Dabo is like a sleazy used car salesman. Actually that’s an insult to used car salesmen.
Feed the trolls
Faker than a spam hot dog.
The only good thing about The Game is winning it - Urban Meyer
Aww shucks. Shucky darns!
Wang dang man
“Megadeth >>> Metallica” - Alum 2019. I couldn’t agree more.
That’s the episode of Always Sunny that got me hooked....Unfortunately, that series has jumped the shark and the latest season is absolutely dog shit. “The gang beats Boggs” is also up there as an all time favorite.
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If only Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa were that creative. "Whoopsie! Looks like I accidentally poured steroids into my cereal bowl instead of Wheaties."
Tom Brady lost to John Cooper. Never forget.
Swinney: Those guys tripped and fell into a tub we had here of Osterene.
Interviewer: Wait. You had a tub full of osterene in campus?
Swinney: No we have a lot of tubs on campus. There’s a chance I mean it could come from any of those tubs. They are going to test them all outside the facility.
Interviewer: What about the tubs in your facility?
Swinney: I mean it could have come from anything. There are tubs all over downtown. They are looking into it.
Reading his quotes in that article sound sketchy AF
Bonds aka GOAT
Give back the trophies, take down the banners. If Ohio State did over damn tatoos....
My brother runs a clubhouse for a major league baseball team. You can not get ANYTHING in that clubhouse that doesn't have an NSF approval and certification. That is the stop-gap to make sure any supplement, sports drink or even protein bar doesn't have any bunk ingredients. Even if the manufacture didn't know.
I call 100% bullshit.
Is anyone that surprised? I'm sure Clemson is not the only program that is finding ways to get an edge and then having training staff mask it. Been going on since the 80's.
Rhymes with kablama.......
I'm willing to bet they cheat more than most though.
PEZ or PEDS? Swinney says, why not both?
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
Is accidentally handing out banned substances like accidentally robbing a bank? Why did they even have it?
I mean it could have come from anything. There is a case where they found some cocaine in Mexico not too long ago. Anything can happen, there’s a chance. It’s a huge undertaking. I’m not getting involved or anything, but its a huge undertaking. That stuff could have come from anything. Man, is it hot in here to anyone else? Why am I sweating?
I hope they get stripped.
Dabo stripping is not an image I want to see...
Dabo seems to be using the Chewbacca defense while doing his best Sgt. Shultz imitation.
Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle and mutilate.
I think we all can agree that the majority of programs are not innocent of these enhancers, but it’s absolutely wild to me that a bigger deal is not being made out of this.
This is definitely where I parked my car.
I thought the same thing when Wilkins and Boulware we're grabbing handfuls the last time OSU played them.
Clemson is now on the ESPN payroll. So that's why it's not a big deal. ESPN controls what's a big deal and what's not.
I don't know, but hope that most programs aren't using these "enhancers". I'd be very disappointed if we are.
Problem is, with the lack of outcry or penalty to Clemson for this, it's getting harder to play fair. Like Griffey during the Bonds, Sosa, McGuire era.
The only accident happening is getting caught. Hmmmmm.
“In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity.”
― Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
It is BS to the utmost that tOSU missed out on a NC and had it's reputation skewered over free tattoos. Yet Clemson is a serial-abuser of steriods and got one news cycle of poor Dabo and Dexter Lawrence are shocked they pissed dirty. After that not a damn peep, just lil ole Clemson and their alterboy Dumbo are champions of life on and off the field.
Technically the tattoos weren't free. I mean they traded their personal property for them. But you're right, the silence regarding Clemson's proclivities is pretty alarming. I'm sure Herbie will have a hard-hitting take soon.
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Ahh, Thats why he sent his boys there... Getting the inside story.
Let Meatchicken Beat Meatchicken!!!!
I think everyone knows they were trading memorabilia for the tats, I meant they were getting them w/o having to pay like a normal customer. That is even more of a joke than actually being free bc the only place this would have not been completely fair and harmless, is in the moronic minds of the NCAA.
Herbie is now bought as a lifetime Dabo/Clemson supporter. Genius move to let the Herbstreit boys onto the team. This type of scheme should be illegal, there isn't a D1 school in the country that thinks they are worthy of a real roster spot.
......and fuck the downvoter.
It's Dabo. Or Herbie.
Success - it's what you do with what you've got. - Woody Hayes
It is prob for the F-bomb. I try and keep it classy and clean but Clemsoff is just soooo not.
The offseason is the longest season.
