One last part to get everyone's thoughts on what they think about the class as well as predictions for signees:
- Early Impact - Garrett Wilson/Jameson Williams
- Most Potential - Zach Harrison
- Sure Thing - Harry Miller/Cade Stover
- Biggest Reach: Craig Young
- Biggest Loss: Jordan Battle
- Biggest Sleeper: Bryson Shaw
- Biggest Surprise: Enokk Vimahi
- Future All-Conference: Garrett Wilson, Harry Miller, Cade Stover, Tommy Eichenberg, Marcus Crowley, Jameson Williams, Zach Harrison
- Future All-America: Garrett Wilson, Harry Miller, Zach Harrison, Jameson Williams, Cade Stover
I love your optimism... but has any OSU recruiting class ever had FIVE All Americans?
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
There's different types of all America awards where some guys who make one team don't make another. I'm just saying each of those 5 are named to some type of all America team. Also not saying it happens in a single year it's over the course of their careers.
The 2013 class, which will go down as Meyer's best, had five (or six) players in it that could have been All-Americans if you stretch a bit. Bosa, Bell, Price, and Zeke were all voted on first or second team lists that I saw. Darron Lee and Eli Apple, are the stretches. Apple was defensive MVP for the team in 2014 and Darron Lee had a MVP performance in the sugar bowl that year. They may have been voted to an obscure AA team by someone. Based on where each was selected in the draft they both probably had a legitimate case for All American.
I'll name them to mine tomorrow, no problem. Heard good inside tips from the BRR too.
New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.
The 1967 class (not eligible to play as frosh) became the 1968 Super Sophs who won the 1969 Rose Bowl and National Championship vs USC and OJ Simpson. That class had 11 High school All-Americans and SIX of them became All Americans... Rex Kern, Jack Tatum, Jim Stillwagon, Jim Otis, Ted Provost and Mark Debvec. Mike Sensibaugh and Chuck Hutchison was also mentioned on some teams.
Pretty sure Otis and Provost (or maybe it was Sensiinbaugh) were in the class ahead
Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!
Wikipedia says Otis and Provost were Jrs in 68.
The 1967 recruiting class ( Super Sophs) had SIX All Americans in 1970, their senior year:
Tim Anderson, Jim Stillwagon (2X), Jack Tatum (2X), Jan White, John Brockington, and Mike Sensibaugh. Rex Kern also made All American as a junior in 1969. That gives the 1967 class SEVEN All Americans.
“Being average means you are as close to the bottom as you are to the top.” John Wooden
I like what you've done here, SB - appreciate all the feedback on the 2019 class.
High quality, low quantity.
The fact that many of these guys stuck with OSU during the media crapstorm and Urban stepping down shows me that they truly want to be here. I like that.
I really like the WR and Dline groups. Made a pretty good recovery on the oline as far as numbers but we'll see how that group works out production-wise. Obvious hole is the DB group, particularly at corner.
Thanks again to Spooner and all who contribute to these threads. On to 2020 and 2021.
I like it too. The 'cruits that hung in there thru Tatgate became national champions.
Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0
Biggest Sleeper: Marcus Crowley
How Florida's winner of Gatorade High School Player of the Year was only recently bumped up to a 4* and is only ranked as the 26th best RB in the class is beyond me.
Perception. 6'0" but only 165 pounds.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
Not sure where you're getting 165 from. The official site has him listed at 6-1 200. I get some schools really exaggerate measurements but we're not one of them especially not a 35 pound difference.
I have been known to exaggerate measurements
Me too. That's why my wife is never aloud to order her own sub, I give her the six inch and tell her it's 12...
Go Bucks********Muck Fichigan
"aloud" vs. "allowed"?
Are you still talking about subs?
Ohio State > *ichigan
Urban > Hairbaugh
247 has him listed as 6” 165 lbs. That is probably why. The thought could be can he be a full time running back at that weight in college. You can’t just out run everyone. Even if he puts on another 10-15 he will still be light
Huh? His official 247 page has him at 6'1", 200. Watch his tape, that's not a 165 lbs dude. Jameson Williams might be, but not Crowley.
Ok. The 247 page I looked at listed him at 165. I could be wrong. The Orlando sentinel has him at 200. So I don’t know. I got a feeling he on the lighter side. If he is a legit 6 foot 200 lbs I would think he would be ranked higher. Regardless I’m glad he a buckeye and hope he has a great career
Dontre Wilson was that big when he graduated HS and he never got to be much bigger than that. Crowley is a lot bigger than Dontre.
