Don’t Hate on Tate

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LouBuck35's picture

As far as I'm concerned, he's not on the team anymore. Moving on.

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

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buckslan's picture

Well your 'concern' is wrong. He's still on the team. He's taking advantage of the transfer portal and expanding his options in the event that he does transfer.

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osu992's picture

Do you know that he is still at the university?

New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.

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JimmyVanP's picture

He's at home with his family 

"I feel ready for whatever awaits me on the other side. I don’t fear adversity. I don’t fear the spotlight. I don’t fear success. And I don’t fear failure." - Braxton Miller

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osu992's picture

What I thought too.

New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.

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Jsnyde45's picture

He’s still in Columbus per his instagram. 

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athens_buckeye's picture

Yesterday I think, he posted a pic of a highway sign of Morgantown...wherever he is, he was visiting WVU

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Jsnyde45's picture

On the way to Morgantown now, it seems. 

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Woodylegend's picture

Hes back in Vegas

"The minute I think I'm getting mellow, I'm retiring. Whoever heard of a mellow winner."

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RBuck's picture

He's everywhere!

Listen to the music.

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LouBuck35's picture

He removed all references to OSU and Columbus from his Twitter bio. Dude is done. Anyone believing otherwise is insanely naive.

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

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SilverHaven's picture

I'm not taking the b8.  I have no h8 for T8. 

And w8 as of this l8 d8 I have no h8 or desire for deb8.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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The Braden's picture

I agree, I cannot rel8 to this sp8 of h8 directed towards T8 as of l8. It's not so gr8, m8. But his feet are at the g8 and he is in charge of his own f8.

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SilverHaven's picture

Aloha, m8.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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Go1Bucks's picture

As far as the team is concerned, hes now the starter until he announces hes leaving or Coach says he isnt. What a stupid thing to say

Go Bucks!

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Who Tate? He most certainly is not the starter. If Fields is not eligible Tate still has to win the damn job over Matt Baldwin. The Tate entitlement is just laughable.

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Pretty sure Go1Bucks was having some sort of internal argument with himself, hence this line:

What a stupid thing to say.

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LouBuck35's picture

Hahaha, ok then.

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LouBuck35's picture

Tell me then, Go1Bucks, would the starting QB of THE Ohio State University be visiting Morgantown, WV just for shits and giggles?

I'll hang up and listen.

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

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stxbuck's picture

Big difference between "hating"-not my pov and "not caring"-my pov. Some posters can't grasp the distinction.

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Hovenaut's picture

I remember swimming among many a "put Tater in" comments in a few live threads this past season.

No hate here. Thought his social media declarations did him no favors but I wish him well.

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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Silver Sniper's picture

I’m appalled by the level of defense for Tate when he essentially a) Showed poor leadership and entitlement by trying to chase off a potential recruit who never said or did anything to Tate, b) Dug his own grave by talking all this “don’t swing and miss” stuff and how he is going to “100% be the starter”, c) Tucked his tail and ran once Fields transferred in, d) Flipped the bird to Buckeye nation on his way out scrubbing all social media of S&G and shouting out to other schools.

Where is all the outrage over Buckeyes who are sticking it out that have endured so much abuse from the fan base when they never did anything publicly to talk trash or drive off recruits e.g. Jahsen Wint, Isaiah Pryor, Bin Victor, Isaiah Prince, etc? Where are the forum posts and fan boys defending those guys who have battled through adversity and mean words online and are sticking it out to the end as true Buckeyes? Can someone explain why the outrage over Tate who loved to do all that talking, couldn’t back it up, and will now be against OSU going forward?

I liked Tate. Even after he was talking all that trash, I still said he’s young and immature, let’s forget that stuff and see him compete and let the best man win. I thought he would at least graduate in May, compete for the job, and if he didn’t get it, then transfer out like Burrow did. But no. He’s leaving without even competing and for some odd reason we have this whole chunk of our fan base all upset by the reactions to him. Please, save those tears and forum posts for Isaiah Pryor who took so much crap from everyone week after week, giving it his all and staying with the program after getting benched. Not to this entitled kid who has his middle finger pointed at you on his way out. 

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Buck298's picture

I started and ended with Tate where you did. I was a defender of his earlier because I'd rather see a little bit of attitude in a QB. But, Tate decided to go deeper into the snark pool and then chose to step away just days after Fields officially transferred. And yeah, he deleted his attachments to OSU. So, as far as I'm concerned, he burned his bridges intentionally. I was hoping he'd win the starting QB job. But if he didn't, if he had gone the Burrow route, competed, lost, graduated, and then transferred, I'd be on his side. But that's not the path he chose. Really makes me wonder who was advising him, and was he listening to the advice. 

Send the Earth Reverberating

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McGrind's picture

He had a role model and path to follow curtesy of Joe Burrow...choose the darkside...for all I care he can end up being a “instagram star” like his sis. 

If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

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WorthyBuck's picture

Agreed.  He quit on the program.  Fields has not even been cleared to play this year.  He could have at least stuck it out through spring ball and seen how that went.  

If Fields is not cleared, we are now extremely thin at QB because Tate is all talk and an entitled quitter.    If if Fields is cleared we are thin because these guys, Tate, like Burrow before him, could not take the competition.  

I do not wish him ill, but I am not particularly rooting for him, either.  

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Arsenal7's picture

Amen to this.

At risk of breaking the comment policy, there is a very hushed racial element that comes along with Tate that we aren’t supposed to talk about. It goes beyond the idiotic, surface level judgements like “he’s white so he cannot be athletic,” for example. I think a lot of this fan base sees Martell as a sympathetic figure and they relate to him more than they ever could to someone like Fields or Pryor. Judging from various conversations on this board, it seems the vast majority of people here are relatively well-off, white men. They see a kid like Tate, who has not had to work for much of anything and has been pampered his whole life, and they can relate to him. They come from similar backgrounds and who among us hasn’t been a dumb kid before? This is fine and normal; it’s easier to relate to someone with whom we share a common upbringing. 

However, the problem arises when you think about who is allowed to act what way and whose actions see more consequences. I very firmly believe that if a black quarterback acted the way Tate has, he would be met with nothing but vitriol and far less sympathy. Hell, Tyreke Smith wore a shirt with a message on it advocating for racial justice and plenty on this board and others immediately hated him and some called for his offer to be revoked. Tyreke Smith displayed an act of bravery and maturity and used his platform to spread a message on an important issue that he was passionate about, and was accused of only doing it selfishly and for publicity. Meanwhile, Tate has acted like a selfish coward at every turn of this Fields saga. He has actively tried to make this about himself, and when he realized he could not pout and get what he wanted he turned tail and ran, but now the fan base calls for sympathy and encouragement? Screw that.

I do believe that the coaching staff probably lied to Tate. I do think he is within his rights to be angry. Unfortunately, college football is not a world of fairness and justice, and Tate couldn’t get exactly what he wanted, when he wanted it like pretty much everything else in his life. If he had shut his mouth and competed and lost, then transferred I would meet him with sympathy. Instead, he has acted like an embarrassing moron and I’m done with it. He can go start for Liberty and fade into obscurity for all I care. Good riddance.

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Not debating you here, you make some valid points, but what makes you think the staff “lied” to him? I mean couldn’t an arguement be made for the opposite, that Day laid it out to him? He was an Urban recruit. Doubtful Day would have recruited him. Not so sure Baldwin wouldn’t have got serious consideration even w/o Fields coming here. Maybe Day went to him and said A, B, C....Isn’t he just caught up in a new HC situation, who wants to make his mark?

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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Arsenal7's picture

Yeah, that was poor phrasing on my part. I can understand Tate thinking he was lied to. I bet Urban told Tate he'd have a shot at the starting job, but Urban is gone and Ryan Day has other plans.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

You’re painting with a very broad brush and making reckless assumptions. My advice to you is to speak for yourself, not others. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

At risk of breaking the comment policy,

Which you basically did.  This line of discussion needs to end now, please.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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BuckeyeInDenver's picture

It’s pretty telling that the Mods step in almost immediately any time someone so much as suggests that some posters on here have racist tendencies. You all have been noticeably absent in other threads when Justin Fields has been accused—both directly and more subtly/indirectly—of “playing the race card.” If you don’t want people thinking there is a racial bias among this website’s commentariat, maybe stop looking the other way when racist shit is posted instead of only popping up when said racist shit gets called out. Just a thought.

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HOLYbucknut's picture

May I suggest a wake and bake before going on a rant like that? Just a thought.

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BuckeyeInDenver's picture

Four sentences that you disagree with do not constitute a “rant.”

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Denver, I nominate you as the 11W Micro-aggression Tsar. 

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BuckeyeInDenver's picture

Didn’t accuse anyone of a “microaggression”, but nice attempt at being cutting, I guess?

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

So, are you saying that 11W commenters made overtly racist comments? And the comments went unaddressed by Mods? Can you show me an example?

Otherwise, it was you imputing “racist tendencies” without them saying anything racist. Nowadays, I think the Mollennial social justice warriors refer to those tendencies as “micro aggressions,” which only they are equipped to identify and properly interpret.

But maybe you meant something else by suggesting other people are racists?

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BuckeyeInDenver's picture

There's been plenty of dogwhistle language used on here around Fields' motives to transfer. That's not the same thing as the "microaggressions" that you're referring to. Racism is a spectrum, and I think you're probably smart enough to realize that.

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stxbuck's picture

Fields got dealt the "race card" and he played it-I don't criticize him for it-life gives you lemons, make lemonade. Would he have transferred irregardless of what some drunken baseball player said-highly probable.

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BuckFeva's picture

Forum police...watch out

All Hail Urbz

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CUTCH's picture

Selfish coward?  Wow, some of you are either very young or have jealousy issues and are acting just like most of the country percieve Buckeye fans.  Embarrassing.

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BuckeyeInDenver's picture

One hundred percent spot-on, Arsenal

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DowntownBuck's picture

BuckeyeinDenver, where do you live?
I'm basically 5th and Broadway...Baker neighborhood

Those who stir the shit pot should have to lick the spoon.

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BuckeyeInDenver's picture

No offense, but I’m not sharing that information. You’re in an awesome part of town, though.

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allinosu's picture

I think you see what you want to see. I didn't see Navy's request until I type a much broader response, so I erased it. They are all buckeyes dude, try to remember that. I think everything that started this down through me SHOULD be erased.

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kmp10's picture

The unmitigated arrogance some show on here is dumbfounding, and the assumptions some younger people make specific to 'white men' in America is mindlessly pompous. It speaks volumes to one's lack of life experience, no matter how well-written the opinion. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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BBQ_Fan's picture

There are some interesting observations here (not that I agree with them). However there is no basis for the "staff lied " comments.

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Lifetime45's picture

Yep... people that are concerned about people other than themselves are such chumps

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Go1Bucks's picture

You sir, are a jackass.

Go Bucks!

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stxbuck's picture

This is totally wrong. Acting like a spoiled social media diva knows no color-Martell, Antonio Brown. Neither does acting like a classy individual and loyal Buckeye-Robert Landers, Joe Burrow.

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CleveState's picture

The village is missing its idiot. Arsenal7 please report back as quickly as possible. 