LOL. What a rookie. Bama has three guys test positive, and Saban immediately dumps all responsibility on the players: “Those things carry certain consequences, and the players knew it. They made poor choices and decisions.” Translation: “How many times do we have to go over proper use of masking agents? If that can’t get it, then that’s on them.”
Saban puts it squarely on the individuals to protect the program. Dabo is making this an institutional problem. LOL.
Man, Dabo's s good ole boy, awe-shucks-me, southern shtick is so damn phony. What a scuz ball. Someone should demand his strength program's supplements order log. They may be dumb enough to have a record of the shipments.
Dabo is the type of motherfucker that makes me need to take a shower after hearing him talk. That’s a dirty dirty dude.
They polished that stupid slide w/ the crap..................................
Strip them of their national championships!
And wins leading up to their national championships
That's a Buckeye touchdown!
Can we also strip Iowa and Purdon'ts wins the last couple of years too?
Imagine if this were Urban and OSU...the media hatred for him runs very deep.
Not surprised and not even mad specifically at Clemson. PEDs are used by almost every athlete at the top every sport, maybe even EVERY athlete at or near the top of their sport. Testing is a farce. I'll say it again, if the NCAA, NFL, and other sports actually took the health of their athletes seriously, PED testing would be drastically different.
Heck, if you go to a gym, odds are several "normal" dudes there take roids simply for aesthetics.
Man I call that school the Burnt orange team down south. I hate them as much as I hate TTUN. They been a dirty school with their players grabbing privates to dirty play on Braxton etc. Not sure how they can get away with this. We would be on every sports channel with an agenda to the Ncaa to push for punishment of some sort.
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Fields of Dreams
The thing that pisses me off is that he thinks we're all stupid. Anyone associated with sports knows what is okay and what is not okay. There are never any accidents when it comes to PEDs. Total BS from a BSer.
When the press clippings claim you as God's chosen man of CFB, you begin to believe it. Anything Dabo touches turns to gold, I say he should cheat and lie even more.
And the national media will paint him and Clemson as victims.
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
Accidentally?! C'mon! Is anyone really buying that? SMH!
The whole media landscape is falling for it apparently
It's just like that time those UNC players accidentally took fake classes or when Ole Miss accidentally gave recruits bags of money
happens to the best of us
"I feel ready for whatever awaits me on the other side. I don’t fear adversity. I don’t fear the spotlight. I don’t fear success. And I don’t fear failure." - Braxton Miller
If this happened at OSU, our administration would do every in it's power to throw gas on the media fire.
There's evidence of a culture of doping at Clemson and people just shrug. At OSU, free tattoos and the personal life of an assistant coach create mass hysteria.
If they "accidentally" handed out PEDs, why only 3 players? Seems to me with all the sleep, nutrition, conditioning studies out there in use by D1 programs, they regiment a LOT more than 3 players dietary needs...
There were only something like 19 players “randomly” tested. That’s over 15% who tested positive. Also, remember - the PED they tested positive for is not approved by the FDA for human consumption, which means it’s not available in any food or drink. Either they got hold of it as some sort of cream that can be administered via the skin, or they obtained it illegally in a consumable. That makes Dabo’s “this stuff is in energy drinks” all the more laughable. This guy knows there’s no sheriff coming.
Regarding the FDA, they handle supplements with an entirely different process which is spelled out clearly on their website. Manufacturers themselves are responsible for evaluating the safety of their own products -- it is not like "conventional" food and drink. (https://www.fda.gov/Food/DietarySupplements/). The FDA doesn't have to approve or inspect supplements, but they have the right to go after manufacturers eventually. Accordingly, your assertion of "its either a cream or obtained illegally" is not accurate.
Thank you for pointing that out, so I don't have to this time. The supplement industry is like the wild west as far as oversight goes. It's not all that uncommon to find out that some "miracle supplement" is tainted with stuff that's not on the label. The "all natural" supplements for treating ED are spiked with Viagra or Cialis. The muscle building vitamins have steroids in them. It's an intentional thing done by some shady manufacturers (To be clear, not all are shady. There are some reputable companies out there. You have to be super careful though) because there is no real regulation there. They spike their products because they wouldn't work very well (if at all) without having that stuff in them. Word gets out this stuff works, sales go up. Right up until the point that the FDA finds out what they are doing (this occurs after the fact, because they don't oversee dietary supplements, but they can hammer companies that are selling misbranded or adulterated drugs) and shuts it down. Then they just pop up again under a different brand name, and the process repeats itself. It's like a game of whack-a-mole with prescription drugs and other stuff marketed as "dietary supplements" or "vitamins".
