"Like I said, 4.6 for Dobbins in 2018 is a head-scratcher"
Is it though?
If you laugh, you think, and you cry, that's a full day. That's a heck of a day. You do that seven days a week, you're going to have something special.
Apparently 4.6 is bad.
"You have to play with emotion, you can't let emotion play with you." - Ryan Day
By comparison to past OSU seasons, it is bad. Or at least, exceptionally average.
Sorry Chris, I should have made that a ? Also, refer to my username....
The strict mods around here probably won't let you change it to 4.6ydncloudofdust, if you were thinking of that.
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Funny thought, but nah. HOMAGE.
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4.6 is low but 4.52 is high? We are tough on our favorite team!
I'm gonna make a prediction that he will average over 6 per carry next season. The new line of Munford, Bowen, Myers, Davis, and NPF will be dominant run blockers next year. Add in the running threat that Fields will provide and we will see a massive improvement in the run game.
Take away 1-1.5k passing yards and add them or more to the running game. and that is what we will see next year.
Exactly, Keith, it's more the O line, not so much the quick runner. Dobbins is no Carlos Hyde that can smash thru' tackles.
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We shouldn't have a Natl rank of 79th in any categories. We shouldn't accept that and coach Day isn't keeping friends and family employed.
Things will be much better. I can't wait to watch all of the improvement.
4.6 is what happens when you continue to push a zone-read with a quarterback that was no threat to run.
And your offense goes from a near 50/50 balance to 67% of your yards coming from your passing game and also from 31 pass attempts/42 rushing to 40/40 (based on 2017 to 2018)
No, it is not a head scratcher. It is predictable in fact. Ohio State lined up in option (zone read power spread) and didn’t run the option. Teams noticed and the rushing yards went down every week.
What also became very predictable: averaging 9 penalties per game. (Both sides of the ball).
Stopping themselves, sad to say became the norm, & not the exception.
No wonder shooting our foot was so stink'n expected.
*Day gonna have a major say, no way 9 no-mo.
But, but almost a complete new OL, with new staff positions.
Dobbins 4.6 yards is due to a qb who is never going to run the ball.
It’s that simple
For Ohio State, a top 5 team that is historically known for its running game. Yes it is a head-scratcher. I'm looking forward to seeing an improved running game next year.
I would only assume the reason the 3rd down conversion % was low would be due to the fact most teams never got to 3rd down much cause they were moving down field easily.
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I hear you but don't think it's that simple obviously. The defense wasn't great in a lot of areas but it rank 39th in yards per play and 19th in tackles for loss. Yards per play number isn't fantastic but not horrific by any stretch and the TFLs being top-20 at 6.5 per game suggests plenty of negative plays. Not elite, but not terrible.
The defense faced 205 third downs, that was 27th most in the country, as a whole number. Not trying to defend this defense by any stretch, lol, just sharing some additional context.
Hey Chris, where are you pulling your stats from? I'm showing 5.6 ypp for a ranking of 64th. I'm just curious about how 2 different databases could be so far off.
Perhaps it was the break but don't bend approach ...
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Penalties. The back breaker of any good drive or stop.
Is love to see penalty stats on offense v defense penalties. And further more by position. Because that tells you which coach didn’t do their job in fixing .
Stop down voting the real facts.
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Would like to see the penalties broken down into offensive and defensive see where each unit ranks. It felt like the defense was the majority. Lack of displine was a big red flag early on. Have to clean this up next season can't be giving all those yards away.
There were an enormous amount of PI penalties called on us this year. But also, Isaiah Prince and Malcolm Pridgeon probably led the conference in false starts and holding penalties.
"Because I couldn't go for 3."
Agreed. I also want to see the breakdown by position group and player. I suspect the PIs and false starts are the majority of the flags, with offensive holding not far behind, at least it seems that way. For good stretches of the season, I thought Shugarts was back.
I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.
And pass interference!
Sorry, that's what I meant by PIs. Seeing those broken down would be good too. My suspicion would be Arnette and Sheffield would dominate those stats, right?
Yup, guessing that was in part schiano's style. We have the dudes.
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If Coach Day has the right recipe this year for our defense, we good!
Interesting, but I've said it before and I'll say it again; stats are for the losers.The one loss in each of the last two seasons; where we crapped down our legs to lesser opponents, is the only statistic that really matters.
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The one loss in each of the last two seasons; where we crapped down our legs to lesser opponents, is the only statistic that really matters.
While W/L is the most important stat, it is completely false that it is the only stat that matters. W/L is HEAVILY influenced by ALL of the other stats. There is not a successful coach anywhere in the world, in any sport, that would ignore all of the other stats. They are all part of the solution to improving that most important W/L stat.
I'm a stats guy so I'll disagree with you but I get what you're saying. No matter how bad we are if we beat Purdue we're in the playoffs and I'd put our offense up against anyone.
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I'm not saying stats aren't useful, and of course coaches use them, as they should but THE most important stat is the W&L.