Its like this guy can’t even the amount of hate that Tate has gotten on here for exploring his options was over the top and you think people were protecting him because of his race?

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seyekcuB's picture

You lost me at white privilege bro

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mittenst8buck's picture

Sniper, I totally agree with your comment 100%. Tate packed up and left when shit got rough. I would have been totally fine if he would have kept his mouth shut and just transferred out of here like most other transfers. Joe Burrow competed and then left because he didn't win the starting job...and you know what I respect the hell out of him 100% for that and cheer him on because he has never pissed and whined about it. In fact quite the opposite...he sends praise to Haskins and still cheers on OSU and has good things to say about the university. Not saying that Tate has said anything particularly against OSU but his behavior is that of a primadonna. If you don't want to compete for the starting job fine, if you want to transfer fine and if you are angry that is fine too...but don't be making bets you can't back and then tuck tail and disappear when the bookie shows up to collect.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I would add that Joe Burrow also has a diploma from The Ohio State University.  There is no question that he is a Buckeye.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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mittenst8buck's picture

I get that, and according to many so could Tate. Believe me, as a former college football player myself (not at OSU so maybe I am not a true Buckeye...but I did get an MBA from there) I know all about how some of the inner workings of the locker room goes...and Tate didn't handle himself well. Agree JB is 100% Buckeye but he still could have just left and remained silent...instead he goes a little out of his way to show support more than other grad transfers appear to.

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sanbuckeye's picture

In more ways than one. Born and raised (The Plains), Ohio Mr. Football.

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CUTCH's picture

Appalled?  Seriously?  You might be taking this a little too personal.  Just an fyi, his IG is stilled loaded with S & G pics.

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Silver Sniper's picture

No, not personal at all. Just my humble observation and opinion. Yeah, “appalled” might be a little stronger than intended. Essentially I’m surprised by the level of Tate-love for someone who so quickly made his own bed and everyone acting like somehow this was all brought on him and as though he was entitled to some kind of special treatment. With him apparently on his way out after talking all his ish, curious where all the support and tears are for the guys sticking it out who have endured mean words (since this was the point of the forum post in Tate’s defense) at the hands of Buckeye fans like Pryor, Borland, etc? Cheers.

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FitzBuck's picture

There is only one tater that’s going to Tate.  

Fitzbuck | Toledo - Ohio's right armpit | "A troll by any other name is still a troll".

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mittenst8buck's picture

Oh man...I forgot about that guy lol

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crusher's picture

How could you ever forget about Taint Forcer? 

Don't listen to Freddy P. Soft

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SilverHaven's picture

Oui, oui, Monsieur Forcier.  Et ou sont les Lacets?

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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Urbane Meijer's picture

Tathan Martell and Rent That Llama are anagrams.

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bucknut1994's picture

Transferring all my non existent hate towards to Tate onto Osusam77. Please hit the up arrow on this comment and do the same. Thank you

#94Ways

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rcdunn1010's picture

I think he's joking... OP said hate me if you disagree, but don't hate Tate

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Extramedium's picture

Clearly didn't read the post 

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SpaceBuckeye's picture

I completely agree with your take and actually love his comments on social media. I personally love cocky, confident players and it was really encouraging because he is talented and known to compete. I just wish he would he would have backed up all the stuff he said. It made him look dumb to write a check he wasn't even willing to try to cash.

I love me some Tate, and shockingly all of Buckeyenation did until we got Fields. The sad part is, had we not gotten Fields, everybody would still love him. I wish him the best!

Those who say they can and those who say they can't are both right. Which one are you?

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Sanitarian2's picture

Douche and confident are often in the same paragraph, one must be very careful when being either. I don't see all this imagined hate that posters are crying about, at worst it seems to be a "goodbye, don't let the door hit you in the ass" mantra. I also don't get the "If you are a buckeye you are absolved of all actions your entire life" thought process either. 

Sani

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SpaceBuckeye's picture

You must not have read through all the forums, definitely plenty disgraceful comments about Tate. Or you're "imagining" not to see them.

Those who say they can and those who say they can't are both right. Which one are you?

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Davep160's picture

I started reading the negative comments and was so revolted, I shut 11w out of my life for a while.   It's revolting. 

The lord of brevity.

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SpaceBuckeye's picture

You must have a good imagination lol /s

Those who say they can and those who say they can't are both right. Which one are you?

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aj99's picture

It was disgusting. People hiding behind their screen name were revealing who they really are. I took some time away as well and prob won’t be around as much anymore. 11w might have reached a tipping point of sorts for me. 

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irishfury's picture

Yes I loved this site but after watching what fans on here said about JT Barrett and the mods let them get away with it.   Also how terrible some fans our unless where perfect.  So I comment alot less and read alot less.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Yes I loved this site but after watching what fans on here said about JT Barrett and the mods let them get away with it. 

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this comment. If you have specific examples of users violating the commenting policy that went unchecked, please provide them.

Speaking for myself, as Mods we try very hard to keep conversations on the site within the bounds of the commenting policy. More often than not, we have users complaining about their threads, comments, etc. getting edited unfairly than users complaining that we're too lenient. In fact, there is a lot of Modding that goes on behind the scenes, which mostly goes unnoticed.

If someone expresses a negative opinion or provides stats/evidence that someone is performing poorly, as Mods we can't just nuke the comment because it speaks ill of a player (as much as we might like to).

Personally, I would prefer if posters/commenters tried to remain positive, objective, and stay out of the online bashing of 18-24 year old student athletes. We should be here to discuss the team, cheer the players on, and enjoy fellow fans' online 'company'. Not call college students names because they made a mistake on the field, or got outplayed by another athlete. It's a lofty goal, I know.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Major H's picture

NavyBuck putting it all into perspective. Last paragraph says it all. Well spoken, Navy!

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Timbucktoo's picture

If I want all positivity all the time I'll tune in to a Tony Robbins podcast. With that said, many of the comments and commenters can be over the top in their characterizations of players, coaches and other 11w commenters. Personally, I think it is fair game and apropo of a fan message board to discuss whether: Haskins should've started over Barrett in 2017; Greg Davis/Schiano/T. Johnson/Stud needed to go; Sheffield or Arnette could defend a pass without interfering; or Borland should've been a starter. And while I am glad Martell likely will transfer out - for the sake of the locker room - calling him a "douche" or other names, or offhanded comments about his family, are uncalled for. I would hope we all are better than that.

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Buckeyeneer's picture

I have hit that point occasionally, Irish. I have found that skipping the comment section and just reading the articles does the trick.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes

THE Ohio State University

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BuckFeva's picture

Guys...It's a forum, we come here to express our frustrations and also our triumphs for our team. If you can't get away with talking about a players poor performance than it defeats the whole purpose of creating conversation. I'm hoping mods don't regulate it to the point where bashing a players performance is treated as "terrible". And for a side note...we were never near perfect that entire season other than the Scum game, especially not on the defensive side of the ball so thats why our fans were "terrible" like you say.  I mean its Ohio State, I want to see us beat some ass every game lol but obviously thats not realistic. 

All Hail Urbz

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idotter81's picture

This, AJ. It’s unfortunately the world we live in now. Anonymous tacky and personal bashing in our Twitter social media world has become the norm. People say things to and about each other now that they would never say or have the nerve to say to someone to their face or truly publically. I love 11W and muchnof ita content but the forums have started to chase me away, too. I’m commenting less but (more telling) clicking on the site less and less. Sad really but it’s where we are these days. 

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SilverHaven's picture

I'm heartened to see I'm not the only one who walked away from the bashing on the 11W forums for a while.

Perhaps if we had to use our own names to comment, as required of commenters on the Wall Street Journal, we would see a lot less anonymous trash talk.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

This may be a solution -- or at least a great help -- to all of the anonymous keyboard warrior takes of the internet...seriously.

You win with people. 

And so forth...

9 Units Strong!

 

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Davep160's picture

I thought I was the only one also.   I freaking hate bullies,  half of the internet warrior shit said on here if it were said in person (especially to me) would result in a broken face.  There are a lot of shit people in the world, and you are correct,   anonymous posting gives the weak a forum to be mean for no other reason than tearing someone else down to make themselves feel better.   To be honest, I go out of my way not to say anything negative about anyone at any time that I wouldn't say straight to their face.    

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Actorjonnyb's picture

Agree.

Some calling him things like "Little Man", and making fun of his first name like a bunch of elementary kids would do...Made me sick.

The real douche bags are the adults hiding behind their key pads insulting a kid who gave his all for us the past 2 years. 

I hope Tate lands in a good school and tears it up on the field. There is no honor, loyalty, decency or honesty anywhere these days. The Buckeye nation used to be a tight knit family and we would get kids from Ohio for the most part and it was special. What happened to Tate wouldn't have happened under Tress or Coop for that matter. He may have been beaten out eventually but he would have had his chance.

It's a mercenary sport now. That said I'm glad we got Fields but I would have made him earn it over Tate.

buckeyeinla

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PhillyNut's picture

I agree with some of your comments but to pretend that things were better back "in the good old days" is not accurate. The only difference between the fan base then and now is the social media environment that provides multiple ways for people to show who they really are.

And nobody but Tate took away the opportunity to compete with Fields. But I wish him well.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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countrybuckeye's picture

well, in keeping with reality, please don't tell me these days are better than those old days

that was then, and this is now

there are those who lived as adults in both, know the differences, and move forward every day

some have not, do not, and repeat the worst from the past

I just like watching football, basketball, etc. for the entertainment, and THOSE activities are slowly being sullied with extraneous crap better suited for seminars, symposiums, and talk around the dinner table

smh

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WorthyBuck's picture

Tate is the one allowing Fields to not earn it by running from the competition. 

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JackIsWayBetterThanTiger's picture

So you think Baldwin has got no shot? I'm sure Fields is the favorite, but this battle needs to play out as well.

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countrybuckeye's picture

Baldwin? Who's that? Is he the guy with that funny first name 'Chugger'?

/s

“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”

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LawClub's picture

It looks that way but there's a good chance that Coach Day told him A) No RPO and B) You're not really suited to my offense.  

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Netbuck's picture

I think the offense is changing. Tate thought he had a 2 year head start learning the system, then found out all 4 QBs would be starting at the same point with a new offense.

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Buckeyeneer's picture

That said I'm glad we got Fields but I would have made him earn it over Tate.

I agree with most of what you said, but if Tate leaves, it really was his choice to not make Fields compete for it.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes

THE Ohio State University

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Extramedium's picture

He could have earned it if Tate stayed.  Also, Tate could have earned it for himself.  While I don’t agree with grown men calling 18-22 year old kids names, now you see why people’s opinion on Tate have lessened. 

