Thank goodness. I think him being there hurt our chance of getting in.
NO...losing to Iowa and Purdue in shitty fashion is the ONLY reason
losing to Iowa and Purdue in shitty fashion is the ONLY reason
He's right ya know.
+1 to offset the difference of opinion voters...
"Defiance in Silence"
Thought I smelled a downvote or two
Dumb. Gene literally had to vote against OSU. So that was an additional reason.
Smoking hot take, though, bro.
Dumb. Gene literally had to vote against OSU. So that was an additional reason.
No, he had to recuse himself entirely. Couldn't even be in the same room when they were talking about Ohio Sate.
Shandy is not beer
Pretty sure he wasnt allowed to vote osu in the top 4, so he had to put some one else in their place on top of what you just mentioned.
Some of these guys are totally clueless
Exactly Buck. Our fans love to have something to bitch about. Today and other days is “bitch and moan and complain about Gene”. Bunch of spoiled brats.
Lmao. Clueless how? Quad doesnt know the rules.
Recusing while OSU is discussed is practically the same as a NO vote in my book. It might even be worse because he can't even give any arguments for OSU. Me thinks that Gene is much smarter than what people give him credit and he experienced first hand the incompetence of the committee and wanted out fast.
It is a reason but it isn't the only reason. The playoff system boils down to who 14 random people in a room think are the 4 best teams. Alabama gets automatically slotted in and then the 2nd place or 3rd place SEC team and the other conferences get to fight for the other 3 spots. Out of the fear of the entirely objective BCS system we have created an entirely subjective system. Which one is worse? I have no idea. But you aren't going to convince me that we weren't better than Notre Dame this year regardless of who we lost to.
Vires Et Honestas
the entirely objective BCS system
Uh... wut? Since when was the BCS in anyway objective? The poll voters sure as shit weren't objective and the computer ranking isn't some all known AI from the future. All the computer ranking is a guy coming up with what he thinks is a properly weighted system for ranking teams and then having a computer run the equation. The human making the computer ranking will invariably bake their biases right into the cake.
The BCS was very far from objective.
Who is blue, fast and likes rangs? The Dankey Kang.
Math checks out.
Noon games suck
That didn't help, apparently. But he had to leave the room whenever OSU was brought into discussion. That can only hurt us. Put the AD of another B1G school in his stead.
Put the AD of another B1G school in his stead.
So maybe another B1G school that will never even sniff the CFP, like say maybe a certain team located north of Ohio...
Pic of Harbaugh looking into promised land but not being able to ever enter
The promised land Hairball was looking for was only a Mirage......
Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.
62-39 wasn't as bad for tsun as 49-20 was for our men. ....still can't figure that game out!!
Go Bucks.... and PLEASE do not let another blowout like that EVER happen again! Pay attention to history!
Well, the blowout losses were the biggest problem of course, but it certainly didn't help Ohio State's case to have the B1G's representative completely banned from discussing them. The whole purpose of having someone who's a specialist in the conference is so that they can discuss and consider points that the other committee members (who are following college football as a whole) might have missed.
Instead, whenever the topic of Ohio State came up, the B1G didn't have someone in the room because of Gene Smith's involvement.
It's not an either/or situation here - it's true that it wouldn't have mattered if Ohio State had taken care of business (or even still lost but by 3 instead of 30); however that doesn't invalidate the argument that Gene Smith being banned from all the key discussions hurt Ohio State.
And Michigan State in very cold, raining, and windy conditions while Zeke had a stomach flu?
It still amazes me that so many people can't understand that getting beat by average teams by 30 points hurts your chances to get into a 4 team playoff. Like somehow it's Gene Smiths fault since he couldn't vote for Ohio State instead of Urban Meyers fault for not having his players and coaches ready to play against average teams and getting hammered in back to back years.
Ohio State list to Michigan State by 30?
No, but they lost their division and never played for the conference title that season.
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No, not like Alabama. Different season, different circumstances. When Bama and UGA were selected, there wasn't another team with an equivalent or better record you could've inserted ahead of the Tide. UCF? No way - schedule was weak. OSU? Two losses including a blow out against Iowa.
Every season is different, and you can't take two teams in isolation from different seasons and conflate the results.
For that matter, Ohio State was the first team to not win their division or their conference and make it into the CFP. The Buckeyes set the precedent for Bama to get in.
Alabama went to the playoff while not winning the division.
If you can’t understand that two losses is greater than one, I can’t help you.
NavyBuckeye won the thread. Close the discussion and grey out all the other comments this says it all.
