ST. JOHNS ARENA. Do it administration.
Yeah, the schott isn’t a basketball arena. It’s just a building they happen to play basketball at.
This crowd is a wine and cheese Grey Poupon crowd and the red jackets are the crypt keepers for the Schottenstein morgue or the Schottenstein funeral home. Maybe they get confused with Schoedinger funeral home instead of an actual basketball arena.
I’m sorry but saying it is because it is a wine and cheese grey poupon crowd is fucking stupid.
It has nothing to do with it. Seems like the place was pretty jacked early in Thad era
I Hate Michigan.
But even when packed it’s lifeless.
Was a terrible decision.
should have modernized St John or made a tighter building line in Oregon.
Yup, during the MSU game-I think-Jimmy Jackson was like "Bring back St. John Arena, the place is classic!!!"
If this is in fact the answer then we need to make our voices heard
whats a michigan?
It won’t happen. Too much money invested in the concert venue they call a home court.
It may be louder at St John, but that doesn’t excuse not cheering at all.
EXACTLY! There were 2 guys sitting in front of me (row p section 106, right behind the student section) and they didnt look off their phones the entire time. Like dude just get a nosebleed seat if youre gonna be this lame!
Why the hell would they even go to the game?
You know this because you were watching them on their phones the whole game? Why didn't you just enjoy the game? I bet they were watching the game on their phones, so in reality they saw more of the game than you did. Pity.
I was wondering the same thing. He drove all that way only to worry more about what others were doing or not doing than the game. What a burden that must be. I doubt the ticket said they was supposed to do what others want when attending. Because he drove so long to the game others should praise him and do as he wants. Sounds like someone is butthurt because of the skid and needs someone to blame. It's a football school and have only won one basketball NC back in 60 and until they are a threat for one most years, things won't change. Until then someone give him a hug. At least it's better than lacrosse where the crowd is family and friends.
You guys are horrible. Go tweet something hateful to someone.
First of all, I don't tweet. Second the guy opened himself up by criticizing people who are spending the money and contributing their time to go to an OSU game. Just because they don't act like he wants then too they are a subject of being inadequate. I'm defending against a hater.
Oh please,he made an observation about two people who never got off their phones the entire game.Yes, maybe they were just watchng the games but in all likelihood they were just substituting their phone for needlepoint. Most who have said they were at the game(and their has been other commentors who have said the same thing, said the crowd was zombie level at best. And his observations cannot be construed for hating. You and one other commentor just took an opportunity to be show some wit and shade at his observations and opinions. Sheesh, find an open game thread somewhere.
So what if the were on their phones. They paid for their tickets. There is no rule written or unwritten that they have to act like others think they do. Were you there to show support? Find your own open thread.
lol, you actually think the basketball crowds are good crowds? You hear more noise from crowds at musicals. I go to a number of games and its embarrassing. The OSU wrestling meets they have there bring better crowds ×10.
Do you feel better about yourself now? Lol its not that hard to notice the people sitting directly in front of you using social media for the entire game. You can see it in the corner of your eye the ENTIRE time. So no, i wasnt continuously looking at the back of two bald heads in front of me. Its also kind of weird when you're not sure if you're in the background of all 850 selfies they took throughout the game. Eat a snickers
Sooo... When's the spring game?
**St. John Arena**
But I agree with your sentiment... what a waste.
When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's
Because we are a football school.
To be honest our home crowd kind of sucks at Football in comparison to other relevant programs as well.
Our home crowd does not suck at football games. It helps because we usually have a very good team. College basketball was ruined by the one and done concept. Football would be the same with the same concept. We are not a basketball school, but we should be able to be. Maybe next years class will be better. They will represent us for one year, so don‘t miss it.
Football home crowd sucks as well. I've been to SEC football games and they are louder than the Shoe. This is basketball and the Schott is a morgue!
Thank you!!! I’ve been saying our home crowd sucks for years now and I get ripped a new one every time. The quietest 106,000 people in the world. Hey a spade is a spade. We aren’t even close to the SEC noise. Why do people get mad at this?