Those poor stats are big part of why there’s that one L.
Wins vs. Losses is of course the ultimate measure, but it is interesting to get a picture as to what was happening.
Put it this way: If Haskins wasn't carrying the team on his back, things could have been a lot worse. The Indiana and Maryland games were too close for comfort. Sure, it's great to put up 62 points on TTUN, but we also let them score 39 points. Unacceptable. We should have blown out Washington in the Rose Bowl, but the offense and defense took a nap in the second half and we only won by 5 points. Again, unacceptable.
I can live with Dobbins getting 4.6 yards a carry. We were trying to run a pro-style offense out of a spread option scheme. That's on the coaches.
I keep hearing the refrain of letting the skunkweasels score 39 points and how bad it is, blah blah blah. Yes, as a fan I never want to see them score any points. However, in the 2nd half we were scoring 1-2 TDs per score they had. At one point it was a 30 point delta - and never closer than 16 after the 3rd.
They were desperate and trying every damn thing to win. However, every time they score, we'd go out and match, then generally top, their score.
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A simplistic approach though. Those stats show how a very talented team can lose head scratchers. Last two years the Buckeyes did a generally good job of covering faults, but when things fell apart, it was very obvious. Penalties, lack of run game, all the bad stats mentioned. And, the "if we'd f won the Purdue/Iowa game" argument belies the underlying weaknesses- see OSU v Clemson, 31-0. And no matter how good Haskins was, he had tough games vs lesser defenses due to lack of balance, etc...
I'm not sure why there's any head-scratching going on regarding Dobbins drop in YPC ?? Two very important reasons were the change at the QB position (defenders didn't have to focus on the run option with JT Barrett and a running back, so they just defended the back) and our offensive line was dialed into pass blocking, as compared to getting off the ball and moving the line of scrimmage (in short, they were a very average run blocking line - did they ever miss hard-nosed Billy Price at center !!) ...
No mystery or head scratching - there's a reason for everything (or in this case, two reasons) ....
It was head-scratching to me in that, while I agree with everything you noted, Weber still managed 5.5 ypc under those same realities. And last year, it was reversed in that it was Dobbins who averaged basically a yard more per carry than Weber (7.2 to 6.2).
Dobbins is better in space. Weber is better at making his own space. I think Weber has always been the better short yardage back.
Probably unpopular but I see him more as an H. More like Curtis Samuel was utilized. Realizing we’re stocked at WR. Just saying. Either way, great young man. Could use more like him.
I always thought Weber was the better back in general.
I hear you, Chris, but one thing I did notice was a change in some of the things Dobbins did to his running style .... for a few games, he implemented a sort of double pump with his feet (a la Fred Flintstone) which gave him the illusion of kicking it into another gear (pure illusion). I also saw him start to back into holes, where he used to run through with reckless abandon. Weber, didn't change his style of running and as a result, was able to make more out of each carry.
Not sure what prompted the change in Dobbins running style, but it was definitely there, as he wasn't breaking nearly as many tackles as he had last year. We'll see what happens, now that he's the featured back in the offense. If Fields is behind center (or Tate for that matter), I think the mobile QB opens it up for Dobbins more and he'll have a good season heading into his draft year ......
Chris...what do you think of this thought? Because the short-crossing routes were used so much AS the run game, defenses were able to align to stop the run and that crossing route approach didn’t really move the D enough to create numbers or angle advantages in the run game. Put that with an OL that was SO DAMN TALL that the pad level was high (low man wins) you get an average to low average run game.
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Hmm...I honestly didn’t expect to read about herpes in the context of OSU’s running game, but if the shoe fits...
Well okay then lol
Can’t believe this “stat” didn’t make it into the article...
I pondered Dobbins' struggles the other day and Thinking back to the season, They tried to run him up the middle a lot, and that just never seemed to work for him, at least not as well as it did for Weber. I haven't gone and rewatched a lot of the games, so I could be wrong, I just don't recall a lot of instances they tried to get him to the edge.
I knew we were bad with penalties but not that bad! I wonder how many were P.I.
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Dobbins isn’t Zeke, or even Carlos Hyde in my opinion, but his YPC should go above 6.0 this year with Fields at quarterback. This is also assuming the offensive line will be tailored much more to being able to run the ball, with a couple of natural interior linemen in Myers and Davis.
This is definitely where I parked my car.
That’s a good way of putting it, Cooper. I’m just not that high on Dobbins, personally. I think he’s decent but I’d really like to see Teague step up the running game this coming year.
I would have never guessed that the defense did so well on third down.
Yeah, the Dobbins YPC stands out...not in a good way. Which also speaks to the standard at Ohio State - 4.6 is a decent average, but a clear drop off from last season for him.
I just don't think he found rhythm, whether rotating more with Weber and/or with the offensive line.
Hoping he returns to form next season.
To me, Dobbins lost a litte of that “Zeke” attack on the ground. Just savagely sprinting through whichever hole is available. Finishing every rush attempt brutally. Weber seemed to have it. Running with abandon. I don’t know what it is, but he needs to find it. Just savage.
