pretty much a no brainer
He’s correct. You want to build with your recruiting base and have the portal be the exception and not the rule. The transfers can be disruptive, too. For programs like ours, it’s a way to fill unexpected gaps. For example, this year, QB and OL. Break glass to open.
Absolutely agree Knar. Glad Coach Day finished strong recruiting that O line void.
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Perfectly put, Knarcisi.
I like his approach and I know every team loses recruits but building relationships over a 4 year period goes a lot further than coming in at the 12th hour trying to steal them away. Relationships with parents and families go a long way.
Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!
It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
I love everything Ryan Day has said so far. You are completely right here. He is going to get guys that fit what he wants to do and hope that they are both talented and ready to exceed expectations. I loved Urban, but there were a lot of times that I didn't really believe what he was saying. Not the case with Day and his new assistants, but we will see this fall!
The cool thing about Day is that we got a peak behind the curtain offensively the first three games last season. My assumption is ................ we will have a much more disciplined team defensively and a wide open offense.
Agreed, but the chances we have Hafley here in 2 years is about the same as I have to get an invite to the NFL combine. That guy was an absolute stud in his presser and his intelligence/approach to coaching/recruiting is proof that the coaching profession is changing. Cannot wait to see this Defense especially because I think we already know what we are getting from the offense.
I only wonder how deep the protocol will go with the transfer portal. Namely, in a pro sport, you can't negotiate with a player who is under contract, it's considered tampering, but can a team get some kind of inside track with a player, say the player contacts them a few days before their name ends up in the transfer portal and let's them know his name is going in there, is that the same sort of deal?
I guess ultimately it doesn't matter because the kid can transfer where he wants, just a lot of questions.
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Of course, the follow-up question to that is whether such an anti-tampering protocol would be effective anyways.
They have firm and strong rules against tampering in the NBA; you can read them online if you'd like. But in practice, there's so many ways around it that it's rarely relevant - players know each other well enough that they can just chat directly; GMs drop casual hints; allowing social media gossip to spread 'rumors' of your interest; etc.
I mean, just look at the history of NBA tampering penalties: It's mostly been just minor fines, typically for minor stuff like a GM offhandedly saying some obvious comment in an interview like "Yeah, we really admire Giannis and his game; he's going to be really great."
To add to the other point, I think these guys are so dialed into the landscape that when they enter the portal, they already have 3-4 places in mind dependent on location, scheme, staff, player relationships with other players, etc. Like with Fields, he didn't even have to visit here. He worked enough with Haskins to know what Day was about and felt good enough about it to commit right away.
It is stated in the transfer portal protocol that the player must be in the portal before teams can contact them to show interest in a player. The player can enter the portal at any time,I believe, so there wouldn’t really be a need at this time to track teams trying to violate the spirit of the rules. I can envision some programs actually contacting players on other teams trying to talk them into transferring which the NCAA may eventually have to address.
I really like how careful Coach Day wants to be.
I am afraid that in the future some shady or bad dealings could go on, not on our campus. Day has a good head. But say you're at the 85 limit and some top name gets into the transfer portal, somebody could find a way to drop one scholly player to get another, and maybe that kid had been recruited since he was a freshman. That would make college ball look a lot more like the NFL.
really don't want this kinda thing going on. At the same time. These young players are trying to get exposure and playing time in front of scouts. Its a dog eat dog world seems like
slowly evolving into a mercenary landscape.
The Transfer Portal remains a formidable opponent, or a staunch ally.
I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...
I continue to be so impressed with Ryan Day. Hopefully he will have a long and successful career at OSU.
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Adding on the quality of staff as assistants as well.
Boom! Yes, great add-on SL.
He's making this off season very easy to enjoy
He said something the other day along the lines of how he hopes to run the program successfully for 10-15 years or something like that. Hell, ten years for an OSU football head coach is usually a pretty damn good run. Hopefully if he works out well here he doesn't run off to the NFL
"Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream."
he indicated that the Buckeyes could even add staffers to evaluate potential transfers.
Anyone know the email address where I can send my resume...
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Noice, Daniel for the win!!
You can't win if you don't play, right...
The portal is a product of technology solving an issue for Students who want to look at options to get playing time, which is why they went the scholarship route in first place. Wonder if there will be something like this for assistant coaches at some point, rather than having a booth at the annual convention!
I suppose it makes the process more transparent and easier for fans to follow but this has been going on behind the scenes forever. Kids or their parents or handlers have been scoping things out long before the portal system evolved. It will potentially make it easier to purchase a championship if a team needs to fill a hole or two, especially at key positions.
That Cardale Jones "Beanie and the BOOM" interview yesterday was pretty illuminating. I've been aware of JR. High kids being held back a year so that they're bigger and more mature, but I never really knew how parking a kid at a military academy/HS worked, and how the Iron King volunteered to do that and let Brax play. They were the same age. So much intrigue. I think the portal, and the increasing frequency of transferring, will see recruiting get exponentially more difficult as kids will not only be competing against their own cohort, but they'll also be competing against fantasy football-like scenarios where a player comes out of nowhere to play for the team they're being recruited for. Exciting!
Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.
I agree 100% with Day on using the portal sparingly. If you're relying on it to find starters, you're not recruiting well and/or you're not developing your players. See: Shea Patterson and TTUN. It's not plug-and-play. You have to build relationships with families and get kids to buy into your program's culture.
The 1 year wait time actually makes sense in a way. That gives a transfer a year to learn a program's culture, sort of like a redshirt.
I hope Justin Fields gets his waiver and is an instant fit. But I would think that would be a rare situation. Did we recruit Fields out of high school? That would help.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
I don't recall being involved much at all with Fields initial recruitment. He committed early to Penn state as a lower rated prospect but really started coming on and rising up the ranks. By the time he was back on the market we had Baldwin.
We're said to be at 85. The potential lineman transfer is interesting. That usually late July or August conversations with the 14th best O lineman about seeing playing time versus transfer to the smaller school closer to home. At any position if you're not second team or better it may be unrealized potential or a lack of development and/ or injury. I hate those situations. It happens though.
The pool is almost full of players who are disruptors and bad for team chemistry. Tread likely when getting a player from the pool.