Can I get some more professional opinions on Romero's performance so far? I was under the impression that he was ranked high enough to come in and dominate. Seems fairly pedestrian so far.
He’s a four-time Ohio high school state champ. He’s no slouch in that regard. BUT, Tom Ryan said last week that Romero was used to running over guys in high school, and now he’s in a place where you can’t just run guys over, because they’re D1 athletes, too.
It’s been a disappointing start for him, no question.
It is still early for Romero, but if he doesnt jump a level he will get passed next year with the incoming class. There are some guys that are top guys coming in.
Man it's been a 2 team battle between PSU and OSU and most others looking up. PSU scores crazy bonus points and we do at times, but not at the rate PSU does.. if we can win the close matches maybe we get an edge over them come tourney time. Go Bucks!
This is exactly what Coach Ryan is referring to when he speaks on strong for 3 periods in my opinion. PSU rarely doesnt finish off individuals and teams when they have the chance.
PSU bonuses people because they know how to get guys to their backs, even in the NCAA tourney. I’ve contended that PSU understands how to “mat” wrestle, while we struggle to score unless we do so from our feet. Also, watching some of our guys over the years struggle to get out of the bottom position, or hold top, even our better wrestlers. It’s been the difference. While there is a gap between PSU/OSU and the rest of the field, to the watchful eye there is also that gap between PSU and OSU. Ryan has done one hell of a job with this program and if there is anyone that can take it the next step, it’s him.
We've talked about this before, and you make a great point about one of the key differences between Penn State and literally everyone else: They are always working to finish the match early. No team in the history of the sport pins as frequently, as consistently as Cael Sanderson's Penn State team.
I asked Tom Ryan after last year's tournament about the criticism of his team being "a great freestyle team that doesn't like folkstyle that much," and he agreed it was a fair criticism, at least of last year's squad. Guys like Kyle Snyder clearly had no interest in riding guys out or starting on bottom, because in his case he knew he could take you down 10 times a match. Unfortunately for the Buckeyes, there is only one Kyle Snyder (although Myles Martin - and to a lesser extent Kollin Moore - has the ability to take opponents down seemingly at will).
Micah Jordan admits that bottom is his weakest position, and that's something he's worked on quite a bit. But you still see the tendency from this team to opt for neutral - see as an example last week's Kaleb Romero match were an Iowa-coached wrestler would have taken down and gotten the escape point 10 times out of 10, where Romero opted for a neutral start thinking he would get the go-ahead takedown in the final period. Instead, the match went to sudden victory and Romero lost.
For Ohio State big picture, this question is a dual-edged sword. On the one hand, this program is known as home to some of the best freestyle wrestlers in the world, and if you look at the biggest recruits of recent years, most of the top commits have serious freestyle credentials when they get to Columbus, or they have serious freestyle aspirations. But the flipside of fostering this well-earned reputation as a place serious freestyle wrestlers come to train, is that you may have to live with a skill (or at least desire) gap when it comes to folkstyle mat skills.
Great info, Andy. Funny thing is, I am a very untrained eye, and this is still easy for me to see. I’m sure this is a lot of what they work on in practice and in the offseason. Tom Ryan is a winner, and he seems very real on knowing where we fall short.
My buddy use to wrestle for the hoosiers - he's no longer talking with me.
Thanks Andy for the write up
Having this many pins is very unusual at this level.
Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!
It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
Thanks for the explanation on Heinselman and the redshirt. Didn’t know the 16 matches were all open tournament. We need every firing piston.
Andy, is this more style with Hayes, or the fact that he is up a weight class facing heavier guys?
I think it's mostly the latter, honestly. Consider this from a year ago:
The nation's tech fall leaders. pic.twitter.com/qWxFYfyEWs
— NCAA Wrestling (@ncaawrestling) January 24, 2018
So at 149, he was one of the Top 10 in the county - across weight classes - in tech falls. At 157, he's already had four tech falls and three major decisions to his credit, though those techs were all against unranked guys.
His three losses, for what it's worth, have come in relatively low-scoring decisions: 2-1 to Eric Barone of at the Cliff Keen; 7-5 to then-No. 4 Tyler Berger of Nebraska, also at the Cliff Keen; and most recently the 7-2 loss to NCAA runner-up and then-No. 5 Hayden Hidlay last week vs. NC State, his most "lopsided" loss of the year.
So I think I'm not really worried about Hayes - he's a really good wrestler who had an obscenely difficult draw at last year's tournament facing Retherford and Sorensen in back-to-back matches. He needs to keep his confidence, put another win in the books tomorrow, and keep working on keeping his attack rate high enough not to get caught late in the match.
Good point on the Retherford/Sorensen draw, especially since neither is there this year. Pletcher, McKenna, Jordan, Martin, and Moore can go deep. We will need points from the other 5 spots, and it would be great for 1-2 of them to make a deeper run for us to have any shot at all.
Buckeyes weren't messing around, wow.
I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...
Kaleb Romero belongs to 174 more. 165 is costing him the strength and stamina. I can see the difference with him in these weights. He may have to move up and fight with Ethan Smith and Te'Shan Campbell or stay put and try his luck next year at 174 with Rocky Jordan, Ethan Smith, and possible incoming freshman Carson Kharchla. Tough situation for Kaleb now. Or Kaleb has to take up heavy cardio work to improve stamina while keeping the weight to 165.
Thanks again Andy - any chance you can post some addition falls from last nights blowout?
Ohio State has posted some of the BTN clips on their recap here.
Thanks Andy - I watched most of them on Youtube - pretty cool how it was loaded so quickly.
In more than one match it appeared that the Indiana wrestler simply gave up -- possibly to avoid getting injured, from being tired, or just demoralized.