Cincinnati Reds and JT Realmuto Rumors

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tcm1968's picture

This dude should have been catching for the Tribe last year and when they moved Gomes should have been a priority... Tribe just puts no value on catchers who can hit.... such a shame...

Would be a HUGE upgrade for the Reds....  funny how being the laughing stock of the State can push you to actually make big league moves. Reds have had a great offseason..

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DefenceWinsChampionships's picture

The tribe doesn't appear to put much of a value on anyone who can hit. Have you seen their lineup lately?

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Sanitarian2's picture

Current catcher and the fourth prospect in the minors is all. Two year rental is not worth much more than that.

Sani

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BPOSU's picture

Not a reds fan, but I'm never a fan of putting value on a catchers offense. Realmuto may be one of the best in the league, but his stats really aren't a significant amount better than the average at his position. If you're going to give up a lot of money/best prospects, I wouldn't do so for a catcher. 

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McBain's picture

You also have to remember Realmuto put up the best offensive numbers for a catcher playing in what is probably the most pitcher friendly park in the league. If he played in GABP his 21 HR and 75 RBI could easily turn into 25-30 HR and 85-90 RBI which is a massive difference over the current catcher

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

He would kill it in GAB

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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tcm1968's picture

You have to factor in park and not just raw stats... Cincy and Cleveland have top 5 hitting parks.. Depending on the metric Marlins Park is either second to last or last in every category. Statistically the toughest place to hit a HR in all of baseball. Great American Ballpark being the easiest. 

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

I would offer India immediately for him. Maybe Trammell also. 

Would not give up Hunter Greene. And not Senzal (Dick Williams said today Senzal has a tremendous chance to start in CF this season. 

Reds line up would be stacks

Votto

Senzal

Piug

Realmuto

Suarez

Scooter

Peraza

Schebler/Winker/Kemp

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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bleedscarletpissmaize's picture

Trammell, senzel and Greene better be untouchable. Barnhart and India should be enough and if not, move on.

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stxbuck's picture

Sorta agree-one of Senzel and India is too good as bait to keep if the right deal comes up-not going to debate which one. Trammel and Green-no way-they will be replacing people in 2020.

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Defiance's picture

Great post 12FTW, always love some Cincinnati Reds talk, especially during the long cold off season.

A quick Google search yields the following nuggets:

Throughout the process, the Marlins have held firm on their high return for arguably the top catcher in the Majors. They are seeking a package of two-to-four players, with at least a top prospect or two included.

This one talks to what the Reds may have to offer up:

The Reds also have a deep system, and the Marlins have discussed outfielder Taylor Trammell (ranked 16th overall) and third baseman Jonathan India (53rd). Cincinnati has a proven big league catcher in Tucker Barnhart, who could be part of a potential trade, as well.

Talking catchers and Cincinnati takes me back to the days of The Big Red Machine and IMHO you can't do any better than this back stop! 

"Defiance in Silence" 

Shhhh

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typeOHpositive's picture

Bench was the gold standard behind the plate and with the bat....as good as there ever was....he was the reason I became a catcher.

"I don't want to be around average, why be around average!" -UFM

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BengalBuck's picture

G.O.A.T. before goat was a thang....

Neil Armstrong lied to me...

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Evannati's picture

MLB TV is currently running an excellent documentary on Johnny Bench.  If you're a fan, it is must-see.  I still remember the summer when Bench was elected to the Hall of Fame.  There was a party for him on Fountain Square in downtown Cincinnati and Bob Trumpy was the MC.  He said something like the following that has always stuck in my mind, "A thousand years from now, when they pick the all-time baseball team, Johnny Bench will be the catcher."  

Word is here that the Reds are offering Jonathan India and Tucker Barnhart for Realmuto.  The Reds would have a minimum two-year rental with him, along with an excellent prospect in the minors - Tyler Stephenson - who, in two years, will be ready.  So, Tucker is on the clock either way.  Barnhart is a great teammate and is excellent at handling pitchers, but this deal appears to be no-lose for the Reds.  

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Would be the perfect deal IMO 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

I think Senzal is pretty much off limits. They could of had Kluber if the deal included Senzal. Reds didn't want him in it. Would not overpay for Realmuto but would give up India who is log jammed in the Reds organization. India not playing 3rd anytime soon. Most likely going to be a corner outfield in the long run.

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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703Buckeye's picture

Reds putting in work this offseason while us Indians fans sit around like:

"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter

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McBain's picture

The more I think about the move, the more I like it (given that the price isn't too high). The Reds could desperately use a top of the rotation starter but it seems like the Indians wanted the farm for Kluber and Kuechel doesn't seem to have any interest in Cincy (saw he has narrowed his list to  ATL, MIL, and HOU).