I think you're going a little overboard here. While some supplement companies are definitely sketchy, a lot of it is about cutting cost rather than putting in steroids and prescription boner pills.. that stuff is usually decently expensive and would increase the cost of supplement production. The increased risk + the cost + immediate loss of any existing brand equity when caught makes this theory about as valid as a reptilian race ruling mankind. Some sketchy supplement companies may sell SARMs and manufacture / package their other supplements in the same facility causing cross contamination. But the truth is Dabo is saying this may have happened "accidentally" at Clemson.. which is highly unbelievable.. if Clemson's strength and nutrition staff has any competence at all it is almost a zero % chance that an accident like this would occur. Just because the supplement industry isn't heavily regulated by the FDA doesn't mean you could get steroids accidentally in supplements easily.. if you have any clue what you're doing.
First off you go over this https://www.usada.org/substances/prohibited-list/athlete-guide-2019-prohibited-list/ and https://www.wada-ama.org/en/questions-answers/prohibited-list-qa and https://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/wada_2019_english_prohibited_list.pdf and https://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/supplement-guide.pdf plus you make sure any supplements you recommend are third party tested and certified http://www.nsf.org/services/by-industry/nutritional-products. Finally you stick to manufactures and brands that have no history of supplements causing possible positives and have been trusted and in business for a long time. Any strength and nutrition team that does not rigorously research and monitor the supplements they recommend (if any) is not fit to be employed by any college athletics program, let alone a big time division 1, power 5 football program.
Dabo should have lied and said that the athletes themselves may have accidentally taken supplements from a less than reputable brand. But saying that it may have been an accident in his program? He either thinks people are really stupid (and knows the banned supplements were administered purposefully).. or he hired extremely stupid people to run his strength and nutrition program. BTW I have read the amount of ostarine in Dexter Lawrence's sample was pretty high.. especially to be "accidental"
Dabo messed up, potentially. If Urban Meyer said this while coaching Ohio State you better believe the national media and fans around the country would be holding torches to Meyer and Ohio State. Dabo might get lucky and people might look the other way.. but people with half a brain know better.
Don't know if this will get seen, but I'll just leave this herehttps://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/sda/sdnavigation.cfm?sd=tainted_s...
That's not an exhaustive list either. I'm a pharmacist. I know about looking for reputable products with NSF and USP verification, but I don't think the general public is fully aware of that. I always make sure my patients are educated about this, but I wouldn't be surprised if college kids looking for an edge are not. The S&C dept should have known better, but shit happens.
If you notice in the list, some of those products the affected Lots are ALL. That's an intentional additive, not an accidental thing.
If Carmen shows up bonds like we know why.
Maybe his head will swell up too. Like 3x too big.
I'd rather be a minute early than an hour early, 'cause I like to procrastinate.
It already is.
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I did a continuing education seminar in the years ago with Dr. Nicholas Hall near campus. He is a renown psychoneuroimmunologist that started the first big wellness centers in USA. Towards the end of the conference someone asked him about PED's, since it was about the time of the Yankees big players testing positive. Dr. Hall said, when one of those big athletes come into a wellness center the players handling team makes sure that a tool that could test for such things as PEDS does not come anywhere near those players.
On a side note, as I understand statistics from stats 2220, the correct inference is that, based on that sample, the Clemson team is on PED's. I am unsure why more isn't made of it.
Well I did find this article about a UFC fighter who was actually believed to be innocent after having tested positive for ostarine. Granted the issues in the article I've linked to happened 4 years ago .... but you gotta wonder how much of it is still happening. So this means on of the three could have happened:
1) The kids took the "stuff" on their own and either knew or didn't know the ostarine was in there 2) The "stuff" that was given by the staff had the ostarine in it and the coaching staff did or didn't know (unlikely as more would have tested positive for the ostarine. 3) The "stuff" that is manufactured and is allowed for NCAA use is also manufactured on some equipment that includes ostarine for other supplements that are not allowed for use in NCAA sports.
You don't know what you have until it's gone .... for example, toilet paper.
in other news Herbstreit's sons are walking on sunshine er walking on at Clemson. :-P
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain
I frequent various bodybuilder sites, lifting is a hobby of mine. I've read about Ostarine and other SARMs years ago. I don't dabble in anything that would cause an impact on my natural hormonal system, so no steroids, SARMs, prohormones, etc. From what I remember, SARMs like Ostarine are only available from certain websites for "non human research purposes only" and are very CLEARLY banned substances in most everything.
The early hope with SARMs was that they would give steroid like results without lowering or shutting down your natural production of testosterone, but that didn't really pan out.
So that is why Clemson grabs opponent's balls, they forgot what real ones feel like.
