okay watching these highlights he's not bad, like definitely better than bauserman, but he's not osu starting qb level
What about Todd Boeckman? OMG, another nightmare... So who would you pick at QB, Bauserman, Boeckman or Chuganov, that's a painful decision? I'd go with Chuganov because we know the other two completely sucked.
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Boeckman wasn't even that bad from what I recall.
He wasn't. In fact in 2008 Pryor was a downgrade from him as a starter in a lot of ways because he was so horrible at throwing the ball. Behind a good offensive line Boeckman was a good QB who could pick apart defenses at will. The problem was losing Kirk Barton (the leader on our O-line in 2007) badly hurt our offensive line in 2008 so Tressel elected to go with the more mobile Pryor instead. In regards to the Chugunov comparisons one of the knocks against Chugs I've heard is his arm strength. Boeckman OTOH had great arm strength and threw the deep ball very well when he had time.
In 2007, Todd passed for 2,375 yards and 25 touchdowns and was named first team Big Ten. He also led the Buckeyes to the BCS National Championship Game on January 7, 2008. Have no idea why you would consider that nightmarish or why you think he "completely sucked".
Probably because he was completely outmatched in a title game he should have never been in.
You mean a title game where we abandoned the run in the 2nd half?
I don’t know if we abandoned it as much as Bo took it away. Beanie had something like 128 yards with 12 minutes to play in the 2nd quarter, and Bo made the defensive adjustments to stop the run and dare Boeckman and our receivers to beat them. They couldn’t. Boeckman was fine, but we were entering into an era of OSU offense where the playmakers had to make phenomenal individual efforts outside of the playcalls. We didn’t have the athletes to compete at this level.
As Pete Carroll said when they played OSU the following year, none of our receiving route trees ever changed, so their defenders knew where our receivers were headed as well as they did. That was the game where Tressel faced so much backlash over the failed Bollman experiment that he had to come out the following week and actually make the statement “if someone wants to come in and tell me how I need to run my football program, then that’s the cue that I no longer need to be here.”
And Boeckman wasn’t accurate enough to thread a needle. Fast forward four years, and Urban called Luke’s first game against Akron, which we won 42-0 IIRC, and all Urban could say was “I don’t see any playmakers anywhere on the field. There’s only one on the team, that’s Braxton Miller, and he is on the bench.”
we love our Buckeyes so much that at times, we can’t see them for what they really are.
Todd B's career can really be broken into 2 segments
His first 10 games where he went 10-0 completed 65.8% of his passes for 8.3 YPA and had 23 TDs vs 8 INTs for a Pass Eff rating of 160.88
But in the last 3 games that year and in the first 3 the next year he would go 3-3 as a starter, completed just 61.7% of his passes for 6.2 YPA, and had 4 TDs vs 8 INTs for a QB rating of just 111.7,,, IE teams figured him out,
His statue like presence in the pocket became a problem too as he was sacked 14 times in those last 5.5 games and fumbled 6 times losing 2 of them
He became a liability and had to be benched
He would rarely play again other than in his last bowl game, but would complete just 13 of his last 27 atts for sub 50%, have 3 tds vs 0 INTs mostly in mop up duty and only 239 yards.
In those two segments you point out, I think LSU in the title game and USC the next year were a lot better than any of the first 10 (really weak Washington team was the OOC marque game the first year). Todd supposedly had small hands which didn't help in crappy weather in the TTUN game. Pretty good QB on a good team that had a lot of deficiencies get masked by a weak schedule.
Yeah but those 6 games, 3 at the end of 07 and the start of 08 also include Youngstown State a slightly better than average Illinois Team and an Ohio Bobcats team that would go 4-8
Sure he looked fine against badly over matched YSU, but against Illinois and Ohio U he went 29 of 49 for 226 yards, no TDs and 3 INTs, sacked 5 times for an 89.8 Passing Efficiency rating
Wedged between those was a woeful game against UM where he went 7 of 13 for 50 yards 0 TDS and 1 INT and 2 fumbles that were luckily not lost,, this was Beanie's big game against UM when Tressel took the ball out of Todd's hands and simply ran the ball 59 times and only let Todd attempt 2 passes the entire 2nd half.