"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine
Go ahead and downvote this one as well. Dontre wilson was an average player at best. At best.
Wilson was an average player at OSU; partially due to injuries. Not exactly saying anything controversial. You'll still likely get DV'd though because that tends to happen when you ask to be downvoted.
You guys and your silly downvoting. I said 247 page listed him at a certain weight and even if he gains weight he will be light. Good grief.I bet I know where the three downvotes came from. I wonder if it was the three people who had something to say about it. Downvoted aren’t here because you don’t agree with me that 247 page listed someone’s weight at x amount. It’s to keep idiots off the board. You keyboard tough guys sure are tough.
Getting worked up over a couple downvotes is a sure fire way to get a few more downvotes... just FYI
They're the opposite of real world currency
Not worked up. In fact I relish in them. It’s why I get out of bed. It is also the reason this site has gone down hill. I know longer use links for amazon or buy stuff from this site. Money talks. I don’t matter nor does my silly pennies. Downvote that as well.
You need a snickers bar man.
You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!
Nah, that’s who he is
I'll take it then. I love those things!
Thoughts on Hickman - admittedly I don't know a lot about him. Seems incredibly athletic. Thanks in advance.
Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!
It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
I watched his video, and was very impressed with him as a WR. On defense, he played a lot of LB, and didn’t play in coverage much. I wonder if he bulks up some and winds up there. But I’ve heard some analysts say he was great in camps last summer.
In each of the last 3 classes, one of the lowest rated guys always seem to get on the field and play a significant role on the team early in their career. Malik Harrison, Thayer Munford, and Chris Olave. I’m predicting that will happen again this year with Marcus Crowley. I think with him enrolling early, he will be ready to take that Backup spot behind Dobbins.
Not saying Jameson William is going to be Teddy Ginn, but I believe he's going to remind us a lot of him. This kid is really dynamic.
Fields of Dreams
With the reviews Jameson Williams was getting at his all star game, he might be the biggest sleeper. Dude dominated all week at practice.
I agree...the highest potential is Harrison. For longest NFL career, I'll go with Miller. A good quality center can go a long time in the league.
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Biggest early impact IMO will be Wilson and Crowley. Love Jameson but not sure about being game-ready at his size.
Was thinking more return game early impact than wideout.
Yup Day mentioned yesterday that Jameson needs a year to get his body right. Sounds like a redshirt.
I think Cade Stover makes early impact on special teams; his work ethic is second to none. I think by time he is a junior/senior he will be the face of the defense
Which guy who is more of an athlete than a football player at this stage will turnbuckle out best? Dawand Jones, Bryson Shaw, Craig Young? I would say Bryson Shaw, I think Hafley will turn into an elite coach and secondary is where athleticism can bail you out of a lot of mistakes.
I like Shaw a lot. His video is sensational. Very fast and physical. Maybe a better WR at this point, but he has all the physical tools. Jones is obviously a long term project, and Young has a ton of learning and growing to do to play OLB. His tape shows a very talented WR though. I’d start him there. We will need depth there by 20.
I just got this feeling that Dawand Jones is going to be an animal.
Best player of this class IMO will be Harry Miller. Player I'm most excited to watch: Cade Stover. Definitely agree with Jordan Battle being a massive loss.
The Battle loss was crippling -- everyone talks OL depth/future, etc...losing Battle will expose a huge gap in having a premier CB @ OSU -- no matter who you get in 2020, they will not be ready to play right away and Wade will do what too many OSU players do -- leave waaaay too early for the NFL Draft prior to maximizing their draft potential -- Okudah will be a legit early departure and you will be left with average at best options @ CB in 2020...how our staff lost a kid who was going to be the ONLY CB in the class and instead goes to Bama to be buried as one of 4 CB's in the class is baffling!
I agree that battle is a huge loss and not getting a corner in 2019 really really blows but I think Wade will stay to be the #1 guy after losing Arnette and Okudah this year. Sevyn, Tyreke, Williamson and Riep will have to hold down the fort in 2020 and 2021 until the 2020 freshmen are ready to roll.