Our fans have become spoiled. The shoe only gets loud for the really big games now.
I went to the Maryland v Wisconsin game recently and was blown away by the noise, the place wasn't even close to sold out. It really is the Schott is a bad place for an intimidating home court.
Isnt wisconsins stadium very similar to the schott though? Or was the game @ maryland i already forget lol
It was at Maryland, don't know about Wisconsin's arena.
Wisconsin’s is similar in concept but the sight lines are 100x better at the Kohl Center.
I 100% agree with you! Our fans are pathetic. Don’t blame the arena, blame the fans! Get off of your asses and help the team win! It was unreal to see fans still on their asses after the run we went on to start the second half! Pathetic! We need real fans going to the games and changing this! I’m sick of it!
Have you seen a Nebraska home game? They play in a huge pro style arena and it’s one of the best atmospheres in the country because their fans make it that way. Stop blaming the Schott and blame the fans for not doing their part!
Exactly!!!! Just curious, are you a current student? Ill be transferring to osu next year from community college and ill be doing everything i can to try and change the culture of the "nuthouse"
Cater to the wine and cheese crowd, and this is the result. They built the whole thing around the box seat crowd. They are currently ruining The ‘Shoe, as well. The ONLY reason MOST ‘fans’ are attending, is so they can post ‘look where I am’ pics on Facebook. Society as a whole......not enough hugs as a child.
Agree man. "Look where I'm at pics" well put.
I'm buddies with a guy who works for OSU. Went o a few hoops games with him. Knows enough people to get us past the crypt keepers as someone put it above, to hang in the Huntington level. You're completely right that the whole arena is built around that level, crowd, experience, and cater-to-me-you're-welcome-I'm-here crowd.
We didn't stay. Infact, the atmosphere was so bad in the arena we actually bounced around from there, to the bar on the floor level to the soundroom up top and suggested songs to the guy in charge to wake the crowd up. No shit. We didn't sit in our seats once. They lost.
Unless it's a highly ranked, high profile opponent and the game is important that place is a morgue.
I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.
I Believe In Ohio State.
The Nebraska home arena is closer in size to SJA than The Schott.
I play, coach stays. He goes, I go.
Maybe a competent basketball team might get the crowd on their feet.
Dont be a prick. You just told everyone what kind of fan you are. A fairweather fan. Congrats buddy. A true fan rallies behind his team win or lose and helps pick his team up when they need you most. But go ahead, shit on your own favorite team. Cool guy
The crowd atmosphere sucked last year too, for a team that was one epic NW choke-job away from winning the league.
We were 13th in the nation, and the building wasn’t full. Football and basketball crowds both SUCK.
Football games generally arent much louder. Aside from marquee match ups or against scum, its a boring atmosphere
Frustrating because we can be so much better. I dont doubt that we are the best damn fans in the land and have the most passion of any fanbase, but when it comes to actually showing our pride during games it's lackluster.
Hey urban dynasty prick, i said maybe. Look the fucking word up dynasty prick.
If you think we need a competent basketball team for the fans to be loud and rowdy you're a fucking dork, no offense.
I think the finger points back to Block O. If you want a raucous home atmosphere it starts with the student section and Block O is the biggest cult of dorks that go to OSU. It really sucks.
I was at the Michigan State game last year and it was rocking. It's not the venue. It's the opponent and the play of the team on the court. MSU was #1 at the time so I'm sure that helped.
They're in the entertainment business, and the team has had few entertaining moments in recent years.
Posts after a loss that complain about the crowd (we always see them after football home losses too) are a way of deflecting anger, so you don't have to criticize the people you really want to criticize.
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
Also, I don't downvote for much, but I make an exception for personal attacks.
I’ve said this on multiple posts but the casual OSU football and basketball fan can not get in anymore. The average ACT score was 31 or 32 this year. I know this might be some fans, but the majority of FANS aren’t qualifying to get in. Students are getting in Block O as a resume stuffer, not because they want to lead the student section
Keep Calm and Buckeye On
And a lot of that is coming from Ohio State openly catering to wealthy foreign students, e.g. wealthy Chinese kids. That's fine if you want to do it, but they don't give a damn about OSU football or basketball. they're coming here so they can go home and their families can brag that their kids were "educated in America" (our university system is very admired worldwide).