My personal opinion is that Ryan Day told him straight up that the offense is moving in a direction that isn’t in line with his game since Meyer retired.  I don’t think he’s afraid to compete, I think he realizes he needs to be at a school that will utilize his talents properly 

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Dstacify's picture

Funny, but most of the comments labeling Tate as a douche and a horrible person off the field only started up after the Fields transfer rumors started heating up. No one cared all that much before that. Sounds to me like a lot of fans view Tate as a complete waste of space on the roster now because A) one of the top ranked QB recruits in the country is now here and B) because Day is HC now instead of Meyer and supposedly prefers Baldwin (which has never been confirmed btw, just because Day recruited him does NOT mean he plays favorites). Look, Tate may very well be a complete ass off the field. But so is Baker Mayfield and Browns fans will sing his praises to the moon right now just because he's the best QB they've had since Bernie Kosar was playing. Most OSU fans have very little moral high ground to stand on to begin with when it comes to judging what these kids do off the field. These are college kids. They are going to make immature decisions from time to time (that's just inevitable).

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SpaceBuckeye's picture

Bingo!

Those who say they can and those who say they can't are both right. Which one are you?

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LouBuck35's picture

There were no comments about Tate because he was a backup QB who wasn't running his mouth. All his deleted tweets and interviews are what made people sour on him. Dude can't even live up to his word. "100% going to be the QB, why would I transfer" yada yada. His ass was on the first bus out of town once they landed in Columbus.

I don't care if you talk, but back it up.

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

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FortMeyer's picture

I agree Lou. Any insulting comments are uncalled for but the kid put himself in the spot he is in. All he had to do was take the high road on the J.F. situation and chose otherwise. If you choose to speak out like he did there will be repercussions. My guess is this will be his M.O. throughout his career. He likes to let everyone know what he is thinking.

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stxbuck's picture

This. I will admit to saying during the season, in regards to Martell "Dude is a cross between Justin Bieber and Tim Tebow". I stand by my comments.

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EvolBuckeye's picture

With all due respect, TSgt...speak for yourself.

Don't get me wrong, I wish no ill will upon the kid. Heck, I even get where he's coming from, but at no point in his recruitment or time at Ohio State did I "love me some Tate". Like I said, I wish him no ill will. I hope he succeeds and has a wonderful life somewhere. But "all of Buckeyenation" was not in fact drooling over the kid.

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Benwin's picture

“Life has two rules: #1 Never quit #2 Always remember rule #1 http://i.imgur.com/fSNzSap.gifv

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cajunbuckeye's picture

Big fan of Tate. Hate to see him leave the program.

An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches

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DuckBuck's picture

If he goes to Miami then the "Martell Cartel" takes on a new meaning, and I don't exactly hate it. 

I do despise the "U", though.

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southbuc's picture

Miami still plays football?

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

In America, we call it "soccer."

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Who cares if he stays or goes. Just a traveling circus.

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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JCam061588's picture

Tate brought this on himself, if he doesn’t make make those comments the average fan understands his decision & wishes him well. That’s on him...

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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Brohio's picture

Thread over. This is all you need to read right here. If Tate makes a business decision and bows out gracefully a la Joe Burrow he gets the Buckeye Nation pass for life. Instead he chirps for 2 weeks and then runs away while his mom subtweets in his defense on her public Twitter. I appreciate what he did but these last few weeks with the Martell family are flat out embarrassing and they’ve earned every inch of the “Dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out” sentiment that they’re getting right now. They’ve shown their true colors and mark my words, the next destination for Tate won’t be his last in the NCAA 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I maintain that not all Millenials on social media are bad, but there are some awful parents of Millenials who should be banned from the Internet for life.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

AKA "purchasers of the participation trophies"

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stxbuck's picture

One sees this behavior-and inevitable outcome- in self promoting athletic families all the time-the Ball clan, the Mitchell clan-Mike and Mickey-not Kelsey/Lady Bucks, the Forcier clan, the Martell clan (even if Tate doesn't have a little brother), the Bolen clan (pre-social media blast from the Ohio past),etc,etc.

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

Im fed up with all the player bashing in general Arnette caught allot of flack just because he decided to return. Borland was beat up on for playing with one wheel for a position coach that was heavily criticized. We have to stop whipping on our own.

Noon games suck

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JCam061588's picture

Not comparable situations, Arnette & Borland while deserving some criticism for their play absolutely have done nothing to warrant any “bashing”. Tate has, it is what it is...

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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SilverHaven's picture

Yes, the situations are not the same.  But the bashing is the same.

Tate bashing.
Urban bashing.
Cardale bashing.
JT bashing-- that's Tressel and Barrett.

Why are we eating our own like hyenas?

Stop!

Aloha.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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aj99's picture

Yes it’s sad 11w permits the nasty comments directed at players. The Tate scenario was highly nuanced with last years qb transfer, the coaching drama, Urban leaving, and Fields coming. The 11w staff threw red meat out there making fun of his name. It was disappointing and I have better things to do. So I’m heading out of here for a while. They need to get control or this place will end up being a cesspool of morons who know nothing about football or life and use these boards to vent their crap. 

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Osusam77's picture

I do hate the personal attacks. I was hard on the D this year, but I never hated on individual players like so many do. This is just bad form. 

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Jdadams01's picture

Too many people on here take criticism of a player's performance on the field as personally attacking the player. Saying a player has a weak arm or is too slow is not a personal attack. Some day they will need to be able to take criticism of their job performance, football or no. CFB is big business and these guys know what they're getting into when they come to OSU. As I've said previously, these players have no problem accepting all the love that comes with it, they need to be able to accept the criticism, too.

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JCam061588's picture

Actually too many “fans” confuse bashing a player with criticism. Check the Arnette thread & gauge how many users actually offer any helpful critique or just get on their soap box about how “bad” he is. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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countrybuckeye's picture

these players you reference should be able to take the criticism -- when spoken to them to their face

otherwise, I recommend they tune out the noise found on the Interwebz

“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”

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WorthyBuck's picture

Agreed.  We are here to discuss the team, and bad performances, just like good, are part of the narrative of the team.  It’s not a personal attack to question a specific player’s performance. 

These players come to OSU to play big time college football.  They are young adults, but adults.  They have been scouted, evaluated, ranked, and critiqued for years.  I just do not get that part of the fanbase who considers any criticism of a player’s on field performance to be an out of line personal attack. 

JT Barrett was a bad passer.  Tuf Borland is too slow.  

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Timbucktoo's picture

I'd venture to say blind, unconditional loyalty and admiration has been conflated with support.

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BuckAlum09's picture

I was hard on the D this year

nice...

EDIT: (dick jokes are still fair game right?)

"...and when we win the game, we'll buy a keg of booze. And we'll drink to old Ohio till we wobble in our shoes."

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I'm sorry to hear that Aj99.

The 11w staff threw red meat out there making fun of his name.

Where did anyone on staff make fun of Martell's name? I saw one mention of the origin of his name in a Skull Session, but never saw any ill intent or malice in the story.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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countrybuckeye's picture

common sense, applied to today's environment, would have one understand 'broadcasting' something regarding someone's personal info will result in it's use to shame, degrade, make fun of said person

“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

What other people do with the news is not the fault of the messenger. Anyone could’ve found that information. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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SilverHaven's picture

So, you're sorry.  Now what happens?  Can steps be taken?

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Life’s full of choices. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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cbusbornwrldwiderazed's picture

No hate here, I wish him nothing but the best of luck. Unless he goes to TTUN, then tahellwithim

"Old minds are like old horses; you must exercise them if you wish to keep them in working order."
John Adams

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LawClub's picture

One place I would not want him is PSU.  He could be McSorley squared.

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OhioStGoon's picture

To extent you're right in that the hate is a little over the top now especially as it pertains to a kid barely out of his teens. With the aforementioned being said this is something Tate brought on himself knowing full well what the outcome would be if he turned around said what he said then quit. I know he know's the consequences because I know for a fact every OSU player goes through a continuous program in how to interact with the media whether its face to face reporters or social media. From ESPN to Twitter to Facebook they literally tell you what to say and how to say it and Tate purposely went off script. I don't hate Tate but I also don't owe him no allegiance either he's for all intents and purposes is gone and hopefully he can learn to think before he speaks in whatever is next in life for him.

GO BUCKS

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

I lost a lot of respect for the kid for entering into the portal instead of competing for the starting job. Maybe Fields comes in and struggles? Maybe he gets injured? Maybe Fields changes his mind and transfers back out? Anything could happen and Tate decides to transfer. If he's not transferring he should've kept his name out of the portal because all he's doing is seeking attention for himself. Shut up and compete. But he isnt and now he comes across as an entitled baby. The last time we had an entitled QB we got into trouble with the NCAA, cough, cough, TP, cough. Fuck that.

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Dstacify's picture

If Fields changes his mind and backs out of his transfer here (which I highly doubt will happen anyways) I'm going to be much more angry at Fields than Martell. That just makes him appear untrustworthy to any program if he were to do that. With Tate I can sort of understand where he's coming from because he's been here for 2 years now and probably feels that the Fields transfer signals that OSU forgot about him completely. On top of that I see the pattern. OSU fans have turned up their animosity towards Tate tenfold ever since Fields was first linked to OSU (long before Tate even so much as considered making this decision) and I'm sure he's probably somewhat aware of it (for all we know he could have fellow students on campus harassing him about it). Basically the summary here is "Tate, now that Ryan Day is HC you're no longer wanted. Get out." Not saying that is indeed the way Day actually views it. I just think that's probably the way Tate himself is looking at the situation. And tbf it pisses me off to some extent. Why recruit these kids at all to begin with if we're just going to decide later on down the road that they're no longer needed? Plus how do you think situations like this make incoming talents like Jack Miller feel? If OSU develops a reputation of driving out players we recruited like this (first it was Burrow, now it's Martell) it's going to make future commits a little uneasy no question. Plus we recruit well enough at QB IMO that we don't need to be relying on transfers that much anyways. We're not overly desperate at that position like Harbaugh has been since he arrived in AA. What I would take from this is that Fields needed OSU a lot more than OSU needed Fields to begin with. We could've rolled Martell or Baldwin out as the starter next season and probably have been fine. Fields is a great player to have on our team no question but he's luxury IMO.

11 Strong.

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aj99's picture

Yep. I’m pretty sure Day is going to regret this. You win with people and if your people don’t trust you then they won’t play for you. They ran off two four star quarter backs in less than a year. I’m thinking that’s going to make recruiting against tOSU much easier. 

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LouBuck35's picture

So they "ran off" Joe Burrow?? Or he wasn't as good as maybe the best QB Ohio State and they Big 10 have ever had? Come on man..

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

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Chicago Connection's picture

All true, Lou. 

Actually, I think the way that the way the Burrow situation was handled would be attractive to any recruit, who'd know that the team will be frank with him about his role, and if he decided to transfer, the school wouldn't try to stop his transfer; he'd have Buckeye Nation cheering for him; and he'd leave town as a far more developed and skilled player. 

Witness the fact that Burrow has done fabulously in his own right, and he has expressed ZERO negative feelings towards the team or coaches. In fact, he's not only appreciative of his time spent in Columbus, he's profiting from it. 

Rather than worrying about the Burrow situation hurting Ohio State's recruiting, I see no reason why it wouldn't be a fantastic selling point that virtually no other major school could offer or has offered.

The bottom line is that every recruit wants to maximize his upside while minimizing his downside, and while major programs can offer the former opportunity if you start for them, few can provide an examples of minimizing a player's downside if he doesn't start.