Maybe not the ONLY reason ... but they were definitely big warts to deal with in a beauty contest.
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Tyrion: A wedding.
Ohio State lost to Purdue by 29 points! That hurt our chances! Nothing else!
We do need to make room for more Southern-based members anyways. For parity reasons. Right?
To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.
Gene was replaced with a corn-based voter. Does that work?
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Not if you drink Bud-Light
Leave one wolf alive....and the sheep are never safe
Great news. Should've put Rutgers or TTUN AD on the committee...we need someone who will vouch for the B1G but never have to recuse themselves for having a team in the conversation.
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Man, be careful from putting those 2 rivals in the same sentence.
I actually don’t think any current administrators belong on that committee.
Agreed, no one should be on the committee with a conflict such as being the current AD. There are enough retired people etc.. for a committee to be formed with.
"Captain, over here, I've found someth... AHHHH!!!!!!"
No one should be on the committee. Just use BCS rankings and save a lot of money and it's more objective. There, fixed it for everyone concerned.
Because a system that based 66% of its result on the two most flawed human polls in existence (AP and Coaches polls) is more objective? That's a laugh. The system that that brought you LSU-Alabama in NCG is why the CFP exists.
I was good with Alverez
Nothing cleanses the soul like getting the hell kicked out of you - Woody Hayes
This will be a good move, if, the Buckeyes are in similar contention next year and Smith publicly advocates for us to be in the CFP. Delaney clearly hasn't to this point, so maybe Smith will.
Can he step away from Ohio State also? Maybe he can take Michael Drake with him?
"We talkin' about practice?!" -Allen Iverson 2002
He only has the athletic department running at an all time high.
Name a better AD in the last 50 years. It was not Geiger or Bay.
Our people are everywhere, Esto Dignus.
Looking outside of the main sports like football and basketball, look at the success across sports. Wrestling, both Tennis programs, both hockey programs, men’s volleyball, women’s rowing. Hell, we won a capital one cup 2 years ago. Incredible the success he has had since he took over in 2005. He has had his moments, I didn’t care for the how the Tressel situation was handled, and playing in the gator bowl, but you can absolutely not question his level of success. It’s not even debatable.
"both Tennis programs" why capitalize tennis? "capital one cup"? Should be Capital One Cup. "gator bowl"? Should be Gator Bowl. Dam you're dumb.
It’s “Damn”, Martin.
Men's lacrosse also played in the NCG two years ago.
This is an atrocious #take.
It is, but unfortunately it probably won’t be the only one.
Does this mean OSU will never ever be considered for the CFP again even if they go undefeated? I see how it is lol.
They've got to get in Notre Dame's conference
I think Gene has his priorities right. Ryan Day needs a solid infrastructure to handle everything that goes on in Ohio State Football. It's a much bigger world than being an interim head coach. There's all the boosters, trustees, academic oversight, speaking engagements, coaching clinics, camps, off-the-field programs, media engagement, marketing, etc. That's a lot to drink from the firehose.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
I really think he used Day as a smokescreen. Better for OSU if he’s not on there. Forget the ugly losses last two years, thinking go forward if OSU in the mix and it’s close. Maybe that or he just didn’t want to do it anymore. Day is just an excuse. It didn’t draw that much of his time and he can leverage Urban.
I really think he used Day as a smokescreen.
I don't know about that. The CFP playoff committee is a weekly thing starting with the first rankings and ending with probably the most contentious choice at the end. So I think it's a combination of "I'm sick of this bickering" and "I would rather focus on keeping OSU football playing at the highest level".
Gene's not stupid. He realizes that football is the primary money maker in OSU athletics and he has a new head coach. If the football program isn't solid and we start losing big games OSU is not going to be able to charge $195 per seat for premium games. All hands on deck.
The CFP playoff committee is a weekly thing starting with the first rankings and ending with probably the most contentious choice at the end.
The whole thing is a ruse that begins with each committee member's forced acceptance that the SEC is the best conference and therefore merits inclusion every year by at least one and probably two SEC teams. Broadcast companies play an outsize role in the selection, where they probably should have none at all.
Eventually, the committee goes with teams that have the fewest losses, irrespective of conference championships or the quality of their opponents. A few fifth graders could do that—in less than an hour. The frequency of meetings is just to give the appearance of competence. And many fans are not buying it.
Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !
Eventually, the committee goes with teams that have the fewest losses
I would think that would make the situation worse. It would encourage teams to play more cupcake games out-of-conference. Alabama is already the king of that.
