What to Expect Next Season and Beyond from 13 Ohio State Freshmen Who Redshirted

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bakerjon's picture

Go Get Some young Bucks!

Boy, I got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals! - Butch Cassidy

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Hovenaut's picture

Great rundown, fair takes on each player and the scenario with their respective path to PT.

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kmp10's picture

Wow, rapid fire content from Eleven Warriors today. Very nice... and thanks much. Tyreke Johnson and Jaelen Gill were the guys I was very excited about coming in last year. New staff, new slates, time to shine.

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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Silver Sniper's picture

Yes, this was written as though the Meyer methodology for holding out young guys and not giving them chances to actually show what they can do on the field, let alone start, will continue. I hope it does not but that Day opens each season with a clean slate and allows the best players to start. If someone overtakes another mid-year, let that player start (Brendon White). 

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brutusbro's picture

Stay positive and keep grinding babb, your time will come. That goes for all these young bucks!

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tcm1968's picture

Going to be interesting to see how Coach Day handles the 4 game thing. I get the injury thing but outside of that just seems foolish not to have Freshman play 4 games. When I heard Urban say "he dropped the ball on some things" this sure feels like one of them. There's a chance Jones could be our starting center this year and you couldn't find a few snaps for him when we were up 40+ on Rutgers, Tulane and Oregon State? and there were other games we had put away late as well.. just seems sort of reckless not to get Freshman snaps..

Go Bucks!

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IGotAWoody's picture

I get the injury thing

You answered your own question on this one. In addition to injuries, the coaches make decisions on playing time with an eye on furthering their development - but they won't play a player before they're ready to handle it. Even in a blowout, a player may not be physically or mentally ready for live reps.

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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Netbuck's picture

I admire Larry Johnson's approach to this. He thinks putting a player in a situation they arent ready for or where they can badly fail will actually set them back in their development. This why he so carefully manages not only when his players are ready to play but also the specific game situations they get in for (down, distance, field position, etc.). The result is that everytime a DL gets on the field he knows he is ready and can handle it. Cant argue with success.

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IGotAWoody's picture

Exactly.

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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Spivan's picture

Babb is so talented, he blocked a punt in a game he didn't even play in!

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buckzilla1's picture

I love the Hookers. Both of them take a little time to get it straight but the youngest Hooker may have learned from the older one how to apply your heart to the trade and may suprise some people with the effort.

You never lose to those pricks. Ever. Ever. Urban Frank Meyer

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BuckminsterFullback's picture

Phrasing!

Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.

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IGotAWoody's picture

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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Netbuck's picture

+1s all around for Archer references.

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

Hugh Freeze sends you a +1.

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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Trebor40's picture

Impressively done between content and context :)

I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Be patient and keep developing, young men. Your time may be now or in the future, but prepare with excellence.

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krakatoa64's picture

If NPF "isnt ready" by his second season, then it's time to fire stud into the sun. He was a top 10 player in the country. He should be ready to play by atleast by his second year

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swainpm's picture

Criticism on NPF was he was too small/underdeveloped muscularly as a freshman. After last season with Mick he should compete but hopefully Alabi who has been in the program much longer is better prepared. Its a problem when freshman OL come in and start right away...shows a lack of coaching IMO.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

So. Much. Friggin. Talent.

Seriously, all these guys are just money in the bank. Can't wait to see them compete for legit playing time.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Don't see McCall as Dobbins' primary backup. RunDMC isnt built to get 25 carries between the tackles like Weber did, he's an outside guy. Teague or Crowley will be the guy who backs up Dobbins the most. Teague should have a leg up having been in the program a full year now.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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Major H's picture

Check out those guns on MT! Ball security should not be an issue for him.

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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NuttyBuckeye's picture

I agree, Scarlet.  Run DMC just isn't big enough for the pounding in the trenches.  He's our scat-back and getting him the ball in space is where he excels.

What's round on the ends and high in the middle? Tell me if you know!

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Double OH Seven's picture

I don't anticipate 25 carries for JK's backup this year. I see him getting closer to the Zeke role than the RB by committee the past 2 seasons w/ JK getting 20-25 carries and whoever the backup is, I say Demario, getting 5-7.