But Ohio State can. And Joe Burrow is the poster boy for that case. 

Still, to the OP's point, the Martell situation might turn out differently. However, we don't know that yet. There's still a whole lotta stuff that needs to be settled, and even if Martell goes elsewhere, I''ll be totally shocked (and more than a little disappointed) if Tate goes elsewhere, becomes a star, and then either claims or can prove that he was lied to by Day or urban and/or  the Ohio State program otherwise unfairly held back his development and progress. 

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Two things:

How do you know whether the staff handled the QB situations differently? We don't know the agreements or discussions that happened, though my assumption is that Ryan Day would've handled this situation as well or even better than Urban would've. In fact, Day was their QB coach last year and essentially still was until Martell ejected.

The situation is different for the coaching staff to handle because it was over before it began. You can't compare the situations because the QB competition hasn't played out and appears that it won't. The only thing Day has been able to manage was Tate's social media temper tantrums when the staff brought in necessary depth at the position after they lost a recruit AND it was clear Dwayne was leaving. From the outside, so we can see Day is doing is his job (addressing depth issues at the most crucial position).

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Chicago Connection's picture

Sure, neither of us knows if the Martell situation has been handled differently or the same as the Burrow situation, and I didn't claim that I knew it was handled in the same way (although I suspect it was handled similarly even if the situations don't exactly correspond), which is why I said "if" we discover otherwise, and if either the coaches or Tate handled it poorly, then I'd be disappointed to that degree depending on whatever information came to light.

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stxbuck's picture

Good coaches cut QB controversies off at the knees, desperate/new coaches let them fester into the season.

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Zakb911's picture

I said I wanted him to stay and win the job, before he announced that was his plan, then he quit like a kid and I found out there's a pattern.  No thanks, I'll take Fields and Baldwin.

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Chicago Connection's picture

I totally get why any Buckeye fan wouldn't want a player who doesn't want to be here, Zak, but in fairness, there's no "quit" yet on Tate's part--no more than Fields "quit" on Georgia--but, yeah, Tate very well might transfer.

But even if he does, for what it's worth, both Baldwin and Fields will need to put in a full two years of healthy, hard work before they match Tate's commitment to the team thus far, and that ought to count for something.

Heck, by all accounts, Tate's ability to play the role of Trace McSorley in practice has been pivotal in helping the Buckeyes to beat Penn State for two straight years. That's not a shabby contribution in itself. 

By my reckoning, it might even merit a "hey, thanks for your effort and contribution and best of luck." But that's just me, and everyone has their own feelings on these things. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

There's a significant difference in circumstances between Fields looking at another year sitting behind Frohm (a third year starter) and Martell potentially having to compete against a transfer who knows nothing about the locker room, the offense or the team. Martell would have a two-year head start on Fields at OSU.  And, he was very vocal about his confidence in beating out Fields for the starting job.

You can say Fields quit on UGA, but he felt he could start somewhere else. But Martell has essentially quit before they've even practiced together.

I think there's a lot more to this story that we don't know.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Chicago Connection's picture

You may be right about what we don't know, Navy, because, well, we don't know. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if there was more to this story and said information didn't put either party in a good light. 

It's a totally legit and fair point per Martell's situation being qualitatively different from Fields and various respects, but rest assured, there are more than a few critics in Georgia who nonetheless perceive him as quitting on their program. I'm thinking this comes with the territory of a transfer, especially since this a relatively new development in college football.

Anyway, my point wasn't to actually claim Fields is a quitter, because personally, I don't perceive either him or Tate as quitters. I see them both as exploring their options after having been good solders at their schools for a couple years. 

That said, Martell's comments and subsequent action certainly has feed into the perception of quitting, and for that, he only has to blame himself. BTW, I've elsewhere been critical of him for those comments, even if I understand his frustration, because most of all, they would only make him look bad. 

Nonetheless, despite those comments and the negative light he's cast on himself, I honestly don't see him as a quitter, even if he transfers, and I don't see Fields that way, either. I think they're both exploring their options, and as college QBs, I appreciate that they have limited options with a limited number of years to maximize their opportunities. 

In short, I sympathize with both guys, and I only wish they'd both stick around to compete, and then may the best man win (and remain a good teammate), but... I don't think we'll be seeing them on the same roster. Still, I wish both the best wherever they land. 

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Tresselball4life's picture

I hope he stays and competes.  I agree with the OP.  He can still win the starting job.  

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PsyBuck's picture

1. He spent two weeks talking about how he's 100% Buckeye and would NEVER transfer.

2. He ACTIVELY tried to intimidate Justin Fields into not transferring so that he might think twice and not come here and present a hurdle for him becoming the starter.

3. He said he was the best QB for Ohio State and was going to win the starting job

4. He broke up with Ohio State like a middle schooler by changing his status on Twitter to "single" without so much as a goodbye kiss (or at least a "Thanks Ohio State for the opportunity, but I will be finishing my career elsewhere).

I don't hate him. That would be silly. But if you think not being impressed with his temper tantrum (which he lacked the balls to back up), and not wanting him being a toxic presence in the QB room is hate, then YOU'RE the one being silly, not me.

"No we don't give a da*n 'Bout the whole state of *ichigan"

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macdaddybuckeyesupreme's picture

It's not hate....its called being an entitled punk which (from his comments and actions) he is. He's a hypocrite, tried to intimidate another quarterback and once that back fired he tucked tail and ran. He's not on the team anymore, and even if he comes back (he wont) nobody in that locker room will respect him.

Successful people do what they have to, whether they feel like it or not

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silverbullet71's picture

I rode the wave of downvotes, per claiming posters on here were suddenly hating only because Fields. Honestly, that kind of talk pushed me away from liking Fields. To me he is an outsider who just waltzed in, earning nothing but given everything. If you dont believe he was told he would be the man here, you're insane. CFB is a business and at the end of the day, OSU and Tate both made business decisions. It will be interesting to see who's decision works out the best.

I've said this over and over, unless Fields comes in and wins a natty, hes a bust. For all the hype surrounding a kid that couldn't beat out a less than great Fromm (decent qb, not great) I have my doubts about him being as good as advertised. Hopefully I am wrong

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WeSkrongDen's picture

Over the top. It's a team game. The only guys I've really seen carry a team to a NC were Vince Young and Cam Newton. Both still had good defenses.

I saw a guy posting on mgoboard who coached against both Fields and Trevor Lawrence. He said Fields was better, best hs player he's ever seen.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Every high level recruit is told they're going to be the man. Someone of them actually believe that all they have to do is show up. Some of them recognize that they're going to be a little fish in a big pond and will have to work their asses off to be the man. They are the ones who succeed.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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kmp10's picture

I could have misunderstood to whom you're referring with your comment, and I really enjoy your posts, Navy, as you know, but it sounds as if you're implying Martell didn't work his ass off, and if so, that seems extremely shortsighted to me. By all accounts, and as proven by his performance in limited opportunities and being close to graduating within 2.5 years, Martell has worked his ass off. I just cannot understand what leads you to believe that Martell thinks he just has to show up? What are you basing that on? It really seems as if you're letting Tate's big personality and loose canon comments cloud what the kid has actually has done in two years here. Try to separate Martell's recent words from his accomplishments. It seems close to impossible that one could be within a semester of graduation from a four year university within 2.5 years, especially while playing major college football, if that person were someone who just showed and expected things to be handed to him. It seems just as unlikely that a guy who Urban Meyer very much wanted to stay involved, and who played at a high level when he had the chance, didn't work hard to gain Meyer's devotion and a chance to play in the games. Meyer was never shy about saying player X was not giving the necessary effort, or that it was time for player Y to contribute... and you never heard those comments directed towards Martell. Tate ran his mouth, I get it, and that rubs lots of people the wrong way, which I also get, but there are lots of assumptions being made about Martell, and none of us know the story. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I was speaking in vague generalities, not specifically referring to Martell. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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JCam061588's picture

Trust me, in this day & age no coach of a major program is guaranteeing jobs. Not to mention, Day didn’t have too. Fields skillset is far more suitable to this offense than Tate’s, that’s blatant & Day could say that without telling a lie or promising a damn thing. It is what it is, let’s not act like Baldwin wasn’t already started to generate talk before the Fields situation was even on the radar. 

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Fromm is better than decent. I personally think UGA's offense was just a bad fit for Fields and that a stationary, pocket, pro-style QB will always be in favor in Athens. 

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WeSkrongDen's picture

Some of his social media stuff was over the top but it did nothing. Fields still came here. I don't blame Tate at all for transferring (if he does). I think the writing is on the wall that Fields is Day's guy. It's a near lock Fields will start. At the QB position only one guy can play, so it makes no sense for Tate to sit behind a guy younger than him. Especially when he can start at other P5 schools to him. If I were his age and in his shoes I'd probably have been pissed too. I wish him the best of luck, whatever he does.

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CowCat's picture

I'm not a Tate hater, but I haven't read or seen enough from him that warrants him being the guaranteed starter.

In interviews with players they'll say "He's really fast and elusive", but you don't hear "He's one of the most accurate quarterbacks to ever play at TOSU". I'll trust in the coaches and players to make the right decision.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
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SpaceBuckeye's picture

I mean, he is only undefeated in high school (playing a national schedule), 3 time national championship and 2 time Gatorade player of the year.

He played against elite competition in high school (a lot of the 4 in 5 stars in college now). The kid can pass and run. His only downside is he is short (and attitude according to some). Would have easily been a 5* had he been 6'3"

Those who say they can and those who say they can't are both right. Which one are you?

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Ortonhallalumni's picture

It doesnt matter what you did in high school. Only matters what you can do at Ohio State. Lots of players blossom once they get a couple years in the program. Others max out in high school...We need the best players on the field if we want to continue to be a top level program. J. Burrow wanted an opportunity...he went to another program. Tate may start for OSU...but not if hes not in the program.

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Ohiostate1957's picture

Exactly - I wrestled in college at a top-5 program. State champions are a dime a dozen at that level. I was not a state champion but a walk-on. I found I could compete with and beat some of these guys. Trotting out one's high school accomplishments is like the time I wore my high school letterman's jacket on campus - I did it once and then never again - it felt foolish.

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

OS1957, I chuckled @ your letter jacket comment.

It reminds me of why I eventually removed and put away my high school class ring (once in college), and then my college class ring (once firmly working in the real world).

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pig4skin's picture

I have never read/heard anything negative about Tate on or off the field. He has been the consumate recruit and team player, promoting the Buckeyes and recruiting on behalf of the Buckeyes. Like Burrows, Tate was popular with his team mates. He was ready to engage in a healthy competition for the starting QB but appears he was up against a stacked deck. We cannot blame Tate for being a bitter after investing 2 years patiently waiting behind JT and Haskins. I wish him all the best and hope he will land on his feet like J Burrows.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

I, too, wish Tate all the best. I think if he finds the right spot that he'll be a very entertaining QB to watch. I personally like his upside more than Burrow's, but that's a different debate.

I think that some posters, Pig4skin, equate a prolific and sometimes provocative social media presence with bad behavior. Tate's been a pretty enthusiastic poster since HS as well, so it probably comes off to many as a guy who likes to stir the pot. I haven't heard of any missteps outside of this on campus and hope that other schools consider this when meeting with Martell. 