Right now I think the problem is it's a popularity party. The SEC gets the most hype. It's like a bad 1980's high school movie.
I know I go against the grain, but I want to get rid of the playoffs. The BCS system was at least more rational. You had a multitude of opinions balanced against computer analysis of strength of schedule. There was at least some level of objectiveness to it.
I think the championship game should just be based on the strengths of the opponents you have beaten. As long as it's only 14 people in a room deciding on 4 teams people can be influenced.
I would think that would make the situation worse. It would encourage teams to play more cupcake games out-of-conference. Alabama is already the king of that.
I guess I wasn't clear enough. What I was trying to convey is that:
The CFP committee is a sham: they pretend to factor in strength of schedule and conference champions, but in practice they are just selecting the teams with the fewest losses—despite teams scheduling cupcake opponents.
In my view, ONLY Conference Champs would make the CFP. So, no 2nd SEC team, no Notre Dame (until they win a conference championship). Every year, four of the Big 5 Conferences would send their champions to the CFP. Otherwise, it's as if someone discounted the NCAA Basketball quarterfinals and hand selected the Final Four. And always included Duke, even if they lost in the round of 64.
The committee had the chance to send a message to ND this season and they failed. Now, ND will continue this weird partnership with the ACC that ensures they only have to play Clemson every 4 years or so
Sorry, I didn't catch the sarcasm.
IMO Notre Dame deserved to be in the hunt because of their record, but practically everyone knew they would get their butts kicked.
I don't like the current playoff system and I think it will get even worse if it expands. For example, if there were 8 teams last year TTUN would be in the mix and we might have had to play them a second time. No, thanks. The Game is The Game.
I know it's old-school and controversial, but I would like to see a bunch of great bowl matchups without the premise that only 4 teams can even hope for a championship. Decide which team is best at the end of all the bowl games. The number-crunchers and pundits have enough data to determine who had the best season overall.
I think we need some sort of playoff. Think about '04 when USC, Oklahoma, and Auburn all went undefeated. Then, of course, there was '11 where Bama was granted a rematch against LSU.
I think keeping it at 4 teams could work, but they're gonna need to establish clear criteria & consistency ASAP.
It still seems obvious, to me, that switching to an 8-team playoff is the way to go. Each Power-5 champ, plus three at-large teams. This system allows for teams to make up for a mistake, which seems like the only way to truly ensure that the 4 best teams are actually in. The committee wouldn't be able to get away with leaving a top team out for some new, made-up reason if they switched to 8 teams
Actually forgot he was even on there.
I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...
Good opportunity for the 'am I a joke to you?' meme here.
Well, it didn’t help to have him there. Stay here and help Coach Day.
Definitely deserves the red banner reserved for big news.
Gene stepping down seemed like a good thing for the B1G BUT then I read the next line:
Iowa athletic director Gary Barta joins the committee in his place.
So now I'm not so sure it makes any difference because (and feel free to correct me, I wouldn't mind being wrong in this case) but since they're both from the B1G, it won't help the conference when it comes time for the Selection Committee to pick the four top teams (read here as their four favorite teams) come playoff time.
I believe all P5 teams have to have an AD on the committee. That individual only recuses himself/herself when they have direct ties to a school. So Gene wouldn't have to step out talking about any other B1G team except the Buckeyes.
You're banned from discussing a team that directly employs you, not the conference as a whole - when Barry Alvarez was on the committee (2014 to 2016), he was fully part of the discussions any time Ohio State came up. In fact, the committee is specifically intended to have a representative from each of the P5 conferences, who presumably has more detailed and in-depth knowledge about injuries, style of play, etc, etc.
Got it, thanks for the clarification guys. I knew someone would know better than I and not mind putting the facts out there.
In that case, let whomever from the B1G be on the "Selection Committee" as long as they aren't employed in the 614.
The recusal piece doesn't seem that cut and dry though. For example, they've got guys on their who have to recuse themselves from multiple schools. Shoot, I think Condie Rice had to step out when Stanford was discussed. I would've assumed Gene would've had to step out when ND was discussed since he went there but evidently that's not the case.
Maybe the solution is just to have the administrators from each of the Power 5 conferences be in the committee and lobby for their particular conference. Jim Delaney wants to have some representative from the B1G, but he can't be partial to any school. I find it ridiculous that there are limited ways to point out what the best team in your conference achieved.
Was she on the current board of directors at Stanford? I’d bet that was the reason.
Edit: just checked and she is a faculty member as a professor.
That's it then.