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Silver Sniper's picture

I have not been very impressed with Dobbins. He goes down easy, dances behind the line, and he doesn’t have an extra gear. Barring him suddenly turning it up several notches, I would like to see Teague make strides to surpass Dobbins and become the primary. 

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HotSauceCommittee's picture

I don’t think Dobbin’s dances behind the line. I think 11W posted a stat that Dobbins only got tackled behind the line of scrimmage once all season. It was in an offensive line article after the Rose Bowl. 

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Silver Sniper's picture

Well, dancing behind the line and getting tackled behind the line aren’t the same thing. Either way, he gets caught from behind, has only average 4.5 yards per carry, which is low for a college RB at a top program, and has not struck fear in the hearts of opponents. My point remains, I would like to see what Teague can do and potentially move past him if Dobbins does not step up his game. You can blame the line but both Weber and Teague had significantly higher averages.

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CTownBucknut's picture

He definitely took a big step back from his first year, when he averaged over 7 YPC.  I'm not sure how much of that was Dobbins regressing, versus OL, scheme, lack of a running QB, etc.  But overall Sniper, I agree.  He can look really flashy on certain runs, but too often, he doesn't just pound out the tough yards that are there.  I do expect a season closer to his Freshman year this year, but time will tell.  

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Silver Sniper's picture

Good points, Ctown. And I am rooting hard for Dobbins! I thought he was going to be a future Heisman winner after his Freshman year. And I really hope he goes nuts next year. I just have this feeling based on what we saw in 2018 that there will be folks calling for the next guy up if he doesn’t start to improve. And to me, having Weber take a load off of him should have made him stronger when he DID come in.

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Ohbucksclan20's picture

Couple things one I expect Alex Williams to eventually move to offensive tackle and the second is I believe chambers will be teagues main competition at running back not Crowley even though I believe Crowley will get a lot of snaps and a lot of playing time this year, especially with Sinead gone. I just believe chambers is a more complete back and will be ready earlier even though Crowley is already enrolled. One final thing, my breakout player from this list is kamyrn babb. If he can stay healthy he will be a favorite target for whoever the qb is.

Go Bucks!

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aerobuck's picture

Like the article.

I have hoped that Alex W.  could grow into a OT.  If he has the footwork to be a DE, maybe that could translate to pass blocking.  At 6'-7"  he may have long arms as well... don't know.

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Txsbuckeye's picture

Petit-Frere and Jean-Baptiste need to work together to add good weight to their somewhat lanky frames. May want to invite Gill sometimes too

#TheBuckeyesAgainstTheWorld

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NOBLUE's picture

none of these O lineman can do worse than # 59 i wonder is it legal to play in a game with the boxing gloves they practice with in order to learn how not to hold ??

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NuttyBuckeye's picture

Sevyn got some air time and I really love this young man's frame.  He's a large man (for a corner) with a long frame and I predict he will play in the NFL.  He's my "diamond in the rough".

What's round on the ends and high in the middle? Tell me if you know!

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Silver Sniper's picture

Nutty, that’s not going very far out on a limb, he came in highly touted. I think most have expected him to make an impact and eventually play in the NFL

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shawn kemps kids's picture

that’s not going very far out on a limb, he came in highly touted. I think most have expected him to make an impact and eventually play in the NFL

He was the 221st ranked player, 23rd ranked CB in his class. 

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Silver Sniper's picture

Exactly, a top 250 recruit with four stars. Thanks for the stats to back me up, Shawn. I appreciate the assist. 

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cdub4's picture

You know what he is trying to say. He was not a top 100 recruit. It's all relative. He was one of the lower ranked players in his class for OSU.

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NuttyBuckeye's picture

Thank you, Cdub!  Exactly what I meant.  He will be drafted higher than many of those ranked ahead of him, I firmly believe.  Just goes to show that rankings can be way off.

What's round on the ends and high in the middle? Tell me if you know!