Nicholas l Ernst
Guys -- stop already with the Tyreke Johnson @ CB non-sense -- he does not have the hips or short-space quickness to play CB @ TOSU -- he is a safety, maybe -- I was 'horrified' when I watched him in Rose Bowl practice footage, yikes! -- he was 'whiffing' on tackle drill when WR's were going @ about 70% effort, lol. -- I am from Missouri on his OSU career at this point.
Johnson was a "5-Star" in ranking only -- trust me he is a "zero star" in the WHAC right now -- tell me, have you ever heard less about a "5-Star" in his first year on campus?, like ever? -- there's a reason for the 'crickets' you have heard from the coaches on Tyreke -- the only hope is the new staff stop the silly CB pipe dream and move him to safety, but if you thought Pryor could not tackle, just wait fellas, lol.
Did you just post bashing Johnson, and then quote your own post to back yourself up??
he probably didn't realize he was logged into one of his throwaway accounts when he was replying to himself.
he basically "pulled a bayless"
how many players have really left WAAAAY too early? They are a few but most of the guys who leave early go fairly high in the draft - most of them have been 1st or 2nd round picks.
Sevyn Banks, Marcus Williamson, and Tyreke Johnson were all Coombs recruits so I am not worried about them. Hafley will develop them. Not having Taver Johnson coaching them anymore can only help. Losing Battle hurts depth for 2020 some but I suspect that we will land a few elite DBs in 2020 who will contribute and we WILL get a few elite DBs because we can tell them we're reloading again in 2020 and 2021. Immediate playing time is coming. Okudah played as a true freshman vs. USC and Wisconsin in 2017. No need to panic.
The problem with not taking one and not seeing any of the young guys play last year is that we do not know what we have for depth. Not taking a stud this year is bad. No other way around it. Also our db ALWAYS leave their junior year if they are anywhere close to a descent nfl pick. This will sting a little, especially if the injury bug hits. Go Bucks
C. Brian Massie
Cant sting any worse than this season. People need to chill out.
"Crippling" is a little overblown, dontcha think? Ftr, the Bucks are highly favored on THREE 5 star DBs for 2020 and two of those are CBs btw. With red shirt CBs Wade and Johnson (both 5 stars) on the roster with CB Sevyn Banks (a four star and he of blocked return TD vs Tsun) ; your sky is falling scenario about the loss of a FOUR star Battle doesn't hold water.
You are not wrong that it was a big loss. You also are not wrong about Wade - that if he goes early it will hurt, and there is a decent chance he will go early (even though he may be playing nickel next year).
You are wrong that it was crippling and that we are screwed in 2020. We have Banks, Johnson and Williamson in year three then. Cameron Brown has been moved to CB - no idea his skill yet but he was a top 300 HS player at WR. With that crowd and a couple of 5 star kids backing them up as frosh, I think we will be OK.
Interesting question whether we should go get a JUCO kid for 2020 like Sheffield.
"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.
JUCO may be one route and the portal may be another. I could see OSU fishing for a top 300 player who didn't love their freshman or sophomore experience and wants in so there isn't a gap when some of these guys are gone by 2021.
Wilson is the only one that I think will get legit playing time next year. He should rotate at Z wr with Olave. Miller should be the backup center, and possibly the next man up anywhere in the interior OL. ZH will probably do what Chase Young did as a frosh. Get some playing time here and there but won’t be a part of the 4 man starting rotation at DE. Jacoby and vimahi need to RS to gain weight and Dawand needs to shed some pounds and work on technique and footwork.
I like Crowley for biggest sleeper since I think he'll be in the two deep by fall. But I'm also very intrigued by Hamilton. He's not a typical TE height-wise, but I think he's going to flourish in the offense they put together. I see him more of an H-back/fullback/TE and they will move him all over the place. He's got surprising quickness for someone of his weight.
Yurcich talked about having a TE as a FB and Hamilton really fits in that role IMO. Overall his philosophy on running the ball utilizing that position successfully even when opponents expect it is fascinating. Adding Okie State/Gundy concepts should add a lot to Day's offense.
That would be great. I was wondering how they planned to use Hamilton. I’ve always thought using a flex TE, or old school HB, is a great weapon.
Doing an offense/defense for each one.
- Early Impact - Crowley/Stover
- Most Potential - Crowley/Harrison
- Sure Thing - Miller/Stover
- Biggest Reach - Hamilton/Young
- Biggest Loss - Darnell Wright/Jordan Battle
- Biggest Sleeper - Crowley/Eichenberg
- Biggest Surprise - Vimoli/McKenzie
If I had to list my top 5 biggest contributors/most productive guys in the class it would be:
Crowley, Miller, Wilson, Stover, Harrison, Eichenberg.