So if you cant get the ToR type of starter then the next best way to win games is to simply out-hit everyone. Right now with the roster as is the Reds are probably gonna end up somewhere between 75 and 85 wins, so most likely missing a playoff spot (especially in the absolutely stacked NL Central) and with Puig, Wood, Kemp, and Roark with only 1 yr left on the contract then you have to go all in a little bit.

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camcop71's picture

I would really try get him to agree to an extension before trading for him.

"I was tired of trying to work my way around the back so I just ran him over.” -Joey Bosa, PSU 10/25/14

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CincyBucksFan's picture

I'd offer India and Barnhart and a flyer prospect.  Realmuto hit 21 hrs in Miami last year.  Barnhart hit 10 or 11.  Barnhart had an OPS+  in the 90s, Realmuto's was in the 140's.  He is a massive upgrade, and if they would take that trade I'd do it in a heartbeart.

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binger18's picture

Not sure I make the trade. IMO Barnhart defensively is as good ..fewer passed balls, more assists. Not going to cost you many games behind the plate and pitchers love him. Not as strong as Realmuto with the bat . I feel the reds can make a stronger effect on overall wins with another starter. Keep working on Kluber deal but not with Senzel or Greene. The deal I heard the reds were discussing was Kluber to reds for India or Trammell and scooter gennett. I would make that in a second.

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buckeyearchie76's picture

If the Reds trade for Realmuto, they definitely improve the offense in the catcher position.  But, defensively, this would not be an upgrade at all. Tucker Barnhart won the Gold Glove as a catcher in 2017.  So, they must decide on a catcher who will give them more offense or a catcher who is excellent defensive and also is a favorite of the pitchers on how he calls a game.  And remember, the Reds have a very good hitting team as well.  My biggest concern is who is going to play center field this year.  All of their outfielders are corner outfielders.  The two options seem to be Puig or Senzel.  Puig has an absolute cannon in right field--very similar to what Dave Parker had.  Senzel played all over the place in the minors.  He is mainly a third baseman.  But, he is not going to beat out Eugenio Suarez there.  So, they do have a couple of decisions to make and Spring Training is quickly approaching.

Louis Haynes

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Hanawi_'s picture

Tucker is a very poor pitch framer (one of the worst in baseball according to the metrics) and the defense is pretty much a wash between the two. Realmuto would be a massive upgrade. But I wouldn't overpay. India and Tucker should be enough. Maybe a low ceiling third piece.

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stxbuck's picture

Realmuto is a Gold Glover!?! That's Barnhart's defensive level.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Realmuto is a step down defensively. But he is a silver slugger at the catcher spot. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Dick Williams said today Senzal in the mix and might be the guy in centerfield. Keep Puig in right. Schebler and kemp platoon in left. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Urban_Can_Recruit's picture

Don’t forget about my guy Jesse Winker!

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TBDBITL DAD's picture

Yes. Winker was coming on strong before his injury last year. I think he is a better hitter than Schebler. Schebler is faster though so might be a better fit to throw into center if needed.

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gobucks1966's picture

I am a heavy fantasy player and will admit Realmuto is a hitting stud for a catcher.  How ever catching to me is a position in real baseball that you need a defensive player that can handle the staff. Not a Reds fan either  but I wouldn't sell the farm for this guy. Two reasons they need a pitching staff first and Votto is in decline mode but the rest of the team is pretty good for that band box. I would hate to see them give away their future on a catcher that could get hurt and miss a ton of time. Not sure how Barnhart handles the staff but he is a decent hitter for a catcher. Fantasy wise Realmuto Sanchez are the elite hitters then it drops a ton. Molina is not going to continue to hit like he has and Perez is going to slide too. They should of went for Ramos if they wanted a catcher. They want to much for him and half of the beer sales I would pass.

Denny

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stxbuck's picture

Barnhart calls a great game/handles the staff well, and is a Gold Glover. Decent enough hitter for a C, as you mention.

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SirRyanDay's picture

I like the moves the Reds have made. It has been a few years of some rough baseball and these moves can maybe inject some meaningful baseball games into the late summer. With Votto getting older, I'm happy the front office is bringing in talent that could provide him more chances. Couldn't ask for more for a small market team. 

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wpbbuckeye's picture

Rest easy, Reds fans.  It is almost impossible to come out on the wrong end of a trade with Mike Hill and the Marlins.  I think if you offered a life-sized mannequin of Ed Armbrister and a bag of slightly-used baseballs, the Fish would take it.  Though to be fair, an Armbrister mannequin would be at worst our second-best outfielder.

