I never imagined I would be this satisfied with the coaching staff. Unbelievable. Amazing tone to start a head coaching career. I have "you play hard, you play angry and you play tough. IT. IS. TIME!" on a continuous loop in my head.
Negativity is a choice.
Marotti and Pantoni provide continuity and are both great at what they do. Great retentions!
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Pantoni. Spot on. Good call. Somewhat forgotten but what he does “behind the scenes” and what it means to recruiting is invaluable.
"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody
Amen to this, both points.
I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...
Mick and LJ are the biggest booms for the coaching staff imho. Excited to see how the future looks.
I think alot of people under appreciate coach mick and the things he does behind the scenes! Glad we got to keep him and hope he stays a long time!
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The Mick is looking fit! He needs to update his bio pic.
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Was just going to say that. He looks 30 years old in that header photo.
His neck is wider than my thigh. LOL.
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The cult of Marotti is a little overstated in my view. Ohio State has too often been out-physical-ed in recent years to totally buy into that we're light years ahead of where we were pre-UFM.
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I’d agree w this. In the beginning w/Urban sure. Literally transforming players - Josh Perry comes to mind. Incorporating nutrition and what it means, etc. But maybe we got complacent? Not sure. Either way, I’m thinking raw recruits will change a bit w Day - and we’ll see what Mick can do w them.
Say that to his face, forum fingers.
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I would. People who can't hear less than that they're The Best Evar are lame. I don't think MM's lame. In fact, I think he would agree that there's a gap between Hype & results in recent years. I think most Buckeyes agree with that.
Speak for yourself dude
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I am. I think. Didn't say all. Said most.
This I think is the gap between real world & message board fandom. In the forums, lots of status preservation takes places such that any comment about the team resembling something "critical" is jumped on. At a bar over a beer it's easy to agree with (for example) "Yeah, this team could have accomplished much more since 2015."
At a bar over a beer it's easy to agree with (for example) "Yeah, this team could have accomplished much more since 2015."
You could argue any team that doesn’t win it all every year “could’ve” accomplished more. It’s hard to argue that outside of the 2015 season OSU realistically “could’ve” or “should’ve” accomplished more than what they did & even beyond that, at what point are we not content with generational success? More importantly none of OSU’s failings can be attributed to a lack of conditioning.
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More importantly none of OSU’s failings can be attributed to a lack of conditioning.
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I see your point, LCT, but not sure it is a "physical" thing. I dare say our beloved Buckeyes were soft in many respects last year, both on Offense (lack of road graders on the line) and certainly on Defense after Bosa left. There just wasn't anyone to fear or game plan around on the entire Defense -- no one. There was a leadership (excluding Terry MaC and others) and "physicality" deficit on the team -- yes, even for a team that went 13-1. To have allowed far inferior teams to stick around so often, IMHO supports the softness theory. If you still doubt it, go back and watch the Minnesota game in which our D line was literally pancaked on a number of plays --- by Minnesota. The O could not create rushing lanes and we wrote it off to confusion about Read Option vs. RPO or some bull shit like that.
I have full faith in Coach Mick - unconditional. But he has to work with what the coaches give him -- both in body and mind. I sense something in the second half of that equation has been lacking in recent years.
A very good point.
The type of physicality you’re talking about isn’t on the strength & conditioning coach.
Who then? I agree (in part) but this is an interesting comment.
Touché. As the saying goes, it starts at the top. Why I made the comment about who Day recruits - but I guess we have to include Mattison. Washington, etc as well. Point being, hopefully the taste of Day’s attitude/demeanor/moxy/ ______ we’ve already gotten w trickle down w current and incoming recruits like ZHarrison...clears throat.
First & foremost, the player. A coach can’t make a player nasty & physical. He can do his best to bring it out of him, but in the end the player has to take on that mindset. After that it’s the position coaches & then the HC. For example, look at a guy like Saine compared to Beanie, Sabino & Grant compared to Shazier & Kwon. Look at White compared to Wint & Pryor. Same coaches, same system, yet some popped off the screen from day one playing fast, hard, & physical, the other group looked lost & timid for the majority of their careers.
