Last kid offered late ends up being a good player. That has happened a lot before. Those so called after thoughts end up working out.
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
Hoping Ben improves his D and gets his chance at OSU.
Also wishing he doesn't hurt OSU while playing for another B1G team.
Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !
I saw Ben play last Friday night versus Westerville South. He can do it all offensively, but right now defense is only a rumor to him.
I don't give a damn for the whole state of Xichigan.
I would say that is the case for most High School kids. Luther Muhammad is more of an exception, Duane Washington (and how you describe Roderick) is more typical.
I play, coach stays. He goes, I go.
True, but it usually boils down to the coach. If the coach is secure in his own skin and not afraid to push a star player, he can usually convince him playing defense is a good skill to have.
Good to read (enjoyed this) he's back at it and focused on finishing up his hs career strong - leading to an opportunity to play collegiate ball close to home.
I think it all depends on if and how many current players transfer after the season. If no one transfers and they offer a scholarship to Roderick, that only gives the Buckeyes one scholarship to use for the 2020 class. That is not ideal and Holtmann has preached quite a bit about class balance.
I do think they will have one or two transfers (my guesses would be Ledee and/or Jallow) though. That is just the nature of college basketball these days. If that happens, I'd love to see a local star get a chance.
I don't think Ladee leaves, but I could see Jallow, and or Ahrens transferring. I hate the thought, but that is the nature of the game these days...
That said, I hope the kid gets his offer...
16-2 is SWEET!
I think Ledee is the most likely candidate and I think Ahrens is in it for the long haul. But who knows, I don't think any fan had a hunch that Potter would transfer a few days before the season.
I agree, Ledee's at the back of the rotation even though he is the only frontcourt player besides Kaleb over 6'7 and he is far from home.
I thought Jallow was the most likely earlier this season but now that his role has expanded with Young out, maybe not.
Definitely think someone is leaving, but like you said, most of us wouldn't have predicted Potter to be THE guy who would leave before this season (especially after he spent the whole preseason here, lol).
the empire never ended
This is silly, Why would anyone transfer? LeDee has gotten his chance and is not ready yet, these kids all seem happy and look like they are progressing. My guess is no one transfers. Who do we have in 2020 that is hot on the radar? Take this kid and redshirt him let him work a year on the practice squad and get into the defensive rotation. He will be a 2020 guy then.
Why is it silly? Ledee and Jallow were getting minimal mins before Young's injury. Without factoring in Roderick, we are bringing in 3 Top 50 recruits and a transfer. Carton and Walker will likely get Jackson and Woods mins. And the SG mins will likely all go to Muhammad and Washington, with the possibility that Walker and Carton will be on the court together a little bit.
This is the list of players at SF/PF (or wing, however you want to name it): Andre Wesson, Kyle Young, Musa Jallow, Justin Ahrens, Jaedon Ledee, Alonzo Gaffney, and EJ Liddell.
Now a couple of those players will likely see some mins backing up Kaleb at the 5 (unless a grad transfer comes in). But that is 7 players competing for 2 starting spots and some back up center mins. And keep in mind Holtmann likes playing 3 guard lineups, limiting those wing mins even more.
Andre has started every game but 1 this year and Kyle was a 20 plus minute part time starter before his injury. I imagine those two are near locks to get decent mins.
Now you have 5 guys trying to get whatever mins remain. Who knows maybe one of the freshman comes in and blows everyone away or one of our current underclassmen really develops and steals a starting spot, but I would be shocked if Dre and Kyle get knocked out of the rotation altogether.
There are enough mins out there for 3-5 of those 7 players to get consistent playing time. But no more than that. 5 would even likely be a stretch as that would mean a 10 man rotation. My guess is Holtman will have a 8-9 man rotation next year, leaving room for 3-4 of those 7 guys to get consistent mins.
I think Ahrens stays. He has made comments about knowing he might not see many mins early in his career. He is an Ohio kid and his older brother has been patient at MSU, not really seeing consistent mins until his senior year. Andre and Kyle aren't likely going anywhere as they both have played plenty of mins consistently this year. Liddell and Gaffney will be true freshmen. So that leaves Jallow and Ledee. Maybe they both stay, but I would be surprised. They will both be facing uphill climbs to get mins and neither are Ohio kids.
'Take this kid and redshirt him let him work a year on the practice squad and get into the defensive rotation. He will be a 2020 guy then.'
Even if you redshirt him, he still takes up a scholarship. I don't know if we have anyone hot on the 2020 radar, but it is only February. It was looking shaky for the 2018 class and then all of a sudden in September we had 4 commits.
I am rooting for this kid, but I think Holtmann should wait to see what the scholarship situation is after the season.
Damn it, make it so! Even though it is purely conjecture I believe at least one of the scholarship players either coming in next year or one currently on scholarship will leave either to try the NBA or transfer so that will give Holtmann at least two to work with in 2020.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
I don't think that the chance of a player leaving early or transferring after next season helps Roderick's chances.