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CincyBucksFan's picture

We could possibly add kemp to any trade as well. The corner outfield spots are jam packed and I’m sure the marlins wouldn’t mind taking on an expiring contract 

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sivaDavis's picture

Trade them a washing machine and I think you could get em

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WezBuck28's picture

As a reds fan, I'm tired of watching terrible season after terrible season..just do what you gotta do to make this team relevant please!

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Pretty much. Would like to see a legit number 1 at the top of the pitching rotation. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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WezBuck28's picture

I'm glad we have someone in office with some sac that ain't afraid to make some changes..

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RBloodworth's picture

I mostly agree, although it hasn’t been THAT long since this franchise has been relevant.  I mean, it’s only been 5 years since they made back-to-back playoff appearances.  Both of those seasons had disappointing finishes, but I wouldn’t call them “terrible”.

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stxbuck's picture

I think the Reds looking for Realmuto as a trade chip, or replacement for Tucker Barnhart being used as a trade chip. With Barnhart and Farmer they don't need an upgrade at the position. We aren't done with big moves in the next 60 days,imo.

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buckeyefan67's picture

St X --as a big Red's fan myself (way back to Pete's days), where do you see Cinci making their next moves if not at backstop?  SPs have been upgraded, RPs looks in good shape as does OF with the LA adds.  With the signing of Scooter and having Peraza, Suarez and Votto under contract ; maybe another IF bat would be nice.  Or perhaps with Hamilton gone ...some additional SB options would help.

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stxbuck's picture

I think they A-get Klueber here in the next few weeks, or B-make a deadline deal in August w/ Senzel or one of the other top prospects if they need to push across the finish line. I guess Keuchel is a FA option, but there has been a lot more smoke about a Klueber deal all off season. Apparently Keuchel wants 5 years and that is scaring teams away.

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Hanawi_'s picture

Farmer is going to be catching in AAA. Realmuto is a big step up from Tucker.

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gobucks1966's picture

MLB show mentioned the other day mentioned If they trade Realmuto a catcher will have to be part of the deal. Their farm system is dry the next man up there is 19 years old and not near ready. That came from the GM or someone in the brass.

Denny

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CardaleFTW's picture

Loved hearing everyone’s thoughts.

Not sure why many are calling Realmuto a hitting only upgrade though. Barnhart may have won the GG in 2017, but in 2018, Realmuto was ranked 9 spots higher than Barnhart defensively.

I’d give up India, Barnhart, and a failed prospect with a little potential left such as Robert Stephenson.

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Hanawi_'s picture

Yep. The 2017 season is more of an outlier for Tucker especially defensively. I also don't think he calls a very good game. And I wonder if the Reds' pushing for JTR is because the new coaches feel the same.

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BuckeyeBen7.7's picture

While Realmuto is real good, I don’t want to see the Reds make the trade if it means having to give up some good prospects. Tucker is a fine catcher himself, and you have Casali who has played well too.  The Cincinnati offense is already stacked, and our current catching combo produces decent offense. The defense between Realmuto and Barnhart is a slight edge to Tucker. Realmuto might be an upgrade to Tucker, but it’s not a huge one and not one that necessitates is giving up big prospects for him. I don’t the Reds don’t get him.

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CincyBucksFan's picture

The reds current catcher do not produce decent offense.  They produce below average offense, and JT Realmuto is the best catcher in the league.  This is an upgrade you make if you want to contend.

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The Cynic's picture

This offseason has been strange as fan. While they’ve made good moves IMO, several of these guys are rentals in their walk years, and we know the Reds won’t pay them all. So this may be an attempt to acquire trade chips for the deadline. Or maybe they want to actually compete even if only for this year. If they make a deal for Realmuto, I’d like to see them extend him for 2-3 more years as he’s only 27. I’d give up India for that. I’d love to see Kluber here, but I doubt they’re willing to deal Senzel. I’d actually be willing to deal Greene for Kluber. He’s very young and there’s absolutely no guarantee he’ll be an ace. We’ve seen with Stephenson, Reed, and Garrett that talented young pitchers don’t always pan out.

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stxbuck's picture

As a reliever, Garrett has done far more than Reed or Stephenson in the bigs.

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Hanawi_'s picture

I wouldn't give up on Reed just yet. And Garrett has been doing well as a reliever, which he was always destined for due to his lack of a good third pitch. Interested to see if any of those young guys can make a jump with a new coach. 

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McBain's picture

Getting a Realmuto extension agreed upon makes his price go WAAAY up to the point it would probably take 2 of our top 5 prospects. The Marlins aren't even allowing a window to to negotiate an extension because they must know there are only a handful of team JTR would sign an extension with and don't want to scare other teams away.

