Tressel Would Have Been a Tremendous NFL Coach

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bbb's picture

He has no coaching experience. Coaching isn't JUST about leadership (although it's of course an important component)

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buckeyefan333's picture

I think you're confusing 2 recent JT's. This is talking about Tress, not JT Barrett

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TeddyKGB's picture

I think you are confused, it was talking about Justin Timberlake.

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Major H's picture

I bet he can't throw!

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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logamaniac's picture

I think you are confused, it was talking about Tim's twin Jim Tebow

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Invictus Buck's picture

He's bringing punting backkkkkk

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

It helps if you actually read the article before commenting. 

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Byaaaahhh's picture

Even just the first 17 words lol

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Reading is hard...

Shandy is not beer

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TeddyKGB's picture

It also helps to clarify in the subject line and actually put 'Jim Tressel.' Especially after JT Barrett was the 'JT' on the forums for 6+ years.

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Major H's picture

I first thought JT Barrett, too. Then I read the OP.  JTB IV might be a coach some day, but I see him as more of a business man.

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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Buckeyes01752's picture

I read the title and thought, "But he's not done playing yet."

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Hondo's picture

Same. There is only one JT and he could well become a coach at some point.

The Browns are no longer the worst franchise in all of professional sport.

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Hovenaut's picture

Solid post, OP - but I don't see it. 

I think JT was definitely his father's son, and connected best with players at the college level. That's not to say I don't think Tress could lead an NFL team, but that he was a better fit on Saturdays. He might have had a strong season or two, but his on-field strategies would have become adaptable quickly.

It happens - Saban flunked out (badly) at Miami, Barry Switzer was a puppet for the last legs of Jerrah's best team's run, The OBC Steve Spurrier was a complete joke in DC, Butch Davis in Cleveland (sorry, Browns fans), Bobby Petrino, Lou Holtz...to name a few. 

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buckeyefan333's picture

I don't think Saban flunked badly in Miami. He of course didn't have the undefeated seasons that we're now accustomed to him producing, but he did take the team from 6-10 in year 1 to 9-7 in year 2, and that was after his front office passed on Drew Brees due to injury concerns (one of the biggest "what if's" in football imo - what if Brees had landed in Miami, does Saban ever come to Bama?).

I think Saban, like Meyer from his recent comments, isn't wired to be a pro coach where 9-7 is a successful season, so he went back to college and brought the organizational structure with all the support staff he learned in the NFL with him and built Bama into a machine. 

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Hovenaut's picture

I used "flunked badly" because he quit, and it's an opportunity for me to jab at Saban. Maybe not the most accurate descriptor, but I went with it. 

That's an interesting "what if" regarding Brees. I ultimately think Saban appeals more to the college atmosphere and the level of autonomy he could (and would) attain.

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Worthington Buck's picture

Agree with this.  Belichick excels because he's able to adapt to the opponent / game better than any coach ever.  JT is the exact opposite, what you see is what you get.  He would occasionally throw in a wrinkle in a big game but we also had our fair share of big games where the opponent seemed to know every play that would be run.  

Personally I think Tress is best suited (especially now) to FCS or mid major football.  He's not innovative and he's not cutthroat in recruiting, but he gets the best out of what he has on hand more often than not.

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Dstacify's picture

In Butch Davis's case he was kind of a fraud even at the U. Don't think for a second he was running a clean program while he was there considering all the trouble he got the UNC football program into when he was the HC there. To me Butch Davis is an average coach at best (though the new Browns were more competitive under him than they have been under any other regime thus far).

11 Strong.

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Hovenaut's picture

Fair points.

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RK84's picture

+1 for the use of tremendous.

I think he could have been successful but I believe his passion was/is the kids and helping grow into adults.

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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jamesrbrown322's picture

Not only that. He could also provide the halftime entertainment.

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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bd2999's picture

I think he would be a good coach, but not sure if at the NFL level or not. I feel he would need experience first.

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jpfbucks01's picture

I think Tressel's down fall in the NFL would have been his loyalty to assistant coaches.

He hung on to guys like Siciliano and Bollman among others for far too long in key roles.