And somotropin? I'm 58 and starting taking 2ml a day of saizen. I'm told in moderation it's ok. Thoughts? I've zero side effects except I seem to be urinating more. I get it free, how much am I saving btw?
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Somatropin is a form Human Growth Hormone (HGH), which is obviously very popular in bodybuilding and other sports. Also, banned by most everyone. Its main use seems to be for children with genetic growth issues. It's not something I would put into my body. There is no "free lunch" when you screw with your natural hormones, it WILL affect the other systems of your body.
If I may ask, at 58, why do you take it? There may be better and/or safer ways to achieve your goals.
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Good ole Dabo. BYOG and they'll supply the rest.
Dabo's special Carolina BBQ Sauce. Saucey Tigers won't get investigated deeply though.
Come on down to Dabos! We have trenbolonga sammichs half off! Short on time? Get your oil checked while you wait!
Clemson....dirty like the other SEC schools....
Enjoying daily the back to back ttun beatdowns.
This is bullshit, take away all titles and ban them for five years and have a show clause against Dabo for life.
If true, that will be a crap storm worth watching..
Pigskins & Porkrinds
Could be. Or it could go the other way. When we had a coach run out of town for the tats-for-trinkets scandal, people wanted OSU penalized even further due to the rogue state of the program. Then when AJ Green got caught selling jerseys for $1000 a piece, he was suspended, it was treated more like a victim. Discussion turned to how you could accommodate kids with their own brand value when there were really nice people wanting to buy a piece of history.
Same could happen here. If SEC and ACC teams get busted, you could see talking heads on their networks start openly questioning whether it’s just too darn hard to keep track of all these new supplements and the kids shouldn’t be victimized for eating or drinking something that may or may not be on a prohibited list. It’ll be about protecting the athlete’s market potential over protecting the athlete.
The real question is why OSU seems so willing to empower the witch hunt. I feel like that's why we get hammered whenever there is any hint of a scandal.
Does anyone think Alabama or Clemson are going to cooperate one bit with any investigation? Are those schools going to self impose any suspension for Dabo or Saban? No, they arent. And OSU should take note.
In all fairness there won't be relentless coverage of any Bama or Clemson scandal. Timing is important too. The slow sports news cycle of August is perfect for endless talk about scandals, January and February not so much.
There's no question that "come on in, we will grant you access to everything" is code for "do whatever you can to blow up the program", which seems to happen even when nothing really big is found. They get behind the story and can't ever get traction on the truth. Meanwhile, programs who respond with nothing more than "no we didn't" seem to get away with all of it, as if the only way to be held accountable is to admit wrongdoing.
Even Miami - Nevan Shapiro had done all of the investigative work for the NCAA, keeping journals with dates and cancelled checks, yet Miami denied it and the NCAA let them off scot-free. And ESPN absolutely has the ability to influence the narrative - either to start the fire and then "innocently" fan flames, or to shift the narrative to "everybody does it, so it isn't an issue". There's no way they would do anything but protect Clemson with the ACC Network coming on line this fall.
I agree that ESPN having a financial interest in the SEC/ACC does play into it, but man, do we make it easy.
I can understand why Urban seemed a little shocked and upset that OSU didn't have his back more.
Dabo must of thought PED meant
Personal Enema Digits ...."Yeah , I personally teach that technique"..
You were close. Last time we played them DABO told all his players we were using roids and the players got confused and started "inspecting" our players for roids. It didn't dawn on them he meant steroids.
Dabo reminds me of one of those televangelist that some love but everyone knows is more crooked than a dogs hind leg.
It looks like most have made their minds up on guilt with only a small amount of info. Sound familiar? I don't doubt there is some level of cheating here but OSU fans should know better than throwing stones after reading one internet article written by someone most of us have never heard of.
Um, it is a factual probability that at least 15% of their team this year was using an illegal PED. Yes my mind is made up that Clemson and Alabama got caught cheating, and that their programs should be held to the same level of criticism that is applied to tOSU.
Swinney grasping at straws... he's hoping something in all of his mumble jumble rambling will sound plausible to someone, somewhere. Someone found something in a lab somewhere. Product was good yesterday, must've went bad today...problem is the people doing the tests look at the results. Damn 'em. Now, Dan's lookin' in to it. Of course, it all makes sense, ya'll can see, right?
"Dabo Swinney says Clemson may have accidentally given three suspended players banned drug"
<tears in my eyes from laughter>
Hey Dabo, they didn't use the masking / flushing agents you recommended.
This is actually scary to think about. I wonder how easy it is to flush evidence of PED use out of the system.