- I think Crowley, Eichenberg, Potter and Jones are very very underrated guys.
- Crowley will rush for 3,000 total yards while at OSU
- Eichenberg and Stover have the potential to be another Hawk and Carpenter (not style but production)
- Harrison, WIlson, Miller, Stover, Eichenberg, Potter, Crowley, McKenzie & Jones will all see their names called on day 1 or 2 of the NFL Draft (top 3 rounds i believe)
Biggest Loss - Darnell Wright
We lost Wright?
I took it as “guys we missed out on/Decommitments”, my apologies. But I think we missed out on Wright, when we may have been ours to possible lose at one point. But it was rumored that having a commitment from Nester ruined our chances with Wright. Nester didn’t even end up here anyway, so yes I feel as if we missed out on possibly snagging Wright because of the Nester stuff and ended up losing out on both.
For biggest reach I'll go a little outside the box and say Chambers IF they plan on him staying at RB
Completely agree; I see this kid at LB the same way I always saw Brendon White on the defensive side of the ball.
Can somebody compare Crowley as a recruit to Dobbins. I understand Crowley was an early commit and didn't do camps which lowers his rankings but people are very high on him just wondering why.(Not saying he won't be good just haven't watched any film or anything on him)
Bc Marcus won Florida POY and you need to be very good to do that. Hard to compare to JK but Crowley is a taller version of Snead IMO.
Heres highlights: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oE4KmDvia58
“Atta boy, Crowley!”
Lol every time I've watched I'm always waiting for him to call him Marcus instead of Crowley but it never happens
I’ll throw in a shout out for Rocket Ronnie at S. I like a fast safety. As good as Fuller and guys in the last like Tyvis Powell have been, they’re not fast guys.
Yep, last true 4.4 guy we had a safety was Malik Hooker. Lets hope Rocket turns out similar
I thought I remembered reading a while back that Hickmans nickname was misleading because he wasnt very fast. Am I wrong about that?
The juice is worth the squeeze
You’re not wrong. I remember hearing the same thing from an insider. Hickman got the nickname as a kid. Though I don’t know how fast he is, just saying what I heard someone else say.
You could be right. And even if Hickman isn't much of a burner, the other safety we recruited, Bryson Shaw, IS a true 4.4 guy. If he has the hip fluidity for it, I could see them giving him a shot at corner.
I think Garrett Wilson goes down as the best WR to come through Ohio State. I honestly think he'll be starting at some point this year.
Unless something drastic happens with injuries at best he might get an OR on the roster but he’s not starting this year. He still has to learn routes, build his relationship with the qb and ball out in practice while staying healthy himself.
I can see him getting more snaps than our usual allowance for freshman receivers though.
Most of what you said is true, except this...
build his relationship with the qb
Assuming Fields gets his eligibility, he was have the exact same amount of time to develop a relationship with the QB as every other player on the roster. I think we see Wilson end up in the 30ish reception range
Right but I’m saying he’s going to have to have the relationship if he’s bypassing the guys already in front of him.
His route running won't be a problem.. I think it's pretty obvious he was the best route runner in the country this year at the HS level. He received some excellent coaching at Lake Travis. Blocking is the one thing that could hold him back, just because he's a young kid that will still have to put on some muscle, just like every other freshman.
Garrett Wilson is a freak, but feel like some of us are crowing his true freshman impact a little too early IMO. He needs to bulk up--there was talk about how he never really has had much time to focus on his football body since he played basketball all through HS. He needs to bulk up or he'll get bodied at the LOS by many B1G press corners. I personally see a similar situation as Olave this year where he really comes on in the last few games. Definitely see an amazing career here, but I think we need to pump brakes a little on his impact for this season.
He said he has gained 6 lbs already. Not sure that is sustainable but it puts him at 186 now. His body may be ready this season.
During his interview yesterday he said he's already up to 186 after being on campus for 1 month. Day also mentioned he's played basketball so he's never been in a S&C program full time. I think he'll be fine with another 5 months of lifting to go.
He'll be 195 by the time the season starts. That's fine by me. Pound here or there, plus Mick has him for 3 years. Let's not forget most of our receivers were barely 200 for most of their career's. He'll be a solid 190 by Fall camp at worst, can't have him bulking up too much too son to affect his speed/athleticism.