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Silver Sniper's picture

Well ok I’m with you on that. I didn’t honestly realize that there were so many CBs graded ahead of him. Good call, Nutty. He already has a TD vs TUN too!

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Rogabone's picture

I like this take.

"Who is that madman?" the new arrival asked St. Peter.

"That's God," St. Peter replied. "But he thinks he's Woody Hayes."

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EMoThaGr8's picture

I'm sure it's been asked before, but where did the term "redshirt" originate from?

The Buckeye behind enemy lines...

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Colortv1967's picture

I think it came from redshirts that were worn in practice by those players that would not be playing in games during the season years ago.

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HENRYJONESJR's picture

The origin of the term redshirt was likely from Warren Alfson of the University of Nebraska who, in 1937, asked to practice but not play and wore a Nebraska red shirt without a number. The term is used as a verb, noun, and adjective. For example, a coach may choose to redshirt a player who is then referred to as a redshirt, and a redshirt freshman refers to an athlete in the first year of participation, after a redshirt non-participatory year.  - THANKS GOOGLE

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

I think Wade ends up as CB #2 at some and probably jumps to the NFL along with Okudah after this year.

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

QB MATTHEW BALDWIN

2018 in review: After suffering a torn ACL on his first play of his high-school state championship game, Baldwin . . . 

Actually, Baldwin tore his ACL in his state semifinal game. He tried to tough it out in the championship game, but the knee gave out on him on the first play of the game. 

P.s., L’Christian “Blue” Smith is a dude. Earlier this month, Dayton sports media asked Smith why he got off to a slow start as a frosh and Blue did not make any excuses or point fingers:

“I really struggled during the summer. I really wasn’t conditioned, and then going into (preseason) camp, I really didn’t know my plays and I was just messing up a lot.” 

Training camp was tough for the 6-foot-4, 207-pound freshman, but he credited receivers coach Brian Hartline with helping him push through it. 

“I really dug down and started grinding more, getting into my playbook more, spending more time with Coach Hartline, so I think that towards the beginning of the season I got going,” Smith said. “That’s probably when it clicked.” 

I predict big things for Smith.

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LawClub's picture

Thanks for that  Fido.  Good to hear about him owning it.

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NOBLUE's picture

i also expect someone to change their nick name from "blue " to "scarlett"  ...we don't need no blue around these parts

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Dillon G's picture

Welcome to the gun show.

#walkaway

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CorchUrb's picture

I still think back and remember how many times Tuf Borland just totally whiffed on making a tackle. Or was there but just didn’t have the speed to get to the guy. At times he probably looked like the worst MLB I’ve ever seen in my lifetime at OSU. But with the way Urban was so high on him there’s no way that’s true. I think that Achilles injury really must’ve slowed him down. At least I hope that was the case. I hope he can bounce back from an awful year. If not, it’s time for someone else to step up. Guys like Browning, Mitchell, and Pope need to step up. We won’t win a National title with piss poor Linebacker play like we’ve had. One could argue that’s the reason we weren’t in the playoffs the last two seasons. I hope that changes with Washington coaching them. 

I think Pete Werner can still be a good player here. But the dude needs to hit the weight room and training table hard right now. Too many times he wouldn’t be able to get off of blocks. Still wouldn’t shock me if a guy like Dallas Gant starts over him this year

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ScarletNerd's picture

Master Teague is my favorite of this crew.  I'm excited to see most of the other's play as well, but MT has character, work ethic and the underdog scrapper mentality that makes Zeke so great.  Not sure he has the foot speed Zeke has, so he plays the game a bit different, however I'd place him as a more athletic Carlos Hyde.  (No offense Mr. Hyde.  You are still among the greats at ToteU and yes, I did see that spin move last year.)

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Trebor40's picture

I also think of Hyde when I see Teague and believe that given the opportunity Master Teague will bring an excellent between the tackles style to compliment Dobbins! I see Teague getting many carries IF Fields does NOT gain the right to play immediately. Teague is perfect for the split carries load with Baldwin at QB while Dobbins getting 20 carries and every body not named Fields getting 10 is more likely if Fields is our QB!

I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk

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