I could agree with this comment as I have thought the same about the same players you mentioned. Sometimes it takes the light turning on for players like Darron Lee, Apple, Lattimore, Aldolphus Washington and that list goes on and on. Waiting for that light to turn on is excruciatingly painful like watching Pete Werner. It is a fine line the coaches walk. Mick is the best thing that we have in my opinion. He is the mechanic that sets up the car. He can't make the car and he sure as hell can't drive it.
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I CONCUR!!!! Case in point, if you wanna see lost, go back and watch Werner on the very last play of Maryland (Ex-point try in OT) The reason that guy is so wide open was Werner... well just go watch. He blanketed the hell out of a already covered man that was already out of bounds. We escaped a whole different story line for the season had that pass been on the money.
I logged on to upvote, but I don't think Coach Mick is the problem. I believe the problem last year was team chemistry. For all the talk about the brotherhood, I think there were factions of players on the team didn't get along. I have no facts or insight to support this, it is pure speculation on my part.
Observing our defense, with 30 years of coaching including 10 as dc and 10 as hc, I believe the chemistry issue started in the staff. There was more than a little disconnect between our two (wth you cannot bake a cake with two people in charge) co-cordinators. I saw people lined up blocked, with support late or not exisenmt. Too many times our front 6 or 7 were left omn an island by poor support angles, or no support at all. I look at both Schiano and Grinch leaving as a sign that there was some friction there with philosophy.
How about coaches and coaching philosophy!
To a degree I agree with this but is it a question of Ohio State regressing or that the other programs have finally caught on and they have closed the gap? There is a limit to what you can get out of the human body. No matter how much I trained I was not going to be benching 225 lbs 25 times, I was not going to run a 10.0 100, I was not going to be able to do a 36" vertical and even my heart/lung capacity was only going to go so far. If a program was already getting close to the most it could get out of players and other programs were not and now they are, it is not regression on the part of Ohio State.
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I don't think you deserve all the DV's you're getting. But I actually disagree.
I think our players are just as fit as in the beginning, and they are probably capable of being as relentless as they are hyped to be. We rarely see our D on their heels, huffing and puffing. Even when they are losing those stupid games they shouldn't, it's because they were out-schemed, out-coached, and some of the players just didn't belong on the field.
But our players are fit. In the games where they play to their potential they go and go and go and go.
I think a game like Purdue is less an exclamation that our team is "less fit" than Purdue, which I guarantee they are not, and more...there are coaching flaws that appear once or twice a year that deal with scheme, motivation, and effort instead of physical ability.
To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.
Let even a whiff of MM leaving Ohio State get in the air and see if there are not at least 10 prime time programs lined up to hire him.
Devin Bush, R Gary who got banged up during The Game would disagree. In novemver and December of the last few seasons we wore opponents down. Losing trap games is not on MM. 9 losses in 7 years simply don’t indicate a let up imo.
This is where we should all hope Urban doesnt take another coaching job anytime soon. Mick will be Urban's first hire if he does. Ryan Day needs this guy.
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Ahhhh, damn. I had been ambivalent to Urban coaching else where until I read your post.
This might not sit well but if Urban takes another head coaching job in the next couple years I will say he pulling peoples chains with this health thing. If he truly has all these health issues he needs to stay out of football. He has money and a family to take care of life's to short as it is. Many folks at Florida still think he was faking it when he was there. I can't prove it one way or the other but it would make one think at least I will.
Anyone at Florida who thought he was faking it is a bit silly. Any Buckeye fans who think he was faking it if he comes back are silly and most likely blind. I love Coach Meyer and would have been thrilled to keep him... but he looked like he might literally die on the field.
I think he takes that very seriously. But here’s the thing: he also loves coaching. He lives for coaching. It’s not going to be easy to stay away even if he knows he should. And I don’t blame him if he comes back any more than if he stays away.
You are right that people will call BS if he coaches. Oh well.
I disagree we beat PSU the last couple of years and a couple TTUN games because we wore them out.