I agree that he needs a little more mass, but I think he won't have as big of an impact as projected just from the simple question: "who do you play him over?" That is really what happened with Olave - he was still too small even when he did start playing, but he played because Austin Mack was injured. Our depth at WR, departures notwithstanding, is possibly still the best on the whole team.
Pick up your feet, turn your corners square! And DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE!!!
Could be, but I suspect this staff is going to have much more of a "play the freshmen" mindset than the last staff.
You can bet if Garrett Wilson is beating Okudah and Wade in practice he's gonna get snaps under Day.
Just read Bitm’s article that says Dawand Jones’ mom is pretty peeved that he selected OSU. She wanted USC for the warm weather. Yikes.
She should probably consider moving out of indiana then lol.
Well she was certainly honest and seems unbelievably perturbed by the cold. I actually laughed out loud at the full quote. I guess it's better than Alex Collins' mom a few years back who ran off with his LOI because he was signing with Arkansas over Miami. If this one ends up with Jones in the same place Collins currently is then that would be great for all parties.
I guess it's better than Alex Collins' mom a few years back who ran off with his LOI because he was signing with Arkansas over Miami.
No one will ever top that, and I hope nobody ever tries. Cringe-worthy (but hilarious).
Goodness, that was supposed to say Birm’s, not Bitm’s. My stupid iPhone likes to decide how things should be spelled...
Shows just how little she knows about LA. It's typically not "warm" there.
Take this for what it’s worth but someone involved in college football but not at Ohio State believes Garett Wilson is the biggest lock. Just an elite talent. Only thing that could hold him up is injuries.
You kind of prefaced your statement like it was some under the table rumor only to mention what would be a normal CFB opinion lol
I worded it poorly I apologize. Was watching a college basketball game while typing.
He thought he was the biggest lock to be succesful in college football. He said if he had to bank on one kid being a first round draft pick it would be him. Elite catch radius. He said with a lot of WRs is a projection. Arguable the second toughest position outside of linemen to scout just because they just dominate the competition physically also. There are times though when a guy comes through at WR and everyone just knows before they even set foot on campus. I.E Julio Jones.... Said a lot of schools tried flipping him he never waivered.
I agree, Wilson will be special. Lake Travis is an elite high school football program and their players are taught college football level techniques and ideas while they're there. Wilson is ahead of the curve when it comes to what the average division 1 football recruit knows going into college.
I'll just make on big reach prediction. Dawand Jones gets in shape, misses basketball. Walks on the B-ball team. Excels at both sports. Becomes first round NFL and NBA pick and future HOFer in both sports. No, I won't put any money on this.
Ready to put that in writing?
It's on the internet, what more do you want!?
When I posted it, it was in writing, and worth about half as much as most things on the internet.
So TIFWIW but this Ohio.com article is saying the NCAA has cleared Fields to play this year. Not sure if it's real since I would think it would be all over the news. But it does have a quote from Justin's lawyer so idk what to believe yet...
Bill Rabinowitz is saying on twitter he wrote two stories, cleared to play and not cleared to play, not sure why story was posted.
There's a quote from the attorney in the article saying he's eligible. I think it happened.
Yeah, unless Bill's in the business of fabricating quotes it seems this released before it was supposed to be public and he's now doing damage control on Twitter.
Yeah Dublin that's the part to me that makes this whole thing weird. Like how would you have a direct quote from Justin's attorney thanking Gene Smith, Coach Day and tOSU Compliance for their help in getting Fields eligible? Rabinowitz is not someone I've known to make crap up so I'm wondering if it possible this has actually happened but nothing officially announced yet.
Ok false alarm. Apparently Rabinowitz tweeted and said the sister paper company to his posted it under his name.
You're mean.. As my girlfriend would say.
Really hate premature "ejections". But I'll be damned if you didn't have me about to be turned up to 100 at 10am on a Friday morning. I was about to be the happiest man in Cincinnati..
It will happen I have faith. # gobucks
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Spooner, we really need to teach you how to embed a tweet.
I post from mobile iOS 100% of the time. Last time I tried it did not work out.
I tried for like an hour one time to embed from mobile.. left feeling sad. lol
Can they catch him? No they can't, touchdown.
Wow there really was something to this. Wonder if someone spilled the beans.