Ken Hatfield is a better example. Former coach at Rice, Clemson, Air Force and Arkansas...has to recuse himself from all 4. While Bobby Johnson was a former HC at Vanderbilt and player at Clemson has no recusals.
The recusal piece doesn't seem that cut and dry though
”If a committee member or an immediate family member, e.g., spouse, sibling or child, (a) is compensated by a school, (b) provides professional services for a school, or (c) is on the coaching staff or administrative staff at a school or is a football student-athlete at a school, that member will be recused. Such compensation shall include not only direct employment, but also current paid consulting arrangements, deferred compensation (e.g., contract payments continuing after employment has ended) or other benefits. The committee will have the option to add other recusals if special circumstances arise.”
I knew Beamer had to recuse from wherever his son was, which is Oklahoma now BTW. I wasn't aware it included non-football positions.
You dont know the rules.
She is, or at least was at the time, a professor at Stanford.
Gotta love it.
Defiance- you are being corrected. You totally wrong.
Very good move. This will only help the buckeyes. We’ll have another BIG coach in there pushing for the conf champs to get in or whomever should be from the BIG. No more rob jobs as my scUM friends like to say.
Good move, Gene. Hiring Ryan Day, especially without so much as a phone call to anyone else, to lead one of college football's three most storied and winning programs was bold... and it's 100% on you if it doesn't work out. Program's can very quickly fall into disrepair, so if I were you I would also focus all of my time, energy, and resources on making sure Day has every opportunity to succeed.
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Not a big fan of the way the CFP committee is structured anyway. Since the guidelines are so vague, the criteria switches from year to year, etc, etc., etc., it makes no sense to have Athletic Directors involved in the first place. Too many motives, too many people who have to abstain from discussion.
Ring the f**king bell, you pansy
The effects of his conduct this past summer has cast a long shadow.
What exactly did he do or didn’t he do, in your opinion? It was a documented fact that he advised Meyer to acknowledge the Zach Smith issue at Big 10 media days and that Meyer chose to deny it.
I think his suspension has been well documented. The NCAA just might have read it too. It really wasn't favorable.
So what exactly did he do that was so egregious? Don’t deflect to a suspension. Tell me what he did, fact or your opinion.
read the report of the investigation as the NCAA did. Did I say it he was right or wrong. I just said the results cast a long shadow. Please comment on what I said and not on your feelings about Gene.
Conduct - the manner in which a person behaves, especially on a particular occasion or in a particular context.
I’m asking how in your opinion did Gene Smith behave that makes you believe the NCAA has issue with him enough to ask him to leave this committee?
In response to your comment, I didn’t express an opinion on Gene one way or another. I actually think he could have overridden Meyer and had Zach Smith fired. That’s a reasonable discussion on culpability for Gene. But I can’t have a discussion on it if you won’t answer a simple question on a point that you raised.
sure you didn't. Thanks for the definition. Why are you going to extremes to defend yourself.
Because I asked you a simple question that you don’t have an answer to.
no you are taking it way too far. relax. there is more to life buddy.
Yeah, asking you a simple question was way overdoing it. Actually, having to ask you seven times is getting a bit exhausting. See ya later.
Back away from the computer. I know the season is over. I know NSD has passed too. You need to learn how to relax. Do you know a woman. A large breasted swedish woman will do. Perhaps having a hobby if you don't. Relax. We are here to get you through til the season starts, but calm down.
Answer the question
The way he stalks me all the time I'm not sure if he prefers women, but that's just my opinion.
Well, Martin, record shows you not only replied to one of my comments after not having a comment for a week, but have now followed me here. It’s this sick little game that you play. It’s really turning me on.
You just need to shut up. You’re not funny. And you comment on conduct casting a long shadow deserved the question you obviously can’t answer.
I believe the report showed that Gene Smith did not know about the incident while at Florida (Urban didn’t disclose) and also did not know that Zach Smith was sent to a drug addiction program (Urban did not disclose). Also, Gene Smith wanted to fire Zach Smith in 2015 (likely with Urban declining to do so). Also, advised Urban to disclose the 2015 incident at Big 10 media days (Urban chose to deny it). Help me out with anything I missed. Outside of not firing Urban Meyer, we’re getting a little thin here on the shadow that is cast on Gene Smith.
Knar. - dude is like Buckshave7. Never answers a question
Good move. The Iowa AD will have the B1G’s back and won’t need to leave the room when OSU is under discussion.
Glad he's out of it. It never helped us.
