnette, Alabi, and Bowen. This program knows what it’s doing in recruiting.
The bottom 5 of the 2015 class getting so much playing time was more a result of the top 5 not panning out.
But you're right. If you're on scholarship to play football at OSU, you're probably pretty damn good at football.
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Yep that’s true (I used composite). Crazy that Crowley almost made the cut this year.
Considering how much talent comes out of Florida year in and year out it’s pretty crazy that Florida’s Gatorade POY completely flew under the radar nationally. OSU did an amazing job of stealing away what may be the nations best kept secret. Miami fans were really pissed when he flipped to the Bucks. A lot of Star Gazers didn’t seem too impressed when Crowley committed but I think they’ll be pleasantly surprised when JK goes pro.
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3 star kids like - Cardale Jones, Michael Thomas, Jeff Heuerman, Devin Smith, Bradley Roby, Daron Lee, Malik Hooker, Malik Harrison are fine with me
Truly an amazing list.
Just from a physical standpoint - Young, McKenzie, and Jones all have the potential to develop into big time players at Ohio State, something I'm sure wasn't lost on staff.
I think each will be worth the wait.
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Speaking of waiting, why are we waiting to transition Alex Williams to OT? With the recent DE recruiting successes and ultra thinness at OT, you would think that Williams' best shot at seeing the two deep would be at OT. 6'7 with the athleticism to play DE, pack on a little weight and he would almost immediately be more helpful on the other side of the ball.
What say you, Hove?
Not sure, GV - I didn't realize there was even a year talk on Williams working on offense.
That's an interesting consideration, he seems to have the frame to build into that for sure.
I'm all ready for spring ball, so much to get into.
I am curious as to how a scouting service even ranks players.
You have the measurables: height, weight, technique, 40 time, 20 yard shuttle, all of the weightlifting numbers....
How do these factor into rankings? Football IQ, Attitude, Determination, Resolve, Being Coachable....
With film study, being coachable isn’t the easiest to see but is an extremely important trait.
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“How do these factor into rankings? Football IQ, Attitude, Determination, Resolve, Being Coachable....”
Agreed. These attributes are more important than anything at the college level, and turn 3 star guys into studs. Just ask AJ Hawk and Malik Hooker.
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Another large component seems to be whether or not a player attends the camps put on by said scouting service. If players don't go to a lot of camps, or skips the camp of a particular scouting service, the players drop in the rankings of that particular scouting service.
Another large component seems to be whether or not a player attends the camps put on by said scouting service
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The one thing that I always though was BS about recruiting is how services pass out stars and change player rankings based off of summer workouts in shorts and tee-shirts. I’ve seen kids that received a certain ranking from a recruiting service after a season of actually playing football change because they either underperformed in the camp circuit or because they chose no to do camps at all. Over the years I’ve learned to concentrate more on offers than rankings. Offers don’t lie.
They should add Hutzpah, Moxie, and A Certain Je Ne Sais Quoi.
Dawand Jones has a few things going for him, which make him a real diamond in the rough. First off, you can't coach "size" and he's got the long arms, frame that make an O-Line coach salivate. He has athleticism, since being a basketball player with his weight, would require him to have great agility - just imagine how quick and agile he'll be once he sheds that excess 40 lbs ??
As for his film, well he still a bit of a waist-bender, rather than bending at the knees when he blocks, but shedding that extra weight will make it easier on the knees and making that change is a coachable thing. He has very good feet (probably because of his basketball passion) and kicks out very well in pass pro. He also uses his hands well, keeping the defender away from his body, while in protection.
My favorite feature, is his ability to play to the whistle and THEN finish his block. He never seems to take a play off (are you listening, Isaiah ??) and looks to have great intensity when he's engaged with a defender.
I'll be watching for this young man to be up with the two's within his second season. Once Mick gets his hands on him, the sky is the limit and he may just be the steal of this recruiting class !! Go get 'em, DJ !!
Ole boy has newly 5" and 80# on his DT counterpart. That's crazy.
Canukbuck: It is beyond belief what people DV on 11W. 1 UV from me to neutralize.
Thanks, SG43157, as I didn't notice the DV, but appreciate the UV from you ...... Not sure why someone would DV my assessment of the young man, unless it's for my slight on Isaiah Prince, who's (unfortunate) trademark during his tenure with the Buckeyes has been his inconsistent play. Prince has all the talent and physical gifts to play in the NFL, but he'll need to go to work on every play, if he wants to play at the next level.
I would bet a fair amount of money that those 3 recruits will work harder than anyone and be contributors by the time they leave OSU.
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It all makes sense now how Pete Werner was one of the lowest in his class. It shows on the field. Hopefully some change at that position is coming. If we do run some 4 2 5 in the future put Brendon White there for God sake. White was basically playing safety and OLB on the same snaps. Then have Shaun Wade at the other safety opposite Fuller.