I don't think anyone in the 2019 class is a sure fire one and done. I would actually think it would be at least mildly surprising if any of those 3 are one and done. And I think it is too risky to assume someone on the current roster will transfer after next season (no one on our current roster looks even close to an early entry candidate).
So I think Holtmann waits to see what happens this Spring. If a player or two leaves, I could see Roderick getting an offer. If everyone stays put, I think he has to bank the scholly. Having one scholarship to offer next November is not a situation Holtmann wants to be in. Just my humble opinion.
good luck to him,hope he gets his wish.
Hope the kid gets his chance. Holtmann has an eye for talent and these homegrown kids always seem to become studs that abuse us whenever they gonout-of-state or at other B1G schools, even if they aren't consensus 5* prospects.
One scholly for 2020 would be a bitch though, especially when the competition for Zach Loveday is heating up.
I'm about 95% certain that we will have more than one scholarship available for 2020, even if we take Roderick. Honestly, I'd be surprised if we don't end up with 3 openings.
The big question for the staff is are they confident enough in their 2020 recruiting that they think they will get several guys they like considerable better than Roderick? Given our current season, I'm not sure we will have the same cache/momentum with the 2020 class that we had with the 2019 guys. Loveday's wide open and the staff hasn't tried to lock down Penn yet, and right now that's the only two in-state prospects available that we might want. So I think Roderick checks a lot of boxes, actually. If it seems like he should RS once he gets into the program, he effectively becomes a 2020 recruit but who has had time to get used to the system and get those practices in.
Another couple quotes from Ben that I didn't fit in to the story.
On Ryan Pedon: "I talk to him on a daily basis. He's a great guy. I think he runs the offense at Ohio State, and I love the way he's coaching and I love the style. They get the best out of their guys, and they play extremely hard. It's awesome to hear that."
On what he learned about Chris Holtmann by sitting behind the bench and watching the Ohio State game on his visit: "Coach Holtmann specifically, he gets everything out of his players. He gets them to play hard, buy into the system. That's kind of what we do here. We run a really basic offense, Princeton, but we back-cut, we do all this movement and stuff. And I really think me being able to run an offense and run through sets and play and all that really can translate in college."
Encouraging news Colin - thanks for the extra blurb.
Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!
It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
I love this story and I am rooting so hard for this kid.
He might not be an ideal athlete for this level but a lengthy 6'5-6'6 3-level scoring wing who works hard and loves OSU could be exactly what the doctor ordered for the future of this roster. I see him as an extremely complementary piece to the other guys in the 2019 class. The OCC is probably the best basketball division in the state and this kid is averaging 29.7 ppg and doing it efficiently enough to help his team win games? Are you kidding me?
I hope we offer.
Want to + Can do = good player
Hope he gets his offer to be a Buckeye
Our people are everywhere, Esto Dignus.
Asking for opinions: Is/was this kid good enough before the injury? It looks like he is putting up some obscene scoring numbers since retiring, but I know that doesn’t necessarily translate into success at a B1G level. I hope he makes it, but wondering if he is not quite there
He competes in one of the best high school conferences in Ohio. Averaging 30ppg. His defense is questionable, but that not an unusual attribute for highschool ball.
Offer the kid, I dont see any high recruits banging down OSU's door for this class or in 2020 anyway. 30 points per game, kid CAN score and we all know OSU needs that this year and into the future.
ACL injuries suck. I've been through one.. It was a partial tear, but it took 9 months of physical therapy to get back. Even then, you have to train the muscles around your knee constantly. I feel for the kid.
But Roderick seems to be a very smart and eloquent kid. The kind of kid Ohio State recruits. Just give him a chance..
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
I've watched Ben play, Defense seems to be something he looks like he is hesitant to play at times (most) I wonder if its him worrying about getting (re)injured. High school you can hide your lack of D at times, but Hes gotta get inside and pound a bit more. I know hes been to some games at the Schott cause I've saw him there, So I know hes seen how physical inside play is in the BIG. I hope we go after him, I'm tired of local guys going either Green or that shitty Maize and Blue and than lighting us up as a reminder what we could have had.
Sign the kid already! Grew up a Buckeye, scores 30, game. Athletic and can shoot.
Holtmann is determined to not recruit in the state of Ohio.
Zero Ohio kids committed in the 2019 class, and one in the 2020. We have talent in our background, get off your ass and get it Holtmann! Meanwhile, Michigan State continues to raid Ohio and take the best. Unbelievable.
You are a complete clown. Holtmann has signed one of the best classes we have seen here in years. If you followed bball recruiting at all you would know that Alonzo Gaffney is an Ohio kid who just transferred for his Sr year. if you followed basketball even a little, you would know that no one is committed in 2020.
Saw him as a FR and SO. NICE player. Can dribble and has range. Has length.
I'd say getting a grad transfer or JUCO big should be the #1 priority for the open scholly from Potter's departure.
Ben Roderick just had 26 points tonight and 12 rebounds. I wonder if OSU has noticed, this kid is dying to play for OSU!! I dont believe in just handing out offers, but this kid is a BALLER!!! WTF is the holdup OSU?