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Chicago Connection's picture

No hate for Tate here. Heck, he still might be our striating QB. 

Regardless of whatever Martell recently said, or why he said it (i.e., for better or worse, maybe it was a public trial balloon to see where he stood with Day?), far more importantly, by all accounts, the guy has been an exceptionally hard worker; he hasn't asked for any special treatment; he's been a great teammate by all accounts, as well as a great student and citizen; and beyond that...

Well, maybe he hasn't made the most judicious comments in the press, but in doing so, he's hurt himself more than anybody else. Moreover, actions should count more than words, and so, per what Tate is actually doing, it's nothing worse than Fields himself--i.e., he's analyzing his situation and fully exploring his options.

That being the case, we all know (and Tate knows) that only one QBs can start, and each college player has only one career with four years of eligibility, and as long as he's acting within the NCAA's rules, I can't blame him or anyone for trying to do what's best for themselves. 

I mean, geez, if Bosa can be forgiven for making money his clear priority over being a legendary star for the Buckeyes, it seems far more forgivable for a guy like Tate to simply seek to maximize his only opportunity to be a starter vs. sitting on the bench his whole career (and, thus far, he's patiently sat on the bench for two years). 

Oh, and let's also not forget that Fields wasn't part of "The Brotherhood" when Martell made his comments--he was still an SEC opponent, and Martell did, in fact, say that he'd be a good teammate if Fields did join the team. Plus, regardless of whether or not Tate transfers, his unsolicited comment, which basically amounted to saying, "watch what you wish for," isn't exactly considered to be bad advice.

The irony here is that now Tate needs to carefully consider his own advice to Fields about the grass being greener. 

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Some good points. The only thing is that Bosa wasn’t physically able to play again this year. He was still in recovery at the Rose Bowl.  He didn’t put the NFL over Buckeye legend status.  He was done when he was injured.

I suppose the biggest issue might be that he left the team to live with a Joey and focus exclusively on his recovery and not school w/recovery.  He couldn’t remain with the team if he stopped being a student at OSU. So, I don’t fault him for leaving and giving 100% to recovery time.

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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CowCat's picture

The stark reality is that we will have 4 quarterbacks and only 1 will start. That can't be avoided.

Joe Burrow left because he wasn't guaranteed the starting job prior to fall camp. Tate needs to make a similar choice, because Baldwin when healthy is an NFL-caliber passer. Fields can sling it and run all over people. The competition is fierce, as it should be.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
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CharlieBuckeye's picture

I am 54 y/o and have come to realize (by way of Tragic and unfortunate events in life) that if someone out there other than yourselves has done and/or said something that does not directly:

Affect your family and loved ones;

Affect your ability to provide for your family;

Affect your work....

Then move on. What is done is done.... Not a damn thing any of us can do about it to put the Genie back in the bottle.

GO BUCKEYES!!!!!

"To have a great life simply follow this rule:  Do not bring undo conflict into your life..."

Charlie Baker - OSU - 1986

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Ohiostate1957's picture

Then why are you on this (or any other) forum?

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b01000100's picture

Nah, the kid went full on Chase Winovich.  Everyone knows you don't go full Winovich.  He talked all kinds of shit on Twitter and in interviews.  Once he was put in a situation where he had to do anything of substance, he went for the easy way out.  He might stay at tOSU (doubtful), but he made it clear that he was a lot of talk with not much walk to back it up.

I don't think anyone necessarily hates him or wishes him ill will (though there are always the extreme cases in every group); I think it is more of a case of our perceptions of him have soured.  People love confidence and even cockiness, but Tate was putting up a cocky/confident facade that quickly crumbled when Fields was added.  There is no guarantee Fields will even play this year, even though it seems highly probably, yet Tate didn't even stick around to see.  

Unfortunately, sometimes Taters gonna Winovich.  Nobody wants to see that.  Perhaps Tate entering into the transfer portal was just a mirage, and we are all talking about something that didn't even happen.

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SC Buckete's picture

I’m just glad Twitter didn’t exist when I was 20 years old. 

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

My position on the Martell issue was simply that for a month he went public saying that no matter what he would fight and would win the starting job, he called fields an outsider, said he didn’t care who he had to compete against and that he was staying... then he enters the portal, moves back home, and acts like he was never on the squad...

it was just a very bad way to go about things. But in the grand scheme I hope he finds what it is he wants 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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Rascall's picture

The replies by some 11W members is as much of an indictment against them as the things that Tate has said and done that they are complaining about.
Whether he is right or wrong in what he says, I would expect adults to show a little more integrity instead of attacking someone who is this young and still just beginning to learn life's lessons.
Constructive criticism is a good thing, attacking like wolves is not.

From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I shall not put.

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Sanitarian2's picture

So at what age is it acceptable to critique a public figures actions? At what age can an adult be held accountable by anyone? How about 25, does the free pass get taken away at 25? All the young man did was act like a two year having a meltdown in Walmart but there's certainly nothing immoral about commenting on it. I don't see a  pack of wolves here, I see disappointed fans that took a young man at his word and feel a bit betrayed., just as be probably does to some extent.

Sani

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CudjoeBuckeye's picture

So fans feel betrayed and in many cases respond and act like 2 year olds, and that is okay? There have been plenty of idiotic comments from posters here. The thing is, none of us have any idea what discussions were had behind close doors before or after Fields officially transferred, so while it is fine to be disappointed, I for one am, in both the fact Tate is transferring and in how he did it, many of the posters should learn how to practice what they preach.

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stuckupnorth's picture

Wait, because he is an athlete at a university we like. He is allowed to say whatever he wants about whoever he wants, and it’s ok? It’s part of his swag/personal/competitive nature. But if someone even remotely suggests he is not the best fit at football it’s out of bounds. Most here have not taken to a personal level with him. People might say immature, cocky, spoiled etc... However most have not been harsh at all and are ready to move on. I hope dude finds somewhere OSU asu UCLA or local community college to set him to adult in life. The same as I hope for the kids in my neighborhood. I wish him the best.

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Amazing that some still can’t the name Joe Burrow correct. 

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Lifetime45's picture

I harbor no ill will but I am not going start a Go Fund Me page to finance a statue for him either.

Everything we do has an effect; good or bad.

being an adult means owning the results of our actions; good or bad.

He needs to do what he feels is best for him.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

I agree that the Tate bashing is ridiculous, but at the risk of sounding like a broken record . . . Justin Fields runs a 4.5 and is a dangerous running threat. Maybe the offense is evolving under Day, but if Fields is the starting QB in 2019, Day/Yurcich/Wilson will run plenty of read option runs and find other ways to utilize Fields’ feet. The reason(s) for Martell going into the transfer portal probably having nothing to do with offensive system. 

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

I wanted Tate to start here. The only downside to his game is his height and we just saw Kyler Murray make that argument irrelevant. Tate’s skill set is very similar to Murray. He’s shifty like Braxton, decisive in the read option like JTB and throws at least as good as Joe Burrow.  I thought Day could  do wonders with that skill set. 

I still believe a lot of the JTB haters turned on Martell because they don’t want the read option back in the offense. I hope it comes back some. It worked for us. Haskins went to another level once he started being a run threat. The Tate hate is part projection of fear of returning to a 20-25 QB run offense. 

I had NO problem with his comments until he dissed Fields personally and tried to dissuade him publicly from coming here. That’s because that’s not a team first mentality. We needed a QB. Why not get the best one available? We try to do that every year in recruiting! Would Tate have this reaction if Fields was a true freshman? We just saw a true freshman win the NC. We’d better expect our coach to go recruit the best.  Heck, that’s why Tate is at Ohio State and Danny Clark is not. So, yes, Tate brought some scrutiny on himself with his words, esp. about Fields. 

My belief is Tate meant he was gonna earn his job but he got bad advice & came to feel lied to/betrayed by Day. He put his name in the portal because it gave him some leverage. Now he can talk to other teams. He’s not declared he’s leaving. Now, it quickly went to unlikely that he’s returning due to ongoing polarization. But he could still decide to compete here and keep his options fully open, which is just smart business. BTW... he still has Ohio State pictures and tweets on his timelines. He didn’t scrub everything.

In the end, I feel for the guy and wish he stayed to compete and see what happened in the spring. He didn’t trust the competition would be fair, as Joe Burrow did last year... he wanted to make sure he had a fair shot. He only decided to transfer when Urban told him the competition would continue in the fall. Because if age, it was now or never for Joe. Tate had the luxury of time but he’s also wanted to start from day 1. Some people have patience (Baldwin) others don’t. To each their own. Whatever happens, I will be thankful Tate chose OSU for 2 years and helped this program win games. I wish him well, whatever course he takes. 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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Ohiostate1957's picture

Exactly what leverage did that get him? Future starting position? Future team leader? Other?

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

The leverage of being able to talk openly with other programs. No one could talk to him if he was still one of our players. That's like tampering in the NFL. 

Day/OSU went out and courted QBs and ultimately, Fields. 

Tate putting his name in the portal puts him on more even playing field. He has at least some power in the situation and over his future, whereas if he didn't do anything at all he might be looking at sparse options at the end of spring ball. 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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Ohiostate1957's picture

You can't leverage yourself - you gain leverage with others.

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Disagree, respectfully.

You can leverage yourself. Especially in today’s world. That’s why there is so much personal branding. 

He gained leverage with Ohio State coaches. The portal gives him a chance to be a free agent of sorts. Free agency gives him more leverage than just sticking around to compete.  It means he can explore his options with other programs while competing here (if he wanted to go that route).

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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sanbuckeye's picture

You bring up a good point about Trevor Lawrence. How much hard work and commitment to the program did he have before becoming the starter over Bryant? Hadn't Bryant put in his time for two years behind Watson and then led the team to the playoffs the following year? And yet, Lawrence was named the starter by the coach in September. Point is, Martell putting in a couple of years at OSU is really not all that special, nor does it entitle him to be the starter. The coach decides who the starters are. There are plenty of guys at OSU that put in their time and effort without ever starting a game. I respect Hurts. Lost the starting position, but stayed and worked for his team all year and was there for them when they called on him to win a big game.

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Chicago Connection's picture

The other factor in this thing is that Burrow's exit provides a kind of model for other Buckeye QBs that might not see the field. Other than making some ill-advised public comments, Tate's situation is pretty similar to his--not the exact same, but pretty close--and if he winds up elsewhere and then enjoys as much success as Joe Burrow, we can expect to see more of the thing.

On the surface, this development doesn't seem like an ideal trend, since you'd like to see as many top QBs in camp competing for the starting role. That said, if we still wind up with top talent like Haskins or Fields starting, on top of which, we can recruit still more top talent because they know what the worst they can do if they come to Ohio State is either start here or transfer to another top program, but in any case, enjoy a fabulous college career, well, on second thought...

Maybe it is an ideal trend, and so, rather than fight it, or bash Martell (even if his comments invited some backlash), we ought to embrace these developments as potentially a big and unique selling point for top QB recruits (i.e., the ceiling for QBs is exceptionally high if you come to Ohio State, and, oh, yeah, the basement for OSU QBs is exceptionally high!).