Been like this really since the place opened. Do yourself a favor and become a hockey fan. OSU hockey = 5-10$ for lower glass seats. Blue jackets = drink and cheer loud around people that actually care about the game. I can't think of a more pathetic venue for college basketball than the schot.
So the team is starting to be who most experts thought they would be pre season and the fans who got fooled by their start to the season are now upset because teams better than them are beating them. This is not a Holtmann issue this year, it is a talent issue. Young is great around the rim cleaning things up but my guess is there is a reason you do not see him shoot anything more than two feet from the basket and at 6'8" he needs more game than that to be effective. We are now seeing why Woods was coming off the bench at a mediocre Wake Forest. We are also being reminded why Tate was at point so much last year when CJ was an option. Andre Wesson is Andre Wesson. Has not changed since he started with the program and won't. Kaleb is not Sullinger folks. If he is not double teamed he is a pretty good player and watch him, he works really hard to try and make himself available for passes inside but teams know that outside of Washington no one is a consistent outside threat to make them pay for the double teams.
Holtmann has more than earned the right for us to be patient. He did with that team last year what Matta could not. Judge Holtmann not after next year but after two years. This is a young team, let's see how things go with the recruits next year and the year after.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
Again I forget, is water wet?
The place is louder than the old place when there is something to cheer about, there's been games you couldn't hear yourself think. It's no different than the shoe, when there's a team or game that's important people cheer. But osu is not a bb school, and that's not going to change. H. will give 'em something to cheer about, as early as next year. It'll get loud if it's a rival, whoever that is, or a highly ranked team, or a championship game. Other than that get out your sudoku puzzle book, or your phone, or just talk to the person next to you. Isn't it nice to be able to talk to your friend at a sporting event? And not have to raise your voice? lol
Schott is not loud compared to St. John's Arena! I used to go to the games when they played Indiana under Knight back in the 90s and the sound echoes at the St. John's and the floor and the seats vibrated! St. John's was a basketball arena and the Schott is the house that Yanni built. I'm sure the Schott is a great place to watch Cirque du Soleil between January 23 to January 27th but a basketball arena it is not!
I was at the Villanova at Butler game this week. 9k ppl had the bleachers shaking from the noise.
9k ppl screaming at the Schott would still allow you to easily talk to the person next to you in a normal voice.
The Schott is an awful place to watch basketball and between the layout, ushers, and corny promotions is a pretty poor basketball environment. I love OSU b-ball but I’ve all but conceded to attending just away games at better venues like Breslin, Mackey, Assembly Hall in Bloomington, and even Crisler. The game at St John was against Cleveland freaking State and the place was louder than most conference games at the Schott.
Product on the court right now just not good. That improves so will the atmosphere.
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
Been a while since I've been there, but I understand its a bit of a "wine and cheese" crowd now.
Until the basketball team starts to play better than the crowd or atmosphere won't be up to the standard of many of us. As hard as it is for some of you to hear but coach Matta didn't do coach Holtman any favors when he left and we are starting to see that this year.
The players that committed then left did not help either. Yes, Matta was partly to blame for those departures but they still made the choice to leave when Matta left. Not Matta's fault they made those decisions nor Holtmann's.
You really don't think it was Thad's fault those players all left? Who recruited those players?
College basketball in general has become less and less exciting until March. The rankings throughout the year mean very little and the top teams are always the same. Duke, UNC, VA, UK, KU, etc....per OSU they haven’t had a ton of high end players that make me want to watch every game. When Russell, Oden, Conley,etc are playing it’s fun to tune in. Outside of top talent like that, I’ll wait and see where they stack up come March Madness. Just my 2 cents
The greedy administration chases money money money and have ruined home sporting events.