I believe with a lot of these 1 year rentals the reds could in theory give them Qualifying Offers and get a draft pick if they decide to leave. Also, if things go belly up this season they could flip Puig, Kemp and Wood pretty easily (as long as their numbers aren't a disaster).

Although judging by the Matt Harvey fiasco last year I don't have a lot of confidence the front office could pull that off- Got Harvey for pretty much nothing, he had somewhere around a 3.50 ERA for the Reds around the trade deadline and they held on to him and the GM said to keep the "positive momentum" then promptly went 19-36 the rest of the way and Harvey walked for free and Reds passed on the opportunity to get SOMETHING from him. Even if it was a long shot prospect at least it's better than nothing

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Jonathan Mayo of MLB.com reported late Saturday that the Marlins and Reds are still negotiating a deal. According to Mayo’s sources, the deal would be built around Reds’ prospect Jonathan India, the fifth overall selection from last June’s draft. The Marlins would also receive Tucker Barnhart and one or more lesser prospects in the proposed deal.

Dealing India makes sense from the Reds’ side, as he’s blocked at the big league level by Eugenio Suarez at third base and by Scooter Gennett at second base, not to mention Nick Senzel.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Looks like the Reds are stuck with no hitting Tucker Barnhardt and position less Jonathan India. Was hoping they would get Realmuto

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stxbuck's picture

Barnhart is an adequate hitter for the position, especially w/ a Gold Glove on his resume. Would it have been nice to get a bat like Realmuto in the position-absolutely. Make or break-absolutely not.

If the universal DH goes into effect, the Reds might want to hold onto India................

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

We will have to disagree on him being an adequate hitter for his position. I just expect a better average with RISP. To me he is just a defensive catcher. Nothing more than that. 

As for India, he better hope so about the DH. Because there is no real way to the majors with the Reds. He is blocked at every position unless he starts playing the corner outfield. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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stxbuck's picture

Ok-what do you consider "adequate' #s for the position? Can you find 5 or 6 other Cs w/ Realmuto's #s?

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McBain's picture

Yadi, Sal Perez, Grandal, Wilson Ramos, Gary Sanchez

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M5gatronBuckeye's picture

Regarding India, You never know what can happen in a few years. If he's a great hitter, they'll find a way to get him into the lineup. All great hitters do 

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Sanitarian2's picture

I think you do a disservice to Tucker.

Sani

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

How so? He is a hole in the line up. Hit .248.

Hit .206 with RISP 

Good defensive catcher but a liability at the plate. 

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Hanawi_'s picture

He's also overrated defensively by Reds' fans.

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stxbuck's picture

Realmuto is an extreme statistical outlier for the position. Barnhart's stats are pretty much par for the course, especially when combined w/ his defensive prowess, which is what teams look to develop first. Admittedly, the Reds have been trying to get a big hitting C for years, but Mesoroco's hip injury kinda screwed things up on that front. Tyler Stephenson will be ready to make noise in a couple of years.

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Sanitarian2's picture

At worst he's an above average catcher in the league and a key player on the Reds.

Sani

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Jsstull's picture

One has to think Philly now goes all in for Harper and/or Machado now. Perhaps Keuchel too. 

O-H-I-O

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tcm1968's picture

I wouldn't pay for either guy.. but someone will...  and I wouldn't touch Machado with a ten foot pole. That guys stats away from Camden Yard would scare me off a big deal..  He was basically an all-star when he hit in Camden and then just a guy on the road ( they had a stat up that he was basically Billy Hamilton stat wise away from Camden).  Every stat took a dive once he was traded to the Dodgers... HARD pass...

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CincyBucksFan's picture

People keep talking about Barnhart's gold glove defensive season, but he's also consistently rated as one of the worst pitch framers in baseball, and is a terrible hitter.  Hitting sub .250 with 10 hrs in GABP is terrible.  If you're not going to hit fore average, at least hit some damn home runs.

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CincyBucksFan's picture

People keep talking about Barnhart's gold glove defensive season, but he's also consistently rated as one of the worst pitch framers in baseball, and is a terrible hitter.  Hitting sub .250 with 10 hrs in GABP is terrible.  If you're not going to hit fore average, at least hit some damn home runs.

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lamplighter's picture

you can say that again

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tcm1968's picture

Agreed..... when you start factoring in park ( GABP best hitters park.. and Marlins worst) you'd think Barnhart would be an average hitter with inflated stats... he's a BAD hitter that looks ok'ish because of the park... Dude batted .204 away from GABP last season... .204!!!!!! just awful...

Realmuto would have been a MAJOR upgrade... MAJOR..

Must be an Ohio thing.... No value in catchers that can hit for both the Tribe and Reds...

Go Bucks!

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