Would love to see a shakeup in the back 7, and I would really love to see White playing the Darron Lee position. Whatever happened to that?
Malik Harrison and Baron Browning as your inside LBs and then White at the walkout position seems to make too much sense. Jordan Fuller alongside Josh Proctor as your deep two and then Wade and Okudah on the outside with Arnette coming in as the nickel when Browning comes off - keeping Harrison as the lone backer on passing downs. That just seems like the obvious way to get our best players on the field, but what do I know?
He’s a little undersized and is caught out of position more than he should, but he’s athletic. I’d bet that after he adds another 10-15 pounds and sees some better scheme/coaching, you’re gonna see a very strong OLB.
With that said, we got some stud linebackers waiting. We could very well see new starters next year.
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^^^ This, I am actually pretty confident in his potential!
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It’s all about player development, get them here, hit the weights, in the playbook and you can toss star ratings out the door
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Sometimes lower ranked players end up producing as much or more as highly ranked players. They come hungry and ready to work. If I recall correctly a few years ago we recruited a three star QB that eventually won the Heiman trophy.
You remember incorrectly, Troy was a solid 4 star.
The star rankings are probably more accurate than you think when comparing who makes NFL rosters, especially at skill positions. However, you are ranking teenagers who have yet to become men. A lot can happen in 3-4 years.
I also believe a lot of the players success stems from the system they play in college. It can make your stats look better than maybe what your talent is.
Look at some of the players in the super bowl, some weren’t even ranked at all. These rankings are fun and sometimes accurate, but a lot of 2 and 3 star kids make it big.
Rankings don’t matter once you step into the Woody. Players learn real fast who has the talent. As a repeat these three could be stars. Jones makes you anticipate his arrival and Young is so good at so many positions he should be hard to keep off the field.
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Complete beast - glad he's heading to Columbus to work with LJ SR. He'll gonna really do well especially learning from the best.
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We dropped the ball on the Jowon Briggs recruitment. That's a head-scratcher.
I agree. Nothing against McKenzie but not getting Briggs begs an explanation. If he can get into UVA, he's got to be a pretty good student. He also seemed to perform well at the different combines and camps. From UVA's signing day release:
squats over 700 pounds … an ESPN Top 300 recruit … rated a four-star recruit by ESPN.com, 247Sports.com and Rivals.com … rated the No. 60 overall recruit in the nation and No. 3 defensive tackle by Rivals.com … rated the No. 68 overall recruit in the nation and No. 7 defensive tackle by 247Sports.com … rated the No. 82 overall recruit in the nation and No. 11 defensive tackle by ESPN.com
How does a Top 100 in-state guy with those kinds of accolades get away? And to UVA of all places? Sometimes they do (Jackson Carman) but Briggs' recruiting was very quiet, extremely low profile. I'd love to know if there's a back story.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
Believe he was an ND lean for quite some time. Cincinnati kid, ND, done deal and off the radar, right? Then he seems to go to UVA our of nowhere. Strangely quiet, I agree.
Both my son and I are UVa grads. Story we heard was that once he visited the UVa grounds it was over. He just fell in love with the place. Can’t blame him, it is a pretty magical place
Nothing against OSU at all.
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The coaches don't have a single obligation to any of you for an explanation. He signed with VA. That should tell you everything you need to know.
Who said anything about anyone owing us anything, least of all the staff? We're curious, hence, it begs explanation because signing with UVA tells us nothing. Wondering aloud doesn't mean anyone "owes" us anything. But thanks for putting us in our places even though most of us have been around the block one or two times and have a pretty good idea how it works.
You can get off your high horse now, hotshot.
This is a recruiting website and we're constantly analyzing how and when we offer kids and the effort that's put into their recruitments. I think most can agree that Stud is on thin ice this upcoming year due to two subpar seasons recruiting in-state talent. The pass or whiff on Briggs shouldn't be interpreted more leniently; from all reports, he was a standout during both last summer's camps and this year's all-star games.
His signing with VA doesn't tell me anything.
Could have been a character issue/culture fit thing. Maybe he just didn't seem like the kind of player tOSU recruits. Or maybe LJ didn't feel he wanted to coach the kid. There is always a reason but we will never know...although I say just leave it to the coaches. Me thinks they might know a thing or two.
It's the things that go on in the weight room, on the practice field, in the film room and yes, even in the classroom that make 5* and 3* players into college and NFL stars. Or they never develop into their potential.
I forgot Olave was a three star recruit the way he exploded onto the scene late last season. Five star heart in that kid, but more importantly, five star talent
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He would’ve been higher rated recruit if not for his injuries. We were lucky to land him. He was a big time player.