This is true. Like it or not, "sports marketing' at pro and big time college programs isn't about creating raucous atmospheres and sellouts in bandboxes. $$$$ is silent.
Gene should do something similar to what the Tampa Bay Rays are doing; reduce the seating capacity in the upper bowl.
The only hard day was yesterday
$5.00 for a hot dog, and $8.00 for a coney dog ($3.00 worth of shitty canned sauce)?
Eat before you go in, problem solved.
Yep, they should just stop selling food.
through out the years,have not heard to many good things said about the schott,does not seem like it never got the reputation for being a college atmosphere sports venue it seems.
It's the same at the Shoe for 90% of games as well. Ohio State is no longer a school that deems it important to have a great home field advantage by volume of the crowd, at least judging by their actions.
They care about money and that results in the best seats in either stadium/arena being sold to wealthy donors and folks who buy tickets as a status symbol, while the student sections are small and/or tucked far away from the playing field.
At least the Shoe can get loud for big games sometimes, but on a normal Saturday against a meh team, it might as well be practice.
To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.
I would love to see the books on the arena, I would venture to guess that a concert is more profitable for the arena than a basketball game when everything is taken into consideration, percentage of ticket revenue to the arena, concessions, parking and other income sources.
An arena remodel for basketball while taking out seating capacity is doubtful.
On a somewhat related note: I was at Madison Square Garden for the NIT title game against UMass in 2008 (a year after the run to the NCAA finals). The crowd at the Garden was in the 8-9000 range—less than half capacity. I realize it was the NIT but that still surprised me considering all the alums in the NY metro area. (By way of contrast, I was at the Kickoff Classic at Giants Stadium in 1995 and that drew a huge crowd.)
My recollection though is that the fans who were there at the NIT were into the game and getting loud, especially as it was a tight game down the stretch. And there were some quality players on that team.
PS—the previous time I had seen UMass at the NIT was when Julius Erving played there closed to 40 years earlier. Unfortunately, he got into foul trouble, which seriously limited his playing time. Talk about disappointments...
Many of the negative responses are very true and even football is a wine and cheese party many times. What bothers me most about the football crowd is when the team is having some bad moments the boo birds appear. When a team is down is the time to jack them up and show your support. Basketball team has no real star I feel that runs the show and until that happens I think the crowd is not interested but that still is not a excuse. Maybe folks should stay home and place standees in the seats with fake noise piped in?
What is the normal causation?
An uninspiring performance causes audience to react uninspired.
An uninspired audience causes performance to be substandard.
Obviously the second. But your question (which turns the intensity of the other) is based on a premise that the impacted of the two has a baseline to influence. OP is asking for a better baseline.
New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.
While I think it's earned it's nickname the "morgue" I think the bigger problem isn't the fans as much as where they have people sitting. Duke gets CRAZY loud but a good chunk of that is because they wisely put the students on top of the court. Once you get past that first 15 or so rows of students it starts to look like a lot of other arenas.. for sure though those above the students feed off that but there's people sitting in those sections just like Ohio State... you just never see them on TV..
Ohio State chased money. What you see for way too many seats near the court are a LOT of corporate seats that a lot of times end up in the hands of clients from out of town who have no rooting interest in the game. How loud are you going to cheer if you are in Charlotte for business and a company gives you seats to the Hornets game..
Making things worse are a lot of the corporate seats go unused. Probably a half dozen times a year... easy... you go on ticketmaster and the lower bowl is sold out and then you flip on the game and there are empty lower bowl seats everywhere....
I still think the fix is to just tarp the upper deck.. make it lower bowl only.... every game sells out... and then rebuild at some point on St John spot... kids were lazy when I was at OSU in the 90s and it's worse now.. the closer you can have the arena to campus the better...
All of this too. Make the first rows fans only. No corporate giveaways until you get to row 10 or so.
Tcm - I sat in the upper bowl last Friday and I had to legitimately work to keep myself focused on the game. I absolutely love the game of basketball and I certainly love the Buckeyes.. but it is dark up there and you feel like you're a mile away from anything that's going on. It was also frustrating to see so many open seats in the lower bowl and look around and see some of the sections in the upper bowl were more filled up than the sections down below.