If Belichick shows anything it is that he is able to adjust to a constantly changing asst group, Tressel had far less turnover

I in the end this would have doomed Tressel to mediocrity in the NFL

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stxbuck's picture

JT kept Sicialiano around b/c he did the QB coaching himself and needed someone to hold his clipboard for him. He wasn't going to let some hotshot coach his QBs-which was fine-they developed very well under his tutelage. Of course this approach deprived keyboard warriors the chance to chance to gloat about how they had not only the best coach and best players, but the most awesomest assistants as well. Who cares about how the program ran overall-it's about message board swag!!!!!

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jpfbucks01's picture

Are you seriously defending the choice to keep coach Nick on the staff?

I understand that Tress always had a big hand in QB development, but to pay a guy 100K plus to hold clipboards and run tape 8-10 years ago is borderline criminal negligence on his part.

As we know now, Nick was never anything more than a QC guy at best as even Minny only pays him to be just that now. He is barely above grad asst. I cant help but think that had Tressel had a proper QB coach after Daniels resigned that QB play for guys like Pryor, Braxton in 2011, and Bauserman woud have improved much as you tout guys like Troy improving under Tressel and Daniels

Pryor did get a little better each year, bt his raw ability was never fully tapped by Tressel/Siciliano, I think in part due to coach Nick being unqualified to do the job, which was obvious after the 2009 season when Nick took over and Pryor's QB rating dipped nearly 20 points that year from his freshman season.

Instead Tressel took on the increased role himself and kept the glorified clipboard holder on the staff, rather than tell Nick it was time to move on and hire a proper QB coach.

That 2010 team in particular was nearly good enough to win a national title and Tress perhaps squandered it against Wisconsin that year as when we fell behind and had to rely on TP as a passer to bring us back, he was not up to the challenge, going 14 of 28 for 156 and a critical pick, for a QB Eff rating of 89.7 that night, thus allowing us to not be undefeated and ranked in the top 2, but instead to 6th and out of the mix

Would we have beaten Wisky that night with a proper QB coach? We unfortunately will never know. Would we have scored more than 17 against a decent but not great Iowa team, or more than 24 against a mediocre Illinois team, all that went into the perception that we were not passing the eye test??

Combine that with dumping Bollman and who knows what that Offense with 4 receivers that played in the NFL and 2 RBS, and maybe the big 3 upfront Adams, Brewster etc may have developed into better players as well,

But because Tressel had known Nick since 1997 when he was GA at YSU and Bollman going back 1979-80 when they were both Assistants at Miami O, some greatly talented offense often failed to develop properly, due to his loyalty.

IN the NFL you often can't simply "out talent" people to 9+ wins a year and then motivate to another 1-2 a year as Tressel did as the talent difference is often not large enough to allow dead weight like Nick and Bolls to "hang around" because they are "good guys"

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stxbuck's picture

I'm defending the fact that Tressel earned enough rope to run the team (and more specifically the QB position) the way he wanted, and not according to the temper tantrums of interwebz denizens. I realize that your hindsight is far superior to the coaching skills of any multiple NC winning coach, who had one of his best teams at tOSU returning before the tatt-gate fiasco.

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jpfbucks01's picture

No body who is HC of OSU ever earns enough rope, that why they get paid multi millions a year to do the job

The decision to use Nick in the first place was a stop gap as Daniels had been off an on ill the past year and only resigned close to the start of the 2009 season ie after spring ball that year.

I think Tressel was hoping Daniels could return and rather than hire a proper QB coach simply elevated Nick. 2009 was not a good year for Pryor in terms of development as many of his passing stats got significantly worse than they had been the year before

His Completion Pct dropped from 4 points, his yards/att dropped, his TD/INT rate went from 3-1 down to 1.63-1, his INT rate doubled, while his TD rate went down. Even his yards per completion dropped, so across the board he got worse as a Soph. with Nick leading him at least in title.

Tressel made too much money to just let that slide and go with status quo the next year.

And although Pryor did improve in 2010 he never quite got to the Cam newton kind of  level of performance that his potential showed he had.

I have no crystal ball back then, but hindsight makes clear that keeping Nick around to coach the best rated QB prospect this school ever had before Fields was likely a mistake

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stxbuck's picture

You don't get it-Tressel coached the QBs-it doesn't matter if Queen Latifah was the QB coach. It would be like if Emeril Lagasse hired me as a menu consultant for his restaurant-if he has a brain he isn't going to listen to me/give me the keys to kingdom, he is going to do it his damn self w/ me understanding my fundamental irrelevance, b/c he isn't going to screw up a well oiled machine.