We beat Oregon for the national title by wearing them out and they ran tempo better than we did.
That was 4 years ago. We haven't seen that level (or anything resembling it) of intensity from an Ohio State team since then. Not at all saying that's Mick's fault. Just an observation that I think supports itself.
Maybe you missed the game on Nov 24, 2018?.
Okay, I'll give you that, semperfi. But I mean for sustained periods of time. Yes, the Game this year was a thing of beauty. Followed by a Big Champ game in which we had NW on the ropes, then sleep walked through the 3rd quarter. Had UW on the ropes in the 3rd quarter then sleep-walked through the end of the game where the clock was the MVP. If you want to point to specific games or portions of games, I'll agree with you. It was the sustaining part....that was missing this year, in spades, unlike the end of the 2014 season in which there was no let up -- against (far) superior teams than what this year's team played.
I think you hit it here...I don't think it has anything to really do with the shape of the players or whatever. It's simply that for whatever reason, the team this year thought it could just show up and beat teams (which typically they can do). Both the NW and UW game should have been easy 40+ wins yet they were closer than they should be because of this sleep-walking. Which to me starts at the head coach, who for as much as I love Urban, he lost his edge and it's been this way for a few years. Still an amazing, HOF coach, but he's not the same "asshole" (for lack of a better term) as he was when he was at UF or when he first got to OSU
We beat Penn State this year because of a dumbass Play they called on their last drive.
BFS......bigger, faster, stronger
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When the Urban retirement announcement was made, 'is Mick staying?' was my first question. Glad to see an emphatic yes!
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I'm over the Quick Cals.
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I was never really into the quick cals. Its a neat idea but not as cool in practice as it sounded in theory. I'd rather they go back to the hive.
Think the Quick Cals are for the students... and they seem involved from what I see before the games. Personally, I could never figure them out. :>)
I think advances and investment sports performance coaching is one area where a school can gain competitive advantage over the opponents even in the aspects that aren’t the traditional weight training, endurance, toughness. The aspects that are ripe for advancement are injury avoidance and the less traditional mental aspects of competition. If Ohio State really wanted to differentiate themselves, they’d spend a few bazillion dollars on a sports performance school that was unabashedly focused on personal and team competitive advantage. I’m talking doctorate level research programs in equipment design, training strategy, mental game strategic gameplay research, all together under a departmental umbrella that had access to the rest of the incredible diverse sciences at OSU, but clearly focused on sports performance. And while I’m sure there’s a tacit measurement of Marotti’s team that is linked with injury avoidance, go the extra mile and make ‘player minute availability’ a real job evaluation criteria. Make part of their coaching team’s compensation linked with player availability. You can certainly make the case that Marotti’s team can’t control or significantly influence the occurrence of concussions or ACL tears, but if they linked compensation to it, and had a OSU-size academic department dedicated to improving it, they might be surprised at the results. If even a slight tangible improvement was demonstrable, think of the recruiting advantage that such capability would draw.
Yeah the quick cals are lame. Find something else.
Sounds to me like you know far less about the sports performance staff than even I do! You are certainly in need of expanding your reading about what Marotti does...
Thats....that's not how any of this works. If a player breaks a leg in a game, Marotti and the coaching staff get less money because that player can't play?
I see where you're going here, but they have other ways of evaluating effectiveness of the S&C team.
You're absolutely right. I understand that's not how it works. But for example, if 'average player availability minute' was a metric that was tracked, and some bonus money went to the training team if the metric improved over the previous year, it would be one more thing that a recruit's family checks on the right side of their sheet: 'OSU actually evaluates the training team on keeping players healthy rather than abusing them and using them up in a few seasons of college.' Some of the B1G schools have to fight that reputation currently. The Valentine's Day Massacre may not appeal to some moms, I think this would convince them otherwise. My main point however was a suggestion to focus a whole academic department on research on the subject. Draw the best minds and become known as the best, the center of knowledge in the business.
Florida, Oregon, and Maryland are being sued for damages done upon their athletes by so called wonderful strength and training coaches. When the OSU has to pay through the nose thanks to the malpractice of Marotti, I'll be the first to say "I told you so."