Kitties aren't supposed to smell like cigarettes, they're supposed to smell like kitties.
Can't wait to see how ESPN rakes Clemson through the coals, oh wait..
Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith
ncaa investigation impending in 3.....2.....1......
Successful people do what they have to, whether they feel like it or not
I wish, MacDaddy, I really wish. Just don’t think this will happen. Any journalist that would want to make a name for themselves here could probably dig up some real good dirt here and stir the pot. This won’t happen either. There doesn’t seem to be the vitriol for these programs like there seems to be for ours.
It actually all makes sense. Look at Saban. Sure he did a good job at lsu but wasn't a world beater. He takes over at Alabama and the very next year, they win a title. after going 7-6 they just so happen to become this dominating juggernaut. Same with Clemson, Dabo was going on average 8 wins a year I think, then all of a sudden, out of nowhere they just start dominating also.
Those 2 programs are dirty, I guarantee they are paying recruits hundreds of thousands of dollars to sign, then they are pumping them full of HGH AND SARMs. Then right before the combine they stop taking the peds, so they don't piss dirty.
Georgia is in this mix now, too. Kirby Smart learned from Saban.
Please please let this whole story gain more steam. I mean like an OSU story always does. Nothing would make me more happy than Dabo getting fired. Idiot
Paging Buckeyerealist13 and Eddie27zeke15....
36-24-36? Ha ha, only if she's 5'3"
I’m not sure what time it is, but Xichigan still sucks
Well that is some nana nana boo boo rub your face in doo doo. You held on to that one ab15.
You never lose to those pricks. Ever. Ever. Urban Frank Meyer
It was the MGo comment, that is as low on the belt, as one can go....
Absolutely NOTHING will happen. Maybe the NCAA will slap Miss State for something as a distraction though. Bama, Texas A&M, Clemson are bulletproof.
Maybe Dobbins will get tired. Michigan Man, 11-30-2019
Who finished 3rd in the polls? Did they have clean bowl tests? Whoever that team is should award itself a national championship.
Dabo Swindler is his real name.......
Anyone else done with the tattoo's got us hammered but everyone else does way worse and nothing happens storlines?
What we really learned since is that if you don't talk to the NCAA, they have no leverage to make you talk and therefore can't really do anything to your program.
Well TBF Tat Gate totally happened because someone had an email to prove Tress knew and did nothing. If someone had an email showing Dabo knowingly gave or hid PED use he’d be iced too.
HEY YOU THERE....DEFENSIVE ENDS...SPRINKLE SOME MORE OF THOSE CHOPPED UP PEDS...uh...CHOPPED UP OATS ON THOSE PED ..uh...GRANOLA BARS....THATS IT...MORE...MORE
It’s absolutely astonishing the NCAA didn’t look at 3 players (when less than 20 were tested) popping on piss tests and they didn’t test the whole program...
"Come on, you sons of b!tches! Do you want to live forever?" -- Dan Daly, WWI
Yeah, but then it was nothing. Now all of a sudden, it’s something. And the stuff can come from anywhere. It’s a whole undertaking.
When Dabo said “it could have came from anywhere” and the NCAA didn’t do shit to investigate it, I knew it was over. Osterine isn’t in ANYTHING that is legal for ANY competition use and it’s even listed in the NCAAs banned substances list. For them to not blink an eye while having 2-3 weeks to investigate tells me all I need to know.
Yeah, anywhere. Is it in water, Dabo? In the air? He plays this country bumpkin thing and thinks it’s cute. And nope, nothing will come of this. There’s probably a breaking story here if a journalist had half the gumption like they would for us.
I think the NCAA is happy to look away unless irrefutable evidence of cheating is put in their face. I’m sure they know damn well this kind of stuff is going on in many programs but it’s bad for public image aka profits.
I honestly don't have an issue with PED's or etc. What I do have an issue with is finding it, sweeping it under the rug and acting like nothing happened.
If you cheat and get caught, you need to be punished. If you're not smart enough to hide your methods, you deserve it.
It's funny how this was reported as a "Mistake". Makes you wonder how many "Mistakes" other teams get before it's not.
As someone with years of experience in Pharma and AAS, this compound is very hard to purchase. Years ago, Obama passed a law making it almost impossible for companies to manufacture designer steroids without stiff penalties and legal action. These young men knew what they were getting themselves into. What Dabo said is passive-aggressive at best and the excuse of compounds like these being "accidentally" ingested is complete and utter BS.
These athletes purchased from a source and the source has access to underground labs. It's simple and illegal. These are HORMONES, not stimulants that affect your Adrenal Gland.