That UM game was a 70.8 Pass Eff mark
The game against TTUN was cold and rainy. IL went to the Rose Bowl, so probably second best Big 10 team in a weak year for the conference (I agree with you they were not above average). I don't think Todd or OSU regressed those 6 games, I just think the competition was really weak the first 10 games, which helped hide Todd's lack of ability. OSU did a pretty good job of making the LSU game competitive. Early in the year I think LSU would have destroyed them. OSU also moved the ball well the first half against USC, but couldn't put it in the end zone. With an elite QB, OSU might have actually one those games.
That USC games was crazy bad for Todd though.
Here is a sequence of plays he was involved in from after the missed FG drive early to when he got benched for good
1-10 Incomplete - Pryor then runs for 11 so
1-10 - pick 6
next drive 2-10 - complete for minus 2
3-12 - complete for 16
1-10 - complete for 2 yards
2-8 - he gets sacked a losses a fumble
3-6 - sacked
1-10 - complete for 3 yards
after converting via the ground 2-10 Intentional grounding
3-25 - sacked
after sitting 1 drive now in the 4th quarter
1-10 - intercepted
Pryor would finish the game from there and Todd rarely played after
Quick summary of those events in that game:
12 snaps in which the ball was in his hands
7 - Pass atts of which 4 were completed for only 19 yards or 2.7 YPA
2 - INTs - one was a pick 6
3 - Sacks for minus minus 15 yards
1 - Intentional grounding - effectively a 4th sack for minus 15 yards
1 - lost fumble
His net total O in those 12 snaps was minus 11 yards with 3 TO's one of which was a direct 7 points for the other team, that's a 22.8 Passer Eff Rating
I will also take a little exception to classifying the earlier schedule in 2007 as weak as he played 3 games against teams that were ranked at the time,, Purdue was 20th, PSU 25th and Wisky 19th
And Illinois going to the Rose that year was a fluke as OSU won the conference and went to MNCG, and UM who tied in the standings with Illinois had beaten them head up but Illinois got the Rose bid as UM lost their last 2 conference games
UM would go off an beat Urban Meyer in the Citrus bowl while Illinois would lose the Rose to USC by 32 points
Dude, you are making me look stuff up, lol. Wisconsin did finish 24th, PSU and Purdue were unranked at the end of the year. I don't know if they were overrated early or just had injuries. Illinois did beat Wisconsin and PSU and finished 20th with TTUN at 18. A big problem with the schedule was Washington was 4-9. Agreed Todd looked really bad against USC.
Boeckman could throw a really good deep ball. When he had time he was a pretty good quarterback. However, whenever there was pressure he seemed to panic and did not do as well.
Also, my cat was better than Bauserman.
Coach Day? Is that you?
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He has a nice quick release but I'm no QB guru so what do I know....!
Just say you are ... I think that's all it takes.
Blahahaha...Are you Chugunov’s father??
"I think he is definitely better than Bauserman."
I think you connected with your target there, TB4L.
Thanks for the post.
I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...
Bauserman, oh that brings back moments of terror and NOT for our opponents
Well connecting with his target was something Bauserman was not an expert at...
Unless his target was the seats at Memorial Stadium.
As with any highlights video they show the good. I don't know much about evaluating talent based on these videos because with QB's they always show them throwing their best. But it's fun to watch the videos and he is a Buckeye so if his number gets called I'll be cheering just as hard for him as anyone else on the team.
My best friend from HS is a WV grad and a big fan. With all due respect to Chris, I am under the impression that if he plays significant minutes for us next year we are going to be in a bit of trouble.
Yes it wouldn't be ideal but please give the young man the benefit of the doubt. If he was that bad then he would have lost his scholarship. I'm sure he is serviceable.
1) +1 for your glass half full optimism. We need more of that sometimes.
2) MOST teams don't pull schollies for crappy players. That line doesn't mean much nowadays.
3) If by "serviceable" you mean he is a third string QB who gets a few snaps in blowouts I agree. Otherwise Fat Tim (WVU class of '93) (who really knows what he is talking about) disagrees with you.
From what I've heard, a school can pull a scholly from a grad transfer. Someone correct me if I'm wrong
I for one am glad C.C. is a Buckeye! and No I am not his father , just a Buckeye fan that doesnt eat one if our own!