I mean, right now, any top QB looking for the best program has got to say, "man, even if I don't become a star at Ohio State, they'll set me up as a star elsewhere, and where the Hell else am I going to get that kind of development and treatment? So... sign me up now!"

chicagobuckeye

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cmillertime247's picture

I think it’s safe to say that TM wasn’t exactly representing “Buckeye Nation” the best either. In my opinion, he was embarrassing the program with his shit talking to Fields. If he was a real competitor wouldn’t he try to help bring in the best talent to the program? He ran his mouth on social media and to the news and when shit got real and he realized it was actually happening, he takes the first bus out of town. I’m not attacking the kid personally or questioning his talent but I am attacking the the dialogue that he started and put out there. I’m not sure this is the type of player we want at Ohio St. seems to be all about himself. 

Go for two only because you can't go for three

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GoBucksOSU's picture

The problem is that he is going to transfer before spring ball after talking all that shit about Justin Fields. No one would have a problem if he just decided to transfer without the drama.

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neo's picture

Criticizing Tate's tweets, persona, and resulting transfer isn't "hating". I don't hate the kid, but I can express my distaste with how he handled all of this. I have no doubt him and Coach Day had a heart to heart, and that Coach Day told him the offensive philosophy of the future may not be exactly suited to his skill set. I have no problem with him transferring. It's his attitude, and having an issue with his attitude isn't in the same realm as "hate". 

"Let's beat the shit out of Michigan. Have a good night." - UFM

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Iwannagobacktoohiostate's picture

This is not a Tate specific comment, but I want to share a story if I may (we all have one):

I was in the USAF.  I had a skill set the commander needed.  But like so many, I wanted to be put into the BEST job that better suited my future promotion potential (I was late-rated and would need help for promotion).  I was needed as a leader in the worst section of our squadron.  It was not a fun job, there were few public victories and the job was not going to get me promoted.   I bitched and complained to all of my friends seeking some "buy in" that I was personally treated "in the wrong" and that I should be "entitled" to a better position.

One day, my best friend said, "you need to put yourself in the Commander's shoes.  What would YOU do?  put yourself in a position that others are better suited for to help your career, or put you where you are needed to better his squadron now and today"

At the end of the day, my career did not turn out as I had HOPED or planned, but I did have a stellar flying career and became an outstanding instructor pilot to many young upcoming pilots, BUT I never held command.  I know I know I know.  SOB story.   But here is are my points:

1.  I got to fly for the greatest Air Force in the world, and operate some bad-ass, high tech, equipment.  (I wore the Scarlet and Gray, got gold pants, and played inside Ohio Stadium)

2.  Athough, I was not a commander (star QB), others looked up to me as a LEADER (smartest guy in the QB room) and I cherished the opportunity

3.  I realized these facts, and decided that I needed to be the best instructor pilot (future college COACH, not star NFL player)

4.  There was a spot for me on the team, it just wasn't the one I wanted at the time (the coach has to put the team first, not individuals...someone may even have to eat a shit sandwich from time to time....it's not personal)

5.  It all worked out in the end.  I am now retired (have a very lucrative airline pilot job) and although I was upset for a long time, everything works out for the best.

Thank you all.   Go Buckeyes!!!!

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Iwanna, thanks for sharing and Thank You for your service. I’m sure many a young pilot was well taught. Pay it Forward. 

My short story is regarding my former employer. I was among the best in my role but a change in ownership {much like Day taking over} went down and they wanted their people. Didn’t matter my performance. They started to force me out in different ways. I was filled w resentment, etc until it came to a head and I gave them what they wanted. Luckily we are in a position where I could tell them where to go. 

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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BuckeyeInDenver's picture

Couple things: 1) Whether Tate stays at OSU or not, I’ve always thought he seemed like a huge douche as a person, and have said as much since he was being recruited. The shirtless pretty boy modeling pics he posted on IG as a high schooler were some of the more embarrassing I’ve ever seen. That said, my personal feelings about a player’s personality/demeanor/views/etc. have next to no bearing on my ability to root for them (god knows there are things about the Bosas that I find repugnant—won’t go into detail out of respect for the comment policy [lol] but you can probably figure it out—but they are two of my all time favorite Buckeye football players). So he’s a tool, but if he’s the starting QB for OSU (he won’t be), I’ll still root for him.

2) Per his Instagram “story” (temporary photos that disappear after 24 hours, for those of you unfamiliar), he was in Columbus yesterday. So, no, he is not back in Vegas with his family. Doesn’t mean he’s still in school or with the team, but he is in Ohio nevertheless.

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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3rdtimesacharm's picture

You seem pretty ate up about tate. Why do you think he is a douche? Im asking cause im guessing you dont know him well. And why are you all bothered by his instagram? Seems kinda weird. Im guessing, based on some of your other comments on this forum, your issues with him and the bosas has more to do with their skin color than anything else.

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BuckeyeInDenver's picture

I'm a white guy who lives in Denver, dude. The reverse racism accusation is a weird angle, but whatever. I assure you that my dislike of Tate and the Bosas on a personal level has everything to do with the former's primadonna personality and the latter's outspoken political views with which I disagree strongly.

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3rdtimesacharm's picture

white guy from denver? Lol considering that demographic, its not a weird angle at all. As for tate, he’s not a primadonna. Kid is just a competitor that feels he earned his shot to start and was defending it. It is abundantly obvious that after the fields commit, he was told by the coaching staff he is not the right fit and its best for him to leave. I’ve never met anybody who would like that situation. 

If you’re personally offended by bosa’s political stances then idk what to say. There are way more celebrities that are outspoken in favor of what you believe. Does that mean the opposition should be personally offended too? 

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BuckeyeInDenver's picture

Considering what demographic, exactly? I get the sense that you don't know as much about Colorado and its culture as you seem to think you do. Also, I'm not sure anything about Martell's transfer is "abundantly obvious" at this point.

I'm not "personally offended" by the Bosas' politics, either. This isn't complicated--political views are a direct reflection of one's values, and many of theirs are largely antithetical to my own. They use their platform--Nick, in particular--to espouse opinions re: US politics that I find odious; therefore, I don't think highly of them on a personal level. But as I said, that has no bearing on my willingness to root for them. I loved watching both of them play for the Buckeyes.

Furthermore, I don't think you know enough about my politics to suggest that "celebrities" share them. But that is neither here nor there.

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swflbuckeye1's picture

I 100% can get behind a player transferring. I actually rooted for Joe Burrow this year. He competed lost the job and transferred. I didn’t hold it against him that he didn’t want to remain a buckeye and backup Haskins. I would have felt the same about Martell if he had not mentioned anything about competing with Fields and being 100% positive he will win the job. I wouldn’t have even cared if he left before spring ball if he hadn’t opened his mouth. How hard would it had been to keep his mouth shut send a nice letter to buckeye nation and transfer. The problem I have with Tate is that he appears full of crap. He’ll say whatever sounds right in the moment and has no intention of backing up the talk. So while I don’t fault tate For transferring and not wanting to compete with Fields. I do fault him for yelling out that he will beat Fields for the job only to run away as soon as Fields gets on campus. I equate this with the guy at the bar yelling “I’ll kick your ass I swear”. Only to run out of the bar when the guy actually takes him up on the fight.  

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TPsTeaCan's picture

Don’t think most people are doubting him as an athlete, he’s just a weenie

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stuckupnorth's picture

The real question??? Is this the week Braxton throws it. Or do they save it for Michigan 

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BBQ_Fan's picture

In fairness to him, he should have had the right to explore transfer opportunities in private. For all we know, he may have discussed that option with Day and the staff and received their blessing and support if he decided to stay. However, didn't that get leaked by someone outside OSU? Seems the negative reactions started when that became public. 

That being said, he's getting a hard lesson in the downside risk of being a social media star.

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Bigmarty's picture

Loyalty is not mentioned above.  It is a dead concept today.  It is not appreciated or respected, often not recognized and understood, like with UFM and Earle Bruce.  But if Tate and his family valued that concept, then he would have made his decisions in private instead of risking a split in his teams locker room.  That is my criticism of the Tates.  Keep your mouth shut for the sake of the guys and move on.

Not sure that loyalty could co-exist with the the recent emphasis on the ME.  Just go to a youth soccer or little league game and listen to the parents. 

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Timbucktoo's picture

Loyalty is very much alive and well, but has its place. There is a reason it is strongly suggested that people in positions of power not hire family and friends. When my livelihood and reputation are on the line, I want the best people for the job.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

I think sooner than later Tate will announce he is transferring to WVU or somewhere like that. The instagram post of him visiting this weekend and they have an opening. Run his style of offense. It will be a good deal for everyone. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Mips19's picture

The Kid is upset and has every right to be upset.  He waited his turn and then Day gets some fancy new toy, everybody forgets about Tate.  I think he was hurt when Urban, Dwayne, Justin all went to a BB game together.  He knows his style doesn’t fit as well as Fields with Day coaching.  I think he might stick around to see if Fields gets his waiver.  I sincerely hope he transfers somewhere he can play and does a great job.  Remember he wouldn’t even be the back up if Joe Borrow wouldn’t have left.  I would have loved to see Tate and Fields battle for the starting spot.  Baldwin should be a fine backup then Jack Miller gets here and we have two quality back ups.  You can’t expect someone like Martell to wait forever.  He didn’t lose a game in high school (while playing the best teams across the country) and he was the Gatorade national player of the year, he deserves a shot to play.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Nobody is entitled to just take over. This is big time football. He has to earn it and if he beat out Fields he would have earned it. He shot his mouth off and then tucked tail and ran away. Didn't even try to battle Fields. That tells me everything I need to know.

Deserves got nothing to do with anything. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

The two teams that have standing reservations for the CFP CG, Clemson and Alabama, have made the two most celebrated QB switches in history within season and game, respectively. They also have the two newest sets of rings. Anybody that can't come to grips with the "best player plays" approach will simply be left watching the playoff from home. 

And, besides, it looks as if Martell won't even stay to compete for the job. 

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stxbuck's picture

Exactly. Martell chose to play/compete upon the biggest stage possible-tOSU. If he wanted instant playing time/starter minutes, he could have signed w/ Colorado or UNLV or Nevada-and I wouldn't criticize him for it. Qbs need to look out for #1 when it comes to playing time, but that has nothing to do w/ Martell's social media antics, which he is being criticized for.

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keith7456's picture

The ONLY thing that he deserved was a CHANCE to win the job and he would have had that if he stayed and competed with Fields in the spring. Also no one knows yet whether Fields will be eligible. Martell ducked and ran as soon as he felt he wasn't good enough to win the job. 

This wouldn't have become an issue if he didn't talk trash first. If he would have just kept his mouth shut and transferred we wouldn't even bat an eye at it. 

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kmp10's picture

The ONLY thing that he deserved was a CHANCE to win the job and he would have had that if he stayed and competed with Fields in the spring. Also no one knows yet whether Fields will be eligible. Martell ducked and ran as soon as he felt he wasn't good enough to win the job. 