"Malpractice?" Pretty strong word. Has there ever been even a hint of malpractice by Coach Marotti?
I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.
What damages has MM brought upon our players? Please don't post stuff like this without anything to back up frivolous claims.
He's bucking for Brett McMurphy's job.
It seems like Coach Mick might have stolen Sunnyside's girl, dog, or lunch money sometime in the past.
He has not made a ton of comments but the ones he has posted about Coach Mick are all negative. The spring chicken in that profile pic believes the methods used at tOSU are antiquated and worse. He is consistent though, Alabama is bad as well (in his informed opinion.)
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LOL people never let me down (if Sunnyside is wrong will he admit that he made a foolish post? of course he wouldn't). Anyone who has followed the transformation of certain players know coach Mick is the best in the buisness. Very glad he is staying with us.
We fans seemingly know how the football staff is organized, but (at least) I know nothing about how Marotti has his staff organized. Is an assistant assigned to handle a specific group of players? Does one assistant supervise weight lifting and another running/conditioning (for example?) Periodically Marotti has lost assistants... do we know why? Anthony Schlegel comes to mind. So, what I would really look forward to reading is more details about Marotti’s staff and how it is organized.
Holy shit - I did not realize Coach Mick was at Grove City - that astounds me!
Anyway, Marotti is vital to the success of the Buckeyes. How many times did the team just look so much stronger than the other team in the later stages of the game. From hydration and nutrition to strength training - the dude is the king of it! He is the best in the nation and I am glad he is staying!!!
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I honestly don't know a lot about how you weigh out strength staffs around the country or how the extemporaneous staffs are compared, but you never hear anything but good things about the Buckeye support staff from fans of other programs, and I think that counts for something for sure.
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
Marotti has done a great job over the past 7 seasons and he will continue to do so under Day. When his hire (retention) was announced, I reacted with a fist pump.
A few thoughts having a background in S&C as well as a Masters in Sports Sciences and having worked with a D1, national championship football team (humble brag sorry).
1- The S&C world is turning much more science-based rather than the Rah-Rah build toughness guys. The S&C community strongly dislikes guys like Cochran at Bama who gets paid out the ass to do nothing but scream and yell and act like a hard ass while his assistants are the ones truly doing all the programming and work. The NCAA has even started the process of requiring all strength coaches to have a nationally recognized certification which is a HUGE STEP considering what we've seen at places like Maryland and Oregon who just push their kids til they die.
2- The article makes a good point about how much contact strength coaches have compared to football staff. They are around the team MUCH MUCH more.
3- Alot of S&C is now into how practices are run and player monitoring for fatigue/injury risk. In fact, where I worked, we had a little computer guy who would go and tell the HC exactly who should do what and how long. Like I said earlier, much more science than just making guys puke.
Having talked to MM as part of a Master's project when I was in school, he's almost more psychologist than he is strength coach at this point. Which to me is vitally important to the team.
Experience and facts! Thank you. :)
This. There was an article a while back talking about how coach Mick and the strength staff implemented a snap count so they literally tell the coaches what players need to be limited and for how long.
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I was wondering what size of staff is independently assigned to a D1 strength & conditioning coach or is it an extreme variance?
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Well whatever Cochran is doing it’s working
Coach Mick is a savage and i am very please we have retained him on this staff
scUM sucks chump
Just look at the before / after pictures of someone like Joshua Perry. Marotti takes "good" HS players and turns them into ripped man-beasts.
As far as missing tackles, letting up in the 2nd half, etc. That's on the coaches, not Marotti. We had too much confusion on the defensive side of the ball and the defensive coaches were willing to play "bend don't break".
Expected coach Mick to be retained, great news!
The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes
Absolutely invaluable member of the staff. Incredibly satisfying to watch us weather through so many opponents best shot, then overwhelm them in the second half. The game plan vs scUM was great, yes. But we also out-everythinged them physically. Keep it up, coach. Can't wait for the StVDM vids
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