No I am not his father
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Footwork looks good. Release is quick. He appears accurate. You learn as much from his bad throws as you do his good ones and they don’t show those. Haven’t googled anything on him but does anyone know his average game stats? Comp% ypa yac
He appears to target more downfield receivers than rbs/wrs in the flats. I like that.
HS career stats here and click on Var 14 - 15 in the upper right area for his senior year. College stats at WVU here.
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Interesting college stats...3 TD vs 3 picks. 2 solo tackles and one forced fumble.
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Guessing that he was on kickoff coverage his Freshman year.
I'd bet we see a bunch from Chugs in the 2019 Spring game. I'm sure he will Chuck the ball down field. We shall see if he does well.
If stuff happens and Chug ends up having to start a few games, then it will be up to the coaches to demonstrate why they get paid the way they do: develop a game plan that hides his weaknesses and leverages his strengths, and the strengths of the players around him. It's not an ideal scenario, but sometimes a team can rally around a backup QB for a few games, until opponents catch on to the new scheme.
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We see numerous teams every year win lots of games with QBs that weren't highly rated coming out of high school. Those guys were developed as you said. I really like your comment +1UV
As others have said, I'm glad he's on the roster because he fills a need as backup, just in case, but I wouldn't want to have to rely on him for a championship.
I think the same thing was said about Cardale Jones and we know how that turned out. Coach Day could devise a game plan for any QB but yes, I'd rather have Fields in the CFP for sure.
It's actually a shame he didn't stay at WVU. He would definitely beat out Austin Kendall lol
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Better than Bauserman? You are setting the bar below grade with that comment. I'm sure Chuganov's grandmother is better than Bauserman. Now I'm going to have nightmares reliving the accurate passes that Bauserman threw to the BigNut in the stands.
If Baldwin is healthy and Fields is granted eligibility then we should be fine in 2019. Chuganov can be a serviceable QB under Ryan Day. We will be fine at QB. Hopefully our O line gets it figured out by the end of spring ball.
If Bauserman had had Day or Yurcich as his QB coach rather than Siciliano, it's quite possible that he would never have become the Bauserman we all like to make fun of.
I can hear the fans now saying "Chug, chug, chug, chug" but some will think it's a drinking challenge, others will think it's for the qb, mass confusion will ensue in the stands.
Why not both?
OMG, please stop your stupid threads.
At least it’s not another Tathan thread.
And a good thing, too. I wouldn't want it to be drawing attention from the ones I'm preparing to roll out.
Hey, he could be the next Alex Moran if given the opportunity!
Blue Mountain State reference
I'm curious to see how he looks in April
So you think he wants to redshirt again this year?
Well Radon Randell did transfer in (Fields)
I'm thinking more legend of golden arm
Obviously if he is on the field in a meaningful moment then something has gone wrong. That being said I don’t think we are giving enough thought to it being year 2 for him with Day and that in itself has likely made him a better quarterback
I highly doubtful he's in competition for anything but the 3rd spot...no way this guy moves up unless injury occurs
Those who stir the shit pot should have to lick the spoon.
Chug holds the ball down near his hip, this is a problem for 2 reasons
1) makes his wind up long as he has to raise the arm first before getting into a throwing position
2) makes the ball somewhat easier to strip by defenders under pressure
He has a bit of a wide stance for his height and has a 3/4ers delivery ie not quite ideal over the top arm motion and hence tendency throw across his body that leads to his inaccuracy issue
Essentially sloppy mechanics, leading to mediocre results.
The long arm action wind up, and slightly wide stance makes for slower release and hence giving DBs another half second to make breaks on his passes
All of this really shows up more in the spring game highlights where the speed of the game forces quicker decision etc,
But he certainly has a reasonably strong arm and solid pocket presence
He also does not sell Play action very convincingly
He does seem to move his feet and hips reasonably well though ie turning towards his target and resetting
Chug could definitely fill in for a series or two if we need him to. Lead us to a national title? Um no.
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I mean, as a beer lover, I wouldn't be that upset to have a QB named Chug. Silver linings and all that.
Oh I think I’ll check out the video...he’s definitely better than Bauserman...haha. You know what I think I’ll take your word for it...exit forum.
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No bueno on the long ball......
When looking at the highlights, we should keep in mind that by next season he will have had quite a bit of time with Day. So if he ends up having to play significant minutes, hopefully some of the problems people described would be improved upon. But Cardale he is not.