You don't know any of this to be true. You have no idea what Martell was told between roughly 9pm PST on January 1, 2019 and the ten days that followed prior to him entering 'the portal.' If you do know, I wish to hell you'd share it with the rest of us. It's curious, at least to me, that Martell was adamant, and extremely comfortable and confident, in saying that he believed he was going to be the quarterback at Ohio State in 2019, and saying so despite knowing that Fields was coming... and then, almost immediately after Ryan Day takes charge, Martell does a 180 and decides to leave. It seems logical, at least to me, that in that aforementioned ten day period Day sat Martell and his family down and was brutally honest with them, seemingly telling them that Martell is not the odds on favorite to be the OSU QB moving forward, that Justin Fields is a far better fit for what Day, not Meyer, but Day wants to do offensively, and that it might be in Martell's best interest to transfer, because although no one is guaranteed the job, Fields is being brought in to run a specific style of offense, a style that Martell's skill set doesn't fit. Ryan Day has watched Martell for two years now. During that time, Martell has done great work academically, he's never been in trouble off the field, and he's performed very well in his limited opportunities, but it seems despite that resume Ryan Day doesn't believe that Tate Martell is the best option to direct his offense, and it also seems that Martell found that out sometime between the post Rose Bowl presser and January 10 when his name appeared in the transfer portal. Simply saying that Martell ran his mouth (which he did) and then got scared and ran away from the competition is far too simple, imo, and just doesn't make any sense. 

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

I can see that, KMP. The only caveat is that someone (dad, mom, another coach, etc.) got to him and convinced him that the competition wouldn't be fair. Whatever happened, it's clear he stopped trusting Day. Before mom's Twitter went private...she was tweeting out memes of "LIAR" repeatedly. The family came to believe that OSU/Day lied to them. I don't think Day is that kind of guy. Clearly, though, the Martell family expectations were different than Day's. 

Also important to note that after the Rose Bowl and before the "portal" entry...Ohio State hired Yurcich to be pass game/QB/co-OC. Yurcich's OkState offenses didn't feature read-option. It's more spread to run, air-raid, RPO. I think Tate could do that but he could believe that a new coach wouldn't tailor the offense to him in the same way.

Tate hedged his bets and went to the portal.  I wish it was a "keep his options open move" while staying here to compete. 

You win with people. 

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kmp10's picture

I don't do twitter, SB74, so I have no earthly clue what Tate Martell's mom is or is not posting. I'll defer to you there, and I agree that someone conveyed to Martell in the ten day period between the Rose Bowl and the portal that he was not going to be the quarterback. Now, who that person was is up for debate (well, all of it's up for debate because I don't know anything). My opinion is that Ryan Day, despite it not being in his program's best interest, was honest with Martell and the writing suddenly appeared on the wall. "Liar" could be in reference to Day... or to Meyer, or to any number of people, but those insisting that the sequence of events are limited to... Tate ran his mouth, Fields came to OSU, Tate ran away scared... are dramatically oversimplifying the thing, imo. 

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LB U's picture

Imagine Ryan Day telling Tate Martell to go kick rocks after publicly stating that they need 4 qb's on roster at all times. I refuse to believe Ryan Day is that stupid. He probably told Martell (if he told him anything) that he would have to compete and Tate got offended since he had already self-proclaimed himself as the starter publicly, on many different platforms, several times. (which btw, was incredibly disrespectful to Baldwin)

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keith7456's picture

IMO: Tate was talking trash when there was just talk(albeit it seemed inevitable) about fields coming hoping that Fields would change his mind and go elsewhere. Then when it was official that Fields was coming Tate turned and ran. NO ONE or almost no one would have a problem with Tate leaving if he didn't run his mouth beforehand. I have no problem with guys ever transferring to give them selves a better chance but just don't talk shit about doing one thing and then do the opposite.

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LawClub's picture

Well put, KMP 10.  It explains Martell's recent actions and speaks well of Day, also, if he leveled with him.  Of course it could be Tate just reading tea leaves. 

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LouBuck35's picture

What you did in high school doesn't mean shit once you get to big boy football. Undefeated in high school? Tough shit, prove it and beat someone out. Imagine a player telling Saban he deserves to start because he was a bad ass in high school and paid his dues on the bench for 2 years in college.

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

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keith7456's picture

Also he was NOT undefeated in high school.

Martell attended Poway High School, the local high school where he grew up, but was only able to lead them to a 4-7 season. He then transferred to Bishop Gorman High School in Las Vegas, Nevada.[2] He attended Bishop Gorman for his sophomore, junior and senior seasons.

He was undefeated once he transferred to a school with better talent around him.

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Osusam77's picture

So many of you are so quick to pass judgement. Whether it’s TM or another player.  If you don’t like what he’s done or said-  fine. You have the right to express your opinion and it is welcomed here. But look at the name calling on this site from people who never met the kid or his family or don’t have a clue what really happened. We just don’t know the facts - 

I wish every kid who selects OSU as their school the best even if I don’t agree with whatever. 

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Sanitarian2's picture

Why is that your line in the sand, you don't wish any other "kids" the best just because they didn't attend your school of choice? Shouldn't we wish the best for all "kids"?

Sani

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Osusam77's picture

I’m a Buckeye. I wish them well too, but I care more about buckeye nation. I don’t walk up to strangers with other team shirts on, but I do if they have a OSU shirt on. 

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stxbuck's picture

Just curious-if most of us have never met Martell-as I certainly imagine is the case, should we A-take our opinions of him from his social media activity-which he voluntarily creates, or B-willfully ignore the only public evidence of his persona that 99.9% of us have-his social media presence-when forming our opinions of his behavior in this case?

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Bucks19's picture

Here’s my deal. Tate should have kept his F-ing mouth shut!!!!! He pops off then transfers. Don’t care what he does wherever he goes. He would have been a problem had he stayed and lost the job. 

Goodbye!

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Just don't like the way he has handled it. Say less and do more. Just seems to be trolling OSU with the tweets, the social media posts of him visiting wvu, trolled Fields in an interview with local and Atlanta media. If you want to go, then go. Just do your business and leave. 

Want to stay then stay and compete. Show me don't tell me. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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NoVAsmitty's picture

^^^^^^^ This ^^^^^^

Living one's life on social media seems a generational/cultural lifestyle that I don't understand.  I hope Tate takes this as a learning experience.  His first two years as a Buckeye he earned a lot of respect and credibility by working hard, doing well in class, being a great teammate, a talented backup QB, etc.  But in less than two weeks by his own actions, he's lost a lot, if not all, of that respect, at least with most of Buckeye Nation it appears.  In all of our lives, we've had the opportunities to emulate good examples/role models and bad examples/role models.  Tate could have/should have emulated Joe Burrow, Jalen Hurts, Jacob Eason, even Justin Fields, to name a few.  Instead, he is sort of emulating Kelly Bryant.  That said, I cringed when Urban took Fields and Haskins to the basketball game.  That was also bad form.

However, Tate is only entitled to a chance to compete for the starting job.  There are no guarantees of starter or "its your job to lose."  That wasn't the case last Spring.  Why should Tate think it should be the case this Spring?  Dwayne Haskins had also put in two years and a ttun come from behind victory.  Joe Burrow had put in three years.  Neither of them were declared "its their job to lose."  Why does Tate deserve that crowning?  I wish Tate the best, but I doubt he's going to get that guarantee anywhere else.

“I intend to make Georgia howl.” General William Tecumseh Sherman

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Ohiostate1957's picture

The way Tate is going about this is like the 1984 Colts' midnight move from Baltimore to Indianapolis - Irsay had the right to make the move but the fault was in the execution which left a lingering bad taste in the mouths of the Baltimore fans.

Burrow leaving was like McArthur's farewell speech to Congress.

Tate is acting like this:

Just sayin'.

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BBQ_Fan's picture

Burrow leaving was like McArthur's farewell speech to Congress.

Interesting analogy 1957. I'm sure you used it because Burrow handled things with a lot of class. I was thinking though, that one of the reasons McArthur was invited to give that speech in the first place was because President Truman had essentially fired him for insubordination (regarding conduct of the Korean War.)

Also, McArthur did not have a verfied Twitter account at the time  ;-)

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Ohiostate1957's picture

I think he had the overwhelming support of the public and Congress - that's why he was invited. Truman's public support was at 26%. He did just step aside and "fade away." But you are right - he was fired for writing a letter to the House Republican Minority leader disagreeing with the President's view of engaging China in the Korean war. He was fired after that letter became public.

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BBQ_Fan's picture

Yes Mac got the hero's welcome back home and in DC and the R's in Congress were hoping he would run in 1952. Pondering use of nuclear weapons in Korea and even directly against China is so  much more interesting than discussing what Tate Martell's Mom thinks!

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GunnerBuck's picture

I have no issue with Tathan. He could have handled the  whole situation differently and I really wish he’d stick around to at least battle for the job like he insinuated he would. I think being on the team, battling it out and even losing QB1 and transferring in the summer is a much better option for him. He’s free to do as he pleases obviously and he’s obvioisly an emotional person so hopefully he makes the right decision for him  

In my opinion.

"Come on, you sons of b!tches! Do you want to live forever?" -- Dan Daly, WWI

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Evannati's picture

Yes to this.  More than likely Tate loves football and loves to PLAY football, not watch.  He knows he is probably not an NFL-caliber player, at least at QB.  But he knows he could be a helluva college QB in the right system a la Manziel, Tebow, Braxton, JT, etc.  He only has three years left.  I don't blame him for moving on.  I think the snark probably comes from realizing how close he was to being the man at Ohio State with a legend coaching him.  It has to hurt and he has to be pissed/broken-hearted.  

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

I certainly don't hate him and I never will, unless he bashes Ohio State when he leaves.

I believe he should be allowed to transfer and play immediately given the change in coaching situation, which no longer favors his type of QB play. 

Having said all that, he may have bitten off his nose to spite his face by burning bridges with Ohio State.  He may not get immediate eligibility and I'm not sure what his case is.  If as I've heard he could graduate soon, he ought to have put his energies into that, actually competed this spring for the starting job (we don't even know for sure Fields will be ruled eligible), and then transferred later ala Burrow with immediate eligibility.   As far as Ohio State is concerned, however, he might be locker room poison at this point and that may offset the benefit of depth.

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OnPoint's picture

I have never posted anything negative about Tate, but the way he left OSU is not sitting well with me.

He was here for two years; Day and other coaches invested in him; he received high-quality education from this institution; he built camaraderie with his teammates. But now he has deleted OSU from his (at least online) life. Has he nothing good to say about the institute or teammates that he has left behind? Unless he was treated unfairly, which I have seen no evidence of, I don't appreciate his behavior.

Nut on top

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GIBS_STI's picture

I don’t blame the kid. He wants to start. Everything was set for him to take over and that door was closed. Coaching changes, transfers etc. I hope he gets to play immediately wherever he goes. 

Fortune favors the bold.

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

He may have said things on social media that he shouldn’t have. Maybe a bit immature or maybe just hurt. Who knows?