We have nobody else to blame. Win them all or lose by 7 and you're considered. Purdue and Iowa were inexcusable. It's a new Day and the future is bright.
What's the point of stepping down when he already recuses himself all the time anyway? Seriously. Dude has cost us multiple trips to the post season because of that BS. Here's an idea: instead of recusing yourself for conflict of interest, why not replace yourself with someone from the same conference that does not? Hmmmm
Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.
I'm sure that played into it, honestly. But it's not like it's Gene's decision to recuse himself. It's a requirement.
The level of stupidity he and Jim Delany exhibited in letting anyone associated with OSU in any way on the committee is breathtaking. Two years in a row he had to recuse himself and two years in a row very solid Buckeye teams were left out in the cold for two SEC and two ACC teams. Heads I win, tails you lose.
Here's an idea: instead of recusing yourself for conflict of interest, why not replace yourself with someone from the same conference that does not? Hmmmm
Uhhh... Isn't that what he just did?
People just can't be arsed to read past a headline.
Haha what!? Its like one paragraph. I read the entire “article” in about ten seconds, mouthing each word. What in my post gives you the notion I couldn’t be bothered to read past the headline?
I’m referring to the last two years he’s served on the committee, genius. Why he and the brilliant Jim Deleany didn’t foresee a problem when the conference’s Top program had a representative on the committee that had to recuse himself when said team (OSU) was in playoff contention I will never understand. Sad!
Two 30 point losses to average teams cost us multiple post season trips. It was NOT Gene.
Some need to get your head out of your azz
Whoever his replacement is...NO MORE ND until they join a league. They've been destroyed every time they've been let in.
" Successful people are very lucky. Just ask every failure."
~ Urban Meyer
0 for 1, but I get what you're saying.
Make preparations in advance. You never have trouble if you are prepared for it.
Thank you. Notre Dame has not only consistently lost on the big stage for the past 20yrs, they have consistently gotten blown out. The ND selection this year was a big problem for me. I didn't understand why there wasn't more of a push from both the media and fans to put both tOSU and Oklahoma in.
We had a conference championship, ND didn't. We beat both of our common opponents more convincingly. ND got rewarded for their plan of being "in the ACC" while making sure they don't have to play Clemson every year. I only hope that next time ND goes 12-0 in a non-convincing fashion, the committee decides to make a statement by keeping them out in favor of a 1-loss Power 5 champion
as long as it's not to go back on the NCAA basketball committee, i'm happy
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Now, if we can just get espn to step down from the committee, we'll be in good shape.
WTF does ESPN have to do with it?
You do realize they capitalize on us being in?
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The Great Recuser
Fields eligible AND Gene got himself off that stupid committee? That's one hell of an offseason Friday right there.
It's simple math guys, OSU was losing an (albeit small) portion of the vote that it would otherwise have received the last 2 years. Not saying it actually made the difference, not this year anyway with the media cloud hanging over the program. But even if only say 2/12 people had them at #4 this year, having 3/13 is better. There are very realistic scenarios where the 13th guy is recused and the remaining people vote it 6-6 on a critical spot. Every little bit helps, so I am glad they are no longer giving up 1/13th of the vote every year.
He had no choice but to step down. His old high school yearbook photos were recently discovered... and he was wearing blackface.
Behold the chunky whoop ass.
Let's step away from the Political, Hot Button Social Issues and inferences.
Send the Earth Reverberating
I have two favorite college teams
1. The Ohio State
2. And anyone that's playing Michigan
one year to help ryan day transition into his head coaching duties...and then he'll retire. especially if the bucks win the natty. go out on top.
Smith being out of this group doesn't matter. What I will always remember about him was how we all heard how his previous experience was going to help Ohio State after the tattoo-gate issue. So what did he do? Allowed that team to play in a meaningless bowl game, which we lost, and then were NOT able to play in one after an undefeated season with Urban Meyer. Yeah, Smith has been electric as an AD.
I have always felt that something was in the works after the whole Zach Smith/domestic violence debacle. Tressel "rolled over" to Gene Smith theoretically, but I could never see Urban doing that. I understand that they are different situations, but essentially, Gene seemed to come out unscathed in both. Yet I think we all believe he held major responsibility in both. I think this time, Urban got the upper hand behind the scenes. Stepping away from the CFP Committee is just the beginning for Gene. Eventually, he steps away from OSU as well, as Urban becomes AD. It is only my opinion, but I believe this was the kind of deal worked to keep Urban from speaking more about how he turned over all of his information to Gene, and Gene dropped the ball.
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