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jpfbucks01's picture

I do get that Tressel was the primary QB coach de facto in 2009/10 and frankly did a pretty terrible job of it in 2009 and although Pryor got better in 2010 he was still paying Nick $165K in 2010 to do what exactly?

I think Tressel's QB coaching ability as witnessed by his track record is a bit hit and miss

Obviously Troy Smith got better, but Daniels was often credited for that success and Pryor committed in large part to be coached up by Daniels due to his development of Troy and previous coaching of guys like Dan Marino at Pitt among others

Tressel as QB coached had these on his resume

1979 - Miami O Chuck Hauck - 93.3 Pass Eff

1980 - Miami O - 3 different guys split time none better than 120 and they threw 11 TDs vs 16 INTs

1981 - Syracuse - Dave Warner - sub 110 Pass Eff 7 TDs 11INTs

1982 - Syracuse - 3 guys split again - none above an 89.0 - 4 TDs 26 INts

1983/84 - OSU - Tomzack who Pass Eff ratings in the 130, and threw more Picks than TDs

1985 - Karsatos - 144.6 QB rating - first actual good performance

He never developed good passing QBs at YSU with his best ranking at a career mark of below 140 in Pass Eff

And Pryor never got to the level he should have

I loved Tressel while he was here, but in retrospect, he was at best an "effective" offensive coach and won primarily due to guys like Dantonio and Heacock leading elite defense so that his at time pedestrian offense would be okay

Every coach has their flaws and to me, Tressel's unwillingness to part with duds like Bollman and Nick lead to less success that he could have otherwise, I think our offense cost us possibly 4 national titles in his 10 years (03, 06, 07, and 10)

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Buck298's picture

Little known fact. Queen Latifah was Coach Day’s mentor in his first few years in the NFL before teaching QB guru Quinton Avery everything he knows about QB mechanics. That woman is a genius. 

Send the Earth Reverberating

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gobucks1966's picture

I don't think he was a great coach here but was suited more for the YSU level. He came here at the perfect time. He had a very good staff at first and a team with a lot of talent handed to him. He couldn't replace coach's as they left he wasn't a great recruiter out of state either. He beat ttun but in that era ttun wasn't real good and the B10 wasn't real strong. Two more trips for a Natty only to get destroyed in each 0/2 vs USC and 1/3 vs Texas. I remember it well lets keep Ohio money is state. In other words play YSU and Akron and other's then run through the B10. Sure your going to get a great Bowl after beating no one to get there. In reality he nearly blew the Arkansas game with his stupid mentality of taking his foot off the gas and the punt the most important play in football lol. He should of spent more time coaching football instead of teaching in the class room. All I can say is the government won't build a wall but they will have to spend money on the White House after the vest tears the doors down to get his big head into the White House. I know most love the guy  but not here can't stand little big man a good coach but no way great. Not sure how many know this but he wanted to be AD here too.

Denny

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BuckGnome's picture

You don't think Tress was a great coach here???  The Vest is a legend!

I actually remember the teams of the 80's and 90's.  Tress elevated the entire program.   IMO the Tressel-Meyer era has been nothing but a Golden Age of OSU football.

And the random "nearly blew the Arkansas game" comment....  A classic demonstration of Tresselball in action.  Might not have been super pretty, but it won a ton of games.

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RMLogic's picture

Tressel did a great job but he is not close to being an elite coach. He was far too conservative in play calling and in his later years did adjust well to opponents game strategy.

Tressel's record against Top 5 ranked teams was a BAD 4-8. He just did not do well against the elite teams like Texas, USC, UF, LSU.

As far a a pro coach I doubt anyone thinks he would do well. Most college coaches are not suited to coach an entire team of divas and prima donnas.

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stxbuck's picture

5 NCs says you are an idiot. 5 rings, regardless of level=elite. Period.

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RollRedRoll's picture

I get it now, Gobucks1966 is actually Ryan Hamby. 

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gobucks1966's picture

The Hamby drop was just one play and I feel for the guy. I'm sure there were missed tackles and other things that led to defeat in that game like Texas scoring to many points. 

Denny

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stxbuck's picture

If you win an NC in your second year at tOSU, you are suited to be a big time coach. I'm continually amazed at the hate and idiocy some on here still have regarding Tressel.

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