I think most of the perceived "bashing" has been limited to commentary on that. We've ALL seen it worse than here than the commentary on Martell, most of which has been closer to teasing him for his blowhard ways than real criticism.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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MindSurfr's picture

I reserve my judgement on Tate until the fall... 1) we will see if he remains on the team or transfers out to another school by then 2) if he remains, we will see how supportive of the TEAM he will be 3) if he leaves, we will see how much support the team has of him on another team (like love/support of Burrow @ LSU)
Was his leadership and brotherhood just in his head or is it reality... it will all be revealed in Autumn 2019

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JT4Heisman's picture

No hathan on tathan

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Buckeyeneer's picture

I thought Tate's tweets were in poor taste and not my style, but I did like the confidence . . . kind of a "he might be a jerk, but he's our jerk" sort of thing (kind of like OSU/Browns fans hated Baker just a year ago be until he became "our jerk"). I had heard some like Stan Jackson on 105.7 say it wasn't confidence, it was insecurity. I wasn't sure if it was confidence or insecurity until Tate didn't back it up. In any case, I can't go from super excited to see what Tate would do at OSU to hating on the kid. I hope he finds success elsewhere.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes

THE Ohio State University

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Spivan's picture

Personally, I have no issues with him,  I just think it was incredibly petty of him to run his mouth about how he guaranteed he would win the starting job over anyone who came in, because they wouldn't be able to learn the offense, and that he wouldn't transfer for any reason...  then turns tail and runs?

If he was really as good as he believes he is, why not stay and prove it?

Best of luck to him, but he made himself look very foolish.

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Earthoid.'s picture

Tate hurt a lot of peoples' feeling here on the board.  It's understandable that all these beautiful snowflakes make their displeasure known.  I certainly was aghast when Tate acted like the immature 20 yo that he is after having the rug ripped out of from underneath him.  Soon all of us snowflakes here on the board will all clump together forming a beautiful snowball and then we'll get a right manly man to throw us in Tathan's face.  

The Couban embargo.
Plays guitar and makes iced tea in the winter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgiM_ypFsRQ <--- scum tears

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HOLYbucknut's picture

I don’t want to hear anything about snow after yesterday.

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teddyballgame's picture

Would Tate be running the read option stuff?  That's just not my style.  

Very relieved we got Fields.  Fingers crossed he becomes eligible

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

The way Georgia used Fields was very much as a read-option QB. Looks a lot like Cam Newton did running the read-option. I'm very okay with Fields running the read option like Cam Newton did/does. 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

9 Units Strong!

 

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Spivan's picture

If the read-option leads to wins and a national title.  It works for me.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Per Wiltfong 

West Virginia today

Visits Miami tomorrow

Louisville sometime this next week if it gets to that.

Looks to be done for good at Ohio State. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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James Varney's picture

We should remember all the characters in this drama have been whipsawed by events. In a month, Urban is gone, Day is trying to make himself head coach, and Justin Fields suddenly gets announced as a Buckeye. That's a lot for a young guy like Martell to go through: sees his prime recruiter and supporter of the sort of offense Martell could be a big star in depart, and a guy who was an even higher rated QB recruit (let's not forget Martell was a top notch recruit) come out of nowhere. On the flip side, Day would of course love to have a Fields want to come and express a desire to come, and he, Day, needs to assert himself in a situation in which he's replacing a legend. So a lot of *big* moving parts here.

I wish Ohio State the best; and hope that Day is very successful. I also love all the guys who sweat and play for Ohio State, including Martell. All of this will pass.

Beat Michigan!

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Great points. Context always matters.

You win with people. 

And so forth...

9 Units Strong!

 

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Kevdaddy8's picture

In every team locker room I’ve ever been in and every gym I’ve ever trained in and with every opponent I ever competed against the interpretation of what Tate did would be very simple. His mouth wrote a bunch of checks that in the end his ass couldn’t cash.  And even before the bill came due, he made it perfectly clear that he’s only a fighter when his plan is working. But everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.  Please don’t ever compare this little turd to Joe Burrow.  Though I was a Haskins guy all along, Joe showed nerve and moxie and character when the fight got hottest.  Joe wasn’t scared to compete and he wasn’t diva enough do his fighting on social media while shrinking from a real battle. 

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Ohiostate1957's picture

So true. Let your actions, not your mouth (or tweet typing), do the talking.

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Denver Bucknut's picture

You all  better think about your own jobs. Someone at your job leaves and you've been groomed for two years to replace him or her. Suddenly, the boss brings in someone from the outside, leaving you in the cold.   You'd run your your mouth about the situation until you realize there's nothing you can do about. Of course all the company will say is that they just went in a different direction. Man, I'm totally behind Tate's decision. Maybe we'll see him again when the Bucks play Cinci.

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aboynamedtracy's picture

No, that's not what you'd do if you had any bit of professionalism. You'd probably start looking for a new job, which makes perfect sense. But no one even halfway sensible would start burning bridges.

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Ortonhallalumni's picture

The best players are going to play..that's the way it should be...this is not Junior high.

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Kevdaddy8's picture

It wasn’t his job. He never won it. He never started at Ohio State, not once. Was he the favorite?  Ask Matthew Baldwin. 

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buckeyedude's picture

I read about 1/4 of the first section of comments.

I now have a headache.  

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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Denver Bucknut's picture

Excuse me "tracy"  but I never said a word about quitting at that moment. I only said you couldn't do anything about it. Explain to me how Tate could could get another job without going on the transfer roster. i.e. Quitting.

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aboynamedtracy's picture

WTF? I didn't say peep about quitting. My point was no one who's a professional would throw a tantrum even if she / he felt treated unfairly. Quietly move on to another position and not burn bridges. And you sure as hell wouldn't reach out beforehand to other applicants and tell them to not to bother interviewing.

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Ortonhallalumni's picture

He could out-perform the other players and earn a starting position.

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Woody The Historian's picture

Love Tate. Wish he would stay on board. I still thought he could win the job. 

Fields has great skill sets - So does Tate - and he is not far behind.

Tate has that Buckeye "Want To" - He is gritty tough and refuses to lose. He wants to be a Buckeye and I hope something shakes out where we still see him compete to win this job. It is not over until it is over.

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BuckAlum09's picture

He wants to be a Buckeye

*raises hand*

If you could expand on that part because (insert 4-5 recent events) would suggest that he does not.

"...and when we win the game, we'll buy a keg of booze. And we'll drink to old Ohio till we wobble in our shoes."

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Ohiostate1957's picture

When the going gets tough the tough

run to the transfer portal
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Beantown_Buckeye's picture

If you're going to be cocky and make controversial statements and run your mouth you had better at least attempt to back it up. The backlash against Tate is all because he ran his mouth, possibly to attempt to stop Fields from enrolling, and jumped ship instead of competing. It was Tate's decision to run his mouth and if you choose to go that route you are choosing to get some backlash. Nobody made him say and tweet controversial things. Had he showed some humility he would have gotten a lot of sympathy back from Buckeye fans for ending up in a situation without the Head Coach and OC who recruited him.

I don't hate Tate, but I'm now glad he's going elsewhere. Fair or not, Tate had the label of a coddled star athlete who got whatever he wanted and the handling of this situation has confirmed that to those who already felt that way. He made the situation awkward and untenable when I think most Buckeye fans wanted to see him go out and use that confidence to work to beat Fields and Baldwin out on the field. I wish the kid no ill will and hope he can win a starting job elsewhere. 

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Ohiostate1957's picture

THE BALLAD OF SIR TATHAN*

Bravely bold Sir Tathan
Rode forth from Camelot. 
He was not afraid to die, 
Oh brave Sir Tathan 
He was not at all afraid 
To be killed in nasty ways. 
Brave, brave, brave, brave Sir Tathan.

He was not in the least bit scared 
To be mashed into a pulp. 
Or to have his eyes gouged out, 
And his elbows broken. 
To have his kneecaps split 
And his body burned away, 
And his limbs all hacked and mangled 
Brave Sir Tathan.

His head smashed in 
And his heart cut out 
And his liver removed 
And his bowls unplugged 
And his nostrils raped 
And his bottom burnt off 
And his penis...
("That's, that's enough music for now lads, there's dirty work afoot.") 

Brave Sir Tathan ran away. 
("No!") 
Bravely ran away away. 
("I didn't!") 
When danger reared it's ugly head, 
He bravely turned his tail and fled. 
("I never!") 
Yes, brave Sir Tathan turned about 
And gallantly he chickened out. 
("You're lying!") 
Swiftly taking to his feet, 
He beat a very brave retreat. 
Bravest of the brave, Sir Tathan!

(* Credit to Monty Python and the Holy Grail)

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Tresselball4life's picture

I don't get the part where everyone is calling him cocky for the way he answered.  Watch the video.  He responds like any normal person would.  He gave fans what they wanted to hear, he would stay and compete.  Yet everyone is bagging on him for being cocky.  Anyways, he is leaving according to 247, so I hope all you people who wanted him to leave are happy.

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Netbuck's picture

I dont think hardly anyone wanted him to leave. Everyone was hoping he'd compete for the starting job, if he won it over fields and Baldwin that would be great for the team. People just wanted him to prove it on the field and in the locker room instead of on twitter.

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OSU56's picture

Tate just wants to play, hope he finds his opportunity.

Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.

 

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JimmyVanP's picture

This is a DM with Haskins btw

"I feel ready for whatever awaits me on the other side. I don’t fear adversity. I don’t fear the spotlight. I don’t fear success. And I don’t fear failure." - Braxton Miller

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JimmyVanP's picture

Yeah Haskins sent Tate this when he decommitted from A&M and was trending towards OSU.  Was a little before the Army All American game I think... so 2 years old.  My friend is boys with Haskins from Maryland that's how I knew about it then.

"I feel ready for whatever awaits me on the other side. I don’t fear adversity. I don’t fear the spotlight. I don’t fear success. And I don’t fear failure." - Braxton Miller

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Few things for those Tate enablers:

1. Go watch QB1 Season 1 and see how he comes across. 

2. Last year he didn't show up for training camp and had to be talked out of transferring then. 

3. Goes on the record about how he isn't leaving, ready to compete. Says it is his job discounting Matthew Baldwin totally. Says he loves his teammates and promptly bails on them.

4. Goes on the record with the Atlanta newspaper saying he does not want to ever get to know Fields. Trolls and baits Fields several times on Twitter. 

5. After all that talk, he immediately puts his name in the transfer portal, tucking tail and running. Trolls OSU with social media posts of the schools he is visiting. 

6. This all after committing to 3 different schools to begin with. 

I do not nor will not feel sorry for a 20 year old person who says one thing and does another and acts like an entitled child that has never been told no. At 20, I was working full time, finishing up my degree at OSU and expecting a child. That is real world. 

If Tate Martell does not get his way he promptly moves on or in this case, quits on his team. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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bd2999's picture

He is getting some hate, but he put his foot in his own mouth with the stuff he has been saying. It is hard to feel too bad for him. Other reports have him as always not that dedicated to OSU per se, he just wanted to start somewhere. I do not blame him for that but he is the one that kept opening his mouth. People can and do respond to that.
 

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northernchild's picture

don’t get the hate;

can’t wait to see tate 

tote the rock and rock the boat.

for best results, read everything i write in italics

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