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Agreed. I know the line didn’t play well but Dobbins didn’t impress much either.
I remember few times this past season we had few 4th and short downs and the OL was getting pushed back and we didn't convert. I believe we're not as physical as years before , maybe it's because we're passing more and running less in this offense.
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Take the defense giving up huge plays and the season turns out a lot different I think.
the penalties getting worse year after year since 2013 was enlightening to see. It certainly felt like our team has gotten sloppier over the years, but this proves it out. Urbans teams play a lot more aggressive than most, but it still took me some getting used to, coming away from Tress
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The penalties killed me a thousand times this year... if they can just eliminate 1/2 of those - imagine the difference that makes!
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Hmmm, let's see:
8.3 penalties/game * 14 games = 116 penalties.
1,000 deaths / 116 penalties = 8.6 deaths per penalty.
Here's to the death of half this year's penalties...next season.
HAHAHAHAHA... thanks for the morning chuckle!
One thing I noticed about Dobbins, even last year when he was averaging 7+ per carry - he occasionally made the wrong read or cut. He would make a spectacular jump move on one play and fake everyone out, and the next play he'd have open field to the right and he'd go left - right into traffic.
This year, the holes just weren't there for either and it showed more for Dobbins than it did for Weber. Weber never seemed like a guy who was going to fake you out of your shoes, but he rarely picked the wrong hole or made the wrong cut. That was one of the things I noticed with Zeke early on - the guy practically never chose wrong when cutting or faking-same with Carlos Hyde.
The new defensive staff gives me hope but they really can't do any worse than this years did.
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Some interesting stats here to think about -- thanks for sharing them. I will say this.....if we were looking at these completely blinded as to the team, we might be shocked to know some of these came from an Urban Meyer coached team and program.
Weber tended to bounce outside more than Dobbins this year and had the speed to pull it off most of the time. Occasionally he would lose more yards than it seemed Dobbins lost in negative plays. With the lack of push and gaps created, the 'hit and bounce' style seemed to work better.
It might be that I'm a little young for it, but it just hit me that the article title is a play on the Pink Floyd song.
statistics shmatistics ..the only one that counted was ....PURDUE !!!!
“...rush defense giving up 4.52 yards per carry.”
Best bet for nest year? That stat will be MUCH better! The 2 yokels responsible for that embarrassment, Schiano and Davis, are no longer in Columbus.
So even with these less than stellar stats, the Buckeyes were still 13-1. With expected improvement next season, there is much more success in the future.
I think this is a testament to how much Haskins put the team on his back. If we had an average D we could have won the national championship.
I have a few takeaways from these stats.
1. The defense can almost assuredly only go up from here (dear God I hope I'm not wrong) considering the level of talent.
2. The O line was pretty good at pass protection but was pretty mediocre at run blocking. Hoping that gets fixed this upcoming off-season.
3. While there were definitely too many penalties (particularly false starts), I have to say after watching every single game this year it felt like we had more phantom calls go against us than I've ever seen before. Thankfully it never cost us a game, but in the *ichigan game for example, without some INCREDIBLY suspect PI calls against us, we win that game by 40+. It just felt like the refs we're out there trying to "level the playing field" so to speak. Maybe it's just me being a homer? *Shrug.
4. Damn I'm glad I'm a Buckeye and not a filthy skunkweasel. Imagine what a similar article on their forums would be like?
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Stop the fucking pass interference penalties and false starts on critical plays. Can you spell Prince?
There are four additional specific statistical aspects of the 2018 season that also stand out:
1. On a team that ranked 2nd in the nation in Total Offense, the Buckeyes were only 63rd in the nation in Rushing Offense, gaining only 171.3 yards per game.
2. The Buckeyes were 120th in the nation in giving up Opponent Long Scrimmage Plays, 213 plays of 10 yards or more over 14 games (15.2 such plays per game), 118th in the nation on plays of 30+ yards, and 113th in the nation on plays of 50+ yards.
3. Red Zone Offense was 115th in the nation, with a 77.1% scoring average.
4. Red Zone Defense was 113th in the nation, allowing a 90.5% scoring average.
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Both D stats will improve dramatically next year... if the new adult supervision on the D side of the balls proves effective at all. BAsed on production (or lack of it on D) these coaches should never be employed at tOSU again. Much as I admire Urban Meyer, hiring his friends worked against him (and the Buckeyes.)
Semperfibuck, you make an interesting point. While next year's team will be different, and looking at last year's stats, in that respect, isn't looking forward, it helps, at the end of the year, to review the previous year's results and look for areas for improvement . . . particularly if there are longer term trends. A good example of this is the Buckeye's poor showing with penalties last year, which is a trend that has existed for a few years now. This should be an area of emphasis for next year's team, greatly reducing the number of penalties. Look forward, but use the past as a guide.
I would love to see the average with those 8 fifty plus yard gains removed.