One fan near us made the comment that it might serve them well to sell seats as first-come first-serve for some of the areas, that way fans get closer to the action and you ramp up the excitement, instead of having half your fans be so far away they aren't involved in the noise.
I was in the same area on Friday night. The upper bowl experience sucks.
I guess you get what you pay for because it is relatively cheap. But it is hard to be motivated to make noise up there because you are so far away and feel like there is no way anyone but the people in your particular section can hear you. You almost feel silly making a lot of noise, which is a terrible way to feel at a college basketball game.
My real gripe is that we bought the season ticket package at the beginning of the year that doesn't guarantee the same spot, just x amount of games in the lower bowl and x amount in the upper bowl. I've only made it two games due to coaching a junior high team (Lord help us all, btw), but my husband goes to a lot of the games and usually takes a friend. Unfortunately, they don't tell you where your seats are or give you access to your tickets until 24 hours in advance, making it really difficult to try to sell/give away when we can't make it or plan ahead to make sure to go when we have good seats. I think he's made it once when we had lower bowl seats and the other two times we have had other plans and had no way of selling or giving them away on such a short turn around. Then they don't understand why there are empty seats sometimes... bad strategy in my opinion.
Did you do the Scarlet and Gray package? I don't think a regular season ticket package works that way.
Just a guess, but I imagine the season ticket holders have the same seats for every game, or at least a vast majority. I got the 4 game package and was able to pick my seats for each based on availability and price. They sent the physical tickets a couple weeks before the season started.
Yeah that package costs like $100. It's basically a ticket to every game but you won't be getting the best seats
bsk/bucknut: yes, the S&G package, couldn't remember the name of it. It is a cheaper version, but I still think it would make sense to give out info on the tickets a few days or a week in advance. We knew going in that we wouldn't have great seats for many games, but that's what makes it even more frustrating when we don't know more than 24 hours in advance if this will be the time we get good ones.
You’re guaranteed 4 games in the lower bowl.
Yeah, but it is $99 for a season ticket, correct? For the 4 game package, my two A choices (Cleveland State- good seats at SJA, lower bowl seats-High Point) my two B choices (upper bowl/close to midcourt for Maryland and Wisky) were about $250 total for 2 tickets to each game.
So my tickets were about $30, but I knew and actually dictated what seats I wanted based on availability and price and also physically had them before the season.
But if I was paying approximately $5 a ticket, I could understand not having those perks.
The arena sucks and fans and students just dont seem to care any more. I know the team is not very good but basketball in Columbus seems to be an afterthought, Reality is fans are better in Dayton, Cinci and Xavier.
What was even more obvious the fans at the Rutgers game last night when they beat Nebraska was better and louder than any OSU crowd all year.
Maybe im just getting old but when I was a student and in Block-O a bunch of people would get their faces painted, they would talk about cheers we would do, give us a game day brochure about which players were talking trash and how to get them rattled, song requests during timeouts, fan contest for who is the loudest, etc.
Now what I am seeing is that its the STUDENTS to blame for this terrible atmosphere. They aren't into it at all and its contagious. If the students are rowdy and into it being loud you will see more of the crowd get into it. Its contagious I mean watch a Duke game or one of the blue bloods and watch how the crowd responds to the student sections intensity. When the students aren't into it then the rest of the fans check out. Block-O is the pulse of the crowd and sadly its failing. I would not pin this on the older fans nor the wine and cheese crowd
Hoops at tOSU doesn't have the campus cultural cachet at tOSU that it does at Duke. Duke is a private rich kid school w/ a bandbox arena-the students know it is "expected' of them to make stupid signs and act like nuts for hoops games. They have to have a lottery for tickets to a Tuesday night game against Georgia Tech or FSU. Unlike Columbus/Ohio, locals aren't into Duke hoops-they root for UNC or NC State-it's the students or nothing. The tOSU hoops fanbase is much more locally driven as opposed to student driven.
Probably full of people who think the kickoff should be banned